I could go on and on, but the bottom line is we HAVE the right message, we need to articulate it and quit looking angry in the process.

Chewy the Lab on November 20, 2008 at 6:02 PM

Sounds wonderful. Damn shame that no one got that message in the last election cycle due to McAmnesty demanding that we play nice with The One, and today the GOP’s message is this.

Conservatives stayed home this year. Now the remaining republicans are going to play nice with the socialists. The only way your message will be heard is if you, along with a few hundred thousand more like you, get off the couch and push it in person.

Push it like I did, or forget about it.

QED…

I agrre with Ed.> “I think it would have been fun to see how that poll would have turned out. I’m not entirely convinced that McCain voters would have done appreciably better”, after reading the comments here and in the other thread on this subject.

Chimpy on November 20, 2008 at 11:35 PM

Yeah, well, it’s still a pretty safe bet that people here know that Democrats control Congress.

All links are from original article.

Hot Air Blog Archive Zogby takes a pass on McCain poll

posted at 4:35 pm on November 20, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

After stirring up controversy over whethe……

1 poll aimed at a specific group excluding the opposite group?? Plus, almost everyone here don’t believe polls anyway. Right guys and gals? Search for polls in the archives and read the comments. That’s why this thread and comments are an amazing 180. Thanks for the laughs.
Chimpy on November 18, 2008 at 10:15 PM

It wasn’t a poll dumbass. It was an interview. Of course being a Libtard I don’t expect you to think deep enough to know the difference.
John Ziegler interviews Obama voters to gauge their knowledge of various issues that came up during the election, and gets very … entertaining results.
Reading is fundamental to comprehension of the subject at hand.
Guardian on November 19, 2008 at 12:03 AM

The title of that thread was>

“Video: How Obama Got Elected; Update: Zogby confirms POLL, denies “push polling””

Fixed

I’m afraid that doing a McCain poll now would be too little too late.

First of all, unless the results show McCain supporters to be utter simpletons, the left will simply cry ‘fraud’ with the accusation that Zieglar didn’t want to discredit his first poll. Second of all I’m not sure that a McCain version wouldn’t end up doing just that…for as much as we’d like for this poll to be carved-in-stone proof that Obama voters are all idiots, something tells me his opposition’s voters just may not be that much smarter.

Dark-Star on November 20, 2008 at 8:02 PM

I would tend to disagree, not because McCain supporters were somehow mentally superior to Obama supporters, but because a good many Republicans know not to swallow whole what the MSM dishes out. At least, more Republicans may have that attitude than Democrats, and may be more likiely to find info elsewhere.

First of all, unless the results show McCain supporters to be utter simpletons, the left will simply cry ‘fraud’ with the accusation that Zieglar didn’t want to discredit his first poll. Second of all I’m not sure that a McCain version wouldn’t end up doing just that…for as much as we’d like for this poll to be carved-in-stone proof that Obama voters are all idiots, something tells me his opposition’s voters just may not be that much smarter.

Yeah, I agree. I don’t think the results would have been a lot different.

lorien1973 on November 20, 2008 at 4:37 PM

I’d venture that a true random sampling of the same # of McCain/palin voters would have had a statistically relevant difference from the Obama poll just completed. When a poll has 4 multiple questions, if people knew nothing and just randomly guessed, then 25 % would get the right answer. What does it say when they have 4 multiple choice questions and score less than 25 %. to me, it says they “think” they know things that they, in fact, don’t know.

Hmph. I didn’t realize that Obama won his first election by kicking all his opponents off the ballot.

angelat0763 on November 20, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Even better was how he did it. He attacked the signatures on their petitions!

From NRO:

David Mendell’s Obama: From Promise to Power, page 110:

But Obama had one card up his sleeve. He could not envision how [rival Alice] Palmer’s supporters, even as solidified as they seemed to be, had gathered the necessary number of voter signatures on her nominating petitions in such a short time. Palmer herself confessed at her press conference that the nearly sixteen hundred petitions she had filed with the state elections board had been accumulated in just ten days. So a volunteer for Obama challenged the legality of her petitions, as well as the legality of petitions from several other candidates in the race. As an elections board hearing on the petitions neared, Palmer realized that Obama had called her hand, and she acknowledged that she had not properly acquired the necessary number of signatures. Many of the voters had printed their names, rather than signing them as the law required. Palmer said she was desperately trying to get affidavits from those who had printed their names, but time was running out. She had no choice but to withdraw from the race. The other opponents were also knocked off the ballot, leaving Obama running unopposed in the primary.

Interesting.

ramrocks on November 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM

‘Stupid’ is when you don’t know what you should know

‘ignorant’ is when you don’t know what you don’t need to know.

If you vote in a Presidential election without knowing what the issues are, or most ( or any ) basic facts about the current political situation, you are stupid. All elections have Stupid Voters; this one had a significantly high numbers of them in the Obama camp.

I’m not saying these people cost McCain the election; McCain did. He lost because many Republicans voters stayed home–because he didn’t give them a reason to support him–because he isn’t much of a Republican

But Obama and his trogs crafted a campaign designed to pull in stupid voters in record numbers, and their efforts paid off. Many BHO voters decided simply on the basis of Voting Against Whitey, and I’ll classify that as Stupid

it’s actually much worse……..

Pretty funny that everybody thought that was a GOP trick.

Being uninformed about something is not stupid ‘per se’ if you don’t act on what you don’t know– but these people did, and seem either defiant about their ignorance

They actually thought they were informed. They didn’t know what they didn’t know. The gal in the pink sweater was by far the most sympathetic Obama supporter IMHO. She actually expressed at the end that she is not as informed as she thought she was and seemed genuinely disturbed by that. She didn’t strike me as being “stupid”. She was just uninformed. These people actually did watch the news and read the paper. That is how people traditionally become “informed”. When the news media and the the newspapers don’t report the whole story, people remain ignorant from no fault of their own. You could argue that they should have known who controls Congress and who Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc. are because those things are reported in the media (though how many times do they point out during the nightly news that Harry and Nancy are Democrats?). But the real questions that had ramifications for this election were the questions about Obama and Biden’s records, and those stories were not covered in the MSM. So, again, these people were uninformed even though they did the sort of things one would do to be informed.

Anyone who has no idea of what the current political situation is should not vote. The Constitution leaves most aspects of voting up to the states–and most states had property restrictions on either voting or holding political office ( or both ) in the 1780s

Literacy tests were a device used by Southern states to disenfranchise Blacks, but some sort of basic nationwide test similar to that given to citizenship applicants can be made a requirement for registering to vote

I say, Amen to that. I’ve often felt that some sort of test should be applied to voting. But we would never be able to get that in law — not with the horrible history of Jim Crow Laws in our past. The reason why we mandate that high school seniors take a semester of Civics is to ensure that we have an educated electorate. It’s a shame we can’t have some sort of Civics test requirement for voting. I mean, we test people before they can get a drivers license. Why not test them before they can decide the fate of the free world?

We HAVE the high ground. The “Masses are Asses” response isn’t winning us any votes. Telling them clearly and concisely what we believe and why we believe it will.
Sorry for the rant. I’m ashamed (not).

Chewy the Lab on November 20, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Our masses aren’t asses, theirs are. If they wish to quit being asses, they can join us. :D