FWIW: If you’ve never a dog in the fight, everything you say is urine in the wind.

Important points made here: 1. There is no way to end a war but through victory or defeat. Defeat is embraced through various forms of nuanced language, such as “end it,” “honorable withdrawal” and “redeploy.” Victory requires no such trickery……

benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM

So you deny being a liberal?

What,are the words to big for you liberal.
Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 8:23 AM

I swear, you can’t make this stuff up!

Mission almost accomplished

Bush will look amazing in 20 yrs

John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 11:59 AM

After what this man has been through, I hope he lives long enough to see it.

Bush will look amazing in 20 yrs

Point is, while it is tragic that we lose any soldiers at all, taken in a historical perspective, the casualties in Iraq have been pretty minimal. We’re about a tenth of what Vietnam or the Korean war were, and about on average for most of the past 30 years of mostly peacetime military casualties.

aelhues on November 20, 2008 at 9:56 AM

I agree with your position, but this data has always troubled me.

How the heck did Carter, Clinton and Reagan acquire comparable numbers of casualties without a war?

Think about what no SOFA would mean just for a minute. 100k+ troops & equipment in Iraq. Unlawfully. Physically impossible to do it quick enough. Arab “outrage”. They’ll have Obama by the short and curleys.

Gulp.

I knew immediately out of your excellent post that benny would pull out and address only your spelling error. Roads = Rhodes Scholar.

That’s all he’s got. Can’t address the content. No, then he might actually get caught in his own fantasies. Weak tea that he is…

Thousands of Iraqis demonstrate supporting security pact with US

No, that does not take you to the Rick Roll youtube…

4,200 dead American soldiers.
Roughly 300 “coalition” deaths.

Victory? Hardly!

dk on November 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Please provide casualty counts for the US Military victories you approve of.

and lord knows

Lord should always be capitalized when you’re talking about God, allah.

Clearly America has won the war when politicians are more concerned about spinning and positioning themselves for future power struggles than they are about keeping from being blown up.

One thing I am waiting for is the effects of the left in using the war as a political tool to stab our Soldiers in the back and sell out our country for political gain,they
have created an atmosphere of “America is a war criminal,the
war is illegal,blood for oil,Bush is a terrorist.”

Now that we have brought Freedom and a representative government,I am waiting for Iraq and the UN to now demand “reparations” from America for a supposed illegal invasion and war crimes.

Check out this story from Iraq:

Someone Must Be Held Accountable for the War in Iraq
http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/40271
20 November 2008 ( )
The Iraqi people’s human and civil rights were – and remain -swept aside by the acts of war and the continuing fact of occupation, notes Burhan Al-Chalabi.

Today, Iraq’s sovereignty has been destroyed. Its wealth of cultural heritage has been looted or vandalised. Iraq’s natural resources have been squandered, and its once-elaborate and sophisticated infrastructure has been laid to waste. Safety, security, and the processes of the rule of law are virtually non-existent. The legal and moral authority of the UN has been undermined. Terrorism is on the increase. The whole Middle East region has either been destabilised or is as a result of the chaos in Iraq at high risk of instability or even meltdown. To all intents and purposes Southern Iraq is under the control of the Tehran Government, an outcome that many familiar with the region foresaw as talk of an invasion mounted in 2002 but the Bush White House and its associated agencies somehow failed to anticipate.

To get rid of one man, the two Anglo-American powers have brought an entire nation to the brink of devastation. This man, Saddam Hussein, was not at war with the US or the UK, and could not realistically have posed a threat, at any level. He was not even considered any longer, in 2002, to be a serious threat to his Arab and Persian neighbours. Neither did Iraq pose any threat to American or British national interests or security, as it has since been proved to the satisfaction of all but a few of the most die-hard and tunnel-visioned supporters of the failed Bush regime and the departed Mr. Blair.

Iraq is a failed state. For Iraqis, life is hell. Things worsen by the day. Secular Iraq had made great strides in improving the lot of all of its people in the 1960s, 70s and 80s, in all social and economic areas. Sectarian Iraq is the most corrupt nation in the world, a perfect export model of US political hypocrisy in action.

You getting this.Iraq was a peaceful utopia before big ol’bad Bush crushed through with his imperialistic allies.

Michael Moore and Ariana Huffington could not have done a better job of ignorant cut and paste propaganda as this.

The call for reparations,international condemnation,perpetual victimhood is on the way with the code pink/moveon crowd leading the way.

…and Obama is proven very wrong on his Iraq strategy of ‘cut and run’.

Terrye on November 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM

You are asking him to take current facts,combine them with historical reference,and then come to a logical conclusion which would ultimately lead to decisive action.

Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for a liberal.

Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 AM

Road scholar? Let me guess… you <3 Sarah P!

benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 AM

What,are the words to big for you liberal.

I don’t have to guess,you are the typical useful idiot who can’t back up any of his leftist drivel.

Now back on your knees and keep chanting “Obama,Obama,Obama”

By the way,how’s that impeachment going genius?

It is your turn. Your guy will be making the decisions. He will try to blame Bush, but that will only last for so long and then he will have to do something other than point fingers and flap his gums.

BTW, speaking of blaming people: Imagine how different Bush’s tenure in office might have been if Clinton had resolved the standoff with Saddam himself instead of making regime change our national policy and then kicking the can down the road. Imagine how different things might have been if Clinton had killed Osama and the rest of his AlQaida compadres back when the organization was just beginning. Imagine how different things might have been if community organizers like Obama had not sued banks in discrimination suits for failing to give mortgages to low income people. Imagine how different things would be today if Clinton had not changed Fannie Mae rules so that it would buy up those bad loans.

Every president inherits problems. The tough part is dealing with them. I just have not seen anything in Obama thus far that gives me confidence. I think he is a big fat phony.

What is with the gulp? I heard that the pact will probably be passed by the Iraqi parliament by the end of the month…and if it is not, then that is the Iraqis’ problem I guess.

I think this is as close to victory as we will come right now. Only the passage of several years without major upheaval will tell us for sure that it really is victory.

That Dana is freaking smooookin’