Perino: Conditions in Iraq now amount to victory
posted at 9:29 pm on November 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
Or, to be more precise, “the victory that we’ve had so far.” Much depends on those last two words, needless to say. I appreciate the spirit of the blogburst Zombie’s organizing for Saturday, and lord knows he/she has plenty of credible milblogger opinion to support the argument, but five years of having to wear the “Mission Accomplished” albatross around our necks is enough to make me blanch forevermore at declarations of victory, especially when Petraeus himself has vowed never to use the word. How about, in lieu of Victory in Iraq Day, we celebrate Tremendous Progress in Iraq that Almost No One Thought Possible, Least of All Our Modern-Day Lincoln Day instead?
Speaking of Lincoln, the relentlessly anti-war McClatchy is dumping all over the new security pact but read this WaPo story from yesterday to see how much easier it makes things for The One. He gets his timetable after all — with Bush’s name on the dotted line and, just maybe, Bush’s defense secretary to see it through. Click the image to watch.
Update: Did I neglect to mention that the pact still needs to be approved by the Iraqi parliament? Gulp.











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You call it a ‘bonehead’ move because you still don’t understand it!
He was trying to explain what I explained to you- that it never was a pronouncement that the war was over. Unfortunately he has to waste time explaining to folks like yourself who understand nothing about military missions and strategy and want America to fail no matter what is explained to you, just to spite Bush.
No war can be run by the book in an entirely efficient manner- I agree there were mistakes, in large part because of the rules of engagement- can’t you recognize success when it’s right in front of you? Along with 90% of the network news you probably listen to- who have been awful silent regarding Iraq the last few months- wonder why?
Geez….
I give up.
Boomslang on November 20, 2008 at 1:39 AM
There were more casualties in the Normandy invasion than the entire time that we have been in Iraq.
Johan Klaus on November 20, 2008 at 1:44 AM
Yea Benney,you liberals are just soooooo smaaaaart:
“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed,” Biden told Couric. “He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’”
Whoaa!! everybody hold on and listen to the liberal genius of the democratic Senate.
And here is a real good one for all the super smart anti-war
liberals that voted for Obama/Biden:
Hard Choices for America’s Future: Strategic Opportunities for a New Century
And of course Mr. Biden voted for the War in Iraq.
Whoaaa there,didn’t Obama say that the Iraq war was the worst foreign policy disaster in modern history.
So let me make my running mate a man who said Saddam had WMD/ties to al-qaeda and pushed as hard for the war as any Republican.
Now that’s real intelligence,if..you know..like..don’t have
a freaking clue what hell you are talking about.
Like watching you liberals drive around in your cars for 4 years with you “War is not the Answer” bumper stickers right
beside your “Kerry/Edwards 04″ bumper stickers.
Two guys that voted for the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan.
Yea Benney,you liberals are just soooooo smaaaaart.
Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Not to mention more casualties in Chicago, USA per month than Iraq for the last two or three.
Boomslang on November 20, 2008 at 1:48 AM
There were three times as many U.S. troops killed in the invasion of Okinawa.
Johan Klaus on November 20, 2008 at 1:50 AM
There were more U.S. troops killed at Iwo Jima.
Johan Klaus on November 20, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Your failed community organizer is a real intellectual genius also:
He has accomplished little to nothing between then and now
At least he tells the truth sometimes.
Obama: I want to be president of all 57 states
Only an absolute idiot would vote for this moron.
Yea benny,a real road scholar you got there.
But..But….But he speaks so well
Liberals don’t need to worry about the fact their messiah
is a complete idiot,just keep chanting “hope and change,hope and change,hope and change”.
How about Obama’s outstanding intelligence on foreign policy:
Dude!!
Iran,the largest sponser of terrorism in the world,on the
cusp of acquiring a nuclear weapon,and pledged to the destruction of Isreal.
Korea already has nuclear weapons,selling them and their technology to rouge nations and threating to use them every other month are a “tiny”threat.
Absolutely unfit for command.
But when faced with the only real important decision of his American Idol career,this is what the super intelligent Obama said about the policy that has won the war in Iraq:
Benny,you are just an ignorant liberal idiot bowing down in
the People’s temple of Obama.
It is going to be hilarious watching you and your cultist friends spinning and making excuses for the next 4 years when your messiah doesn’t come through with all the “hope and change” you idiots have been chanting for the last year and half.
Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 AM
You’re flailing.
Jim Treacher on November 20, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Road scholar? Let me guess… you <3 Sarah P!
benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 AM
I’m right here, coward.
Jim Treacher on November 20, 2008 at 3:20 AM
Let me guess……………… idiot?
……… and I am here, too you gutless piece of fecal matter!
Seven Percent Solution on November 20, 2008 at 3:45 AM
Excellent thoughts, Baxter Greene
The trouble is that The One and his “cultist friends” will just blame everyone and everything else for the weak and overtaxed country we shall become.
The second problem is that most Americans have never heard a whisper about the comments and mistakes from The One which you cited above.
And he ran (for President!) against a Republican leader who was accused of being too negative.
IlikedAUH2O on November 20, 2008 at 4:28 AM
You can stick a fork in Iraq.
That Dana is freaking smooookin’
TheSitRep on November 20, 2008 at 6:15 AM
Allah:
What is with the gulp? I heard that the pact will probably be passed by the Iraqi parliament by the end of the month…and if it is not, then that is the Iraqis’ problem I guess.
I think this is as close to victory as we will come right now. Only the passage of several years without major upheaval will tell us for sure that it really is victory.
Terrye on November 20, 2008 at 6:40 AM
benny:
It is your turn. Your guy will be making the decisions. He will try to blame Bush, but that will only last for so long and then he will have to do something other than point fingers and flap his gums.
BTW, speaking of blaming people: Imagine how different Bush’s tenure in office might have been if Clinton had resolved the standoff with Saddam himself instead of making regime change our national policy and then kicking the can down the road. Imagine how different things might have been if Clinton had killed Osama and the rest of his AlQaida compadres back when the organization was just beginning. Imagine how different things might have been if community organizers like Obama had not sued banks in discrimination suits for failing to give mortgages to low income people. Imagine how different things would be today if Clinton had not changed Fannie Mae rules so that it would buy up those bad loans.
Every president inherits problems. The tough part is dealing with them. I just have not seen anything in Obama thus far that gives me confidence. I think he is a big fat phony.
Terrye on November 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM
What,are the words to big for you liberal.
I don’t have to guess,you are the typical useful idiot who can’t back up any of his leftist drivel.
Now back on your knees and keep chanting “Obama,Obama,Obama”
By the way,how’s that impeachment going genius?
Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 8:23 AM
You are asking him to take current facts,combine them with historical reference,and then come to a logical conclusion which would ultimately lead to decisive action.
Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for a liberal.
Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 8:30 AM
Bush WINS!
…and Obama is proven very wrong on his Iraq strategy of ‘cut and run’.
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 8:32 AM
The agreement will be passed by Iraq’s parliment,but it appears the nuance that is being injected is that it must pass
by a “large majority”.
Sistani has signed on with his blessing,but he stated that it
must pass with a significant majority.
This is clearly leaving doors open for disagreement and political spin and positioning later.
Clearly America has won the war when politicians are more concerned about spinning and positioning themselves for future power struggles than they are about keeping from being blown up.
One thing I am waiting for is the effects of the left in using the war as a political tool to stab our Soldiers in the back and sell out our country for political gain,they
have created an atmosphere of “America is a war criminal,the
war is illegal,blood for oil,Bush is a terrorist.”
Now that we have brought Freedom and a representative government,I am waiting for Iraq and the UN to now demand “reparations” from America for a supposed illegal invasion and war crimes.
Check out this story from Iraq:
Someone Must Be Held Accountable for the War in Iraq
http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/40271
20 November 2008 ( )
The Iraqi people’s human and civil rights were – and remain -swept aside by the acts of war and the continuing fact of occupation, notes Burhan Al-Chalabi.
You getting this.Iraq was a peaceful utopia before big ol’bad Bush crushed through with his imperialistic allies.
Michael Moore and Ariana Huffington could not have done a better job of ignorant cut and paste propaganda as this.
The call for reparations,international condemnation,perpetual victimhood is on the way with the code pink/moveon crowd leading the way.
Baxter Greene on November 20, 2008 at 8:55 AM
Lord should always be capitalized when you’re talking about God, allah.
Akzed on November 20, 2008 at 9:00 AM
Please provide casualty counts for the US Military victories you approve of.
Thune on November 20, 2008 at 9:15 AM
I’ve been telling people for months now that we are already in the midst of a withdrawal from Iraq. With all but three provinces, security handed over to Iraqis, I can’t imagine how you could say otherwise. With the Republicans inability to transmit any message, and the Democrats proficiency at twisting, making up, or redacting the news to their own benefit, almost no one knows what is really going on.
Side note for Baxter, it’s “Rhodes Scholar”
aelhues on November 20, 2008 at 9:28 AM
American Revolutionary War 8,000
War of 1812 2,260
Mexican–American War 1,733
Civil War: 212,938
Indian Wars 919
Philippine–American War 1,020
World War I 53,402
World War II 291,557
Korean War 33,746
Vietnam War 47,424
Afghanistan* 413
Iraq War 3,661
aelhues on November 20, 2008 at 9:37 AM
No need to gulp, Allah:
Thousands of Iraqis demonstrate supporting security pact with US
No, that does not take you to the Rick Roll youtube…
Kafir on November 20, 2008 at 9:37 AM
Baxter
I knew immediately out of your excellent post that benny would pull out and address only your spelling error. Roads = Rhodes Scholar.
That’s all he’s got. Can’t address the content. No, then he might actually get caught in his own fantasies. Weak tea that he is…
JAM on November 20, 2008 at 9:40 AM
I just want to thank you for reminding me that the current POTUS press secretary is the hottest to ever stand there and tolerate sheer MSM idiocy.
perroviejo on November 20, 2008 at 9:46 AM
Data for Iraq and Afghanistan above was a year old…
Carter:
1980-2,392
Reagan: 1st term, 9163 2nd term, 8038
1981-2,380…..1982-2,319…..1983-2,465….1984-1,999….1985-2,252….1986-1,984…..1987-1,983….1988-1,819
HW Bush: 6223
1989-1,636…..1990-1,507…..1991-1,787….1992-1,293
Clint: 1st term, 4320 2nd term, 3198
1993-1,213….1994-1,075…..1995-1,040….1996-974….1997-817….1998-827….1999-796….2000-758
GW Bush: 1st term, 4992
2001-891….2002-999….2003-1,228….2004-1,874….2005-1,942….2006-1,858
5 years of the Iraq war: 4,119
aelhues on November 20, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Point is, while it is tragic that we lose any soldiers at all, taken in a historical perspective, the casualties in Iraq have been pretty minimal. We’re about a tenth of what Vietnam or the Korean war were, and about on average for most of the past 30 years of mostly peacetime military casualties.
aelhues on November 20, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Gulp is right.
Think about what no SOFA would mean just for a minute. 100k+ troops & equipment in Iraq. Unlawfully. Physically impossible to do it quick enough. Arab “outrage”. They’ll have Obama by the short and curleys.
Gulp.
Darth Odie on November 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM
I agree with your position, but this data has always troubled me.
How the heck did Carter, Clinton and Reagan acquire comparable numbers of casualties without a war?
Thune on November 20, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Mission almost accomplished
Bush will look amazing in 20 yrs
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 11:59 AM
After what this man has been through, I hope he lives long enough to see it.
Thune on November 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM
I swear, you can’t make this stuff up!
benny shakar on November 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM
So you deny being a liberal?
Jim Treacher on November 20, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Everyone’s afraid of the V-word. Congrats, Liberals.
FWIW: If you’ve never a dog in the fight, everything you say is urine in the wind.
tuffy on November 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM
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