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/sarc

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there are witnesses to his taking communion at his church, which and honorable anti Christian would never do.

entagor on November 21, 2008 at 1:50 PM

We’ve seen Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Rudy Guiliani, etc. all take communion. They are all by their own admission Christians. So is Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, and every president we’ve ever had. So what?

Again, I am wondering if you are at all familiar with the writings of John Locke, the philosopher who most influenced our Founding Fathers? If you had ever read Locke’s “On the Reasonableness of Christianity,” you would know that he espoused a Deist view of Christianity — which was the view shared by most of our Founders. Their Englightenment principles would have been at great odds with contemporary Christian fundamentalism. I am not suggesting that this Deist view of Christianity is correct, I am merely stating the fact that this is what they believed. What’s truly important here is that they did not think their religious beliefs were within the scope of government. They were repelled by the idea of a monarch being the head of the Church of England. They wanted to separate the throne from the altar. And as descendents of Englishmen, they were also rather bigoted in their distaste for what they called “papism” (i.e., Catholicism). However, there were Catholics and Jews among the early colonials; and so despite their personal prejudices, our Founders realized that this new country would be free for men of all faiths. The idea of establishing religious litmus tests for leadership would have been disgusting to these men of the Englightenment. And it should be equally disgusting today.

Nelly lived with the Washingtons for twenty years, from the time of her birth in 1779 until 1799, the year of her marriage and of George Washington’s untimely death. She called George and Martha her “beloved parents whom I loved with so much devotion, to whose unceasing tenderness I was indebted for every good I possessed.”

Nelly was ten years old when Washington was called to the Presidency, and she grew to maturity during his two terms. During that time, she traveled with Washington and walked amidst the great foreign and domestic names of the day. On Washington’s retirement, she returned with the family to Mount Vernon

Jared Sparks wrote to Nelly asking for information on Washington’s faith

She wrote in part:

Truro [Episcopal] Parish is the one in which Mount Vernon, Pohick Church [the church where George Washington served as a vestryman], and Woodlawn [the home of Nelly and Lawrence Lewis] are situated. Fairfax Parish is now Alexandria. Before the Federal District was ceded to Congress, Alexandria was in Fairfax County. General Washington had a pew in Pohick Church, and one in Christ Church at Alexandria. He was very instrumental in establishing Pohick Church, and I believe subscribed [supported and contributed to] largely. His pew was near the pulpit. I have a perfect recollection of being there, before his election to the presidency, with him and my grandmother. It was a beautiful church, and had a large, respectable, and wealthy congregation, who were regular attendants.
He attended the church at Alexandria when the weather and roads permitted a ride of ten miles [a one-way journey of 2-3 hours by horse or carriage]. In New York and Philadelphia he never omitted attendance at church in the morning, unless detained by indisposition [sickness]. The afternoon was spent in his own room at home; the evening with his family, and without company. Sometimes an old and intimate friend called to see us for an hour or two; but visiting and visitors were prohibited for that day [Sunday]. No one in church attended to the services with more reverential respect. My grandmother, who was eminently pious, never deviated from her early habits. She always knelt. The General, as was then the custom, stood during the devotional parts of the service. On communion Sundays, he left the church with me, after the blessing, and returned home, and we sent the carriage back for my grandmother.
It was his custom to retire to his library at nine or ten o’clock where he remained an hour before he went to his chamber. He always rose before the sun and remained in his library until called to breakfast. I never witnessed his private devotions. I never inquired about them. I should have thought it the greatest heresy to doubt his firm belief in Christianity. His life, his writings, prove that he was a Christian. He was not one of those who act or pray, “that they may be seen of men” [Matthew 6:5]. He communed with his God in secret [Matthew 6:6].

Washington was a Mason which does not mean anti Christian. Unless you take him for a fraud and a hypocrite, there are witnesses to his taking communion at his church, which and honorable anti Christian would never do.

Ohhh man. That was hilarious. My side hurts. Seriously!

[F]or those who register as intolerant religious bigots, you can qualify to win a one-way ticket to the island of Patmos – and stay there.

OneVision on November 21, 2008

Wow. I would love to go to Patmos and talk to the monks, but I never liked Journey much. Maybe Quicksilver Messenger Service will come up with a similar offer? Those guys rawked!

Ladies and gentlemen of the journey—exhibit A

John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Journey, huh? Well, goooooooooooooooooood morning, JOURNEY FANS!!!

Feast your eyes on Exhibit B.

That’s right, I’m talking about the new Journey CD entitled Revelation! Now I know that Journey hasn’t been quite the same since Steve Perry left the group, but trust me, these guys can still rock.

Released just in time for the Christmas holiday season – get yours while supplies last!!! And, in the spirit of Revelation, for those who register as intolerant religious bigots, you can qualify to win a one-way ticket to the island of Patmos – and stay there.

Now I’ll wait for the response that South Park is sinful Hollywood propaganda despite the fact that it’s possibly the most conservative show on television.

MadisonConservative on November 21, 2008 at 12:45 AM

I don’t know if it’s the most conservative show on tv, but I do know that that South Park Scientology episode was among the funniest 30 minutes of television I’ve ever seen. You know the one I’m talking about, right? It was freakin’ brilliant!

I’m more of Simpsons fan myself.

John The Baptist on November 21, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Sage advice. I’ve done so, having seen classics such as America: Destroyed By Design, America: Wake Up or Waco, and Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement.

And you know what? I took at least one bit of enlightening information away from each. As a whole, however, they are exploitation flicks used to whip people into tinfoil frenzies about FEMA camps and black helicopters and all the same crap that I’ve been hearing about since I was a child. These same people claimed Clinton was going to declare a national emergency and stay in office for a third term to start the New World Order. When that didn’t happen, eight years later, a bunch of ignorant retards who didn’t learn the first time said Bush would do the same. I intend to hunt them down January 21st and spit my drink in their face.

Take them as entertainment with a chance to learn a bit of verifiable history. The extrapolation and messages involved, however, should be taken no more seriously than a movie with “Cheech and Chong” in the title. If you do take them seriously, you’re an idiot. South Park summed it up perfectly:

Kyle: “Anybody who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy is a retard.”
Cartman: “Oh, really? Well, did you know that over one-fourth of people in America think that 9/11 was a conspiracy? Are you saying that one-fourth of Americans are retards?”
Kyle: “Yes, I’m saying one-fourth of Americans are retards.”
Stan: “Yeah, at least one-fourth.”
Kyle: “Let’s take a test sample. There’s four of us and [points at Cartman] you’re a retard. See? One out of four.”

Now I’ll wait for the response that South Park is sinful Hollywood propaganda despite the fact that it’s possibly the most conservative show on television.

Exposing yourself to other ideas and outlooks is a benefit if done wisely—even if just to reimburse what you already know.

Are you actually making the outrageously false accusation that Father Richard Neuhaus supports abortion and gay marriage? WHAT?! He absolutely does not support either.

ramrocks on November 20, 2008 at 10:25 PM

He has, and always has made the assertion that anyone who isn’t as pious a fundamentalist conspiracy theorist as he is, is obviously not a conservative.

Sounds a lot like someone else. They should be roomies.

Too many today are willing to remove what matters msot in our platform

- “Zeitgeist”

John The Baptist on November 21, 2008 at 12:06 AM

Zeitgeist, the Movie is a 2007 documentary film, produced by Peter Joseph about the Jesus myth, the attacks of 9/11, and the Federal Reserve Bank as well as a number of conspiracy theories related to those three main topics.

LOL ALEX JONES 9/11 TRUTHER NEW WORLD ORDER LOL

You and SaintOlaf must be bosom buddies.

I don’t believe that government should be totally secular and atheist as the Supreme Court has ridiculously mandated. One the other hand, I don’t want the government to favor one religion over another. Government is Caesar, and I think it should go about its business and leave the business of God to God.

That is why it disturbs me when it appears that some people are applying a religious litmus test to Republican candidates. The relevant question in choosing a president is not doctrinal belief but instead moral values coupled with the ability to effectively translate those values into policy. So I don’t care if Romney is Mormon or Huckabee is fundamentalist or Palin is evangelical.

What I care about is whether a candidate regards abortion as constitutional right or instead as a murderous abomination. I care about whether a candidate believes that sexual deviance is entitled to more governmental protection and funding than religious belief. And I care about a candidate’s ability to get elected and whether he has the degree of character necessary to make wise decisions on these issues and stand by his decisions despite the deluge of criticism he will inevitably endure for doing so.

As between Huckabee and Palin, I think that one has shown the courage and character that I’m looking for, and that the other has not. And, for the life of me, I don’t know why the particulars of a candidates doctrinal beliefs should matter in any form of government save in a theocracy.

Palin and even Huck terrify the Left. Fred does too when he is awake.

Why?

Because they are principled social conservatives—

She’s pardoning turkeys; so, I’m sure she’d forgive Huck any real or perceived offense. ;)

My beef is with the neo cons who follow in the Rockafeller mode and distance themselves from social conservatism.

Again, those who are really capitalists first and conservative second, Christian 3rd if at all.

…is as socially conservative as they come, and he’s a major neo-con.

If you support abortion and gay marriage….you are not a social conservative period.

SaintOlaf on November 20, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Are you actually making the outrageously false accusation that Father Richard Neuhaus supports abortion and gay marriage? WHAT?! He absolutely does not support either.