benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 1:02 AM

You call it a ‘bonehead’ move because you still don’t understand it!
He was trying to explain what I explained to you- that it never was a pronouncement that the war was over. Unfortunately he has to waste time explaining to folks like yourself who understand nothing about military missions and strategy and want America to fail no matter what is explained to you, just to spite Bush.
No war can be run by the book in an entirely efficient manner- I agree there were mistakes, in large part because of the rules of engagement- can’t you recognize success when it’s right in front of you? Along with 90% of the network news you probably listen to- who have been awful silent regarding Iraq the last few months- wonder why?
Geez….
I give up.

Boomslang on November 20, 2008 at 1:39 AM

benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Yea Benney,you liberals are just soooooo smaaaaart:

“It happens to be,as Barrack Obama said,a three letter word
JOBS…J-O-B-S”
Joe Biden,October 16,2008

“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed,” Biden told Couric. “He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’”

How ignorant is this statement? Let me count the ways:
1.Franklin Roosevelt didn’t become president in 1929 during the crash. He won the 1932 election and took office in 1933, largely because of the 1929 crash and the incompetent protectionist policies that transformed it into a Great Depression.
2.If FDR and President Herbert Hoover didn’t talk about the “princes of greed” in 1929, by the time FDR took over, that kind of populist rhetoric had certainly taken root. FDR greatly escalated the scope of federal government to institute the kind of redistributionism that Obama and Biden now champion.
3.If Hoover or FDR appeared on television in 1929 or even 1933, only a few hundred people would have seen it. Television was still an experimental medium and wouldn’t be introduced to the public for at least another decade.

Whoaa!! everybody hold on and listen to the liberal genius of the democratic Senate.

And here is a real good one for all the super smart anti-war
liberals that voted for Obama/Biden:

Hard Choices for America’s Future: Strategic Opportunities for a New Century

But we can’t seem to talk about what comes next without talking about Iraq. It’s obvious we must end the reign of Saddam Hussein. It would be unrealistic, if not downright foolish, to believe we can claim victory in the war on terrorism if Saddam is still in power.
– Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in Remarks On Saddam Hussein At The Center For Strategic And International Studies Forum, Washington, D.C., February 4, 2002

And of course Mr. Biden voted for the War in Iraq.

Whoaaa there,didn’t Obama say that the Iraq war was the worst foreign policy disaster in modern history.
So let me make my running mate a man who said Saddam had WMD/ties to al-qaeda and pushed as hard for the war as any Republican.
Now that’s real intelligence,if..you know..like..don’t have
a freaking clue what hell you are talking about.

Like watching you liberals drive around in your cars for 4 years with you “War is not the Answer” bumper stickers right
beside your “Kerry/Edwards 04″ bumper stickers.
Two guys that voted for the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan.

Yea Benney,you liberals are just soooooo smaaaaart.

Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 1:47 AM

Make that 4,201 (and 4,062 since “Mission Accomplished).

Oh… and 30,000 wounded.

benny shakar on November 19, 2008 at 9:50 PM

There were three times as many U.S. troops killed in the invasion of Okinawa.

Johan Klaus on November 20, 2008 at 1:50 AM

benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Your failed community organizer is a real intellectual genius also:

“I don’t think I have a place in history yet. I got elected to the U.S. Senate. I haven’t done anything yet.”
Barack Obama,Press conference 2005

He has accomplished little to nothing between then and now

In a revealing slip in an interview with ABC recently, Mr. Obama said, “If we’re going to ask questions about who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily.”

At least he tells the truth sometimes.

Obama: I want to be president of all 57 states

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

Only an absolute idiot would vote for this moron.

If the President Had Said This, It Would Have Been a Bushism
“You know, it’s always a bad practice to say ‘always’ or ‘never.’” — Obama, speaking in Amman today.

Barack Obama opens up his Memorial Day speech in Las Cruces, New Mexico:
On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today – our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
Let’s hope that he didn’t see any fallen heroes in the audience!

Yea benny,a real road scholar you got there.

Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.

Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”

Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was “speaking metaphorically about the civil-rights movement as a whole.”

But..But….But he speaks so well

Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.

Liberals don’t need to worry about the fact their messiah
is a complete idiot,just keep chanting “hope and change,hope and change,hope and change”.

How about Obama’s outstanding intelligence on foreign policy:

“Let me be absolutely clear,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said today at a press conference in Amman, Jordan. “Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s. It will be a strong friend of Israel’s under a McCain…administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel’s under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change.”

Dude!!

” countries like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union,they don’t pose the same serious threat.”

Iran,the largest sponser of terrorism in the world,on the
cusp of acquiring a nuclear weapon,and pledged to the destruction of Isreal.
Korea already has nuclear weapons,selling them and their technology to rouge nations and threating to use them every other month are a “tiny”threat.

Absolutely unfit for command.

But when faced with the only real important decision of his American Idol career,this is what the super intelligent Obama said about the policy that has won the war in Iraq:

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, on January 10 2007 predicted that the surge of troops in Iraq would fail. “I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there,” he told MSNBC. “In fact, I think it will do the reverse.”
Four days later he told CBS’s Face the Nation that “we cannot impose a military solution on what has effectively become a civil war. And until we acknowledge that reality — we can send 15,000 more troops, 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops, I don’t know any expert on the region or any military officer that I’ve spoken to privately that believes that that is going to make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.”

Benny,you are just an ignorant liberal idiot bowing down in
the People’s temple of Obama.

It is going to be hilarious watching you and your cultist friends spinning and making excuses for the next 4 years when your messiah doesn’t come through with all the “hope and change” you idiots have been chanting for the last year and half.

Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 AM

Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 AM

Road scholar? Let me guess… you <3 Sarah P!

benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 AM

benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 AM

Let me guess……………… idiot?

……… and I am here, too you gutless piece of fecal matter!

Seven Percent Solution on November 20, 2008 at 3:45 AM

You can stick a fork in Iraq.

That Dana is freaking smooookin’

TheSitRep on November 20, 2008 at 6:15 AM

benny:

It is your turn. Your guy will be making the decisions. He will try to blame Bush, but that will only last for so long and then he will have to do something other than point fingers and flap his gums.

BTW, speaking of blaming people: Imagine how different Bush’s tenure in office might have been if Clinton had resolved the standoff with Saddam himself instead of making regime change our national policy and then kicking the can down the road. Imagine how different things might have been if Clinton had killed Osama and the rest of his AlQaida compadres back when the organization was just beginning. Imagine how different things might have been if community organizers like Obama had not sued banks in discrimination suits for failing to give mortgages to low income people. Imagine how different things would be today if Clinton had not changed Fannie Mae rules so that it would buy up those bad loans.

Every president inherits problems. The tough part is dealing with them. I just have not seen anything in Obama thus far that gives me confidence. I think he is a big fat phony.

Terrye on November 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM

Terrye on November 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM

You are asking him to take current facts,combine them with historical reference,and then come to a logical conclusion which would ultimately lead to decisive action.

Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for a liberal.

Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 8:30 AM

The agreement will be passed by Iraq’s parliment,but it appears the nuance that is being injected is that it must pass
by a “large majority”.
Sistani has signed on with his blessing,but he stated that it
must pass with a significant majority.
This is clearly leaving doors open for disagreement and political spin and positioning later.

Clearly America has won the war when politicians are more concerned about spinning and positioning themselves for future power struggles than they are about keeping from being blown up.

One thing I am waiting for is the effects of the left in using the war as a political tool to stab our Soldiers in the back and sell out our country for political gain,they
have created an atmosphere of “America is a war criminal,the
war is illegal,blood for oil,Bush is a terrorist.”

Now that we have brought Freedom and a representative government,I am waiting for Iraq and the UN to now demand “reparations” from America for a supposed illegal invasion and war crimes.

Check out this story from Iraq:

Someone Must Be Held Accountable for the War in Iraq
http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/40271
20 November 2008 ( )
The Iraqi people’s human and civil rights were - and remain -swept aside by the acts of war and the continuing fact of occupation, notes Burhan Al-Chalabi.

Today, Iraq’s sovereignty has been destroyed. Its wealth of cultural heritage has been looted or vandalised. Iraq’s natural resources have been squandered, and its once-elaborate and sophisticated infrastructure has been laid to waste. Safety, security, and the processes of the rule of law are virtually non-existent. The legal and moral authority of the UN has been undermined. Terrorism is on the increase. The whole Middle East region has either been destabilised or is as a result of the chaos in Iraq at high risk of instability or even meltdown. To all intents and purposes Southern Iraq is under the control of the Tehran Government, an outcome that many familiar with the region foresaw as talk of an invasion mounted in 2002 but the Bush White House and its associated agencies somehow failed to anticipate.

To get rid of one man, the two Anglo-American powers have brought an entire nation to the brink of devastation. This man, Saddam Hussein, was not at war with the US or the UK, and could not realistically have posed a threat, at any level. He was not even considered any longer, in 2002, to be a serious threat to his Arab and Persian neighbours. Neither did Iraq pose any threat to American or British national interests or security, as it has since been proved to the satisfaction of all but a few of the most die-hard and tunnel-visioned supporters of the failed Bush regime and the departed Mr. Blair.

Iraq is a failed state. For Iraqis, life is hell. Things worsen by the day. Secular Iraq had made great strides in improving the lot of all of its people in the 1960s, 70s and 80s, in all social and economic areas. Sectarian Iraq is the most corrupt nation in the world, a perfect export model of US political hypocrisy in action.

You getting this.Iraq was a peaceful utopia before big ol’bad Bush crushed through with his imperialistic allies.

Michael Moore and Ariana Huffington could not have done a better job of ignorant cut and paste propaganda as this.

The call for reparations,international condemnation,perpetual victimhood is on the way with the code pink/moveon crowd leading the way.

Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 8:55 AM

4,200 dead American soldiers.
Roughly 300 “coalition” deaths.

Victory? Hardly!

dk on November 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Please provide casualty counts for the US Military victories you approve of.

Thune on November 20, 2008 at 9:15 AM

American Revolutionary War 8,000
War of 1812 2,260
Mexican–American War 1,733
Civil War: 212,938
Indian Wars 919
Philippine–American War 1,020
World War I 53,402
World War II 291,557
Korean War 33,746
Vietnam War 47,424
Afghanistan* 413
Iraq War 3,661

aelhues on November 20, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Baxter

I knew immediately out of your excellent post that benny would pull out and address only your spelling error. Roads = Rhodes Scholar.

That’s all he’s got. Can’t address the content. No, then he might actually get caught in his own fantasies. Weak tea that he is…

JAM on November 20, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Data for Iraq and Afghanistan above was a year old…
Carter:
1980-2,392
Reagan: 1st term, 9163 2nd term, 8038
1981-2,380…..1982-2,319…..1983-2,465….1984-1,999….1985-2,252….1986-1,984…..1987-1,983….1988-1,819
HW Bush: 6223
1989-1,636…..1990-1,507…..1991-1,787….1992-1,293
Clint: 1st term, 4320 2nd term, 3198
1993-1,213….1994-1,075…..1995-1,040….1996-974….1997-817….1998-827….1999-796….2000-758
GW Bush: 1st term, 4992
2001-891….2002-999….2003-1,228….2004-1,874….2005-1,942….2006-1,858
5 years of the Iraq war: 4,119

aelhues on November 20, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Gulp is right.

Think about what no SOFA would mean just for a minute. 100k+ troops & equipment in Iraq. Unlawfully. Physically impossible to do it quick enough. Arab “outrage”. They’ll have Obama by the short and curleys.

Gulp.

Darth Odie on November 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Mission almost accomplished

Bush will look amazing in 20 yrs

John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 11:59 AM

What,are the words to big for you liberal.
Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 8:23 AM

I swear, you can’t make this stuff up!

benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Everyone’s afraid of the V-word. Congrats, Liberals.

FWIW: If you’ve never a dog in the fight, everything you say is urine in the wind.

tuffy on November 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM