Germans to release Baader-Meinhof leader with five life sentences
posted at 12:15 pm on November 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
The German government claim that they can’t find a good reason to keep Christian Klar behind bars, so they plan to parole him. Klar led the Red Army Faction, otherwise known as the Baader-Meinhof terrorist group, a radical Marxist militant gang that killed at least 30 people during its period of terror. Klar follows his comrade-in-arms Brigitte Mohnhaupt, who also got paroled 21 months ago:
A German court has approved the release from jail of a leader of a radical leftist group involved in high-profile killings in the 1970s and 1980s.
Red Army Faction leader Christian Klar, aged 56, is serving five life terms but will have served the minimum required 26 years by January.
The court in Stuttgart said there were no grounds to keep him in custody.
No grounds, eh? How about the fact that Klar has served less than a year in prison for every person his group murdered? In 1982, Klar was found personally guilty for nine murders and 11 attempted murders. That gives him less than three years each for just the murders, with the attempts ignored altogether.
When people say they mistrust a law-enforcement approach to terrorism, this is exactly what they mean. Terrorists of any political stripe represent more than just murderers. They attack the foundations of democracy itself by attempting to impose policy on the vast majority of citizens who reject it. They use murder as an end to political means, which attempts to both kill human life and the democratic community as a whole.
I’d normally say that this makes them more dangerous than ordinary murderers, but Klar actually qualifies as something more than that as well. His nine murders make him a serial killer, and the multiple homicides make Baader-Meinhof a mass-murdering group as well. Would Germany release a known serial killer on parole? Just on that basis, how can they justify releasing Klar?
Oh, but don’t worry, Germans. The court has imposed five years of parole as a condition of his release. I’m sure the families of his 30+ victims will feel so much better.










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Good Lord…this is where we are heading?
right2bright on November 24, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Any word of him going on a book tour with William Ayers?
I’m fairly agnostic on the death penalty, but people like this deserve the harshest punishment.
rbj on November 24, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Stories like this are just depressing.
BadgerHawk on November 24, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Looks like Hans Gruber finally won.
MadisonConservative on November 24, 2008 at 12:21 PM
But Ed, Komrade Klar was simply killing capitalist pig-dogs, who are simply borgeoise scum. He has commited no actual crime.
~Kommisar Karl
If Klar gets sent back, expect him to get the Mumia Abu-Jamal treatment.
Is there ever a reason not to assume “Radical Marxist” and “Terrorist” aren’t simply synonyms. See: William Ayers.
BKennedy on November 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM
So that’s what Alan Colmes looks like without glasses.
CurtZHP on November 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Wow. That’s really frakked up. These terrorists should never get the chance to breathe fresh air ever again. Shame on the German government.
Anna on November 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM
BLACK IS WHITE AND UP IS DOWN. THE GATES OF CHOAS HAS BEEN UNLEASHED AND WE ARE ONLY NOW STARTING TO UNDERSTAND.
unseen on November 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM
The war is over, the Marxist win.
Gwillie on November 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Mass murdering pays!
And in Germany, no less!
Shy Guy on November 24, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Makes no sense at all. Shame on Germany.
SoulGlo on November 24, 2008 at 12:23 PM
This is sort of Kafka’s The Trial in reverse.
Government goes around freeing guilty people for no apparent reason, causing anxiety and despair among the people.
jeff_from_mpls on November 24, 2008 at 12:23 PM
A problem with a solution. It falls to the family of the victims. Same will apply here when the time comes. Not to worry :)
JiangxiDad on November 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM
…..but don’t go committing a hate crime or you’ll get the book thrown at you.
mylegsareswollen on November 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Now that was funny!
thomasaur on November 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM
If you want to see America after four years of Obama in the Presidency, look no further than Europe.
We are so screwed, my anger at those who foisted McCain on the GOP can’t even be expressed. This is a Profiles in Courage era and America is sadly wanting of leadership. It is time for Americans to abandon the idea that government is the way forward and find ways to work around the initiatives coming out of the corrupt political class.
highhopes on November 24, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Why is this any different when the Clintons pardoned the FLAN terrorists. I mean it was to get her votes in NY, but since when is it a shock that democrats like domestic terrorists.
MDWNJ on November 24, 2008 at 12:25 PM
What sort of gun laws do they have in Germany? Perhaps civilian justice will be exercised?
cannonball on November 24, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Well, he will have served the bare minimum sentence, which is something…
Vashta.Nerada on November 24, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Irrelevant. If you want a gun, you can always get one.
Kristopher on November 24, 2008 at 12:27 PM
By that definition, those homosexual protesters are terrorists.
highhopes on November 24, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Yes, and?
jeff_from_mpls on November 24, 2008 at 12:28 PM
look close folks… Europe leads your path to destiny… we are slowly becoming these imbeciles…
Kaptain Amerika on November 24, 2008 at 12:28 PM
And a mullet. :-)
cannonball on November 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM
He should hang from the neck until dead.
Behold, where “life without parole” will be in 5 years…..
Techie on November 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM
I suspect they would let a regular serial killer loose. The Europeans don’t have a serious criminal justice system.
But you’re right–This is exactly why you do not use the criminal justice system for terrorism. Half the time you are graymailed out of your conviction and the other half of the time, you get your conviction but the perps go free after a few years.
The touch I like the best is how Hinckley (who tried to assassinate Reagan) gets weekend visitation rights and Sirhan Sirhan (who did assassinate RFK) is still locked in a hole. Jihadi rebels get the best defense team money can buy and five or six Supreme Court rulings. The Waco guys got fried up like crispy critters by Janet Reno.
Outlander on November 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Ah, come on people! Klar is just a 21st century Papillon! Maybe Cruise can play him in the movie.
Limerick on November 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM
YES right2bright it’s exactly where we are heading as soon as we turn to the UN to guide us in dealing with people who just had a lasp in judgement.
budaside on November 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM
What sort of gun laws do they have in Germany?
lots of gun laws… that’s what kind
Kaptain Amerika on November 24, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Let’s get this baboon, Ayers, Dohrn and Marc Rich all together and start a rock group.
whitetop on November 24, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Will the German government be giving him financial retributions for his incarceration? After all, they denied him 26 years of being able to go out and pursue his career of being the most successful serial killer ever!!!!
DL13 on November 24, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Hey now. Skeletor is many things, but a serial killer he is not.
Outlander on November 24, 2008 at 12:32 PM
what are you trying to say? that our government murdered the Wacko Crew? (misspelling intended.)
Kaptain Amerika on November 24, 2008 at 12:33 PM
The maddening thing is that leftists continue to talk in terms of peace, and justice.
They have stolen our Judeo-Christian values, mutilated them beyond recognition, and are now using them against us.
jeff_from_mpls on November 24, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Who cuts his hair? Now they should be executed
Bevan on November 24, 2008 at 12:37 PM
I think it all depends on what side of the political spectrum your terrorism supports. Waco, McVeigh, Ruby Ridge, look what happens. But if your terrorism is on the left end of the political spectrum, you get to be a professor , and get speaking tours. Well except for the Una-bomber, but then again, who likes a hermit. Me personally, dont care what side of the spectrum your terrorism is, you should never see the light of day again.
MDWNJ on November 24, 2008 at 12:38 PM
And now Ed, shall we revisit your opposition to the death penalty?
Amendment X on November 24, 2008 at 12:38 PM
yes they did.
right4life on November 24, 2008 at 12:44 PM
German justice was less forgiving to other members of the RAF.
Andreas Baader, for example, shot himself to death in prison with a gun smuggled into his cell. Just so you are clear about what happened, the guy, who was left-handed, held the gun in his right hand and then shot himself in the back of the neck, so that the bullet exited through his forehead.
Just another useless factoid.
factoid on November 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Yippy Kai Yah, Mother F…..
Or is it Hans declared himself a Bank, and got a Bailout?
Romeo13 on November 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM
What is wrong with you Ed? Don’t you remember that the Messiah visited Germany and healed the entire country with one speech?
csdeven on November 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Actualy knowing someone who was onsite at that debacle?
There are still many many unanswered questions.
Romeo13 on November 24, 2008 at 12:47 PM
As opposed to the US? Where Marxist terrorists get to teach at prominent universities, appear on Good Morning America, and get to be “neighbors” with Presidents?
rvastar on November 24, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Give him a couple years, he’ll get tenure at a major German university.
I wish I were being sarcastic, really I do.
hippie_chucker on November 24, 2008 at 12:47 PM
A kinder, gentler Germany?
To paraphrase Everett (O’Brother where art thou?) “The government of Germany may have forgiven you – but God still wants to have a talk with you!”
kybowexar on November 24, 2008 at 12:50 PM
With the lax immigration rules imposing a common standard on the EU nations, I guess this means that Mr. Klar can take up residence anywhere in the EU. Maybe he’ll decide Germany’s too cold and decide to move to Italy.
This is just a pathetic case. So much for German justice. No death penalty and even a life sentence doesn’t mean much in the big scheme of things.
Jill1066 on November 24, 2008 at 12:50 PM
What kind of a legal system requires “grounds” when he was duly convicted and sentenced?
Sentencing isn’t enough of a reason to keep him in prison? If not, why was it even reason enough to put him in prison to begin with?
Insane.
redshirt on November 24, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Hey, Germans are kinda that “live and let live” sort of people anyway…
/sarc
Wyznowski on November 24, 2008 at 12:51 PM
One part hand basket. Two parts hell.
bryanmyrick on November 24, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Just about spewed Dr. Pepper all over my monitor.
Dang – that was some serious snark! Hilarious.
kybowexar on November 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM
The average life sentence in Germany is somewhere between 17 and 20 years long.
Just another useless factoid.
factoid on November 24, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Actualy knowing someone who was onsite at that debacle?
There are still many many unanswered questions.
Romeo13 on November 24, 2008 at 12:47 PM
That is true! There are many questions not answered! Why wasn’t Reno put on trial? She was wrong in the way she handled this. Was a witch hunt. Waco was a strange cult, but that does not excuse murder. That is what our Government gets by with! Oh, but Ayers, his fruit cake wife, and other radicals are let to wonder around our Country guilt free. Germany has this odd way of letting things get blown over their shoulders. The One did a speech there. Doesn’t that bother some? Sure did me. Now a killer is to walk free. Maybe someone will wait in the wings and put that miserable bas@ard out of his misery.
sheebe on November 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM
as long as whatever nutcase in discussion believes in Jesus it’s all groovy huh? even if said nutcase believes he actually is Jesus.
don’t tell me… you supported Ron Paul for PoTUSA too huh?
Kaptain Amerika on November 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM
you must be in a great deal of pain, such stupidity has to hurt. moron.
right4life on November 24, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Lucky for Klar he wasn’t Jewish.
Cicero43 on November 24, 2008 at 1:03 PM
The US has 5% of the world’s population and 25% of the worlds prison population. From our perspective most other countries are soft on crime.
Incidentally, the US murder rate is about four times as high as the German murder rate.
factoid on November 24, 2008 at 1:03 PM
If Klar had been homeschooling, he would have never got out.
Maxx on November 24, 2008 at 1:05 PM
This IS the land of Hitler.
Bishop on November 24, 2008 at 1:05 PM
what are you trying to say? that our government murdered the Wacko Crew?
That’s one way to look at it. I would say that the government, starting with the BATF crew, took a agressive and confrontational posture that wasn’t particularly necessary.
Well, until BATF tried to shoot up the place.
I R A Darth Aggie on November 24, 2008 at 1:05 PM
The US has 5% of the world’s population and 25% of the worlds prison population.
Skewed by nations which actually execute those criminals they have deemed guilty enough to receive such punishment.
Bishop on November 24, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Hey factard, the US has 5% of the world’s population, and yet gives over 50% of foreign aid to help lawless countries quell their internal chaos.
Get it?
jeff_from_mpls on November 24, 2008 at 1:10 PM
The movie The Baadfer-Meinhoff Complex just came out last week.
Now they’re letting this guy go.
???
aengus on November 24, 2008 at 1:10 PM
yeah if he was a muslim terrorist they’d…they’d…..have let him go much much sooner!!
right4life on November 24, 2008 at 1:12 PM
You’re right. We should decrease the bureaucratic red tape on the death penalty. That’ll solve our prison overpopulation problem. I assume that you are a liberal, so I imagine you have no problem in culling the population of its most unwanted members.
Incidentelly, the strict gun control laws in Germany have not managed to stop gun-related murders.
BKennedy on November 24, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Germany also leads the world in people voluntarily submitting to being cannibilized.
How about that factoid?
redshirt on November 24, 2008 at 1:19 PM
If I shot and killed this guy (which I would have absolutely no trouble doing whatsoever), I might get the death penalty. How f’d up is that?
bilups on November 24, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Okay, this is off-topic to the thread, but it has already been ventured.
Waco was mishandled from the get-go. Why a simple perimeter was not established and wait – I don’t know.
Murder? Through incompetence? Okay, I’ll go along with that one. However, there is not evidence of a systematic decision to murder those people. Especially with children inside the compound.
Stupid decisions resulting in loss of life – you have a case. You can leave murder out of the discussion though – unless you have actual evidence. Not conjecture and feelings.
Don’t get me wrong – I am no fan of Reno or the other clowns that made that a total fiasco.
kybowexar on November 24, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Behold the face of “international” justice. If we ever join the ICC, American soldiers will get longer sentences for what ever trumped-up crimes, “hate” or otherwise, the tranzi’s can think up.
docob on November 24, 2008 at 1:20 PM
We’re there.
We got there when our very own President (Jimmy Carter) interfered enough so that William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn would never see the inside of a prison.
How do you think we got President Elect Obama and all the screw ball Socialist programs that Americans voted for??
We’re there.
jeffersonschild on November 24, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Don’t act shocked. Germany has never been tough on crime. Kurt Franz, adj. commandant of Treblinka did 18 years. The murderers in the Einsatzgruppen only got a couple of years. When the allies were still in charge, they were sentenced to death. When the krauts took over, nazis and their sympathesizers demanded the death penalty be abolished. Death penalties became life sentences became 10 years or much less. Now, the way it is set up, you could have used a whip to drive a million people into a gas chamber and you can only be charged with aiding and abetting which carries a maximum sentence of 3 years. Life is so fair!
Blake on November 24, 2008 at 1:22 PM
What is it per capita??
jeffersonschild on November 24, 2008 at 1:23 PM
First, I grew up in Germany during that time and the terror created by the BMG was real. In addition they were supported by a significant portion of the far left either ideologically or logistically. If they had been far right terrorists they would never have seen the light of day. But instead the left made excuses along the lines of: “We deplore their actions but agree with their goals”.
Basically that is the same excuses used for Bill Ahyers or any of the other lefty groups from the 60’s that used violence as a means to accomplish their goals. The same strand of thinking underlies the Pop8 people who are using terror to intimidate those who they do not agree with, or the Earth First crew who spike trees and kill loggers.
We have to stop looking at all far left terrorism as some kind of childish indiscretion that people grow out of and punish the acts.
dpierson on November 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM
What are we whining about? He got 26 years. We didn’t even prosecute Ayers and Dorhn…
Jaibones on November 24, 2008 at 1:27 PM
This is why the death penalty is a good thing.
Wade on November 24, 2008 at 1:29 PM
LOL… you need to look a bit deeper…
Just why would my friend, who at the time was an active duty Green Beret sniper, been on site?
Isn’t it interesting that TWO Border Patrolmen, who shot a known drug runner in the butt as he tried to escape, are in jail…
and yet everyone involved in Waco, got a pass?
Romeo13 on November 24, 2008 at 1:29 PM
No, I don’t get it, sorry.
First of all, the over 50% figure is plainly wrong. The US is in fact the largest donor of foreign aid, but it gives substantially less than 50% of the global total. The actual share is a little less than 25% (which is roughly in line with the fact that the size of the US economy is about 1/4 the size of the global economy).
Secondly, I don’t see what that has to do with our high incarceration rate or the high murder rate.
factoid on November 24, 2008 at 1:30 PM
And on an even more interesting note…
Is this anything like the FALN PARDONS that our future Attorney General were involved in?
Romeo13 on November 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Amen!
The only problem is that most Americans don’t get it…
jeffersonschild on November 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM
The US murder rate is about 43 per million; the German murder rate is about 11 per million. 43 is about four times as much as 11. Does that answer your question?
factoid on November 24, 2008 at 1:34 PM
We depend on the civil authority to punish those who commit crimes so we’d don’t have to. Allowing people like this to go free is basically asking society to revert to a system of personal revenge. And in cases like these, you do hope that someone secretively takes justice into their own hands.
alex342 on November 24, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Also, he looks like Lawrence Gowan. What a loser.
alex342 on November 24, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Good News!: Germans to release Baader-Meinhof leader with five life sentences
Fixed.
hillbillyjim on November 24, 2008 at 1:59 PM
That was my first thought. If it had been a family member of mine, I wouldn’t mind taking the risk to insure justice was served.
4shoes on November 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM
So anybody let the Mossad know?
G-man on November 24, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Yep, the Germans are really a peaceful bunch. Every now and then there’s a spike in murder rates over there, but we’ve stepped in a couple times to lend a hand, so it’s all good.
hippie_chucker on November 24, 2008 at 2:09 PM
whitetop on November 24, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Yeah, a rock group. Lock ‘em up and let them make big rocks into little ones.
kingsjester on November 24, 2008 at 2:18 PM
So what happens if he crosses our borders, (so easy to do) and commits mayhem here? Thanks for a depressing story.
riverrat10k on November 24, 2008 at 2:22 PM
When I was stationed in Germany at a headquarters battery for a HAWK missile group, I was part of a quick reaction force training to move out to protect one of our closest missile batteries against these scum in the even they tried to attack the missile site. From what I learned of them, I’m sorry I never got to throw some 5.56 at the bastards. I will not be sorry if I read about this dungheap meeting the sharp end of a bowie knife. Sometimes rough justice is the only justice we can hope for in this life.
SKYFOX on November 24, 2008 at 2:23 PM
…in the EVENT…
Damn my fat fingers!
SKYFOX on November 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM
so please enlighten me as to what would have happened to all the Wackos at Waco if they had filed out and let the feds do their search? as the law of our land demands. would they have executed them out front? because you seem to think that was the whole plan… the Liberals were executing Christians? they were nuts buying and stock piling illegal guns and planning for this very confrontation, they had shot our brave police officers and got their just rewards. they could have just walked out the front door…
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your Green Beret buddy? are you telling me the feds called up the Army and said send us one of your special forces snipers… because down here in Texas we only have like 10,000 snipers on the police force, and our very own FBI snipers are off working a kitten in a tree… and you know it’s a really hard spot being all of 50 yards from the house, that would be a sniper shot that needs a real special forces expert.
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surely he wasn’t a reserve police officer huh? no… surely not… maybe SRT…
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maybe there is some executive order out there that has Clinton ordering said Green Beret to murder any of those wascally Christians he sees in the windows…
here’s a little quote you might like… call this man a liar.
Kaptain Amerika on November 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM
In Germany you can cook up your boyfriend and eat him for dinner if he says it is ok on a video you make
Imagine Germany without Hitler
entagor on November 24, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Why ruin a perfectly good conspiracy theory with those pesky facts?
hillbillyjim on November 24, 2008 at 2:51 PM
LOL, being retired Military myself, and from the… interesting side of the house at times… I can neither confirm nor deny that I was chased out of a certain African country in the 80s, and you will find any number of high level military officers who will say that we were never there.
You will not find a single military officer who will say that we have boots on the ground in IRAN.
Of course, you would not have found a single military officer who would have said we had boots on the ground in Iraq prior to Desert Storm either.
And for the record, my friend was NOT from Ft. Hood. So unless the General was ONSITE, how would he know? And if he WAS onsite, so he could speak through personal knowledge, does that not proove the military was there?
Romeo13 on November 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Thanks a lot, Entagor. Now I’ll sleep a lot better.
On a pitifully serious note, wasn’t there a big deal (over there across the water)* in Germany some months back about the horrific incorrectness of actual men actually standing erect while actually urinating?
Oh the humanity!
* denotes hillbillyjim must “git his redneck on” somehow.
hillbillyjim on November 24, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Please read his quote closely as well…
Not involved in the planning or execution of the Waco operation…
My friend was NOT in on the planning… and was not in on the Raid (and in fact, his story is they really tried to tell them NOT to do it… but were of course overruled by the Civys, as the whole thing was not under their jurisdiction…). According to him they were there as “Observers”, and “Advisors”, somthing that was the Green Beret mission back then…
Romeo13 on November 24, 2008 at 3:04 PM
From the movie:
Hans Gruber: The following people are to be released from their captors: In Northern Ireland, the seven members of the New Provo Front. In Canada, the five imprisoned leaders of Liberte de Quebec. In Sri Lanka, the nine members of the Asian Dawn movement…
John McClane: [listening on the radio] What the ****?
Karl: [mouthing silently] Asian Dawn?
Hans: [covers the radio] I read about them in Time magazine.
bryan2369 on November 24, 2008 at 3:07 PM
So you’re saying if I line up
1,000,000 people in America,
0,000,043 of them will be murdered at some point.
Yes, truly America is a backwards, violent nation that no reasonable person would want to go to, and we could learn from our European betters.
Exit Question: How many of these murders are caused by loose immigration policy?
BKennedy on November 24, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Well, there is this.
soundingboard on November 24, 2008 at 3:23 PM
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