It begins: Obama aides already sniping at Hillary anonymously; Update: Hillary’s list of demands

posted at 3:47 pm on November 22, 2008 by Allahpundit

We all knew the pick would pay big drama dividends, we just didn’t know it would start paying before she’s even been formally named. Christmas does indeed come early this year.

Doesn’t sound like the sources here are part of The One’s inner circle, but let’s not spoil the unwrapping of our first present with details.

[A] little after lunch on Wednesday two Obama aides went to a local coffee shop to talk. Both were veterans of the campaign, hailed as the best organised and most disciplined in US history, which has made their boss the first black president.

Both had come to believe, in the crucible of the campaign, that Mr Obama’s judgment was superior to their own. But when they met on Wednesday they agreed on one thing: “He’s making a mistake.” As one of the participants told a friend later that night: “She’ll do a good job but she’ll do it for herself, not for Barack. I can’t bear the drama again.”…

The Obama aides who went for coffee on Wednesday discussed how the initial tentative talks between Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton were leaked by the Clinton camp, then how every twist and turn of the financial vetting found its way into the media.

Those in Mrs Clinton’s camp who wanted her to take the job wanted the financial issue off the table believing Mr Obama would find any excuse not to give her the job.

“They can’t help themselves,” the Obama aide told his friend, a fellow Democrat strategist. “Every event is a potential ladder up or a bullet to be dodged. They’re positioning and spinning all the time. They lost. Now we seem to be handing them the farm.”

They’re also under the impression that she’ll be a terrible manager at State. Why? Just because of the endless infighting among her campaign staff that she did little to stop, and the fact that she’s still in debt six months after the primaries ended, and er, her minor strategic error in not preparing a ground game to defeat Obama in the caucus states in case she failed to put him away on Super Tuesday? Oh, and her inexplicable loyalty to tools like Mark Penn and Patti Solis Doyle, who used to spend afternoons watching soap operas instead of managing the campaign? No worries on that last point, if so: She’s already been given the Team Barry seal of approval.

I’m going to stop there before I talk myself out of supporting the pick. Exit question: How seriously should we take the sources’ lament about the Clintons leaking given that they themselves are leaking like a sieve to the Telegraph here?

Update: What Hillary wants, Hillary gets. Except for the presidency, I guess.

Before Hillary Clinton has been formally offered the job as Secretary of State, a purge of Barack Obama’s top foreign policy team has begun.

The advisers who helped trash the former First Lady’s foreign policy credentials on the campaign trail are being brutally shunted aside, as the price of her accepting the job of being the public face of America to the world…

Its turns out that Mrs Clinton’s delay in accepting the president elect’s offer to be his top foreign policy adviser had much to do with her negotiating the terms of the job and insisting on the right to choose her own state department staff and possibly even some of the plumb Ambassador postings. She wanted guarantees of direct access to the president – without having to go through his national security adviser. Above all she did not want to end up like Colin Powell who was completely out-manoeuvred by the hawkish Vice President Dick Cheney who imposed neo-conservative friends like John Bolton on the State Department and steered the US towards a policy of using torture to achieve its aims.

Out: Greg Craig, who savaged Her Majesty in a public memo earlier this year and now lands as White House counsel instead of at State, and possibly Susan Rice, who’s likely to end up in some sort of NSA capacity. Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet that he’s not only willing to risk leaks, backbiting, and drama, but willing to torpedo the ambitions of his closest aides in the process?


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highhopes on November 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM

I agree with a lot of what you said (except about AP)but you are going to have a stroke tonight.

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 8:28 PM

She wanted guarantees of direct access to the president – without having to go through his national security adviser.

And you shall address me as your thighness, Goddess of all that is light and holy unto all. You may kiss my…ring.

Que the flying monkey’s, and your little dog too! Hahahahaha

On 20,Feb.09′ Barack, There coming to take me away, haha hehe hoho.

Speakup on November 22, 2008 at 8:28 PM

I don’t think Biden is going to be let outside, at all. They certainly are not going to let him go anywhere near power toolsDepends.

progressoverpeace on November 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Sorry, couldn’t resist and fast forwarded through comments. Need to go back to read and get up to speed. My bad!

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 8:29 PM

She Bill wanted guarantees of direct access to the president president’s daughters – without having to go through his national security adviser.

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Like I said…..all we have to do is sit back and watch them destroy themselves.

Wonderfully delicious schadenfreude with a big fat cherry on top!

csdeven on November 22, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Moe Lane over at RedState has an interesting piece on how the cabinet is shaping up with Hillary, et al. His take: Not so much a Team of Rivals, more like Rival Teams. Read the whole thing, it could really be an interesting four years.

meltenn on November 22, 2008 at 8:36 PM

mMMMMMMM….more popcorn! (Except our national security is at risk)

SouthernGent on November 22, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Because she’s got somethin’ on him?

misslizzi on November 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM

How about the voter intimidation claims during the primaries? She could probably file a lawsuit at the drop of a hat.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 22, 2008 at 8:39 PM

“Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet that he’s not only willing to risk leaks, backbiting, and drama, but willing to torpedo the ambitions of his closest aides in the process?”

Obama made a deal with the devil, or devils, Bill and Hill. It was no secret the Obamas and Clintons pretty much despised each other. But Obama needed those convention speeches from the Clintons and some important campaign appearances. I bet the Sec of State deal was done in August in Denver or shortly after!

msplitt on November 22, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Because he’s a clueless neophyte stumbling along as he goes. Just wait til he gets his butt in the hot seat; we’re gonna see total meltdown.

Big John on November 22, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Remember those turkeys in the “Sarah hates animals” thread???? Whhhhhrrrrrr.

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 8:41 PM

your thighness
Speakup on November 22, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Oh please, please pick me up off the floor. You made my day!

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 8:43 PM

He [Allah] hates conservatives and those of faith. Ed is only interested in what the Pope says so he isn’t aligned with most of America either. Why isn’t there a real evangelical Christian on the staff instead of a Papist and an agnostic????

highhopes on November 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Talk about identity politics… ouch!

RD on November 22, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Oh please, please pick me up off the floor. You made my day!

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 8:43 PM

That’s a Mark Levin-ism. Sorta like Barack Milhous Obama (seeing as we can’t use his given middle name).

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Recall that the Clintons split power to a degree during their eight years. Hillary had direct control over several cabinet officers and their operations. I don’t know if there has ever been a situation that like before. Don’t know how it would work with a lot of Obamots already hostile to her.

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Is this like McCain aides trash talking Palin except without all the media hype?

I thought so.

This oldie is too good not to post.

Fark Festivities all around!

*some nsfw

locomotivebreath1901 on November 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM

That’s a Mark Levin-ism. Sorta like Barack Milhous Obama (seeing as we can’t use his given middle name).

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Someone needs to hold a nationwide contest to “Give the President a new middle name”. I like Milhous, but we Americans are creative and maybe we could come up with something else.

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 8:50 PM

christene on November 22, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Wow! Oh wow! I hope you’re telling the truth. (Not that I have any reason to doubt you), but that trumps the chills up his legs that Chrissy Matthews feels for the one.
Jeez, Wow!

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 8:51 PM

It was an amazing day, happy tears.

christene on November 22, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Thanks for telling us that story. That was great to hear.

INC on November 22, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Someone needs to hold a nationwide contest to “Give the President a new middle name”. I like Milhous, but we Americans are creative and maybe we could come up with something else.

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 8:50 PM

Problem….. That would be raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacist.

BTW, when does the Hillary/Michelle cage match start? That oughta be a good one.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 22, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Maybe Barack could emulate Pope John Paul I (the 30 day Pope if you recall) and take on the names of predecessors. Maybe Barack Baines Obama. Barack Herbert Walker Obama. Or maybe Barack Billy Blythe Obama (in honor of Bill’s first incarnation).

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 8:57 PM

Above all she did not want to end up like Colin Powell who was completely out-manoeuvred by the hawkish Vice President Dick Cheney

The Gaffenmeister will be secluded. He’s been decojonified on the world stage.

Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet…?

Because he’s cluelessly inexperienced. He outmaneuvered the Clintons in the run but now needs to govern. We’ll get 3-in-1 – Bill, Hillary and Barack.

“Aaaa feeel your pain”
“I am no ways tared”
“Change you can believe in”

Entelechy on November 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM

The NEW face of Obama administration
(=hopenchange circa 2009)

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/bill-and-hillary-clinton-24886.jpg

CREEEEEEPY

macncheez on November 22, 2008 at 8:59 PM

It makes me cringe every time I hear people parrot this line. The BHO campaign only looked organized and disciplined because the MSM refused to allow it to look otherwise. Anyone else would have been taken apart by any of the hundreds of idiotic mistakes and gaffes and history that the BHO campaign was able to skate by on.

Exit question: How many other campaigns had their own supporters in the media call them ‘creepy’ in describing the triumphant acceptance speech?

progressoverpeace on November 22, 2008 at 3:54 PM

What he wrote.

It’s not whining, or sour grapes, or bad sportsmanship – because it’s not about the O campaign so much as the media and how it essentially collapsed this year (on this key topic).

Some friends and I, who have all worked on past presidential campaigns and for many years in DC in various parts of the beast, were/are simply astonished at the “campaign-ending” or even “career-ending” gaffes, associations, and tactical blunders which, taken together, appeared to not have cost him a single vote.

But in a year when Murtha can be re-elected after a performance more outlandish than any parody could be – and this after famously slandering Marines in time of war – perhaps the O campaign success is just more of the same, and we don’t live in a country that (politically) I can recognize any more.

IceCold on November 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Well, if Obama truly believes that the world is not a dangerous place and that Iran is only a tiny little nothing country, why not exile the Clintonistas at State? He can always blame her if the world blows up, or if he’s “tested” in the near future.

PattyJ on November 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Ya’ know what’s totally cool??? Isn’t it interesting that Barack’s complete lack of management experience is coming out??? Any of you managers/execs know what I’m saying. “Isn’t it der-lovely, isn’t it der’lightful…”

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM

…We’ll get 3-in-1 – Bill, Hillary and Barack.

“Aaaa feeel your pain”
“I am no ways tared”
“Change you can believe in”

Entelechy on November 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Seems like the Bolsheviks tried something like that early on. The troika if I recall correctly. Two of the three woke up dead a few months later though.

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 9:03 PM

OT: Obama blasts McCain and Palin

In.Your.Face.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 22, 2008 at 9:03 PM

I always thought Barry must have been loaded to propose to Michelle…. but this? Man.

Chuck Schick on November 22, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet that he’s not only willing to risk leaks, backbiting, and drama, but willing to torpedo the ambitions of his closest aides in the process?

Blackmail comes to mind.
Certainly the Clintons have lots of inside info on Obama and certainly they’ll use it.

Josiah on November 22, 2008 at 9:19 PM

There really has to be something going on with all of this. Bill and Hillary have to have Barry by the gonads somehow. It is just much too strange.

There are lot of other people he could have picked. But Hillary ? I am loving every moment of it. But gee….the more I think about it the less I understand. Yeah The One is inexperienced in everything. But there are so many other people who would have jumped at the job.

And the Clintons WILL attempt to take him out. And he has to know that. So he brings them into the Administration any way hoping he can sweet talk them into play patty cake with him.

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Hillary must have had Sandy Burglar get a quick snapshot of The Ones birth certificate before he got to Hawaii and secured it.
Should something unfortunate like a plane flying into a mountain, a walk in Fort Marcy Park or some such event, at what point would Hillary become POTUS?
After Obama, OBiden, Peloser,…?

dhunter on November 22, 2008 at 9:27 PM

I wonder how soon it will be before Hillary
takes over health care reform,and screws
Hopey over for the credit!

Kinda like she tried to pull, when Clinton took
office,and HilRod started on the health care,
even tho, at that time, Hillary was unelected
and unaccountable!

Fasten yer seatbelts,sumpin tells me, Obama is
in for one h#lluva ride, tee hee!

canopfor on November 22, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Before Hillary Clinton has been formally offered the job as Secretary of State, a purge of Barack Obama’s top foreign policy team has begun.

The advisers who helped trash the former First Lady’s foreign policy credentials on the campaign trail are being brutally shunted aside, as the price of her accepting the job of being the public face of America to the world…

This is terrific…and all before he’s even inaugurated. I think Obama just wants a fall gal. If things get bad, Hillary will take the flak from the MSM, leaving Barack smelling his usual rosy self.

ddrintn on November 22, 2008 at 9:30 PM

There really has to be something going on with all of this. Bill and Hillary have to have Barry by the gonads somehow. It is just much too strange.

JonRoss on November 22, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Not really. BHO is just a moron who has no idea what he’s doing. He aspires to be Stalin (or maybe he loves Lenin, more) but he’s too dumb to pull it off. If he makes it into the White House (the birth certificate and citizenship problems don’t get called by the SCOTUS before Jan) then there will probably be a headless government, run by only those around the fool who can bully him into whatever they want to do. There will be fiefdoms cut out for each of the groups around him, and there will be wholesale abuse of government at all levels, since there will be no one in charge. What we saw with Joe The Plumber in Ohio will be happening everywhere. We will have anarchy run amok inside government. Not very pretty.

The few initiatives that BHO actually takes on his own will be spectacular failures that will embarrass even his enemies, the same way that AL Gore embarrasses me every time he gets up in public and makes a huge fool of himself. It’s just painful to watch incompetence of this magnitude.

The children have been let out of their sand box to play in the US government and we’re all going to suffer.

progressoverpeace on November 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Fasten yer seatbelts,sumpin tells me, Obama is
in for one h#lluva ride, tee hee!

canopfor on November 22, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Do you suppose Oblahblah will seat Hillary next to the Rev. Jerry “Ridin Dirty” Wright at the first official dinner?

This looks like Oblahblah is in charge of the US, while Hillary gets the rest of the world. I wonder if Bill gets ambassador to the UN or head of the IMF as had been touted before.

How soon before Hillary decides on her own foreign policy?

91Veteran on November 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Think of every Clintonite already coming on board.

They have skeletons in their closets.

The Clintons know where those are.

Ahhh… puppet government.

So much for ‘executive experience’ from running a campaign… now he gets it the old fashioned way via the School of Hard Knocks. And Hillary is the School Mistress to do it.

ajacksonian on November 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM

If our national security was not at hazard…

This would be amusing.

Romeo13 on November 22, 2008 at 9:48 PM

…hailed as the best organised and most disciplined in US history,…

Since when? this is just too much to take….
godbama has chose assembled this bunch of yayhoos because he has no idea what the h-e-doublehockeysticks he’s doing… Here’s to change! It’s the ’90′s all over again! Wonder who’s skirt(s) Bill will be chasing while Hillary’s taking care of business?

CynicalOptimist on November 22, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Just a thought…how far down the sucession order is SecState? This choice could end up cutting many heads off the Hydra.

joeinmo on November 22, 2008 at 9:50 PM

It only takes four accidents or one bad plane crash….her highness is number four in succession (spelled it right that time)….hmmmm.

Can’t figure out why the One would do this to himself.

joeinmo on November 22, 2008 at 9:56 PM

I still think that BO and MO wants revenge on Hillary and Bill. I can’t wait. Trust me, there will be trouble ahead among the Dems and Liberals. Hillary will quit the Senate, and then??????? I believe he wants to crush their last days in politics. Could be wrong, but don’t think I am. We will see…………..

sheebe on November 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM

The coyote and jackal face off. It will be interesting to discover which hunter/scavenger will make the most cunning move first.

mindhacker on November 22, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Keep your enemies CLOSE and do not eat lunch with them on 15 March!

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM

…this is a truly suicidal move…it is letting the Clinton contagion in…bad enough that he’s using retread staffers….

…why would she take it?

…well…how’s ’bout so’s she can swan around internationally as the “face of the US”…while ol’ Barak is busy stomping on his pee-pee in the West Wing, ol’ Hill-arious is stomping around State like Godzilla, privy to everything, and accountable for nothing….

…ambition…backbiting…leaks…freaks…Obama’s Secret Service codename: “Vince Foster”….

…Byzantium on the Potomac…with the eunuchs running rampant!

…election night was a drag, but the next few months’re gonna be delicious….

Puritan1648 on November 22, 2008 at 10:21 PM

You have to cut Obama some slack. Don’t you remember how nervous you were when you got your first job?

Anyway, the best part about all this is, the Clintons should have quit with the tattered legacy they had. Until now, they’ve been able to pretend they magically made the economy boom in the 1990s.

This time, their ship sinks with Obama’s, and God is it every gonna sink.

Good times!

jeff_from_mpls on November 22, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Both were veterans of the campaign, hailed as the best organised and most disciplined in US history…

Mostly hailed as such by the media shills who made it possible.

ddrintn on November 22, 2008 at 10:29 PM

sheebe on November 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM

What if she resigns from the senate, is nominated, goes through the confirmation process and THE ONE (oopps)changes his mind because something regarding Bill gets leaked?
I’m just sayin’.
Can you say: Game, Set, Match??

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 10:29 PM

jeff_from_mpls on November 22, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Lovely sir, simply lovely.

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Can you say: Game, Set, Match??

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Then he would alienate the moderate (half brain) Democrats aka PUMAs. It would put a serious dent in 2012 race which has already started.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 22, 2008 at 10:32 PM

I still don’t see why Hillary wants to do this. What is her upside? She could consolidate a power base in the Senate. This is the strangest of days.

karenhasfreedom on November 22, 2008 at 10:43 PM

The prospect of HRC wasting her time trying to broker a peace deal betwen the don’t- ever-want- peace-Palstinians and Israel is almost enough to cheer me up from the McCain-Obama debacle.

Basilsbest on November 22, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Then he would alienate the moderate (half brain) Democrats aka PUMAs. It would put a serious dent in 2012 race which has already started.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 22, 2008 at 10:32 PM

I agree sir, I worked side-by-side with some of those PUMAs, and they gave me great hope in the latter days of the campaign, but I think there were far fewer of those who had the fire in the belly then we–or they–thought, as witnessed by the #s finally posted when votes were counted.
I have a tremenous respect for the PUMAs, but I fear they are not the voting block we hoped they would be,and I think THE ONE knows that.
Jeez, hope (nCHange)I’m wrong. Have been so far.

Chewy the Lab on November 22, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Above all she did not want to end up like Colin Powell who was completely out-manoeuvred by the hawkish Vice President Dick Cheney who imposed neo-conservative friends like John Bolton on the State Department and steered the US towards a policy of using torture to achieve its aims.

When you base your plan of attack on lies…………….

……………. you are doomed to failure.

Seven Percent Solution on November 22, 2008 at 10:54 PM

I still don’t see why Hillary wants to do this. What is her upside? She could consolidate a power base in the Senate. This is the strangest of days.

karenhasfreedom on November 22, 2008 at 10:43 PM

Heh…remember the Beastie Boys?
“So while you sit back and wonder why
I got this f*in’ thorn in my side
Oh my god, it’s a mirage
I’m tellin’ y’all it’s sabotage…”

ddrintn on November 22, 2008 at 10:55 PM

I’m at a loss to explain Allah’s double standard. McCain’s staffers spewed lies and Allah was willing to treat it as truth. He WANTED it to be true she showed up at the door in a towel. In this case he attacks the staffers. Why now and not the bitter liberal McCain drones who had no reason to support the real GOP???

All I’m looking for is truth without agenda. Guess HA isn’t one of those sites so long as people like Allah are involved. He hates conservatives and those of faith. Ed is only interested in what the Pope says so he isn’t aligned with most of America either. Why isn’t there a real evangelical Christian on the staff instead of a Papist and an agnostic????

highhopes on November 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Are you really this stupid or just pretending for our entertainment?

aikidoka on November 22, 2008 at 11:31 PM

So now we know that lack of experience plus a promise of hope and change gives us another Clinton Presidency? Who would have thunk it?

It does make me wonder what they are holding over the Obamas heads.

DannoJyd on November 22, 2008 at 11:31 PM

…hailed as the best organised and most disciplined in US history,…

Is this why the campaign had a smelly airplane, or couldn’t inform it’s press followers of the schedule in advance? I suppose it takes a lot of discipline to not tell the truth about Ayers, Wright, AVS etc and a good bit of organization to push fraud via Acorn and squelch those who do not have discipline or messiah worship keeping them quite.

aikidoka on November 22, 2008 at 11:36 PM

It does make me wonder what they are holding over the Obamas heads.

DannoJyd on November 22, 2008 at 11:31 PM

Probably not much more than the terrifying prospect of actually being responsible for something.

ddrintn on November 23, 2008 at 12:29 AM

Barry Hussein is making literally the same mistakes as Carter, who brought in disloyal New Frontier retreads like Cyrus Vance, people who gave terrible advice and who later did much to undermine the hapless Mr. Peanut. BO has all the makings of a one-termer. I like it.

Travis Bickle on November 23, 2008 at 12:58 AM

Its Machiavelian…

Face it. With Barry as the figurehead, the foreign policy of America will be tested by PutyPutt and others.

Iran WILL get the bomb. North Korea WILL start up again. There will NOT be peace in the Middle East… And once we pull out, Iraq MAY become a mess as there are still three different Racial/tribal sects trying for power there.

Foreign Policy is in a no win situation right now… its just going to depend on WHO TAKES THE BLAME for it… Bambi, or Hillary.

Romeo13 on November 23, 2008 at 1:10 AM

But in a year when Murtha can be re-elected after a performance more outlandish than any parody could be – and this after famously slandering Marines in time of war – perhaps the O campaign success is just more of the same, and we don’t live in a country that (politically) I can recognize any more.

IceCold on November 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Yep. It was really something. I couldn’t believe it, myself. I wrote it off to a mass hysteria, not that that should be any comfort, but it was all I could figure.

progressoverpeace on November 23, 2008 at 1:12 AM

All I’m looking for is truth without agenda. Guess HA isn’t one of those sites so long as people like Allah are involved. He hates conservatives and those of faith. Ed is only interested in what the Pope says so he isn’t aligned with most of America either.

highhopes on November 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Is Ed a Vatican Hero
Or just a wayward monk
Is Allahpundit a fighting Patton or a fiddling Nero
Or maybe they’re both just drunk?
But they sure have spunk!

The vicar says that Ed’s a bishop in disguise
Who gives absolution night and day
Stuff and nonsense, don’t you know
Rumour has it Allahpundit’s a New Yorker
A reckless lawyer
Who carries several whips
A sultan from Wallstreet
with women at his fingertips

Myself, I think that one of them is George the Third
And the other is the Queen of Spain!

PercyB on November 23, 2008 at 1:23 AM

Just wait until Hillary takes Obama on a walking tour of D.C. parks…

Gohawgs on November 23, 2008 at 2:35 AM

Divide and conquer. Works every time.

OldEnglish on November 23, 2008 at 4:22 AM

progressoverpeace:

Yes, I think mass hysteria might well be the cause of the outcome of this election.

I mean, Murtha and Obama and Biden?

A lot of scared people who decided to vote for the folks most likely to extend their unemployment benefits. And don’t forget the whole American Idol quality of the race either. Weird.

As for this move via Hillary, I think she has something on Obama, or he thinks she does. But the whole thing is getting ridiculous. So much for hope and change.

Terrye on November 23, 2008 at 7:35 AM

highhopes:

I always wonder about the whole anonymous source thing. I think a lot of the stuff about Palin might well have not come from McCain people at all, the press might have just made it up to cause trouble. That might be true with this statement as well. As long as reporters can make comments without verifying their sources you have to wonder about the whole point they are making. It might be fiction.

Terrye on November 23, 2008 at 7:37 AM

Ken Timmerman wrote about the saboteurs at State, many of whom were Clinton loyalists and Bush opponents. This shadow government of careerists will be at work again. Whether their loyalties lie with Obama or with Clinton will tell the tale.

onlineanalyst on November 23, 2008 at 7:44 AM

Just a side note on Murtha: After perusing some stacked up newspapers from the pre-election period, especially the weekend before, I noted that there were a number of full-page ads run by the Murtha campaign. These ads made hyperbolic claims on Murtha’s behalf and trashed Bill Russell with innuendo and downright lies.

Murtha’s campaign war chest did not have the money to underwrite these toxic ads. The DNC and moveon.org had the funds to keep Murtha in place and attempt to destroy a sterling opponent to his seat.

Between radio/television ads and newspaper ones, Murtha was able to hoodwink passive or lazy voters who chose the familiar household brand. What a pity for Pennsylvania and the US.

Add to this travesty the fact that Murtha runs in an absurdly gerrymandered district that spans several counties and includes small towns heavily Democrat/Democrat-machine-controlled and union-filled communities, and the fix is in. Nevertheless, Murtha and the DNC had to spend a lot of money to maintain the senile codger’s sinecure.

Truly, there should be a mandatory retirement age for career politicians– perhaps 75. There is no excuse for a Congress filled with the likes of Murtha or Byrd. Others would come to mind if I weren’t so frosted over this stymie.

onlineanalyst on November 23, 2008 at 7:58 AM

Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet that he’s not only willing to risk leaks, backbiting, and drama, but willing to torpedo the ambitions of his closest aides in the process?

Because this is how God proves he still exists. ;-)

Hawkins1701 on November 23, 2008 at 8:08 AM

Probably because she has some dirt on him she has threatened to leak?

Like a copy of his real birth certificate? LOL

skatz51 on November 23, 2008 at 8:42 AM

“Neo”-conservative John Bolton!

It is long past time to quit carrying the burdensome neo-Liberal cross of PC habitual discrimination vs. opponents via the misapplication of identification.

Bolton is a conservative. There is no “neo” AS IF or newly defined exponent about Bolton’s conservatism. Conservatism preserves itself by definition. Conservatism has no “neo” quality, owning a persistent existence of its own conservation intact. And it has remained intact as a cultural element within America without a period of absence. Popularity is NOT a determining factor in the “existence” of conservatism.

The only “neo” attribute is in progressive propaganda, revisionism. One need not accept one’s own definition as attributed by one’s opponent, particularly when the opponent refuses to acknowledge RECORD, as the opponent can only thrive within REVISION.

Indeed, however, there are neo-conservatives who can not stand on a strict Constitutional platform. They require the moralizing progressive adjective “compassionate” and their programs are truly socialist in effect as they, too, dissolve conservatism via REVISION.

Progressive NEO-Liberals have nothing in common with Classical Liberalism. The neo-Liberal lack of tolerance swipes any respect from their midst that Classical Liberals had in moral mediation. Referencing socialists as “liberals” only feeds their cause. The fact that neo-liberals manipulate the demographics to corrupt the Constitutional system is nothing new. That so many endorse corruption is news.

“And to the Republic, for which it stands, One Nation!”

Democracy is only one hand of liberty. Without the rule of law Constitutional Republic BALANCE OF POWERS, democracy equates to mob rule.

Neo-liberals do not tolerate the Constitution. Therein, the revolutionary anarchist problem exists in the Obamanation. Every “liberal” Tom, Dick or Harry takes their ill conceived “moral superiority” to counter Rule of Law as they negotiate REVISIONISM in their own special interest spot in the universe. With all their selfish “good intentions” society at large is no longer unified by the Constitution as “liberals” have dissolved its application in daily life. Government employees use government facilities to hound law abiding civilians. Neo-Liberals do not bring, establish or maintain liberty; only subjugation to authoritarianism, aka Marxism.

Neoliberals via communism/fascism are destroying all of the social advances that The Enlightenment provided these past two centuries.

Quit enabling the abusive untouchables by voluntarily advancing their destructive propaganda; do not use THEIR REVISED VOCABULARY.

“In the beginning was the Word.
And the Word was with God.”

/Sunday School is adjourned.

maverick muse on November 23, 2008 at 9:03 AM

The Clinton’s have a lot of contacts with foreign countries who are willing to spend big bucks to buy technology (China). With Hillary at State that will bring some dollars in that Obama will get a nice chunk of.

SkyWatch on November 23, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet that he’s not only willing to risk leaks, backbiting, and drama, but willing to torpedo the ambitions of his closest aides in the process?

Because, as I have posted time and again, and eventually even the mainstream press will have to report it.
Obama does not have the experience and relationships to build a cabinet.
He has only been around national politics for a few months, before running for the office. And running for the office doesn’t give you a chance to form relationships.
He is like the new kid in school…comes in with a swagger, but doesn’t know the players.
Clinton has a similar problem, only he back filled with Arkansas cronies, and his young, immature friends.
Obama’s circles are very small, his contacts relegated to his neighborhood, and a few senate buddies.
If he gets lucky, he will appoint someone strong along the way and the media will get to use him/her as a center post of great decisions…but so far his choices are weak, and at times strange…and indication of confusing thought and no real direction of policy.

right2bright on November 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM

/Sunday School is adjourned.

maverick muse on November 23, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Heck, that was the first time I’ve been to Sunday School in about fifty years. It was much better than I remembered it to be. I actually enjoyed it.

petefrt on November 23, 2008 at 9:35 AM

Above all she did not want to end up like Colin Powell who was completely out-manoeuvred by the hawkish Vice President Dick Cheney who imposed neo-conservative friends like John Bolton on the State Department and steered the US towards a policy of using torture to achieve its aims.

Do tell. Even if one were to stipulate that, say, water boarding, is torture, what would those “aims” be exactly? Making the eeevil Dick Cheney the King of the World?

And as a previous commenter has noted, John Bolton is not a neo-conservative.

Buy Danish on November 23, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet that he’s not only willing to risk leaks, backbiting, and drama, but willing to torpedo the ambitions of his closest aides in the process?

Don’t look a gift cow in the mouth.

Jim Treacher on November 23, 2008 at 9:59 AM

Above all she did not want to end up like Colin Powell who was completely out-manoeuvred by the hawkish Vice President Dick Cheney who imposed neo-conservative friends like John Bolton on the State Department and steered the US towards a policy of using torture to achieve its aims.

They just can’t help themselves to a gratuitous swipe, can they? Even when he is going out in 2 months, they just can’t find it in themselves to just say it straight, I’m sure they think it’s “just the facts, ma’am.”

JeffWeimer on November 23, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Thank you GOP primary voters – the stupidest people in America – for giving us the doddering old fart McCain which gave us The One.

Hilts on November 23, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet that he’s not only willing to risk leaks, backbiting, and drama, but willing to torpedo the ambitions of his closest aides in the process?

You really don’t understand just how much of a political neophyte the president-select really is, do ya, AP?

SuperCool on November 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Why on earth is Obama so eager to have Hillary in the cabinet that he’s not only willing to risk leaks, backbiting, and drama, but willing to torpedo the ambitions of his closest aides in the process?

Maybe because he doesn’t know what the hell he is doing.

Troy Rasmussen on November 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM

I love it when a plan comes together…Hillary Clinton the Glenn Close of the Obama Administration…I won’t be Ignored! BIG GRIN.

Dr Evil on November 23, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Maybe because he doesn’t know what the hell he is doing.

When you go hunting for a bear, you best be prepared to catch a bear.

drjohn on November 23, 2008 at 11:16 AM

They’re positioning and spinning all the time. They lost. Now we seem to be handing them the farm.”

Barack Obama’s favorite song he stated is Bob Dylan’s Ain’t gonna work on Maggies Farm no more.

http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/maggies-farm

They don’t get who is keeping them on the Plantation- The Democrat Party…or they have surrendered? Barack Obama stylized himself as Hope and Change. This isn’t Change, I don’t see any HOPE aligned with the Democrat Party.

President Lincoln was a Republican! Earth to Obama what Price Glory?

Dr Evil on November 23, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Greg Craig sure went up, not down. White House Counsel… ooooohhhh, tough job. When the (stuff) hits the fan, he’s the go-to guy.

Also could end up on the Supreme Court if, and I hope this does not happen but Obama wins in 2012.

HotAirJosef on November 23, 2008 at 11:24 AM

test – tag may not be closed

HotAirJosef on November 23, 2008 at 11:24 AM

highhopes on November 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM

uh–you’re aware that Papist is considered an anti-Catholic slur, aren’t you?

gippergal1984 on November 23, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Somehow he’s naive enough to think putting her in State will mute her success at a 2012 run… methinks.

redfoxbluestate on November 23, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Obama has to give Hillary her way. She won’t take his 3 AM call if he doesn’t.

kanda on November 23, 2008 at 5:50 PM

He should have used the bucket of water!

davecatbone on November 24, 2008 at 8:30 AM

Could Obama be orchestrating a fall for her?

The Senate could turn on her in the confirmation hearings. She could be hung out to dry.

Amphipolis on November 24, 2008 at 10:23 AM

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