Minnesota Recount: Soros and Silence

posted at 5:30 pm on November 20, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

A couple of quick notes on events surrounding the Minnesota recount are in order.  First, if you haven’t taken the MPR ballot review poll that Allahpundit posted earlier, don’t miss it.  If nothing else, it will remind you that even a system as cut-and-dried as our optical-scan system isn’t idiot-proof.

Next, just to remind people who’s behind Franken, the New York Post reports on a major fundraiser for Franken’s recount efforts:

Left-wing billionaire financier George Soros is using his financial muscle at a Manhattan fund-raiser tonight to help Al Franken win a recount in Minnesota’s Senate election.

Soros – the hedge-fund honcho and sugar daddy of the Democratic Party – will host a soirée for Franken at his Carnegie Hill digs to help cover the candidate’s costs to monitor the statewide recount.

Soros may be golden, but so is silence, according to Team Franken:

“When approached by a reporter, a Franken supporter showed a slip of paper indicating a gag order by the campaign, referring all questions to the Franken campaign in St. Paul.” Source: Bemidji Pioneer, November 20, 2008

“Ray Hoover, the Franken campaign’s Stearns County site coordinator, said neither he nor Franken volunteers could comment publicly on the day’s events.

After Bill Starr’s reference to “minority people” being unable to deal with the difficult task of filling in circles on a ballot, that’s probably not a bad policy.  Too much truth-telling about tactics and strategy could make it difficult for Franken to win an election through lawsuits later on.

Gonna be a long few weeks.  Don’t expect much real news until the recount is finished.


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same as it ever was…….

Ultra-rich crackpots having a decisive influence on elections, in re 1992, 1996 ( Perot and Perot Redux ) among other examples. Soros is a symptom, not the disease

Janos Hunyadi on November 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM

File this under: “The Best that Soros money can buy.”

Lawrence on November 20, 2008 at 5:38 PM

“When approached by a reporter, a Franken supporter showed a slip of paper indicating a gag order by the campaign”

I’m gagging a little myself.

fogw on November 20, 2008 at 5:40 PM

If there’s going to be any real news before the recount is final, it will be if rejected absentee ballots are allowed into the recount.

Tom_Shipley on November 20, 2008 at 5:40 PM

If nothing else, it will remind you that even a system as cut-and-dried as our optical-scan system isn’t idiot-proof.

An old programmers proverb:

~ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. ~

The universe, in fact, is running up the score lately.

RegularJoe on November 20, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Thanks Ed for the up-date. Sorry your state is in the bag of soros and acorn. The slug d’s will do whatever to win. Seems to be a trend. I will pray Coleman wins.
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letget on November 20, 2008 at 5:42 PM

I know you could buy a sports team, but a political party? One man’s sport is another man’s politics.

Done That on November 20, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Gawd, can’t we institute mandatory literacy and minimum IQ testing for voter qualification in this country?

RMCS_USN on November 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM

I take some comfort in knowing that Soros’ investments must be taking a flogging in today’s markets…

Wyznowski on November 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM

What will Franken have to do to repay Soro’s generosity?

Surely a marker will come due at some point.

tru2tx on November 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Naaa, soros is a master at trading currency.

marklmail on November 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM

I take some comfort in knowing that Soros’ investments must be taking a flogging in today’s markets…

Wyznowski on November 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM

You know, I’m not big into conspiracy theories and “invisible hands”; but Soros is just evil enough that I actually wouldn’t put it past him to short billions in stocks, then purposely crater the market by funding a Dem sweep.

Not an accusation, mind you; but if it turns out to be true, you heard it here first!!

RegularJoe on November 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM

In my own piddly way I am going to change my auto insurance from Progessive to another company in order to not allow my premiums to help fund the Democratic Party.

jcheney on November 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Soros tried to sink the pound before the ’92 elections in Britain to defeat Major (see Bernard Connolly’s excellent The Rotten Heart of Europe).

He’s done it before. There is enough circumstance evidence to give credence to the theory that Soros is behind what happened here.

PimFortuynsGhost on November 20, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Does anyone think that Soros’ wealth will be shared? maybe if we knock him down to say 5 mill and convert his holdings to public funds along with Gates, Bloomburg, Kennedys…do you think they will be so willing to share?

rgranger on November 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Someone needs to do a payback on that troll. He’s a menace.

marklmail on November 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Gawd, can’t we institute mandatory literacy and minimum IQ testing for voter qualification in this country?

RMCS_USN on November 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM

RACIST!!11!!one! facist nazi vote suppressing neocon!

ReformedAndDangerous on November 20, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Are Franken and Rachel Maddow the same person?

marklmail on November 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM

marklmail on November 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Which troll?

Les in NC on November 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM

If nothing else, it will remind you that even a system as cut-and-dried as our optical-scan system isn’t idiot-proof.

Of course not, as long as idiots are allowed to vote. But if idiots were not allowed to vote, there would be no Democratic party…

rmgraha on November 20, 2008 at 6:01 PM

Ultra-rich crackpots having a decisive influence on elections, in re 1992, 1996 ( Perot and Perot Redux ) among other examples. Soros is a symptom, not the disease

Janos Hunyadi on November 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM

There are light years difference between Ross Perot and George Soros. The simplest one is Perot loves America, and Soros hates America. Slightly more complex, Perot wanted to fix what was wrong. He had an economy plan, energy plan, a deficit plan, a health plan and a social security plan. He knew we were approaching meltdown and could not get anyone to embark on a meaningful resolution to the problems.

He was the first major public figure to take on the auto industry.

He actually ran for President, and put everything on the line, including public scrutiny. No shadow games for Perot.

Had we elected Perot, we would be far, far better of than we are today. He was not afraid of the system, owed nobody, and is as honest as Abe.

Soros spends his billion to undermine the country.

eaglesdontflock on November 20, 2008 at 6:05 PM

If you cant steal it–buy it huh?

John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 6:08 PM

This kind of crap has caused armed revolt in lesser countries…………..

Seven Percent Solution on November 20, 2008 at 6:12 PM

No wonder there are so damn many lawyers at each counting site. Today they had about 20 and Coleman had 1 at our place in Minneapolis.

MargaretMN on November 20, 2008 at 6:13 PM

There are light years difference between Ross Perot and George Soros. The simplest one is Perot loves America, and Soros hates America.

I have been thinking, thinking about that old movie “Man Without A Country.”
IMHO, time for someone to make a remake. That is a very, very powerful message.
Not as O/T as it sounds…I say kick Soros out. Has he even become a citizen? Sincere question,I don’t know. If not, why is this piece of whale crap not escorted to the nearest exit point?

Chewy the Lab on November 20, 2008 at 6:14 PM

I’ve also been speculating for the past 2 months that Soros was a major force behind the economic meltdown. The timing, 6 weeks before the election, was just TOO convenient. Right after McCain took the lead in the polls after the convention, the bottom fell out.

There will be no investigations though, because the Dem/Coms run the committees – and are indebted to Soros the Evil.

ZzzzDad on November 20, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Doesn’t it strike anyone that the major players in the credit swaps and the sub prime mortgage mess are all big players in the Democrat Party? Golden West Financial, Superior?

I believe someone thought this up as a way to produce a little bit of chaos before the election and it got out of hand.

Soros was playing with the oil futures. That was his assignment, to help drive up oil before the election. Had to quit, though, when it backfired and he lost a bundle.

He did it in 2006 and 2004 also.

Evil man. yes.

eaglesdontflock on November 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM

MargaretMN

I volunteer down in Hastings.. actually pretty quiet…. they can’t complain when the ballots are clean. But you are right… many lawyers for Frankenstein and that doofus tool Alan Miller and his dumb dog were there…. I hate that guy.

MNDavenotPC on November 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM

You remember how the market tanked for a few days after the election and everyone was making noise about how it was because Obama had won? Then mysteriously on that friday it went up a few hundred points? and then people kind of backed off on the Obama blame- I’m pretty sure Soros was doing a little infusing of the market to help out his president -elect. Time for the little freak of nature to toss in a few billion to keep us from badmouthing Barry again.

anniekc on November 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM

It used to be that after all the ballots were in, you (or your political patrons) could no longer spend your way into office. I guess that’s an old fashioned notion now. Today you can also sue your way into office.

RBMN on November 20, 2008 at 6:26 PM

eaglesdontflock on November 20, 2008 at 6:05 PM

I didn’t say they were the same; I said they both used their fortures to warp the system. Perot may have loved America and Soros may hate it, but Perot was driven by his ego and his hatred of Bush in 1992; in 1996 there was nothing but ego and craziness left.

In 1992, Perot pulled out of the race on the day Bill Clinton was nominated; he stated that the Democratic nominee and platform were to his liking. He got back in the race when it looked like Clinton might possibly lose.

His goal was not to help his country, but to ruin a Republican president and get a Democrat elected

Ideally neither Perot nor Soros should have been able to do what they have done–regardless of their real or alleged motives

Janos Hunyadi on November 20, 2008 at 6:33 PM

No wonder there are so damn many lawyers at each counting site. Today they had about 20 and Coleman had 1 at our place in Minneapolis.

MargaretMN on November 20, 2008 at 6:13 PM

Even if he’s outnumbered, he seems to be doing a good job. The Coleman team has challenged 105 ballots, and Franken’s team has challenged 59 ballots in Hennepin County. Statewide, it’s 273 ballot challenges for Coleman, 194 for Franken. Hope they stay on their toes throughout the recount!

http://ww2.startribune.com/news/metro/elections/returns/2008/recount/msenco.html

Steve Z on November 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Janos Hunyadi on November 20, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Perot was disgusted with the Republicans inability to tackle problems. His primary focus has always been viability of our economic model and government.

Our founding fathers did not envision a two party system, feeling that polarization would tear the country apart. They were right.

Perot was benign, Soros is malignant. His lobbyists structured McCain Feingold to do just what it has done.

A third party would be the balance that is needed to accomplish what needs to be done. The system does not now work at all.

eaglesdontflock on November 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Follow the money.. Soros and his billionaire club, Sandlers, Peter Lewis, etc. I remember hearing about a secret meeting after the 04 election, I think they were pissed, that it was leaked. I believe that alot of old Clinton cronies were at it, and I think Podesta was. I have been trying to find info on it online and can’t.

reshas1 on November 20, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Soros buys a Senator.

Stuart Smalley, yet.

drjohn on November 20, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Are Franken and Rachel Maddow the same person?

marklmail on November 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM

No, Franken has ovaries.

BigWyo on November 20, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Left-wing billionaire financier George Soros is using his financial muscle at a Manhattan fund-raiser tonight to help Al Franken win a recount in Minnesota’s Senate election.

Ummmm…help shouldn’t matter either way. The vote count should already be determined, and all that is to be clarified is the totals. “Helping” could only mean eliminating votes that aren’t helpful to your side.

Oh wait. That’s right. I’m talking about George F’ing Soros. It doesn’t matter what the vote count is, it matters how much the guy can f’ing spend to bribe everyone necessary to ensure the person he supports wins.

MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 7:04 PM

This is just BS. I can’t even express how pissed this whole thing makes me and I fear that with Martin and Chamblis, I’ll have to deal with it here close to home.

mindhacker on November 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM

eaglesdontflock on November 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

nice try; I understand your affection for Ross, but he warped the system. The Founders envisioned–or hoped for–a NO party system, but for over two hundred years our system has been based on two parties ( as are most large stable democracies ). If you look at the occasional elections where there was a third party, they were times of crisis: 1968, 1912, 1860

Perot could have entered the Republican primaries against Bush I in 1992, and with his money he would have made his views widely known. Instead he held court on CNN, who were very happy to help him damage Republicans. He bought half-hour info-mercials to bypass the system, and got Clinton elected with 43 % of the vote. He was still trying to be a ‘player’ in 1994, and Pero-tistas ran in several Congressional districts that year.

Janos Hunyadi on November 20, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Left-wing billionaire financier George Soros is using his financial muscle at a Manhattan fund-raiser tonight to help Al Franken win a recount in Minnesota’s Senate election.

How does spending money help you win a RECOUNT?
Everyone has already voted and all that’s being done is the “recounting” of those votes. It’s not like people are going to get a chance to vote again.

What am I missing?

AZ_Mike on November 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM

I’m passing this around,, I think is is very timely message for today,,
Abraham Lincoln
September, 1862

This fragment was found and preserved by John Hay, one of President Lincoln’s secretaries, who said it was not written to be seen of men.”

“The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong. God cannot be for and against the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God’s purpose is something different from the purpose of either party — and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect His purpose. I am almost ready to say that this is probably true — that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet. By his mere great power, on the minds of the now contestants, He could have either saved or destroyed the Union without a human contest. Yet the contest began. And, having begun He could give the final victory to either side any day. Yet the contest proceeds.”

JellyToast on November 20, 2008 at 7:16 PM

I’m still at a complete loss. How Coleman didn’t have a clear victory to begin with is just mind boggling.

We’re talking about AL FRANKEN here for Christ sake!!!! I know he is the liberal poster boy for the ‘I’m kind of a douche bag and life isn’t fair’ crowd but Good Lord.

I think we need to do a poll here. Find out how many of those ‘savvy’ democrat juggernaut voters even knew who Al was when they voted for him.

BigWyo on November 20, 2008 at 7:26 PM

AZ_Mike on November 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM

After it goes to the courts, it could come down to who has the most gidas to pay the parasite lawyers.

I’d also never entertain the thought that some one might be bought off…or anything. Not a judge..or anything…

like that….

BigWyo on November 20, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Poor, poor, poor Mrs. Franken. How she must dream of pipe bombs and strichnine.

AubieJon on November 20, 2008 at 7:32 PM

OK, the Republicans have been kind of dumb, letting Congress and the Presidency get away from them during the last two election cycles. Interesting,,, the Dumb Party being trumped by the Evil Party……? Here we go….

DL13 on November 20, 2008 at 7:33 PM

I still can’t believe I am the only one to notice that George Soros was in the front row at the Vice Presidential debate.

L.N. Smithee on November 20, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Janos Hunyadi on November 20, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Nice try? What did I try? I think you’re confused, about me and Perot.

My point, the two party system is a disaster because there is no check and balance mechanism. Perot wanted action on problems. The system has learned nothing through the interventions of billionaires. It has learned nothing losing and winning elections. It is hopelessly corrupt and needs action outside the structure. Perot understood that, in a good way. Soros understands that in a bad way.

What is your contribution to solutions?

eaglesdontflock on November 20, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Franken recount judges:

“Thats 1 for you, 2 for me, none for you, three for me…”

44Magnum on November 21, 2008 at 2:29 PM