Gallup: 59% of Republicans want GOP to become more conservative

posted at 2:30 pm on November 20, 2008 by Allahpundit

No specifics on the how and why, but since party orthodoxy’s already firmly hawkish, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and anti-amnesty (among the grassroots, at least, on that last one), presumably what we’re talking about here is spending and bailout backlash. Shouldn’t be a problem: The One will give the GOP’s congressional minority plenty to dislike, including a bailout of the Big Three to pound the table about. No?

The House, at least, is heading right:

Pence, who was unanimously voted in as the Republican Conference Chairman on Wednesday, told CNSNews.com that conservatism is the current trend among House Republicans.

“What I saw today in the Republican conference was an affirmation that the way back for the Republican Party is a return to timeless principles,” Pence told CNSNews.com. “My unanimous selection was not so much an affirmation of me as a person, but my conservative principles.”

Both Mica and Flake also told CNSNews.com that the conference is experiencing a shift towards the right.

“Sure,” Flake told CNSNews.com when asked if there had been a shift. “Fiscal conservatives have more of a voice here now.”

Independents will head right too as the Democrats overreach, but note those toxic party favorable ratings. Exit question: Which will happen first, a return to Dow 10,000 or the GOP topping 50 percent approval? Click the image to watch.

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Quick!! Someone send this to Mort Kondracke!

DerKrieger on November 20, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Independents will head right too as the Democrats overreach

Ha. Don’t you just wish? In ya dreams, buddy. Demographics sir. Demographics.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Who are those 28%?

lorien1973 on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Quick!! Someone send this to Mort Kondracke!

DerKrieger on November 20, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Don’t forget Noonan, Frum and oh … don’t forget Whiny Parker!

upinak on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Quick!! Someone send this to John McCain!

Firebird on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

This can’t be true – just ask all the moderates in the GOP or the media…

Vashta.Nerada on November 20, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Duh!

SimplyKimberly on November 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM

add me to that number

johnnyU on November 20, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Pence told CNSNews.com. “My unanimous selection was not so much an affirmation of me as a person, but my conservative principles.”

I like the sound of this already

Vashta.Nerada on November 20, 2008 at 2:35 PM

But, but the Govenator said we gotta ditch the Cons! Oh no! Who should I believe?????

Tony737 on November 20, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Conservative principles are timeless and tailoreed for no specific group. Are you saying non-whites prefer sucking at the government teat more than whites? Are you saying they prefer a paternalistic government directing their every decision? Are you saying they are so weak that they are incapable of making their own decisions and taking care of themselves as productive memebrs of society?

DerKrieger on November 20, 2008 at 2:36 PM

No, we need to go after those 35% of indepedents! That’s clearly a better plan than going after those 59% of Republicans (a much larger population) /sarc

lodge on November 20, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Ha. Don’t you just wish? In ya dreams, buddy. Demographics sir. Demographics.
Grow Fins on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Demography is not destiny.

Slublog on November 20, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Mike Pence is a good man. We would be served well to listen to him.

HoosierCon on November 20, 2008 at 2:37 PM

I like the sound of this already

Me too.

But why do we still have Boehner? He’s a bailout traitor.

lodge on November 20, 2008 at 2:37 PM

The more interesting part of that is the number who want the party to become less conservative. Repulicans are already behind. Can you risk pissing off 10% of your vote to appease the base who will vote for Republican anyway?

DeathToMediaHacks on November 20, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Quick! Someone send this to Arnold Schwarzenegger!

Christian Conservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Finally a poll I agree with! I’ve been pondering switching back to Independent after the rush to liberalism we’ve been seeing in the (media obsessed) GOP. Pence is one of my favorites, though…
Hmm. Maybe I’ll wait to jump ship.

NTWR on November 20, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Can you risk pissing off 10% of your vote to appease the base who will vote for Republican anyway?

If doing so pulls in some of the 35% of independents who also think the GOP should be more conservative, yes.

Slublog on November 20, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Ha. Don’t you just wish? In ya dreams, buddy. Demographics sir. Demographics.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

You mean this demographic?

broker1 on November 20, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Mr Death or Mr Hack,

Huh?

Vince on November 20, 2008 at 2:44 PM

No specifics on the how and why, but since party orthodoxy’s already firmly hawkish, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and anti-amnesty (among the grassroots, at least, on that last one), presumably what we’re talking about here is spending and bailout backlash.

That and the whole forcing the base to support a RINO that only marginally agrees with most of the above and actually was out there calling conservatives racists for not supporting amnesty. This is nothing more than the base expressing its desire to take the party back from the bastards who decided the path to victory is to act like Democrats. The results really shouldn’t be surprising.

highhopes on November 20, 2008 at 2:44 PM

If the GOP doesn’t move to the right then we will have no party defending the Constitution in this country … and the public knows this (except for the idiots who think that our SCOTUS should rule based on ‘fairness’, but there’s nothing to be done with morons like that).

Defending the actual Constitution will bring the GOP back in no time.

As to the Dow returning to 10,000, this bubble bursting is not a little blip. A casual stroll through the history of bursting bubbles will show what sort of numbers we are really looking forward to with the Dow.

progressoverpeace on November 20, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Can you risk pissing off 10% of your vote to appease the base who will vote for Republican anyway?

This is why we lost. Conservatives stayed home. Immigration, McCain Feingold, blaming greed on Wall Street not where it belongs on the Democrats. Almost made me stay home.

broker1 on November 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Someone tell Cantor

entagor on November 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM

So 40% of the party are RINO’s! That is one of the reasons we lost the two election cycles.

thomasaur on November 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Repulicans are already behind. Can you risk pissing off 10% of your vote to appease the base who will vote for Republican anyway?

DeathToMediaHacks on November 20, 2008 at 2:38 PM

That 10% isn’t representative of the party as a whole. It probably includes the Log Cabin Republicans and the idiots who actually were thrilled to be voting for McCain. They are expendable since there are plenty of blue dog Democrats who would support the GOP if it stops trying to mirror the Democrat agenda- especially under the socialist regime being put into place for 2009.

highhopes on November 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM

W.W.Abe D. ?

A-doy!

LadinPlaid on November 20, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Let’s see if the RNC would actually get Steele in and fix the damn party.
Conservatives rule now.

jencab on November 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM

The one big misconception of conservatives among the general public, which of course is incorrectly reinforced by the MSM is that conservatives want to ‘impose’ their ‘religious’ agenda on to a ‘secular, plualistic society’. If anything what conservatives want is the complete opposite: Congress just leave us alone to live out lives as we see fit according to what we believe and hold dear, courts don’t impose by fiat what the legislatures cannot pass, and President and Cabinet don’t impose your will on us by taxing us to death and running huge deficits and imposing socialism on America. I strongly believe if the GOP could dispel this one central myth that the lefties and the MSM have run with in the last 50 years it would go a long way in presenting the GOP as a viable alternative for secularists and agnostics.

technopeasant on November 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Exit question: Which will happen first, a return to Dow 10,000 or the GOP topping 50 percent approval? Click the image to watch.

SINCE THE dow WILL HIT 1500 BY 2012 i VOTE FOR THE 505 APPROVAL RATE FIRST.

unseen on November 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM

59% is hardly an overwhelming majority. Okay, it’s big, but, think it through, it matters little if the party is more conservative, less conservative or the same. If our ideas hold no merit and are presented poorly by our candidates/elected officials, what direction we tilt will be meaningless. This is not about a shift in ideology. Obama ran promising the most conservative of conservative ideas, cutting taxes. Our guy never did figure out how to sell his own ideas. That might be the ideas, but if the left-most senator is to the right of your nominee on taxes, you lose in a center-right nation.

It must then become a question of the solutions that the party wishes to promote. An agenda of center-right solutions to problems Americans feel will yield dividends in 2010. Kinda like 1994.

Ennuipundit on November 20, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Really, I think a key thing people are missing is that to truly win an election you need to change people’s minds not just match their opinions.

Until Ronald Reagan there was no conservative majority in the country. Polls before Reagan would not have shown a majority agreeing with Reagan’s positions let alone the super majority that voted for him.

People’s political views may vary but almost everyone lives their every day lives according to conservative principles. That is why, although polls may show otherwise, conservatism when it is well and unashamedly articulated will never lose.

Kronos on November 20, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Appealing to blue dog democrats is a pipe dream. Moderates are liberals without the gumption to declare themselves as such. There is only liberal and conservative. If you disagree, I’m certain you voted for Obama and you prove my point.

Angry Dumbo on November 20, 2008 at 2:56 PM

I’ll bet that’s way low. More like 65 – 78%.

AubieJon on November 20, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Can you risk pissing off 10% of your vote to appease the base who will vote for Republican anyway?

If doing so pulls in some of the 35% of independents who also think the GOP should be more conservative, yes.

Slublog on November 20, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Thank you Slublog. This is exactly where the “reach accross the isle crowd” gets hung up. The last thing an independent voter is looking to support is someone or something that has no foundational principles. You are either a male or a female. You either believe in big government or small government. Keep the message clear and simple. Here’s all the Republicans need to say if they want to win: “See those guys over there, they want to tax, they want to spend lots of money and they think you are too stupid to make your own life decisions. We are actually an alternative to them. Take your pick.”

Zetterson on November 20, 2008 at 2:58 PM

INDEPENDENTS
More conservative: 35%
Less conservative: 35%
Stay the same: 22%

It seems that the Independents that want a change in the republican party equally can’t make up their minds which way it should go. That’s funny. And the remaining 22% say “Stay the same”. I bet you that if the U.S.A. went to the extreme left into Marxism or the extreme right into a Christian ruled nation these 22% would still sit on the fence.

Did he say, “Splunge”?

shick on November 20, 2008 at 3:02 PM

I wonder, when they take these polls, do they poll people like those in that Ziegler video?

abinitioadinfinitum on November 20, 2008 at 3:03 PM

What the hell’s up with the 25% of Dems that want the Republicans to be more conservative?

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 20, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Someone was talking exit polls on Fox and apparently some 6 or 9% of voters thought the GOP was too conservative while the rest thought they either lost their way or were too incompetent. Right on both counts there.

V15J on November 20, 2008 at 3:04 PM

This is why conservatism wins every time. Going more conservative will strengthen the base…59%, get 35% independents, and 25% of the democrats.

Conservative Voice on November 20, 2008 at 3:05 PM

R: 87% wants more conservative or stay the same
I: 57% wants more conservative or stay the same

We as a people have failed to educate the electorate.

Rx:
1. Get involved all the time, not just election cycles.
2. All politics is local. Got on school boards, city councils, state govt AND fed govt.

How to make it happen:
Start with a meeting of like-minded friends once every 2 – 3 months to get people involved, excited, running for office. Coordinate with local officials. In every city in every state in the country.

Take back our country 1 street at a time. It starts with YOU.

JustTruth101 on November 20, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Hell I’m starting to think that we’d have a better chance of taking over the Democratic Party, and making it Conservative than we do of dragging the Moderates out of this death spiral insistence that the way to win is to mimic your opponent.

Snake307 on November 20, 2008 at 3:06 PM

If Republicans concentrate on the fiscal conservatism and the small government principles and give acknowledgment to the social conservatives without it being the center piece I think that will set the correct tone.

Just A Grunt on November 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM

The more interesting part of that is the number who want the party to become less conservative. Repulicans are already behind. Can you risk pissing off 10% of your vote to appease the base who will vote for Republican anyway?

DeathToMediaHacks on November 20, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Explain that to the 10% of the GOP base that sat out the election earlier this month.

Vashta.Nerada on November 20, 2008 at 3:10 PM

What the hell’s up with the 25% of Dems that want the Republicans to be more conservative?

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 20, 2008 at 3:04 PM

They want the party to seem more polarizing hoping to get more votes for Dimocrats.

Laura in Maryland on November 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Explain that to the 10% of the GOP base that sat out the election earlier this month.

Vashta.Nerada on November 20, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Just to make sure it is clear – had the GOP run a conservative, they would have won. McCain got the Palin vote and the anti-Barry vote. He lost the economic conservative vote that would have propelled him to victory. We have seen in election after election that if the GOP moderates, they lose, and if they move conservative, they win.

Vashta.Nerada on November 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Gallup: 59% of Republicans want GOP to lose more elections

Fixed that for you.

Nonfactor on November 20, 2008 at 3:14 PM

What is a true conservative? John McCain is not a conservative b/c of his fiscal policies. Rudy Giuliani is not a conservative because of his social views.

I am confused and feeling left out. I am a young professional, and fashion myself as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I am not a member of any party.

Democrats know nothing about pro-growth economic policies. In fact, only 15% of all reps in Congress actually have a college degree in business or economics.

But I have to confess…if Democrats learn their lesson and begin adopting sensible economic policies like reducing the tax rates for individuals and businesses, Republicans will lose my vote. I have routinely compromised my personal views on social issues like abortion, immigration, gay marriage and the war on drugs to vote Republican. So, I was shocked to see the Republicans I voted for were not committed to fiscal conservatism. Despite this, I still voted for McCain.

So, I’m out here voting for Republicans despite the obvious fact that I’m not wanted by the party. And your comments will probably prove my point. Thanks! Cheers!

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Count me in the independent who thinks the GOP should be more conservative category.

FloatingRock on November 20, 2008 at 3:21 PM

But I have to confess…if Democrats learn their lesson and begin adopting sensible economic policies like reducing the tax rates for individuals and businesses, Republicans will lose my vote. I have routinely compromised my personal views on social issues like abortion, immigration, gay marriage and the war on drugs to vote Republican. !

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Based on your requirements above, looks like you will never have to leave the party. Welcome!

Vashta.Nerada on November 20, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Exit answer GOP hits 50% first, after the Dems screw up things even worse in 2009-10.

Dems get to own the next two years of a bad economy.

rbj on November 20, 2008 at 3:22 PM

If Republicans concentrate on the fiscal conservatism and the small government principles and give acknowledgment to the social conservatives without it being the center piece I think that will set the correct tone.

Just A Grunt on November 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM

That is the formula in a nutshell. Social cons will accept that small government means that at the least tax money will not be used to PROMOTE and SUPPORT abortion and other liberal social programs that they find abhorrent.

Alamo on November 20, 2008 at 3:24 PM

You win elections and influence people by having solid core principles and sticking to them. Of course, the lefties here want Republicans to be less conservative–so what else is new? Take a look at the political parties in this country that died away–the Federalists…the Whigs…why did they fade away and die? Because they failed to maintain their core principles. Why did the Republican Party win the election of 1860? Because it had core principles and it stuck to them. Why did the Republicans win in 1980? The same reason–core principles.

Having said that, we do need to do a better job in educating younger voters and soon to be voters–really the public in general–just what conservatism is all about. And the answer is quite simple really–conservatism is about individual liberty. American conservatism is about the triumph of the spirit of individual liberty and freedom over the liberal gray tyranny of the collective. That’s the message we have to get out–and that’s the message the liberal posters here are afraid that we will get out.

Matt Helm on November 20, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Quick!! Someone send this to John McCain!

Firebird on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Too late.

SuperCool on November 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Are you saying non-whites prefer sucking at the government teat more than whites? Are you saying they prefer a paternalistic government directing their every decision? Are you saying they are so weak that they are incapable of making their own decisions and taking care of themselves as productive memebrs of society?

DerKrieger on November 20, 2008 at 2:36 PM

That’s what the Democrats have them believing!

mrsmwp on November 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM

What is a true conservative?

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM

It’s a subjective categorization, but personally I consider the founding principles of the nation to be the core measurement of conservatism. So, for example, if somebody apposes the 2nd amendment they aren’t a real conservative, IMO.

FloatingRock on November 20, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Well…this won’t sit well with the “anti-oogedy-boogedy” wing of the party.

whitetop on November 20, 2008 at 3:28 PM

….And in other news, 100% of the democrats want the gop to go more “moderate”.

They like their new digs.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM

But I have to confess…if Democrats learn their lesson and begin adopting sensible economic policies like reducing the tax rates for individuals and businesses, Republicans will lose my vote. I have routinely compromised my personal views on social issues like abortion, immigration, gay marriage and the war on drugs to vote Republican.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM

How is abortion, illegal immigration or drugs good for business or the country?

mrsmwp on November 20, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Party brainiacs will take “more conservative” to mean “more Jesus!” One of the biggest problems with the Republican Party is this idea that each Republican candidate has to prove that he’s even more crazy-in-love with Jesus than the other Republicans in the room. It’s very alienating to people who would otherwise embrace a conservative agenda.

People want individual freedom, including the freedom to not have to swallow religious ideology along with a balanced budget, a strong defense, lower taxes, etc.

Django on November 20, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Well…this won’t sit well with the “anti-oogedy-boogedy” wing of the party.

whitetop on November 20, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Quick! Someone send this to Jack Skellington!

Snowed In on November 20, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Republicans will lose my vote. I have routinely compromised my personal views on social issues like abortion, immigration, gay marriage and the war on drugs to vote Republican.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Yes, because the democrats are so FAR ADVANCED on immigration. That’s why they have tapped Janet “let them ALL in if they vote democrat” Nepolitano, governor of AZ as a possible head of Dept. of Homeland Security….
Like your job? Like your neighborhood? Like your local hospital? Like the security that you feel that your family will not be the victims of drug or gang violence? Well, say goodbye to all of it. When the democrats get thru with their immigration policies, this country will look like a third world cesspool border town.
As far as abortion and gay marriage are concerned, you’ll have to square that with your maker.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 3:38 PM

People want individual freedom, including the freedom to not have to swallow religious ideology along with a balanced budget, a strong defense, lower taxes, etc.

Django on November 20, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Classical liberalism–which is the vision of American conservatism I espouse, I believe holds that issues such as same-sex marriage, abortion, school prayer, etc. are issues best decided at the state and local levels by the people either directly through their votes in referendums or through their elected representatives–not by courts and not at the federal level. I think that this is a point where social, fiscal, and security conservatives–as well as libertarians–can agree on. Let the people decide!

Matt Helm on November 20, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Ahhhh, so the “intelligentsia” like Kathleen Parker are 12 per centers. What an elite group of losers.

Finally a reason for cheer!

Buy Danish on November 20, 2008 at 3:42 PM

As far as abortion and gay marriage are concerned, you’ll have to square that with your maker.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Thank you for imposing your religious views on my political opinions. You are certainly winning friends with all that fire and brimstone.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Having said that, we do need to do a better job in educating younger voters and soon to be voters–really the public in general–just what conservatism is all about.

Matt Helm on November 20, 2008 at 3:24 PM

After ridding the party of RINO’s this is key to our success. Today’s youth are bombarded almost from birth the liberal doctrine. It’s everywhere schools, tv, music, video games etc etc…. We must get better at educating these folks.

Bogeyfre on November 20, 2008 at 3:44 PM

As far as abortion and gay marriage are concerned, you’ll have to square that with your maker.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Thank you for imposing your religious views on my political opinions. You are certainly winning friends with all that fire and brimstone.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Not quite, buckaroo. But, anyone with a brain would figure that abortion has more implications than just a “political” opinion.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Based on your requirements above, looks like you will never have to leave the party. Welcome!

Vashta.Nerada on November 20, 2008 at 3:21 PM

\

I’m not a member of the party.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:46 PM

I’m not a member of the party.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:46 PM

I’m not in the business; I am the business. -from Blade Runner

FloatingRock on November 20, 2008 at 3:50 PM

I think that young people will come around. My son works with others who are in their 20′s and some of them were for Obama. They have been working on a project six days a week 10 – 12 hours a day. I told him that Obama will take a lot of his extra income away and give it to promiscuous women and their illegitimate kids because it isn’t fair for him to have all that money. He said “no way”. I said yes, Obama wants to spread your wealth around.

Rose on November 20, 2008 at 3:51 PM

I think people have a mis-informed opinion of what an Independent is. People think they are some moderate wing that reaaaaly doesn’t like the word “religion” or “god”, or that they scare easily. This is patently false, studies have shown that independents really dont base their vote on issues but of substance and quality of a character.

“Who is more likeable” “Whom do I trust more”. So not only do we need core conservative principles but I think, more importantly, someone who can communicate to the electorate AROUND the tanning bed media.

I hate to bring it up, but Ronald Reagan showed how this is done. He was villified by the media as well, but talked to the people directly and we all know how those elections wound up.

broker1 on November 20, 2008 at 3:51 PM

You can’t have it both ways: the GOP wanted all the “Christian Right” vote that supposedly gravitates towards “Christian” values, plus they wanted the Jewish vote because of the Israel-threatened-by-the-Muslim-world issue & they wanted all the economic/fiscal conservatives who might not be very religious at all.

The Dems won because they didn’t inject religion into their campaign (at least so the avg. person could see it).

This post will piss off some, I’m sure. I don’t mean to seem “Godless”.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM

How is abortion, illegal immigration or drugs good for business or the country?

mrsmwp on November 20, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Thank you for putting words in my mouth. That sure adds to a substantive conversation. You could have actually read my comment, instead of knee-jerk scrolling down to the comment box. I thought only liberals did that. But please…tell me how good for business the “War on Drugs” has been?

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Thank you for imposing your religious views on my political opinions. You are certainly winning friends with all that fire and brimstone.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:43 PM

What fire and brimstone? Correct me if I’m wrong, HornetSting, but what I got from your statement is that these are moral and ethical issues that we all have to address and yes, we do have to stand account for our actions–if not to a Supreme Being, then to our own conscience. Another very important element of American conservatism is personal responsibility.

Matt Helm on November 20, 2008 at 3:54 PM

The Dems won because they didn’t inject religion into their campaign (at least so the avg. person could see it).

This post will piss off some, I’m sure. I don’t mean to seem “Godless”.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Here we go again. And you have statistical proof that this is why we lost yes?

broker1 on November 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Matt Helm: you phrased it better than I. Rather than a religious-based party, we should be the personal responsibility/conscience party.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Oh and another thing. Can we say Gore lost in 2000 BECAUSE we injected religion? Can we also say Kerry lost BECAUSE we injected religion? Or does religion only come into play when we lose?

Oh and how did liberalism change after 2 failed elections? Oh thats right, they werent asked to change, but when a conservative loses an election its hoy paloy YOU MUST CHANGE!

broker1 on November 20, 2008 at 3:58 PM

broker: no, I don’t have any statistical proof; I’m just an avid follower of HotAir & have come to this conclusion on my own.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Not quite, buckaroo. But, anyone with a brain would figure that abortion has more implications than just a “political” opinion.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Mr. High & Mighty insulting my intelligence! That’s rich!

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Pretty useless poll question to not specify “more conservative” in what area(s).

Anyhoo, it really doesn’t matter what plain old Republican voters think about the direction the party should take — what does Mort Kondracke think?

Y-not on November 20, 2008 at 4:01 PM

broker: no, I don’t have any statistical proof; I’m just an avid follower of HotAir & have come to this conclusion on my own.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Fair enough, I guess after reading Allahs posts for the last 3 months I can see how you would come to this conclusion. But take a hard look. Who injected religion? Palin didnt inject it, she mentioned WHEN ASKED that she has beliefs, lord knows McCain didnt inject it. Who brought religion into it? Weren’t both candidates at Hasselback Church doing interviews with reverend Warren?

broker1 on November 20, 2008 at 4:01 PM

Not quite, buckaroo. But, anyone with a brain would figure that abortion has more implications than just a “political” opinion.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Mr. High & Mighty insulting my intelligence! That’s rich!

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 4:00 PM

That’s Ms. and I don’t have to insult your intelligence. You’re doing a fine job of it yourself.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Look, here’s what I mean: I’m Episcopalian. Does that mean that I think that gays should run the world just because we got the 1st gay bishop? no. Does it mean that i believe in gay marriage? no.

There is more to my political philosophy than my religion. and the GOP should appeal to the conservative political philosophy of the general public, rather than their religion.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM

i have a confession. i am still registered as a democrat. i have, for several years, been more of a moderate independent. i like john mccain and he is the first republican presidential candidate i have ever voted for. before this election, if i did not like the dem at the top of the ticket i just voted for state and local folks (there i vote a mix of dem and repub). this year i was so appalled by the dems treatment of clinton, and the thuggery that installed a complete marxist moron at the top of the ticket that i simply could not stomach the democrats at any level and voted my conscience, straight republican top to bottom. having watched this political circus closely i can honestly say the republicans need to get more conservative. fiscal, social, and judicial conservative principals are closer to my beliefs. i want a candidate who will put our energy independence as top priority, our economy on firm ground, judges on the bench who strictly follow the constitution, and keep our country safe from people who hate us. i thought mccain could do that. i hope we find someone who can do it for the next election.

samiam on November 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM

What fire and brimstone? Correct me if I’m wrong, HornetSting, but what I got from your statement is that these are moral and ethical issues that we all have to address and yes, we do have to stand account for our actions–if not to a Supreme Being, then to our own conscience. Another very important element of American conservatism is personal responsibility.

Matt Helm on November 20, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Uh, yeah, Matt. Evidently, right and wrong doesn’t come into play when discussing “opinions” with budorob.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I’d feel better about Pence if he wasn’t talking about drafting plans for health care and other big government nonsense just the other day.

angelat0763 on November 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Keep the message simple: core principles based on individual liberty, conscience, and personal responsibility. That’s the ticket.

Matt Helm on November 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Matt Helm: you phrased it better than I. Rather than a religious-based party, we should be the personal responsibility/conscience party.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Works for me. Educate, and enlighten; don’t preach.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Samiam: I want all those same things. And I don’t care about what the “Christian Right” says about it.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Thank you for imposing your religious views on my political opinions. You are certainly winning friends with all that fire and brimstone.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:43 PM

stating religious views is not “imposing” religious views. check your diction.

anti-boomer on November 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Uh, yeah, Matt. Evidently, right and wrong doesn’t come into play when discussing “opinions” with budorob.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Well, if you were actually interested in knowing my opinion, instead of assuming how I think and feel, we could get somewhere. That’s what’s wrong with your brand of conservatism: prescription over personal responsibility.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 4:09 PM

more conservative less compassionate.
what do we mean by “conservative”? I’ve heard it said that what Republicans want is in no way “conservative” but rather anti-establishmentarian. There are certainly things that should be preserved and things that should be choked off.
I’m as interested in choking off things, mass welfare, public education, most government-run institutions.
I’m not interested in conserving unions.

anti-boomer on November 20, 2008 at 4:12 PM

i fail to see how the “christian right” has any more say in the matter than anyone else. look, christians vote their social values more than other folks might but they have that right. we all vote for our own reasons. i refuse to vilify anyone who votes for their conservative values. although i might vilify a huge group of ignorant dems and indies for voting for o’dumbo.

samiam on November 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Uh, yeah, Matt. Evidently, right and wrong doesn’t come into play when discussing “opinions” with budorob.

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Well, if you were actually interested in knowing my opinion, instead of assuming how I think and feel, we could get somewhere. That’s what’s wrong with your brand of conservatism: prescription over personal responsibility.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 4:09 PM

“My brand of conservatism?”

Republicans will lose my vote. I have routinely compromised my personal views on social issues like abortion, immigration, gay marriage and the war on drugs to vote Republican.

budorob on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM

You sound a little wishy-washy. I have my own values and ideals and they square with conservative positions. Not RINO or moderate positions. The law is the law. There is a difference between right and wrong.

“If I was actually interested in knowing YOUR opinion?”

Well, it sounds like you are in the mushy middle. Do you actually HAVE an opinion or do you wait until the 11th hour to figure out who you are going to vote for?

HornetSting on November 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM

There is more to my political philosophy than my religion. and the GOP should appeal to the conservative political philosophy of the general public, rather than their religion.

kelley in virginia on November 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Believe it or not, and I wish people could see this. That is exactly what McCain did. He ran as democrat lite and when given the choice people will vote for the real thing. Conservatives embrace all religions, not once in this campaign did McCain spout religious views, never once, never never. And yet guess what? Obama won the majority of the catholic vote. Did anyone know that?

This is all moot though. Republicans had no chance in winning this election, the economy, handling of the war and 8 years of Bush couldnt be wiped away. This election was going D from the get go.

broker1 on November 20, 2008 at 4:15 PM

i have a confession. i am still registered as a democrat. i have, for several years, been more of a moderate independent. i like john mccain and he is the first republican presidential candidate i have ever voted for.

samiam on November 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Depending on where you live, you may be smart to stay registered as a Democrat.

I’m in California and both my husband and I are considering switching our registration away from Republican. I think he’s already filled out his form to register as an Independent. With the caped crusaders in the No on 8 movement taking it upon themselves to “out” people for donating $100 to Yes on 8, we figure it won’t be long before Obamabots start outing people just for being registered Republicans. He works in a very liberal field and, frankly, we don’t trust that his co-workers would “tolerate” a Republican in their midst.

I’m still trying to decide if I should switch to Independent or Democrat.

Y-not on November 20, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Who are those 28%?

lorien1973 on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM

…McCain’s campaign staff…they were polled in an unemployment line….

Puritan1648 on November 20, 2008 at 4:20 PM

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