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		<title>By: Pre-empting FOCA? &#171; Top Daily Digest Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pre-empting FOCA? &#171; Top Daily Digest Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: There's My Two Cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>There's My Two Cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lame Duck Moves...&lt;/strong&gt;

President Bush is now officially a lame duck President. Normally, that means the President just lays low, avoids screw-ups, and starts writing a memoir. In Bush&#039;s case, it looks like he&#039;s still trying to do his job....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Lame Duck Moves&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>President Bush is now officially a lame duck President. Normally, that means the President just lays low, avoids screw-ups, and starts writing a memoir. In Bush&#8217;s case, it looks like he&#8217;s still trying to do his job&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sterling Holobyte</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1666878</link>
		<dc:creator>Sterling Holobyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think alot of people understand; the left DOESN&#039;T CARE if religious hospitals are closed or people who have a moral consciousness lose their jobs, just as they didn&#039;t care that Catholic Charities were forced to stop all adoptions because they refused to give children to homosexual &quot;couples&quot; who &quot;wanted&quot; them.  You think they care that one more hope to find children homes with loving, moral families was extinguished? 

They don&#039;t care what happens to those children, those families, or to a business- even if that business helps people- if those children, families, or businesses aren&#039;t online with their way of thinking and cower to their demand for total, unquestioned approval of their behavior.
Look at how they have infiltrated our public schools to press their way of thinking into young, innocent children&#039;s minds.

There is such a thing as evil. 
And there truly is evil in these people&#039;s hearts.
I do not say that lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think alot of people understand; the left DOESN&#8217;T CARE if religious hospitals are closed or people who have a moral consciousness lose their jobs, just as they didn&#8217;t care that Catholic Charities were forced to stop all adoptions because they refused to give children to homosexual &#8220;couples&#8221; who &#8220;wanted&#8221; them.  You think they care that one more hope to find children homes with loving, moral families was extinguished? </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t care what happens to those children, those families, or to a business- even if that business helps people- if those children, families, or businesses aren&#8217;t online with their way of thinking and cower to their demand for total, unquestioned approval of their behavior.<br />
Look at how they have infiltrated our public schools to press their way of thinking into young, innocent children&#8217;s minds.</p>
<p>There is such a thing as evil.<br />
And there truly is evil in these people&#8217;s hearts.<br />
I do not say that lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Musings</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1665349</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Forcing Barack&#039;s Hand on FOCA...&lt;/strong&gt;

As noted by Ed Morrissey at HotAir.com, President Bush may be forcing the Obama administration to be more explicit in it&#039;s support of abortion. Basically, President Bush&#039;s rule change would &quot;prohibit recipients of federal money from discriminating a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Forcing Barack&#8217;s Hand on FOCA&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As noted by Ed Morrissey at HotAir.com, President Bush may be forcing the Obama administration to be more explicit in it&#8217;s support of abortion. Basically, President Bush&#8217;s rule change would &#8220;prohibit recipients of federal money from discriminating a&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1664832</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the government should stay out of it, then that means that the government cannot force a nurse or doctor to participate in an abortion if they feel that abortion is the taking of a human life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the government should stay out of it, then that means that the government cannot force a nurse or doctor to participate in an abortion if they feel that abortion is the taking of a human life.</p>
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		<title>By: MSimon</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1664789</link>
		<dc:creator>MSimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am tired of being told I am intolerant because somebody has a legal right to choose but I have none.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t want an abortion? Don&#039;t have one. That is choice. 

The Jewish position on abortion:

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/11/jewish-position-on-abortion.html

It is just a little short of the secular position. &quot;The government should stay out of it&quot; is the Jewish political position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am tired of being told I am intolerant because somebody has a legal right to choose but I have none.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t want an abortion? Don&#8217;t have one. That is choice. </p>
<p>The Jewish position on abortion:</p>
<p><a href="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/11/jewish-position-on-abortion.html" rel="nofollow">http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/11/jewish-position-on-abortion.html</a></p>
<p>It is just a little short of the secular position. &#8220;The government should stay out of it&#8221; is the Jewish political position.</p>
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		<title>By: Cardinal Predicts &#8220;Time Of Trial&#8221; For Americans &#171; Nice Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cardinal Predicts &#8220;Time Of Trial&#8221; For Americans &#171; Nice Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ed Morrissey reports: The Bush administration has decided to push last-minute rule changes in the lame-duck period that would strengthen protections for health providers with religious objections to abortion and contraception.  Objections have come from within the administration itself and from states and providers over the new rules, which they claim greatly overreach already-existing protections and obliterate compromises reached on these issues.  It appears that President Bush has decided to pre-empt the Freedom of Choice Act as his last major domestic effort. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ed Morrissey reports: The Bush administration has decided to push last-minute rule changes in the lame-duck period that would strengthen protections for health providers with religious objections to abortion and contraception.  Objections have come from within the administration itself and from states and providers over the new rules, which they claim greatly overreach already-existing protections and obliterate compromises reached on these issues.  It appears that President Bush has decided to pre-empt the Freedom of Choice Act as his last major domestic effort. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Garnett</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1663387</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Garnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All we heard was Bush approval at 20% or lower... NEVER the drum beat from our side about the Dems having 11% approval in Congress...


The Repubs played this to lose, not win. They did not fight fire with fire...


The only way to beat the MSM is go past them, straight to the people...


We failed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All we heard was Bush approval at 20% or lower&#8230; NEVER the drum beat from our side about the Dems having 11% approval in Congress&#8230;</p>
<p>The Repubs played this to lose, not win. They did not fight fire with fire&#8230;</p>
<p>The only way to beat the MSM is go past them, straight to the people&#8230;</p>
<p>We failed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1663324</link>
		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let’s face it–it’s the bad economy, a month before the election with a Republican President in office that got Obama elected.&quot;

That and the fact that 57% of the populaqtion did not know that the Democrats had been running Congress for the last two years.  

WTF was going on with anyone who was using money to advertise for Republicans.

A good sound advertising campaign would have helped mitigate the natural desire of the voter to blame Republicans for a bad ecomomic climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let’s face it–it’s the bad economy, a month before the election with a Republican President in office that got Obama elected.&#8221;</p>
<p>That and the fact that 57% of the populaqtion did not know that the Democrats had been running Congress for the last two years.  </p>
<p>WTF was going on with anyone who was using money to advertise for Republicans.</p>
<p>A good sound advertising campaign would have helped mitigate the natural desire of the voter to blame Republicans for a bad ecomomic climate.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1663306</link>
		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To some extent, they may have a point.  If a Muslim pharmacist refused to dispense birth control to unmarried women, for instance, I suspect he’d get a lot less sympathy than a Christian pharmacist would under similar circumstances. 



The Muslim pharmacist would have the full force of the Federal GOvernment behind them whereas the Christian pharmacist whould likely be investigated by the Justice Department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To some extent, they may have a point.  If a Muslim pharmacist refused to dispense birth control to unmarried women, for instance, I suspect he’d get a lot less sympathy than a Christian pharmacist would under similar circumstances. </p>
<p>The Muslim pharmacist would have the full force of the Federal GOvernment behind them whereas the Christian pharmacist whould likely be investigated by the Justice Department.</p>
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		<title>By: neuquenguy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1663257</link>
		<dc:creator>neuquenguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It comes down to the fact that we are losing the moral fight of our lives. The hearts and minds of a whole generation have been moved on purpose, to get us to this point. And they are not done yet.

Mini14 on November 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;Look at the Zogby poll folks, Conservatives did NOT lose the election, MORONS and LIES won the election. 
Mark Garnett on November 20, 2008 at 7:52 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, these two are very important factors in the loss of the election, and they are often ignored. They are to me also the most disturbing factors because I don&#039;t see anything in motion to change this. For this reason, even of we get great candidates,  I don&#039;t have a lot of hope that the following will happen: 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Let the Hospitals close, let folks ACTUALY SEE the damage that being an uninformed voter can do… CONSERVATIVES WILL SWEEP INTO OFFICE IN MID-TERMS 2010!!! 

Mark Garnett on November 20, 2008 at 7:52 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Until these trends towards declining values, and diminishing capability in the population to use their brains is reversed, we are in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It comes down to the fact that we are losing the moral fight of our lives. The hearts and minds of a whole generation have been moved on purpose, to get us to this point. And they are not done yet.</p>
<p>Mini14 on November 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Look at the Zogby poll folks, Conservatives did NOT lose the election, MORONS and LIES won the election.<br />
Mark Garnett on November 20, 2008 at 7:52 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, these two are very important factors in the loss of the election, and they are often ignored. They are to me also the most disturbing factors because I don&#8217;t see anything in motion to change this. For this reason, even of we get great candidates,  I don&#8217;t have a lot of hope that the following will happen: </p>
<blockquote><p>Let the Hospitals close, let folks ACTUALY SEE the damage that being an uninformed voter can do… CONSERVATIVES WILL SWEEP INTO OFFICE IN MID-TERMS 2010!!! </p>
<p>Mark Garnett on November 20, 2008 at 7:52 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Until these trends towards declining values, and diminishing capability in the population to use their brains is reversed, we are in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: W Is Still Doing Stuff &#171; Beltway Snark</title>
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		<dc:creator>W Is Still Doing Stuff &#171; Beltway Snark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is Still Doing&#160;Stuff  Jump to Comments Good stuff at that. A last-minute Bush administration plan to grant sweeping new protections to health care [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is Still Doing&nbsp;Stuff  Jump to Comments Good stuff at that. A last-minute Bush administration plan to grant sweeping new protections to health care [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Garnett</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1663134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Garnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the Zogby poll folks, Conservatives did NOT lose the election, MORONS and LIES won the election. Let the Hospitals close, let folks ACTUALY SEE the damage that being an uninformed voter can do... CONSERVATIVES WILL SWEEP INTO OFFICE IN MID-TERMS 2010!!! I hope Hospitals close, unemployment is at 25%, gas prices rise again to new records, people SUFFER... We have 60% of the idiots voting for a Socilist, an America basher / hater... LET THEM SUFFER! Let the &quot;youth vote&quot; see the fruits of Communisiam, let the &quot;black vote&quot; see the &quot;CHANGE&quot;... Let businesses go broke, let health care go in the toliet... Only then, will the masses of cultists, the morons that hurt America see the &quot;REAL PAIN&quot; of the MESSIAH... Until we have CONSERVATIVE VOICES yelling, SCREEMING, &quot;LOOK, LOOK, HOSPITALS CLOSING, JOBS GONE, UNEMPLYOMENT 25%, STOCK MARKET AT 5000&quot; and pointing CLEARLY at the 11% approval rated DEMOCRAT Congress and the MIGHTY LEADER... We will continue to poop in our own pants and whine...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the Zogby poll folks, Conservatives did NOT lose the election, MORONS and LIES won the election. Let the Hospitals close, let folks ACTUALY SEE the damage that being an uninformed voter can do&#8230; CONSERVATIVES WILL SWEEP INTO OFFICE IN MID-TERMS 2010!!! I hope Hospitals close, unemployment is at 25%, gas prices rise again to new records, people SUFFER&#8230; We have 60% of the idiots voting for a Socilist, an America basher / hater&#8230; LET THEM SUFFER! Let the &#8220;youth vote&#8221; see the fruits of Communisiam, let the &#8220;black vote&#8221; see the &#8220;CHANGE&#8221;&#8230; Let businesses go broke, let health care go in the toliet&#8230; Only then, will the masses of cultists, the morons that hurt America see the &#8220;REAL PAIN&#8221; of the MESSIAH&#8230; Until we have CONSERVATIVE VOICES yelling, SCREEMING, &#8220;LOOK, LOOK, HOSPITALS CLOSING, JOBS GONE, UNEMPLYOMENT 25%, STOCK MARKET AT 5000&#8243; and pointing CLEARLY at the 11% approval rated DEMOCRAT Congress and the MIGHTY LEADER&#8230; We will continue to poop in our own pants and whine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: inmypajamas</title>
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		<dc:creator>inmypajamas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this thread is probably a dead one at this point but I have to make a comment as a Nurse Practitioner in the Ob/Gyn field.  Protection for anti-abortion providers is not just a trivial issue.  Long story short, I was threatened with termination at a public hospital for refusing to participate in a late-term abortion.  I ended up keeping my job but the threat was held over my head for the remainder of my employment there and I was harrassed on a low level by a fellow employee who disagreed with my refusal. The hospital employee relations people told me they could do nothing about the situation unless I was willing to forgo anonymity, which, as a 20-something nurse who needed the job, was not something I had the luxury to do (or was brave enough to do at that age).  I would have been nice to have had the protection of law for my &quot;minority&quot; position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this thread is probably a dead one at this point but I have to make a comment as a Nurse Practitioner in the Ob/Gyn field.  Protection for anti-abortion providers is not just a trivial issue.  Long story short, I was threatened with termination at a public hospital for refusing to participate in a late-term abortion.  I ended up keeping my job but the threat was held over my head for the remainder of my employment there and I was harrassed on a low level by a fellow employee who disagreed with my refusal. The hospital employee relations people told me they could do nothing about the situation unless I was willing to forgo anonymity, which, as a 20-something nurse who needed the job, was not something I had the luxury to do (or was brave enough to do at that age).  I would have been nice to have had the protection of law for my &#8220;minority&#8221; position.</p>
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		<title>By: DannoJyd</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1662080</link>
		<dc:creator>DannoJyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about time that Bush did something right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time that Bush did something right!</p>
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		<title>By: Speakup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speakup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far as the helpless are concerned Obama wants everybody to understand exactly what he means when he says, FOCA you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far as the helpless are concerned Obama wants everybody to understand exactly what he means when he says, FOCA you!</p>
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		<title>By: justincase</title>
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		<dc:creator>justincase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it might be helpful for Catholic doctors and nurses to study the research which shows that women who go through abortion often do so because they are pressured by someone else and/or because they don&#039;t have hope for their future. I truly believe that abortion = one dead, one wounded. Most times I think it truly is &quot;Father forgive her; she doesn&#039;t know what she&#039;s doing.&quot;

Sometimes we feel like we have to bring another person to repentance. Certainly that&#039;s the tough love concept, and people who are hardened or defiant need that. 

But what really brings people to repentance is kindness - seeing the One we&#039;ve hurt and knowing His deep, deep love for us. Sometimes life seems like one big punch in the gut after another. But what really knocks a person over is grace - undeserved kindness. The most powerful force in the world, and the only power to really change a person from the inside out. Many of the strongest pro-life people are those who have been through the pain of abortion, received forgiveness, and see it as it really is - and want to protect anyone else from having to suffer the same thing.

Remember that Christ didn&#039;t die for us when we were righteous, but when we were sinners spitting in His face. He might have thought He was spoiling us by giving us undeserved kindness. But His only other choice was to let us rot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it might be helpful for Catholic doctors and nurses to study the research which shows that women who go through abortion often do so because they are pressured by someone else and/or because they don&#8217;t have hope for their future. I truly believe that abortion = one dead, one wounded. Most times I think it truly is &#8220;Father forgive her; she doesn&#8217;t know what she&#8217;s doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes we feel like we have to bring another person to repentance. Certainly that&#8217;s the tough love concept, and people who are hardened or defiant need that. </p>
<p>But what really brings people to repentance is kindness &#8211; seeing the One we&#8217;ve hurt and knowing His deep, deep love for us. Sometimes life seems like one big punch in the gut after another. But what really knocks a person over is grace &#8211; undeserved kindness. The most powerful force in the world, and the only power to really change a person from the inside out. Many of the strongest pro-life people are those who have been through the pain of abortion, received forgiveness, and see it as it really is &#8211; and want to protect anyone else from having to suffer the same thing.</p>
<p>Remember that Christ didn&#8217;t die for us when we were righteous, but when we were sinners spitting in His face. He might have thought He was spoiling us by giving us undeserved kindness. But His only other choice was to let us rot.</p>
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		<title>By: justincase</title>
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		<dc:creator>justincase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corsaid at 5:18

That&#039;s all I hold onto, to be truthful. I&#039;m so thankful that He told us ahead of time that all this would happen, that we would see evil seem to triumph. It seemed like evil triumphed on Good Friday but it didn&#039;t. It was actually defeated on Good Friday, though nobody but God Himself knew it until Sunday. It&#039;s Saturday that&#039;s the hard place to live, and that&#039;s where we&#039;re at right now.

Maybe the only thing we can do living in the perpetual Saturday is exactly what the disciples did that day: huddle together and wait. I&#039;ve snuggled my kids a lot more since the election, I know that. I don&#039;t know what they might have to see before they get to go Home.

It bothers me to see those who were pulling together for McCain at each other&#039;s throats now. I know that&#039;s a normal art of grieving. We lost two children and I understand that about 80% of couples don&#039;t survive the death of a child. Men and women just grieve so differently. 

I think a lot of us today are grieving, complete with denial, anger, guilt, isolation - all that goes along with grieving. But more than anything I think we need to hold each other close because all we&#039;ve got in an earthly sense is each other.

As things get worse in America in the near future, others will be realizing what&#039;s happened. They will begin to grieve also and they&#039;re going to need us too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corsaid at 5:18</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I hold onto, to be truthful. I&#8217;m so thankful that He told us ahead of time that all this would happen, that we would see evil seem to triumph. It seemed like evil triumphed on Good Friday but it didn&#8217;t. It was actually defeated on Good Friday, though nobody but God Himself knew it until Sunday. It&#8217;s Saturday that&#8217;s the hard place to live, and that&#8217;s where we&#8217;re at right now.</p>
<p>Maybe the only thing we can do living in the perpetual Saturday is exactly what the disciples did that day: huddle together and wait. I&#8217;ve snuggled my kids a lot more since the election, I know that. I don&#8217;t know what they might have to see before they get to go Home.</p>
<p>It bothers me to see those who were pulling together for McCain at each other&#8217;s throats now. I know that&#8217;s a normal art of grieving. We lost two children and I understand that about 80% of couples don&#8217;t survive the death of a child. Men and women just grieve so differently. </p>
<p>I think a lot of us today are grieving, complete with denial, anger, guilt, isolation &#8211; all that goes along with grieving. But more than anything I think we need to hold each other close because all we&#8217;ve got in an earthly sense is each other.</p>
<p>As things get worse in America in the near future, others will be realizing what&#8217;s happened. They will begin to grieve also and they&#8217;re going to need us too.</p>
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		<title>By: jim m</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/comment-page-2/#comment-1661800</link>
		<dc:creator>jim m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, I&#039;m married to a nurse.  I do believe you should be required to participate in post-abortion care or lose your license.

We just disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, I&#8217;m married to a nurse.  I do believe you should be required to participate in post-abortion care or lose your license.</p>
<p>We just disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: pannw</title>
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		<dc:creator>pannw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, President Bush.  God bless you for all you have done and tried to do for the unborn and the rights of people of Faith.  

If this makes it harder for Obama to pass the FOCA, and he has to fight for it, and choses to do so, it will show all those &quot;pro-life&quot; Catholic Obama supporters just how much they deluded themselves.  I wonder how many will then be moved to avail themselves of the needed sacrament of Penance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, President Bush.  God bless you for all you have done and tried to do for the unborn and the rights of people of Faith.  </p>
<p>If this makes it harder for Obama to pass the FOCA, and he has to fight for it, and choses to do so, it will show all those &#8220;pro-life&#8221; Catholic Obama supporters just how much they deluded themselves.  I wonder how many will then be moved to avail themselves of the needed sacrament of Penance.</p>
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		<title>By: gippergal1984</title>
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		<dc:creator>gippergal1984</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Z on November 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM

You&#039;re right here, Steve.

Obama is a radical by heart but an incrementalist by political tactic. Check out his work in the State Senate. All the funding he ever got started out small and noncontroversial, always harmless looking enough to get Republicans on board...

But Obama knows that once government programs are established, not only can&#039;t you eliminate them, neglecting to fund them at the same percentage increase per year attracts negative attention so often these things just won&#039;t die.

He&#039;ll take the same approach to baby killing. Too incremental for anyone to take a stand, or perhaps even notice...

unless it&#039;s codified and it&#039;s too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Z on November 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right here, Steve.</p>
<p>Obama is a radical by heart but an incrementalist by political tactic. Check out his work in the State Senate. All the funding he ever got started out small and noncontroversial, always harmless looking enough to get Republicans on board&#8230;</p>
<p>But Obama knows that once government programs are established, not only can&#8217;t you eliminate them, neglecting to fund them at the same percentage increase per year attracts negative attention so often these things just won&#8217;t die.</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll take the same approach to baby killing. Too incremental for anyone to take a stand, or perhaps even notice&#8230;</p>
<p>unless it&#8217;s codified and it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		<title>By: gippergal1984</title>
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		<dc:creator>gippergal1984</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>milwife88 on November 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Me too. I don&#039;t have any kids yet, and I really would like to, but between the prospect of giving birth in a government run hospital and sending them into indoctrination centers as opposed to schools...

I don&#039;t know if I want to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>milwife88 on November 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM</p>
<p>Me too. I don&#8217;t have any kids yet, and I really would like to, but between the prospect of giving birth in a government run hospital and sending them into indoctrination centers as opposed to schools&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I want to try.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat in NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim m

I applaud the nurse for taking her moral stand. This was a right I was taught as a student in nursing in the 1950s in a protestant hospital school. I am tired of giving up my moral right because the government says someone else has a right that trumps mine. I am tired of being told I am intolerant because somebody has a legal right to choose but I have none. If the woman who aborted got into a life threatening situation I would intervene and give the needed emergency care, but I would (and did)refuse to take part in pre abortion, abortion and routine post abortion care. I became a nurse because I have reverance for life. Do not take my moral rights from me and demean me for what I believe if you expect respect in return. If you need a nurse someday, you may get the kind you admire-one without any moral clarity and who does not care that much about life. You might truly be better off with a nurse who takes life as something to protect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim m</p>
<p>I applaud the nurse for taking her moral stand. This was a right I was taught as a student in nursing in the 1950s in a protestant hospital school. I am tired of giving up my moral right because the government says someone else has a right that trumps mine. I am tired of being told I am intolerant because somebody has a legal right to choose but I have none. If the woman who aborted got into a life threatening situation I would intervene and give the needed emergency care, but I would (and did)refuse to take part in pre abortion, abortion and routine post abortion care. I became a nurse because I have reverance for life. Do not take my moral rights from me and demean me for what I believe if you expect respect in return. If you need a nurse someday, you may get the kind you admire-one without any moral clarity and who does not care that much about life. You might truly be better off with a nurse who takes life as something to protect.</p>
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		<title>By: Corsair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corsair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If life means nothing, if truth means nothing, and all the foundations of freedom are gone, what do you have left?

justincase on November 19, 2008 at 4:30 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
   You still have God, and his son.   This is what sustains me when my country is all loaded into a handbasket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If life means nothing, if truth means nothing, and all the foundations of freedom are gone, what do you have left?</p>
<p>justincase on November 19, 2008 at 4:30 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>   You still have God, and his son.   This is what sustains me when my country is all loaded into a handbasket.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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