Minnesota Recount: Team Franken glad their supporters are uneducated?

Disputed Coleman-Franken ballots: You make the call!

Minnesota Recount: Soros and Silence

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Sure, you put these out there, but none of these “facts” show/prove/give merit to your claim that Team Franken wants ballots with votes cast for Obama with no vote cast in the Senate race to count for Franken.

The fact that Team Obama wants to re-look at rejected absentee ballots does not show this. It just doesn’t. You are wrong.

Team Franken wants the ballots that the Sec. State rejected to be re-looked at to make sure he was not mistaken in rejecting some of them. In such a close race in which every vote counts, why not double checks to make sure every eligible vote gets counted.

Again, no one is trying to get improper ballots counted… just double check the ones that were deemed improper to make sure some legal ones were improperly rejected.

Thems the facts and, again, you are just plain wrong.

Last presidential election, my Florida county used touch screens. This time, we had scantrons. I took f-o-r-e-v-e-r trying to make my chosen bubbles perfect. It was more stressful than the SATs, but less so than the ACTs. Gave me a bit of High School deja vu. Quite unpleasant.

Mrs. Happy Housewife on November 20, 2008 at 11:18 AM

I’m in LA county. We used scantrons, but they provide “punch pens” (I don’t know what they’re really called) — pen-like devices that make a perfect round disk when you push down on them. I double-checked my ballot before casting it — worked like a charm.

Having proctored hundreds of exams, I’m amazed that any place would still resort to pencils or not provide these magic “pens.” Too many chances for problems without them.

And AGAIN, read the following. You have shown zero proof to back up your claim and are just plain wrong:
Tom_Shipley on November 20, 2008 at 3:00 PM

The Franken campaign says rejected absentee ballots need to be reconsidered in the recount, even though Secretary of State Mark Ritchie has said disqualified absentee ballots would not be part of the recount.

Next time quote the pertinent statements, you know the ones that embarrass you with facts…
How much more plain can it be, this is from his own attorneys and campaign.
Tom_Shipley, it can’t get any plainer…I provided you with the proof in a couple of posts.
Here let me quote it again:

The Franken campaign says rejected absentee ballots need to be reconsidered in the recount, even though Secretary of State Mark Ritchie has said disqualified absentee ballots would not be part of the recount.

Get it? Even rejected, where the Secretary of State (a democrat and partial to Franken) disqualified them…they are disqualified.
Man you are dense…

Tom_Shipley on November 20, 2008 at 3:00 PM

As I said, facts won’t deter you from your fantasy world…facts just get in the way.
I showed you the lawsuit that was brought against the phony allegation of a “stroke”, I showed you the quotes from the attorneys…it was the democrat who brought the lawsuit, not the other way around.
As I stated, facts just get in the way with you…you are a hopeless liberal, you are in the party where you belong.

Meanwhile, the recount will go on and the man with the most votes will win.

Tom_Shipley on November 20, 2008 at 8:15 AM

That’s a fundamental problem with the way Democrats want to handle elections.

Only legal votes should be counted.

1. Democrats have perpetrated more election fraud throughout history,

2. Every recount begins with a Democrat

3. Every recount magically finds more votes for the Democrat candidate

4. The reason Democrats always give is not fraud on the part of Republicans, but the stupidity on the part of their supporters

Nice trend.

Mission accomplished, eh?

Let’s sort this out for you. Yes, in the recount, they will question votes for Coleman if they think there’s a doubt in the voter’s intent. Coleman’s people are doing the same. they’ve in fact questioned more votes than Franken’s team.

The ballot being contested shows they are asking for improper to be counted.

It does not show they are asking for an improper ballot to be counted. It shows that they are questioning the voter’s intent. I’ll point you to your own post from earlier in this thread:

No, what I said was…if only one bubble looked like this, and the rest was all but perfect, that would show that this was an aberration. So you put it aside, and if it does mean something later, then you re-analyze it. Meanwhile you move on and count the obvious. Don’t take the time to analyze something that may not mean anything, just set it aside.
So when you get done, you have 20 weird ballots, the vote is decided, because chances are these 20 won’t have any bearing, and you have proved that you attempted to honestly count every ballot.
Relax…if you were losing you would do the same.

right2bright on November 20, 2008 at 9:03 AM

they are trying to take only five seconds to look at each ballot. As you point out, this one may not be obvious (there is an X with lines “squiggled” over it). Both sides in this recount are only going to question ballots that would potentially favor them. Coleman is not going to question a ballot that has a vote cast for him. And when Coleman’s team questions a ballot, they aren’t asking for an improper ballot to be cast, they are just asking the judges to take a closer look at it. Same goes for Team Franken.

And in terms of the absentee ballots, what I said absolutely applies:

They aren’t asking for improper ballots to be counted. They aren’t asking for ballots with no vote cast to be counted. They aren’t asking for only ballots cast for Franken to be counted. They are just asking for a review of rejected absentee ballots to see if there are in fact some that should have been legally counted.

And AGAIN, read the following. You have shown zero proof to back up your claim and are just plain wrong:

No one at team Franken has suggested that ballots cast for Obama without a vote cast in the senate race should count for Franken.

Tom_Shipley on November 20, 2008 at 8:59 AM

You may be right on this one. He’s alleged a list of reasons for his losing but this one technically may not be one of them.

LastRick on November 20, 2008 at 9:12 AM

Well, his attorney say different…

right2bright on November 20, 2008 at 9:14 AM

But, I like you’re schoolyard tactic of declaring victory, grabbing the ball and going home. It’s the last refuge of a blogger who can’t win an argument on merit.

They aren’t asking for improper ballots to be counted. They aren’t asking for ballots with no vote cast to be counted. They aren’t asking for only ballots cast for Franken to be counted. They are just asking for a review of rejected absentee ballots to see if there are in fact some that should have been legally counted.

The ballot being contested shows they are asking for improper to be counted.
The woman who supposedly had a “stroke” they asked for her ballot to be cast.
They are asking for all ballots to be counted and analyzed.
So three out of your four premises are wrong…therefore you are wrong.
The fourth I feel is true, by the desires and actions of the attorneys.
So 4 out of 4 for me you are wrong
3 out of 4 by facts, supported by links on this post shows you were wrong.
You, by any count or recount are a loser.
Post closed…
(I once again educated poor Tom…but he won’t admit it…)

Sherburne: Coleman 22,886
Franken 13,399 Recount starts 11/25

Wright: Coleman 32,989
Franken 18,663 Recount starts 12/3

Scott: Coleman 33,827
Franken 20,687 Recount starts 12/3

In these three counties, Coleman leads by 18.9% out of 142,451 votes, and there aren’t any late-counting counties that heavily favor Franken–most of the rest are about even, or small Coleman-favoring counties. If Coleman still leads after Hennepin, St. Louis, and Ramsey counties (total Franken lead of 167,160 votes) are recounted, he will probably win.

If the machine missed valid votes, the recount would tend to favor Coleman here, so we won’t know the winner until at least December 3.

“Democratic-Farmer-Labor”? What the h*** does that mean?

Andrew D on November 20, 2008 at 12:56 PM

It’s a mangy mutt of liberal weanies (D), organic tofu growers (F) & hard-drinkin’ blue collar guys/gals (L).

Unlikely, I know, but the spoils system in St. Paul assures everyone gets a taste, so it works, especially at the state legislature.

Plus, lots of Minnesota Republicans are, well, there’s no way to put this delicately, real assholes.

Sorry.

(not Michelle Bachmann, though.)

They aren’t asking for improper ballots to be counted. They aren’t asking for ballots with no vote cast to be counted. They aren’t asking for only ballots cast for Franken to be counted. They are just asking for a review of rejected absentee ballots to see if there are in fact some that should have been legally counted.

And, again, none of this back ups this statement of yours:

No one at team Franken has suggested that ballots cast for Obama without a vote cast in the senate race should count for Franken.

Tom_Shipley on November 20, 2008 at 8:59 AM

You may be right on this one. He’s alleged a list of reasons for his losing but this one technically may not be one of them.

LastRick on November 20, 2008 at 9:12 AM

Well, his attorney say different…

right2bright on November 20, 2008 at 9:14 AM

His attorneys have never said differently. There actions have not implied they think differently. You are just plain wrong.

“Democratic-Farmer-Labor”? What the h*** does that mean?

Andrew D on November 20, 2008 at 12:56 PM

I’m not real sure, but I think this goes back to the days of FDR. The dems here in MN wanted to look and feel all inclusive and thought they could entice the democrats, the farmers, and the laborers into being one happy party.

This is now an outdated label as there aren’t that many farmers left and you know where the laborers have gone, overseas.

Uh, not just YET, guys…

http://www.conservativewomenunited.blogspot.com/