Owning a gun a disqualification in Obama administration

posted at 9:18 am on November 21, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

If a job application included a question about religion, especially for a government position, First Amendment advocates would rightly go ballistic.  The ire of Second Amendment activists is easily understood, then, arising from the questionnaire prospective Obama administration employees must complete.  The 59th question demands to know whether the applicant or anyone in his/her family owns a firearm, a sign of the hostility we expected to see towards gun owners from Barack Obama:

But even some Democrats and transition experts are baffled by the inclusion of the question.

Tucked in at the end of the questionnaire and listed under “Miscellaneous,” it reads: “Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.” …

It’s just one question on a lengthy personnel form — No. 59 on a 63-question list — but the furor over the query is a vivid reminder of the intensity of support for Second Amendment rights and signals the scrutiny Obama is likely to receive from the ever-vigilant gun lobby.

Obama’s transition team declined to go into detail on why they included the question, suggesting only that it was done to ensure potential appointees were in line with gun laws.

Oh, I get it.  Rather than just ask the traditional question about prior convictions, Team Obama wants to proactively ensure that their applicants don’t break laws.  Will we see questions like this?

  • Do you have children?  Please list proof that you haven’t beat or molested them.
  • Do you have pets?  Please list proof that you have them spayed or neutered.
  • Do you have alcoholic beverages in your house?  Please list proof that you’re not an alcoholic.
  • Do you have satellite television service?  Please list proof that you don’t buy pay-per-view porno or professional wrestling.

No, of course not, nor should we … well, perhaps except for the professional wrestling question, but we’ll work on that later.  Team Obama isn’t interested in enforcing gun laws through job applications.  They don’t want gun owners working in the administration, and they’re screening for that right up front.

Gun ownership is a constitutional right.  Employment discrimination on that basis should be illegal.  It certainly should be exposed so that we can get a sense of how the man who will swear to protect and defend the Constitution plans on doing either for the entire Constitution.

Will a religious test come next in the Obama vetting process?


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…on the one hand, you have the smarmy, self-fascinated folks who favor Obama, who think themselves smarter than the rest of the supposedly unwashed and evidently under-informed and barely-educated masses….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Again, the typical abusive response without a hint of thought or analytical reasoning. I am sure in those days, you would have referred to the creators of the Constitution (which you so zealously want to defend now) as the “socialists” from the North.

I have stressed before, and I will stress again, the only thing that I find frightening is conscientous stupidity. And it is the abundance of this attribute in folks like you, I find inexcusable.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 1:51 PM

“Please explain to me how Obama’s alarming fear of guns and gun ownership is any different than the paranoid fear of most “conservative” Republicans regarding “illicit” drugs. NEWSFLASH: There is no difference”

Hum, lets see.

Guns are legal and protected by the 2nd amendment.

“illicit” drugs are, by definition, ILLEGAL.

Ya think? Or are you stoned again?

illicit
  adjective
Not legally permitted or authorized; unlicensed; unlawful

Disapproved of or not permitted for moral or ethical reasons

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illicit

Now, considering VP Joe Biden brags about HIS Beretta’s

(why am I not surprised Biden buy’s guns NOT made in America by American’s)

I suspect the validity of this report.

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Owning a gun a disqualification in Obama administration…

Apparently, so is a brain and any amount of patriotism.

Cold. Dead. Hands. M’effer!

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM

…you’re leading us into a discussion of “weapon of mass destruction”…that for another day….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Ha!! so they were searching for their wives birthdays in Iraq?
And the wives response was “We have no more birthdays”, hence the “no weapons of mass destruction”.
It all makes sense now.

right2bright on November 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Sounds like questions typically asked by Mugabe, Ahmadinajhad or Chavez staff members.

Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep, it starts when your always afraid, step out of line and the man comes and takes you away.
Buffalo Springfield.

Speakup on November 21, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Creepy….

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:04 PM

I have stressed before, and I will stress again, the only thing that I find frightening is conscientous stupidity. And it is the abundance of this attribute in folks like you, I find inexcusable.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Then this stuff must scare the hell out of you…

Mini14 on November 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM

I feel like we all missed an “The Onion” tag-this is so surreal that it sounds like a parody, or some Ron Paullite
expressing paranoia about Obama. If this is real…wow.
Are you sure this isn’t a red herring, giving us something to protest while they slide something more horrendous through?

Doug on November 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM

The president-elect certainly has the right to hire the type of persons he wants. However, it’s odd to read that there are some who have no suspicions about his motives (especially with regard to anything involving the “fundamentally flawed” Constitution). After all, this man’s campaign took money from fictitious and foreign donors–both illegal of course. Now where I come from those things are called theft and fraud but when these “aberrations” were pointed out to him, he shrugged them off.

Why would we trust such a person?

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I sure hope this guy doesn’t decide to jack with me and my guns.

That would be a serious problem down here in Texas.

saiga on November 21, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I don’t own any guns *cough*, no, really!

44Magnum on November 21, 2008 at 2:14 PM

What kind of gun owner would even want to work for Obama?

And what do you mean by registration of a gun?

In Tennessee, we register criminals – not guns.

He’s worse than we thought he would be.

molonlabe28 on November 21, 2008 at 2:21 PM

“So let’s say he was supporting a right to ownership of a gun bill, and his chief spokesperson is stumping for it.”

The 2nd amendment already exists, you already HAVE a right to own guns, there would be no need to “stump for it” therefore nothing to be “embarrassed” about an acknowledgement that someone in his admine owns a gun.

However if he planed on OUTLAWING gun’s then Yes someone in his admin owning a gun could be a problem.

Perhaps this is a trial balloon to see if banning all guns will fly?

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 2:29 PM

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM

We just love it when you talk dirty! :)

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM

mind-set n.
A fixed mental attitude or disposition that predetermines a person’s responses to and interpretations of situations.

An inclination or a habit.

One out of 61 doesn’t evidence an inclination, habit or disposition. It takes multiple evidence points.

jim m on November 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Then, I’m disqualified to work for the incoming administration, and always will be.

Schadenfreude on November 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Please listen to Dr. Suzanna Gracia-Hupp!!!

Her insight on gun control is a MUST LISTEN!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p

rightwingmom on November 21, 2008 at 2:33 PM

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM
We just love it when you talk dirty! :)

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM

*$&@^# Platy! Bee-have.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Correction – Dr. Gratia-Hupp

rightwingmom on November 21, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Then this stuff must scare the hell out of you…

Mini14 on November 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Sure. So would have a similar result with McCain voters, if a similar survey was actually conducted. I have found no reason to believe that conscientous stupidity does not cross across party lines, but I have unfortunately found it more deep-rooted in some of the states in the South. I will be more than happy to see evidence on the contrary.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 2:34 PM

JaHerer22

“I think it’s a dumb question too, but I doubt anyone who states they have .22 in the closet their Dad passed down to them is going to be disqualified.”

So .22 are okay? That’s good to know.
For a second there I thought they might be after my M-16!

5.56 x 45mm NATO, You do know that 5.56 IS .22 cal?

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Perhaps this is a trial balloon to see if banning all guns will fly?

–Do you really think that people who apply for jobs in this administration are a valid cross sample of the US?

jim m on November 21, 2008 at 2:40 PM

Let us look to our first leader.

“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have suffient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any one who might attempt to abuse them,which would include their own government”
— George Washington

angus mcbeemer on November 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Let’s hope the following own a gun:

John Kerry-Too pussified to own a weapon.
Bloated Bill Richardson (governor of the poorest, dumbest state in the nation being possibly tapped for Sec. of Commerce…Paleeeze).
Hillary Clinton-She would have used it already on Bill.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM

I have stressed before, and I will stress again, the only thing that I find frightening is conscientous stupidity. And it is the abundance of this attribute in folks like you, I find inexcusable.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Sure. So would have a similar result with McCain voters, if a similar survey was actually conducted. I have found no reason to believe that conscientous stupidity does not cross across party lines, but I have unfortunately found it more deep-rooted in some of the states in the South. I will be more than happy to see evidence on the contrary.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Do you mean conscientious (meticulous) or conscious (aware)? Your posts don’t make sense.

Y-not on November 21, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Richardson (governor of the poorest, dumbest state in the nation …

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Watch it, girl…my parents live there. They moved there in the late seventies from :::drumroll::: California. :-)

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 2:52 PM

*$&@^# Platy! Bee-have.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Well, since you put it so nicely, . . .

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Richardson (governor of the poorest, dumbest state in the nation …

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Watch it, girl…my parents live there. They moved there in the late seventies from :::drumroll::: California. :-)

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 2:52 PM

I LIVE HERE! That’s why I said it. They were transplants, I am a transplant, we didn’t get called to NM by the idiot beacon that resides between Albuquerque and Sante Fe.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Richardson (governor of the poorest, dumbest state in the nation …

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Watch it, girl…my parents live there. They moved there in the late seventies from :::drumroll::: California. :-)

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Also the state where the guy had to pay child support for a kid that didn’t exist.

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 2:57 PM

*$&@^# Platy! Bee-have.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Well, since you put it so nicely, . . .

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 2:54 PM

:)

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Nannyman to the rescue!

Ronald, King, and Wendy better gird their loins!

Limerick on November 21, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Obama is a fascist. Fascits fear and armed citizenry. Why is this so surprising to anyone?

angryed on November 21, 2008 at 3:03 PM

I LIVE HERE!

Oh well then. LOL

That’s why I said it. They were transplants, I am a transplant, we didn’t get called to NM by the idiot beacon that resides between Albuquerque and Sante Fe.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM

LMAO! My parents are conservatives if that helps.

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Sammypants
“I just read he isn’t going to get rid of don’t ask don’t tell, at least for awhile”

Get ride of it? Naw he’s just going to update it..

Old policy

Don’t ask, Don’t tell

New Obama policy

Don’t ask, Don’t tell, Don’t accessorize

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Listen to Dr. Gratia-Hupp!

Approx. 17 years ago she addressed the same liberal idiots in Congress who still support gun control.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p

rightwingmom on November 21, 2008 at 3:08 PM

agnryed – listen to my link!!!

rightwingmom on November 21, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Actually, ABQ is my step dad’s hometown. Yes, he’s black. :)

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 3:10 PM

the idiot beacon that resides between Albuquerque and Sante Fe.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Is this anything like the Lunatic Lighthouse that guided me to Souther California in the Sixties? :)

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 3:12 PM

LMAO! My parents are conservatives if that helps.

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM

We seem to be the minority here.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 3:18 PM

the idiot beacon that resides between Albuquerque and Sante Fe.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Is this anything like the Lunatic Lighthouse that guided me to Souther California in the Sixties? :)

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Yes.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Actually, ABQ is my step dad’s hometown. Yes, he’s black. :)

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 3:10 PM

I remember your fight about Obama’s name…:)
Everyone is a minority up in ABQ to the illegals and the gangs, one in the same, most of the time.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 3:20 PM

He seems to be better at knocking gun owners like some liberal from Massachusetts who spent his time in Special Forces…mmmmmm..maybe like Kerry did in Vietnam..but I don’t know if he was even in or the greatest.

IlikedAUH2O on November 21, 2008 at 1:48 PM

…Kerry drove a boat in Vietnam….

…and, I was in Special Forces in Massachusetts, if it makes your rant easier….

…and, I didn’t get my definition from Wiki…I got it from an alcoholic staff sergeant at Fort Bragg…I don’t know if that makes it real by your standards…not Wiki….

…but, I hope that I wasn’t sounding as if I was knocking gun owners, especially people who own “military style assault weapons”, as the euphamism puts it…my point is that the folks who’re viscerally reacting to the idea of Joe Sixpack having a weapon which draws upon “high-capacity magazines” are ill informed at best, wickedly anti-democratic at worst….

…I’m going to have to start reading my own stuff from now on…I seem to be setting off “hot button” alarms….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Again, the typical abusive response without a hint of thought or analytical reasoning.

…and, once again, the left plants its flag on the intellectual high ground…how’s the view from up there, spunky? Lonely, eh?

I was replying to your rather arrogant reaction to some mentioning an event (the 1835 thing) from a neighbor of mine…he’s Texas, I’m Texas…we Texans stick together, don’cha know….

…oh…and to your knee-jerk assumption that Texans are ill-educated and/or ill-informed…must watch those slippery stereotypes….

I am sure in those days, you would have referred to the creators of the Constitution (which you so zealously want to defend now) as the “socialists” from the North.

…no…half of them were from the South…for one thing…the British, as I recall, were the “big government” types…taxation without representation, and all that….

I have stressed before, and I will stress again, the only thing that I find frightening is conscientous stupidity.

…yes…you do seem stressed…and, now, frightened…the first step to healing that is admitting it…carry on, my son….

…at least you gave “us” credit fo “conscientous”-ness….

And it is the abundance of this attribute in folks like you, I find inexcusable.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 1:51 PM

…my, my…I guess that I’ll have to add “conform to the conventional wisdom or commit suicide”…none of this exceptionalism for me, by the Eternal! Be as smart as you! No more, no less….

…there…done…didn’t even break a sweat….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I remember your fight about Obama’s name…:)

That’s about my bio dad who is Kenyan. My step-dad is from NM. I joke that there are 100 black people in ABQ and that I’m related to 50 of them.

Everyone is a minority up in ABQ to the illegals and the gangs, one in the same, most of the time.

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 3:20 PM

My parents are a double minority!

I sent my Mom that video about the lady whose parents were murdered. She be fired up, so to speak.

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 3:32 PM

I seem to be setting off “hot button” alarms….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM

It’s okay – hotair.com gets more mouseclicks if you do.

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:31 PM

…misspoke….

…only 16 of the 39 signers of the Constitution were Southerners…and that’s if you count Maryland as being Southern…they did then, but don’t know, really….

…but they weren’t socialists, in any case…the document they put their hands to, you see, didn’t have provisions for…er…providing anything to anyone….

…they did neglect to provide for capital punisment for lawyers…slippery slope, that….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Gun control: Using both hands and putting two rounds through one hole @ 25 yards.

Dukehoopsfan on November 21, 2008 at 3:35 PM

She be fired up /ebonics

She’ll
be fired up,

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 3:35 PM

It’s okay – hotair.com gets more mouseclicks if you do.

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 3:32 PM

…they’ve been elephantclicks lately….

…gotta love dem mouseclicks, though….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:36 PM

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 3:32 PM

I’ll bet. My mom is full blood Mexican with a touch of Spanish and Indian. She is more vocal about illegals than me. Maybe because their neighborhood has been overrun by them.
I live in southern NM and we have been seeing a larger black population, mostly thanks to Katrina, so not such a good thing there, but I understand your parent’s “double minority”. :)

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

My friends, the baseless hysteria of the gun nuts among you is yet another example of why the GOP suffered a repudiation of historic proportions in the past two elections.

Of course, watching you go off half-cocked with no concern for the actual facts of the situation is very gratifying. Carry on!

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

One out of 61 doesn’t evidence an inclination, habit or disposition. It takes multiple evidence points.

jim m on November 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM

…oooooo…being slapped around with a dictionary…are you wearing leather pants?

…let’s change tack, then…let’s not say that it reveals an inclination…let’s instead use the phrase “this gives us a window into their rotten souls”, as in a glimpse through a befouled pane down into a cesspit of self-righteousness, fear, insecurity, and hostility toward people who differ with them….

…work for you, sparky?

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Well, what did you expect?……

DL13 on November 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM

My friends, the baseless hysteria of the gun nuts among you is yet another example of why the GOP suffered a repudiation of historic proportions in the past two elections.

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Got proof?

platypus on November 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Then this stuff must scare the hell out of you…
Mini14 on November 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM

And of course this stuff is like home movie night for GOPers…

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:44 PM

LEBA
“The mere presence of the question on the form blatantly reveals the prejudicial position of the O team”

right2bright
“Or, when he begins debating various gun options, and someone from the NRA says “you don’t own a gun”

right2bright, LEBA is correct and your answer confirms what many think is on Obama’s mind.

“begins debating various gun options”

Unless he is planning some sort of change to the 2nd amendment, there are no options that need debating, yes?

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 3:44 PM

My friends, the baseless hysteria of the gun nuts among you is yet another example of why the GOP suffered a repudiation of historic proportions in the past two elections.

Of course, watching you go off half-cocked with no concern for the actual facts of the situation is very gratifying. Carry on!

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Are they cleaning under the bridge again, benny?

HornetSting on November 21, 2008 at 3:45 PM

My friends, the baseless hysteria of the gun nuts among you is yet another example of why the GOP suffered a repudiation of historic proportions in the past two elections.

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

…while this base and rather predictable trolling of yours is why you and your playmates, who have yet to show any evidence of actually liking the nation they’ve been elected to steward, will soon go the way of guests and three-day-old fish…and for the same reason….

…the GOP wasn’t repudiated…the Keystone Kops were never repudiated…merely foolish….

…the electorate is still waiting for someone with principles to run for office…their principles are intact….

…and, in case you’ve not noticed (and it would seem that you’ve not), this isn’t a GOP-loyalist blog…or a party member blog…it’s a conservative blog…and conservatives are sitting with the rest of the electorate…waiting….

…meanwhile, I’m going to wait for your guy’s next egotistical outrage and his party’s next ham-fisted faux pas…just like a city bus…there’s another one every half hour….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:48 PM

benny shakar –

baseless hysteria of the gun nuts

Doubt you’ll listen, but I’m posting it anyway.

Post Katrina – citizens had their LEGAL firearms ILLEGALLY taken by police. MANY still have not be returned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

rightwingmom on November 21, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Correction – MANY still have not been returned!

rightwingmom on November 21, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Will a religious test come next in the Obama vetting process?

It already has. No Christian can perform, procure, promote, facilitate, or protect abortion. Hence, Christians need not apply except at the cost of their souls.

Akzed on November 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM

BACK UP TO THAT PETER GRIFFIN: so you think Southerners are none too bright? well, I have a law degree, I’m bitter, & I cling to my guns & religion. And I was born & raised right here in Virginia.

My husband is going hunting tomorrow with a gun. He couldn’t go today because he had a jury trial (he’s the judge–another Southern idiot, right?).

Mr. Griffin, I must say, you’ve gotten on my bad side.

kelley in virginia on November 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Does this mean that Biden is on the way out?

(One can dream, can’t one?)

PersonalLiberty on November 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM

My friends, the baseless hysteria of the gun nuts among you is yet another example of why the GOP suffered a repudiation of historic proportions in the past two elections.

Of course, watching you go off half-cocked with no concern for the actual facts of the situation is very gratifying. Carry on!

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

benny, benny, benny … “repudiation of historic proportions”? You cannot be serious. Somehow the image of you sitting in your grandmother’s basement wearing your che t-shirt while sipping your kool-aid comes to mind.

Dukehoopsfan on November 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM

And of course this stuff is like home movie night for GOPers…

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:44 PM

…and young benny provides us with what he thinks all of us…in fact anyone who doesn’t agree with him and his party look and sound like…now…let’s go to the “inner city” and interview a few folks who speak well of Obama….

…wait…Peggy Joseph…the gal who said that Obama’d go in with her on her mortgage and top up her fuel tank if she’d just vote for him….

…is she typical of your guys, benny?

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Sure. So would have a similar result with McCain voters, if a similar survey was actually conducted. I have found no reason to believe that conscientous stupidity does not cross across party lines, but I have unfortunately found it more deep-rooted in some of the states in the South. I will be more than happy to see evidence on the contrary.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Well, we’ve gone from “you are stupid” to “you are more stupid than we are.”

I guess that’s progress, then.

Mini14 on November 21, 2008 at 4:00 PM

…the baseless hysteria of the gun nuts….

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

…benny, benny, benny….

…guns don’t make you nuts…they’re merely smooth, cool to the touch….

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 4:01 PM

My husband is going hunting tomorrow with a gun. He couldn’t go today because he had a jury trial (he’s the judge–another Southern idiot, right?).

kelley in virginia on November 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM

…and good hunting to him….

…sorry about the snarky remarks about lawyers earlier….

…wait a minute…you’re in Virginia…I’m in Texas….

…jurisdiction…yeah…jurisdiction….

*PPPPPPPPHHHHHHHTTTTTT!!!*

*DOES THE “CAN’T TOUCH ME” ANTLER DANCE*

*WINDED, SITS BACK DOWN*

(…good hunting, though….)

Puritan1648 on November 21, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Please listen to Dr. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp!!!

Her insight on gun control is a MUST LISTEN!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p

rightwingmom on November 21, 2008 at 2:33 PM

I live 30 miles from the site of the Luby’s massacre. Dr. Gratia-Hupp was instrumental in getting concealed carry passed in Texas.

Thank you Dr. Gratia-Hupp.

txsurveyor on November 21, 2008 at 4:06 PM

My friends, the baseless hysteria of the gun nuts among you is yet another example of why the GOP suffered a repudiation of historic proportions in the past two elections.

And of course power to rule–to control the liberty of others, to violate objective principle at whim–is the most important thing, isn’t it, benny?

baldilocks on November 21, 2008 at 4:06 PM

So the 2nd Ammendment is on it’s way out…the 1st won’t be far behind (Censorship Doctrine)…Obama’s making quick work of the “living Constitution”…What will be next?

BiasedGirl on November 21, 2008 at 4:16 PM

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Which one of my rights is half-cocked? The .22, .223/5.56, .380, .30, .308, .40, 9mm, or the .44-40? (although I admit that getting loads for the .44-40 is a pain in the ass)

Each has a use, none of which you, or the government, has a right, or ability, to deny.

Limerick on November 21, 2008 at 4:39 PM

My husband is going hunting tomorrow with a gun. He couldn’t go today because he had a jury trial (he’s the judge–another Southern idiot, right?).

Mr. Griffin, I must say, you’ve gotten on my bad side.

kelley in virginia on November 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Kelley, in my comments, I made it pretty clear that there was an abundance of such folks in the south, I did not imply that there were no intelligent folks down south. I spent a bunch of years in the deep South, and while I did find a lot of intelligent people, I also found a shocking lack of intellectual curiosity in a lot of them, not too different from our current President. I am not criticizing the lack of knowledge, rather the refusal to learn.

Hope it puts things in better perspective,
Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I am not criticizing the lack of knowledge, rather the refusal to learn.

The same could be said of a lot of your Northeastern inner cities.

evollusion on November 21, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Each has a use, none of which you, or the government, has a right, or ability, to deny.
Limerick on November 21, 2008 at 4:39 PM

My friend, it seems to me you should be more concerned with protecting your First Amendment right to misuse punctuation.

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Kelley, in my comments, I made it pretty clear that there was an abundance of such folks in the south, I did not imply that there were no intelligent folks down south. I spent a bunch of years in the deep South, and while I did find a lot of intelligent people, I also found a shocking lack of intellectual curiosity in a lot of them, not too different from our current President. I am not criticizing the lack of knowledge, rather the refusal to learn.

Hope it puts things in better perspective,
Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I think it is perfectly clear that peter_griffin is actually David Brooks. As in If you ain’t Ivy League you ain’t $hit

el rey on November 21, 2008 at 5:24 PM

jim m
“actually turn up the questionnaire and see that the gun question was just one question on it. And the apparently intent of most of those questions is to try to figure out if applicants have any embarrassing skeltons in their closet”

You’re missing the point.

Why would owning a gun be a “skeleton in their closet”?

As we all know the 2nd amendment guaranties our right to own guns.

If exercising our “rights” can be viewed as a “skeleton in our closet”

Then wouldn’t owning a computer with internet access be viewed as a “skeleton in your closet” if your exercising your 1st amendment rights?

3rd, 4th ,5th and so on.

In fact why have any rights if they are considered “skeleton in your closet”.

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Maybe they’re trying to screen out any “Vince Foster” episodes since Hillary will joining team Obama and a gaggle of clintinites are already onboard…

Gohawgs on November 21, 2008 at 5:58 PM

“guns which scare me, in the hands of people who don’t agree with me, which they don’t need because I said so….”

It occurred to me a long time ago that these folks are just scared by what the gun “looks like” not what it can do.

Out here in CA. a Ruger mini-14 with a 18.5 in barrel firing the .223 round semi-automatic, is legal

BUT

An AR-15 with a 18.5 in barrel firing the .223 round semi-automatic, is illegal.

It’s like saying a 1970 Camaro is Illegal but a 1970 Firebird IS legal.

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM

The first amendment is, if anything, even more absolute than the second amendment and yet they are asking about publications, emails, “handles” on blogs like this, etc. (I know it’s only action by the government that the first amendment applies to, BTW, but you catch my drift).

What they’re interested in is finding out whether the applicant or her/his family has anything that could be embarassing.

And, yes, Ed, buying pay-to-view porn may be (to some extent) constitutionally protected, but I’m sure Obama won’t want someone in his administration that has consistently done that.

jim m on November 21, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Having body guards that own guns though,, will not be a disqualification. Not for the elites. They don’t need guns when they have the power to surround themselves with high walls, expensive security systems, armored limos and SUV’s and of course, things like the secret service.
No,, we are “the masses.” We are the “peasant class.”
We are to be controlled, watched, monitored and spoon fed. Oh,, and taxed, of course.

JellyToast on November 21, 2008 at 6:13 PM

Scary looking guns are indeed an issue. During the Clinton assult rifle ban years, some rifles were banned if, for instance, they head a flash suppressor. The same weapon was legal if the suppressor was removed. Change was cosmetic only but many believed the change made a difference. Most people afraid of guns have never had opportunity to use one.

el rey on November 21, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Limerick, are you talking about NFA ’34 or AWB ’94. I believe NFA ’34 only addressed full auto and short barreled rifles and shotguns. Possibly sound suppressors as well. All of the cosmetic features you mentioned were covered under the idiotic Clinton Ban.

Barntender on November 21, 2008 at 6:17 PM

excuse the typos above, please. I should read before I post

el rey on November 21, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Perhaps this is a trial balloon to see if banning all guns will fly?

jim m
“–Do you really think that people who apply for jobs in this administration are a valid cross sample of the US?”

No, but I do think that’s why the questions were leaked, to see what the reaction would be.

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 6:18 PM

I think it is perfectly clear that peter_griffin is actually David Brooks. As in If you ain’t Ivy League you ain’t $hit

el rey on November 21, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Alas, there we go again. What I said had nothing to do with Ivy League. The fact that we have a sitting president who is an Ivy League-er himself, goes on to show that intellectual curiosity is not the hallmark of a college, it is just a trait of an intelligent individual.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Remember, liberals love the First Amendment as applied to porn; they only dislike the First Amendment as applied to political speech other than theirs.

Outlander on November 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM

Liberal political speech is porn.

Sooner or later somebody’s gonna get screwed.

soundingboard on November 21, 2008 at 6:28 PM

they head a flash suppressorexcuse the typos above, please. I should read before I postthey head a flash suppressor

el rey on November 21, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Hey, same thing…you were talking about the Clinton years, afterall

Gohawgs on November 21, 2008 at 6:32 PM

and I should preview…

Gohawgs on November 21, 2008 at 6:33 PM

peter_griffin:

Lack of intellectual curiosity is, indeed a problem. But it is not confined to or defined by living in the south. Nor is it defined by education or lack there of. I agree that it is not a “..hallmark of a college.” Some of the most intellectually lazy people in the entire world are encased in educational and intellectual concrete and will not entertain an original thought or a conflicting idea to save their liberal souls. Unfortunately, many of these people have set themselves up as superior to .. and judge and jury .. of anyone who disagrees with them. That superior snobbery just irritates the h— out of me.

el rey on November 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Again, the typical abusive response without a hint of thought or analytical reasoning. I am sure in those days, you would have referred to the creators of the Constitution (which you so zealously want to defend now) as the “socialists” from the North.

I have stressed before, and I will stress again, the only thing that I find frightening is conscientous stupidity. And it is the abundance of this attribute in folks like you, I find inexcusable.

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Psst. Hey Peter, check out the birthplace of Madison and Mason. And Washington and Jefferson too.

While you’re at it, google “Mason-Dixon Line”.

Show us poor benighted lower lattituders sum of dat patented Northern Intellectual Curiousity.

soundingboard on November 21, 2008 at 6:46 PM

That superior snobbery just irritates the h— out of me.

el rey on November 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM

I see where you are coming from. As long as intellectual curiosity is valued in our society, we will thrive. What still riles me about the last eight years was an attitude emanating from the administration which portrayed any kind of intellectual pursuit as a “non-macho” trait. Even recently, a certain politician aired derogatory comments on fruit-fly research without understanding the ramifications it has on understanding the genetics of vision.

What I have loved so far about this blog is that there are many people willing to take part in an intelligent discourse instead of merely parroting party lines. Keep up the high spirits!

Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Out here in CA. a Ruger mini-14 with a 18.5 in barrel firing the .223 round semi-automatic, is legal

BUT

An AR-15 with a 18.5 in barrel firing the .223 round semi-automatic, is illegal.

It’s like saying a 1970 Camaro is Illegal but a 1970 Firebird IS legal.

DSchoen on November 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM

I once read that Cali. law said pistol grips on a rifle made it “too accurate, while at the same time claiming that a folding stock made the same weapon “dangerously inaccurate.

Cognisant dissonance on full display.

soundingboard on November 21, 2008 at 7:34 PM

As long as intellectual curiosity is valued in our society, we will thrive.
peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Indeed; a wise sage once opined, “Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?”

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Of course, watching you go off half-cocked with no concern for the actual facts of the situation is very gratifying. Carry on!

benny shakar on November 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

“Half-cocked”? Use a pun…go to jail.

soundingboard on November 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Kelley, in my comments, I made it pretty clear that there was an abundance of such folks in the south, I did not imply that there were no intelligent folks down south. I spent a bunch of years in the deep South, and while I did find a lot of intelligent people, I also found a shocking lack of intellectual curiosity in a lot of them, not too different from our current President. I am not criticizing the lack of knowledge, rather the refusal to learn.

Hope it puts things in better perspective,
Cheers,
The Family Guy.

peter_griffin on November 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM

The plural of anecdote is not data. Strange that someone so supposedly committed the virtues of intellectual curiosity wouldn’t note that in a discussion like we’re having. Now, I could use this anecdote as an excuse to knock the left for embracing the trappings of scholarly pursuit while slacking on actual intellectual rigor, but I’ll refrain.

Instead, I’ll simply say this: present some actual data, or take a hike. Anti-southern bigotry isn’t welcome here.

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM

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