Huckabee: I wish I could have gotten an easy ride to national prominence like Sarah Palin
posted at 5:27 pm on November 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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He’s not saying it critically, mind you. Since when has Huck ever been critical of a rival, overtly or otherwise?
Huckabee had some interesting observations about Sarah Palin, a potential 2012 opponent, suggesting that she didn’t earn her spurs and was more appealing to the base of the party because she hadn’t been scrutinized in the primary.
“What John McCain did for her was to give her the capacity to sort of leapfrog over the process and get right to the center stage,” he said of the GOP’s vice presidential nominee.
Unlike those, he added, who had competed in the Republican primary.
“She didn’t have to get bloodied like us. Few people on that stage didn’t get bloodied.”
He did allow, though, that she did get bloodied — “but not by the people Republicans care about, you guys.”
Fearing that this lament might sound a tad resentful, he went on to stress that he was merely envious, nothing more. Oh, and he also reminded McCain that he blew the race by not opposing the bailout and probably would have lost the nomination to Huck himself if so many state primaries hadn’t been winner take all.
Exit admission: The only thing keeping me blogging through this long, long winter of conservative discontent is the dream of a Huck/Palin death match in 2011 to determine who the one true “Christian leader” is. Followed, of course, by 15 Kathleen Parker columns proclaiming the end of conservatism, and then 15 more describing the resulting hate mail. (Just kidding. She’ll have renounced the right long before then.)
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Dude – you need lay off the peyote.
Jaibones on November 20, 2008 at 8:36 AM
If Huck on any ticket, regardless {Palin, Romney} who-ever, then this guy will stay home again!
This man a camera whore with one-liners looking for a way to line his damn pockets. The Republicans Chuck Schumer.
There never will be a camera too big for these clowns!
try again later on November 20, 2008 at 8:54 AM
Reading this BS makes me understand why the wack job far left WINS and we lose… THEY DO NOT EAT THIER OWN, heck they did not eat “Dollar” Bill Jeffers, he WON AGAIN, the do not eat JOHN EDWARDS, he’s making BIG money talking, they did not eat Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Kenedy… Ray Nagen WON AGAIN… THEY STICK WITH THEM NO MATTER… and they WIN, time and time again. Conservatives, but mostly RHINO’s throw folks under the bus, hate on Palin, hate on Mitt, hate on Huck… ALL CONSERVATIVES are getting bashed… Hate on Newt, Hannity… WTF are we doing??? IDIOTS!!!
Stupid Republicans, like here at HA, kill each other, hate on morons like Dowd, D.Frum and others, instead of TALKING POLICIES that can and will WIN ELECTIONS! Throw ALL the RHINO’s out, purge the so called coloumnists / talking heads from “our” side and get fresh new faces to ARTICULATE THE MESSAGE of Freedom, Gun Rights, English Language, Marriage, Family, Tax Cuts, Prop Rights, Energy (coal industry), Strong Military and Stopping Illeagles…
Until we do this, we are dead… Unite and FIGHT or keep up the garbage side note discussions and LOSE!!!
Your choice…
Mark Garnett on November 20, 2008 at 9:10 AM
He thinks she had an easy ride???????? What an absolute ass!
ErinF on November 20, 2008 at 9:26 AM
Geochelone on November 19, 2008 at 5:59 PM
As a woman, that should really offend me but I laughed out loud.
gippergal1984 on November 20, 2008 at 9:37 AM
Sarah Palin was plucked out of Nowhere, Alaska, and dumped onto the international stage. She uprooted her family and toured the country as the choice for republican VP. She did a great job at energizing the party, and she handled herself extremely well. She was the subject of satire, ridicule, and innuendo, yet she rose above it all with dignity. She drew large crowds and record numbers when she appeared. And she looked GREAT the entire time.
Huckabee, on the other hand, did not garner the same admiration as Sarah. Boo-hoo. This is a man who just doesn’t know if the Earth is older than 6,000 years. He’s not sure if it was created in 6 days, either. He just doesn’t know. Now before anyone jumps on me for attacking his faith, relax. I’m not attacking his faith, I’m questioning his intelligence. ‘The Views’ Sherri Shepherd publicly stated that she wasn’t sure if the Earth was round, and I’m sure many of you thought the woman was batsh|t stupid.
………..so how is Huckabee any different?
guitarguy on November 20, 2008 at 9:38 AM
“IT’S THE MESSAGE STUPID”, should be Conservatives moto / slogan going forward… It’s not about the messengaer…
Message:
Real Tax Cuts ( Capital Gains to grow jobs )
Prop Rights ( Protection of YOUR home )
Education ( Stopping the dumbing down, brainwashing )
American Pride ( Screw what other Countries think of us )
Closing the Border ( Illegal Imigration, *look at OK. )
Marriage Protection ( Stopping Gay Activisiam )
Free Markets & Trade ( Stopping Union Thugs )
Energy ( Drill, baby Drill… MORE Coal / Nuclear )
Education ( Competition / Vouchers / Stop the NEA )
Gun Rights ( Stop Restrictive Laws / Allow Freedoms )
SMALLER GOV, STATES RIGHTS, SPENDING CUTS & VALUES!!!
Until we get ON MESSAGE, figure on the far left continuing to kick our butts by lying and with the blessing of the MSM.
Strong voices only need apply…
Otherwise, NO COMPROMISES, NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER!!!
Mark Garnett on November 20, 2008 at 9:49 AM
It’s a little thing called ‘Character’. You, Huck, have none
PappaMac on November 20, 2008 at 9:56 AM
I wish you could get an easy ride right on back to Arkansas. Loser.
uncalheels on November 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Well IF it was not for the tax man coming and stealing all of my money I would be rich! If, if, if. If a frog had wings he would not bump his butt so much! The primaries need to be closed so we do not have any crossing over that opens things up to tampering with the nominee. Not change it so it is not a winner take all scenario.
This man has not said one nice thing about anyone other than McCain and that should be a clue as to what we would like to do with him regarding his future in the party. What part of SHUT THE HUCK UP! did this ego maniac not get?
Huckahu Akbar strikes again! Mr. Negativity! I could feel the steel cage death match coming. I hope Sarah does a Jesse Jackson on him! I am fed up with this phony!
This has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with the fact that Akbahr IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
freeus on November 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Beck sums this guy up best
… Forces of evil on a bozo nightmare …
Soy un perdedor
Y-not on November 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM
It’s becoming clearer every day that the Dems have no clue as how to run a country. The Clinton retreads will fail and by then I would hope that we will be done with Huck, McCain, and the rest of the RINOS as the loosers they are. The Conservative message is starting to take shape as the Dems struggle with how to fix this mess. I just hope we can all survive because it will get worse after Jan. 20. This is their mess and they can’t get it done. FDR couldn’t either. Do you have confidence in Obama’s choices? I sure don’t. The Conservative message is the only one that is of Hope. I am beginning to see the Change to Conservative principals being a really good platform even before the man takes office. The loyal opposition must start to form. The RINOS will have to join in to save the country and themselves. Go Sarah! She knows what to do. So does Romney. All this talk about how not ready Palin is, is just ridiculous. She has the instincts as to what makes this country great. She can articulate it and does. Watch how the money will roll in when she goes out to speak. Her message will be the tonic we need to get this country back on track. I just hope she sees this as the crack in the door that God has shown her. We need her desparately and even more so as time goes by. Now that she is free of McCain, she is going to shine.
BetseyRoss on November 20, 2008 at 10:41 AM
No one makes me laugh quite like you do with your snarky commentary and ironic foresights Allah. You rock. Thanks for the laugh.
I think we need a celebrity death match episode (anyone remember that show on mtv?) with Palin and Huck.
That would be. EPIC.
One Angry Christian on November 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Huckabee is such an embarrassment to bass players everywhere. What a freakin’ dunce! You’re one of the guys who sneaks up on your opponent just before a race, smiles, and jabs a shiv in his achilles, you lame POS!
AubieJon on November 20, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Since there are already 510 comments on this thread, let me be the 511th person to tell Huckaloser
to SHUT THE FRELL UP and GO TAKE A HIKE somewhere far, far away.
Always Right on November 20, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Yeah, you’re not attacking his faith…you’re just saying that he and 5.5 billion other people alive(and countless billions of people throughout history) are complete idiots for believing their faith and not buying the unscientific propaganda that a small cabal of masonic “scientists”/”theologians” tell you to believe.
Great.
Now those same masonic “scientists”/”theologians” are telling you that the world will be destroyed by Global Warming in a few years if we don’t pay a global tax to the U.N.. Is he an idiot for not believing that either?
Not only are you a gullible fool..you are a vile and offensive bigot.
Sarah Palin believes the same thing as Huck about this..aren’t you going to call her batsh|t stupid too, or did your boss at DailyKos tell you to leave her alone today?
SaintOlaf on November 20, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Almost supported this guy in the primaries… now I wish he’d just make like Messiah’s campaign promises and disappear…
ReformedAndDangerous on November 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Me thinks Sarahcuda would have bloodied quite a few noses in the process, including Huckabee’s.
Is Huckabee suffering from vagina envy?
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Well said SaintOlaf
but very few here…hear.
Most are conservative only when it applies to them keeping whats there—otherwise they arent. Conservatism is character based—it is principles in practice. RINO’s and neo-cons are conservative because they are capitalsits and not vice versa, hence they are NOT true conservatives.
the voice of one crying int he wilderness…….
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 11:32 AM
it is interesting to hear folks hate on Huck for some of the very same reasons they like Palin LOL
Huck just pointed out the obvious and they crucify him.
Shows who is really jealous and bitter.
Even the Pajamas ad on the right has him and Michelle as spokespersons for conservatism.
Some here are honest—thye just dont like the guy. Fine- your perogative. But dont pretend its politcal —it’spersonal—you hate fundamentlists. (unless they are Palin)
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Poor Huck, he wants to fit in so bad…but he can’t. His record haunts him, his record of taxes, being easy on violent criminals, border, he tries so hard.
Back to the pulpit Huck, you are great there…but don’t ever try to run a government again, we don’t need you.
right2bright on November 20, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Does anyone see Huckabee’s envy of Palin’s avoidance of the primary process as simply whining. This is always his complaint. Poor me, I don’t have money, I was born to poverty, I had to campaign in a rough primary, I didn’t go to ivy league schools, its not my fault I raised taxes, …this is his meme. Whine, whine, whine! Mike, listen to me, you need to stop this whining. Its not working for you. Its unbecoming and just makes you look like a spoiled child who is ungrateful for your blessings. We aren’t looking for a politician who thinks life is unfair. We need a leader who knows how to take what life gives him and rise above it.
Lori on November 20, 2008 at 11:43 AM
True conservatives don’t tax others in order to get them to adopt certain behaviors. Liberals do, and Huckabee did.
You don’t know what a “true conservative”, or you would acknowledge this.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 11:45 AM
…and how have your ‘true conservative’ candidates fared recently in Presidential elections?
Uh-huh. Thanks for playing!
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 11:48 AM
I don’t know.
It seems like some people here are too stupid to realize that allapundit here is just smearing Huck by taking a statement out of context.
Anyone more informed than the average obama voter would automatically realize that Huck is always saying positive things about Sarah Palin and that she is an ally of his.
This is not the first time that AP has twisted Hucks words completely out of context.
Like the post about his book. The book wasn’t out, yet they were completely content to slander him based on what they thought was in the book.
I guess actually reading the book first(lightbulb)never occured to him.
SaintOlaf on November 20, 2008 at 11:49 AM
A mainstream Protestant, for lack of a better term, I grew up in an area with a large Mormon community and continue to count many as friends even now, decades later. Most of the Mormon folks I’ve known have been kind, compassionate, hard-working and honest. I have absolutely nothing against anyone’s practice of their faith, whatever their faith might be, and believe it is not for me to say whether a believer in any faith, aside from gnosticism, sundry death worshiping cults, outright devil-worship and like, is going to Heaven or is in accordance with His will. He knows our hearts, after all. I do not believe, however, Mormonism is true–Smith as Prophet and his revelations from Moroni, its teachings regarding New World lost tribes, and so on, but think Mitt Romney can believe in all those things and still be a capable executive and inspiring leader. As Christians, we have been commanded to clear the beam from our own eyes before calling attention to the mote in another’s–an increasingly notorious Huckabee failing, it seems to me. We have also been commanded to love, to endure, to ‘let our light so shine before men that they may see our good works and glorify our Father who is in Heaven’. Which is why, I guess, I like Sarah Palin so much. That Lady walks the walk.
troyriser_gopftw on November 20, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Newsflash: The Earth IS older than 6,000 years.
Update: It took longer than 6 days to create.
…….and this just in: There are a great majority of scientists who believ in a God, yet have no problem accepting/understanding the above stated facts. Their faith and their belief in proven science co-exist quite nicely.
….and I said nothing about global warming. You brought it up so you could make an assumption about me, which allowed you feel justified in insulting me.
The Earth’s climate is changing…as always….but I don’t think mankind is the main cause. See, that hasn’t been proven. But the age of the Earth HAS been proven to be MUCH older than 6,000 years.
….and show me where Sarah Palin believes the 6,000 year/6-day nonsense.
….and you’re probably a christian…..I can tell by the compassion and respect in your reply.
I’m Irish-catholic…..yet you bashed me in your reply.
….Daily Kos? Good-grief, you’re an idiot.
….and what’s the difference between Huckabee and Sherri Shepherd?
guitarguy on November 20, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Ones ‘choice’ of religion is largely dependent upon what religion their parents practiced (unless your name is Obama, of course).
The majority of people keep the faith they were raised to believe in. I think it matters little what their faith is. You judge the person and their personal beliefs beyond a religious context.
There are Mormons that I think have excellent beliefs – others I might question. Same goes for muslims (I don’t capitalize that faith), Buddhists, Catholics, Protestants, Athiests, etc.
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Nice effort, but it’s hopeless. I’ve tried engaging these folks and this is what I’ve learned:
Scientists are religion-bashing atheists. You cannot worship God and subscribe any scientific theory which deviates from a literal interpretation of the bible. Scientific theories carry no weight. And, all disciplines of science are conflated: cosmologists must believe in evolution (and reject God), biologists must believe in global warming (and reject God), and earth scientists must believe in the Big Bang theory (and reject God). Oh, and the Catholic Church tells its followers to not believe in evolution.
ps: I’m a Catholic scientist.
Y-not on November 20, 2008 at 12:14 PM
As someone who spent 10+ years working in the scientific field I agree that the majority of scientists do have a belief in God – and pursuing science as a career does little to sway most people from their faith.
BUT….how do you know that that all this supposed ‘evidence’ that the world is older than 6,000 years isn’t a plan by God?
If you believe in God, surely you would have to believe He is capable of such a scientific ’scam’. Perhaps it is all just an elaborate test of true faith? (which I would fail)
Now, I don’t believe the earth is just 6,000 years old. For lack of a true belief in any religion being ‘the answer’ I am largely an agnostic who generally defaults to Christianity due to my being raised a Christian.
I think faith is a great thing to have, and am very spiritual in my personal wishy washy choice of faith.
…but if you have faith, then I can’t really criticize your beliefs on when earth was ‘created’ regardless of scientific evidence.
I might debate the point – but I would always have to concede the possibility that God is just testing our faith against ’science’.
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 12:22 PM
what a self promoting, uninspiring whiner
enoughalready on November 20, 2008 at 12:24 PM
I thought Kathleen Parker already had renounced the Republicans. I looked upon her as the Dem’s useful idiot.
Huck might have resurrected McCain’s “Straight Talk Express…..”
It is easy to envy another’s success as long as you are not resenting it, and it can be useful if we all learn from it. If you put a little fertilizer on a plant it will fluorish. Put too much and it will wither. Look what the Dems did to Bush, way too much fertilizer…..
DL13 on November 20, 2008 at 12:25 PM
A lot can happen in four years. It’ll be interesting to see how it all shakes out. I personally hope that the ‘Cuda is very cautious about running in 2012. Unless things really go to hell the media is going to prop up The One to such an extent that it may be impossible to beat him anyway. I think she’d be better off running in 2016 (there are a number of additional reasons, to my mind at least, for waiting until 2016 as well). Let somebody else (Huck, Newt, Frist, etc.) be the sacrificial elephant in 2012.
Also, to go slightly off topic: I’ve never liked Katie Couric. I’ve always found her to be rather unprofessional, snotty, cutesy, and exceedingly annoying. I hate her more and more all the time (see: her comments last night). I hope that if the ‘Cuda runs in 2012 or at any other point in the future that she tells Couric where to get off when she comes asking for her interview.
meltenn on November 20, 2008 at 12:30 PM
I’m sorry, but I’ve thought all along that Huck was an ass and this article just solidifies that assessment. The press hounded Sarah unmercifully every single day she was on the trail and for most of the days since the election. For anyone to say she got an “easy ride” is nonsensical in the extreme.
Additionally, it seems as if any time there is a PDS article on HotAir, AP has posted it. …Maybe it’s just me.
NTXLass on November 20, 2008 at 12:30 PM
You. Must. Be. Kidding.
Huck would’ve beat McCain in the primaries (whether you think that was a good thing or not) if it wasn’t for RINOs and Neo Cons!
TRUE conservatives are attacked by the party and bumped out so a crusty old RINO can lose like Dole and McCain (and the list could go on)
Palin is a true conservative and she garnered more votes than MCain did—it would a been a landslide loss of epic proportions had he chose Tom Ridge or Rudy.
Give a true conservative the nomination for once, and you’ll have another Reagan.
You aren’t paying attention.
BTW George W ran as a conservative and served 8 yrs ……(of course he strayed away to say the least, but that was, is, the perception of the people that he is a Christian conservative)
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:36 PM
troyriser_gopftw on November 20, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Well said.
thecountofincognito on November 20, 2008 at 12:38 PM
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:36 PM
McCain never went after Huckabee because he knew Huckabee couldn’t beat him. They both needed to take out Romney, but Huck couldn’t beat either one on one.
thecountofincognito on November 20, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Wow.
Huck is jealous like a school girl crushing over a boy and he likes someone else.
Nice. Ok Schmuk… pull your panties, wadded up in your butt out and act like a man now.
upinak on November 20, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Please. I am no Huck-iphile or Huck-ophobe but a few “bad” decisions does not undue a stellar conservative record—look at the right side of your screen and see hwo is there with Michele Malkin—it ain’t Mitt or Fred my friend.
I acknowledge that the tax hike doesn’t jive with fiscal conservatism—but it does with his moral conservatism.
Was Reagan a true conservative? While Governor of California he made some bonehead decisions too—if you were commander in Chief….but as Governor it’s a bit different.
State/Federal
Apples/Oranges
YOU do not recognize TRUE conservatism—is it social/moral first and fiscal second, as one is the outgrowth of the other and not vice versa.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Yeah, and if there was no liberals McCain would have won.
Your point?
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 12:41 PM
LOL
Huck did beat them both in Iowa didn’t he??
Oh yes , facts.
He would have beat McCain if given half a chance by the country club.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Have you been paying attention?
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:45 PM
McCains liberalism is why they lost
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Yes, and it has been decades since I saw a true conservative as the Republican nominee.
Have YOU been paying attention?
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Funny…that didn’t stop Obama.
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Mr. Purple wrote, ‘The majority of people keep the faith they were raised to believe in. I think it matters little what their faith is. You judge the person and their personal beliefs beyond a religious context.’
William James called those who more or less unquestionably adopt the faith of their family or community ’second-hand religionists’. Personally, I think the Christian injunction ‘Seek and you shall find’ applies here. Even though brought up in a relgious household, I was an atheist for much of my adult life, and had–for lack of a better term–a profoundly life-changing personal experience. Faith isn’t found by taking a shopping cart approach, taking that which you find pleasing, discarding that which you don’t. Some religions and philsophies have admirable ideas, to be sure, and give their adherents a measure of peace and spiritual fulfillment. Good for them. However, as a Christian, I can only believe my faith is the true faith, and make no apologies for holding that belief. To paraphrase St. Paul, either Christ Is or he isn’t. There is no middle ground.
troyriser_gopftw on November 20, 2008 at 12:56 PM
I was not raised to be a believer, and was an agnsotic for most of my childhood and early adult life……a defender of it even.
Then I investigated the claims and became a Christian.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:59 PM
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Oh, I’m sorry. I could have sworn there were about 7 or 8 candidates running when Iowa voted. I forgot all about it being a one on one contest, like I was stating. Forgive me for my selective memory. /sarc
thecountofincognito on November 20, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Yes. And that WAS my point—the one you just made because eyou apparently WEREN’T paying attention.
Glad to see that we agree.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:00 PM
LOL
I was talking out the OTHER ticket—indeed a liberal would vote for a liberal. We however are repeatedly forced to hold our nose and vote for plastic pretenders who are more liberal than conservative.
Most Americans are center right so we would have won with a Fred or a Huck or someone better and Palin
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:02 PM
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Oh, I’m sorry. I could have sworn there were about 7 or 8 candidates running when Iowa voted. I forgot all about it being a one on one contest, like I was stating. Forgive me for my selective memory. /sarc
thecountofincognito on November 20, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Do YOU even know what you are talking about????
The above is obvious. By the time it got down to Mike and John it was already over (thanks to Fred in SC) so its moot by then—and proves my point.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:04 PM
I dunno….I don’t think there is much doubt that Jesus Christ ‘was’.
It’s what ‘He’ was that is unknown – and what He ‘was’ was largely decided centuries after his death – and that is likely quite a bit different from what he actually was and that was officially decided by the Roman emperor Constantine who was a pagan for most of his life.
I’m not trying to belittle Christ or Christianity – but these are the historical facts as we know them.
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Actually, you’re wrong about that. She told Katie Couric that she believes in evolution. Her father is a science teacher and an amateur naturalist. He has a 8,000 year old fossil in his house (he showed it off on CBS), so obviously she believes the earth is more than 6,000 years old.
ramrocks on November 20, 2008 at 1:08 PM
SHEMUCKABEE LOSER LOSER JUST GO AWAY
al on November 20, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Well why wouldn’t a liberal vote for what you call a liberal John McCain?
Face it – the conservatives cannot stand by themselves. They need all the RINO’s and neo-cons they can get to even have a chance.
Running on abortion alone is doomed to fail.
The US is the greatest nation in the world and ’small government’ is not sufficient to run this great country.
I’m not for welfare or government health care – but we need a large government to run this great country.
If a ‘true conservative’ is the answer then why hasn’t a true conservative been nominated in over a decade?
You can cry ‘well, Bush was…’ all you want – but you sure don’t accept him now. I still do. I’m a proud neo-con.
Mr Purple on November 20, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Oh, and I forgot —Huck won West Virginia, then
Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia and Tennessee on Super Tuesday, and after Mitt dropped out he won Kansas and Loisiana when it was just him and McCain.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:13 PM
The main problem with many Republicans is that they now see personalities and issues primarily within the sphere of mutual exclusivity.For example, if you are a ‘moderate’ Republican you are not really a Republican. If you think that Sarah Palin should be the GOP nominee in 2012 you cannot have graduated college, and therefore a lowbrow. If you voted for Obama you could not have been pro-life. If you voted for the bailout you are not a true conservative. If you are a Hispanic, you cannot vote Republican. If conservative columnists are critical of Sarah’s performance, they cannot be intellectually honest, and thus have a hidden agenda. If you don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh you cannot be fully informed on the issues of the day. If you support Mitt Romney you cannot like Mike Huckabee as well. If you ‘pal around with a former unrepentant domestic terrorist’ you must then sympathize with the goals of terrorism. If you believe in God you cannot believe in evolution. If you believe that marriage should be only be between one man and one woman then you cannot favor equal rights for gays. The main problem in the political conversation of 2008 is there is a lack of NUANCE, which mature people are supposed to display. Moderate Republicans are members of the GOP and deserve the respect that each member of the party deserves; many educated and intelligent people support Sarah Palin; I am one of them; many pro-lifers (Roman Catholics) voted for Obama out of economic considerations; many conservatives voted for the bailout not as a sign they had abandoned their priniciples but out of a perceived fear and worry that the whole American economic system might collapse; Hispanics could vote for the GOP if given a reason to vote for the party; not all conservative columnists have a hidden agenda to report on the deficiencies of Sarah’s candidacy; one can avoid listening to Rush Limbaugh and still adhere to conservative principles; one may favor Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee at the same time; just because Obama knows Ayres doesn’t mean he favors terrorism; many people believe in a Supreme being and Darwin’s theory of evolution; and finally many people like Sarah believe in equal rights for gays but also support only the traditional form of marriage.
technopeasant on November 20, 2008 at 1:16 PM
The evolution thing was an obvious, false smear. Palin never said that dinosaurs didn’t exist or they were around 4,000 years ago. The whole thing started because of a hypothetical question in a campaign and was exaggerated by a fake email. The left just does not udnerstand religious people and thinks that they are just that simple-minded.
CHuckles, on the other hand, really does fit every single bad Evangelical/ white trash stereotype out there.
Illinidiva on November 20, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Because he/she/Michael Jackson can vote for Obama who is MORE liberal of course! We saw that take place a few Tuesdays ago
.
Agreed. And they’ll get them if given a chance—and then some. The some the others cannot. I gladly voted for Bush and McCain –in opposition. But I didn’t vote for either in any of the primaries, and neither did many others.
True. Who said anything about that???
You greatly misunderstand what is meant by the term! Small government on a federal level by necessity would have to have a far reach, but an govt big enough to give you anything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.
Govt is NOT a PROVIDER it is to be a PROTECTOR. Period.
Because your kind wont let them get that far! Country club power in the party pulls favors and breaks knees to jeep the conservatives at bay.
I certainly do accept him and am proud of him. I have great personal respect for him and think that in a decad or so he will finally be seen as a great president on the war issue and other issues—but he is a neo-con and that’s what kept him from being a Reagan.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Moral conservatism, as it exists today, does not involve forcing others to change their behavior or restrict how they live their lives. That is the prerogative of environmentalists and speech code fascists.
Now, if evangelicals want to jump on that bandwagon, go right ahead. However, consulting our late friend Mr. Buckley, we find conservatism to be quite something other than government telling people how to live their lives, which is exactly what Huckabee sees as the role of government when he is in charge.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Fixed it for you. Read it over and learn.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I am so sick of Huckaphoney especially now he’s got his own show at Fox. What a clown!
mariloubaker on November 20, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Really? You really believe that?
So govt doesn’t force murderers to go to jail? Shouldn’t keep people form having 4 wives? Restrict people from….anything?
Ahhh…the ghost of Mr. Buckley—-country club at its best/worst
Thanks for identifying yourself so well
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Wow. You ARE liberal.
Protecting us from terrorists is NOT ones self.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Wow. You sound like a voice of sanity and moderation. People like you don’t usually show up on the internet these days. Where did you come from?
But seriously… I completely agree with you. We have become bogged down in these fights over ideological purity. Politics is the art of the possible, as the saying goes. We can stick to principles and still build broad consensus. I think the principle of federalism is a cure for many of the divisive social issues that keep tearing us apart. What works for San Francisco will not and shouldn’t have to work for Salt Lake City. I think we make trouble when we force people in Alabama to remove the Ten Commandments and people in New York City to teach abstinence only. There are certain things all Americans must agree upon — namely the Constitution. Aside from that, leave it to the locals to decide.
ramrocks on November 20, 2008 at 1:35 PM
MadisonConservative I apologize for calling you liberal–that was too much.
I got a little heated there. My bad.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Well said. Thats the problem with federalism.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:38 PM
What, as a Buckley conservative?
I’m proud of that, my friend. He was as much, if not more so, responsible for the modern conservative movement than Reagan was. Your rejection of that says volumes about how “conservative” you truly are.
Interesting. I’ll ignore for the moment the fact that you’re comparing jail time for murder to fast food taxes and smoking bans. I’ll just instead ask if that’s the first thing on your mind, Huck ain’t your guy.
You are a Huck acolyte. Denial is part of the process.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Protecting us from smoking and fast food and naughty words and pornography and rock music and carbon dioxide and plastic bags and real gasoline and all the other “threats” that evangelicals and environmentalists and other busybodies have tried to use the government to destroy or ban is the essence of government trying to “save” citizens from themselves.
Huckabee has shown he has that mindset. That’s nice. He’ll never have my vote while he tries to tell me how he’s going after my legal “vices”.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Listen, the reason for all the animosity towards Huckabee is entirely his own fault.
Huckabee constant sniping at Romney’s religion during the primaries was beyond the pale. Likewise, he has constantly been attacking several factions of the GOP (see new Glenn Reynonlds interview, where Huckabee now attacks Libertarians). There is a reason why Huckabee early on lost the support of Talk Radio and other conservatives. He is simply seen as a demagogue who thrives on attacking others within the conservative movement.
Huckabee is the one creating animosity and division within the GOP. The sooner he leaves the scene, the better.
And no, there’s won’t be a “death-match” between Huck and ‘Cuda in 2012. If Sarah runs, she will knock Huck out within seconds after the Iowa caucuses.
Norwegian on November 20, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Buckley gets credit BECAUSE he was THE country club icon!
He put a intellectual veneer on conservatism and made it more acceptable, but the father of conservatism he ain’t my friend and Reagan did MUCH more to advance the cause among the common man. Only the talking heads cared about Buckley, most Americans didn’t/don’t know him and when made aware of him though he was the epitome’ of stuffiness and big rich spoiled republicanism.
I do not outright reject him, but consider him to be a marginal influence always given grand praise…..because it made moderates feel conservative. Overall, I liked him personally.
Apparently you didn’t study the case against Huck on the Tucker instigated case…..or just like to smear.
You are a Huck-ophobe. Denial is part of the process.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Apples/oranges again
Maybe I should rethink the apology for calling you liberal! LOL
At least you’re honest!
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Mr. Purple, Emperor Constantine had little say in the central issue. St. Paul wrote (again paraphrasing because I’m too busy to look it up) that Christ is either who He claimed to be; i.e., the literal Son of God, who died on the cross and rose from the dead and ascended to Heaven (refer to the Apostle’s Creed, if it helps), or He isn’t, and our faith is false–and no one would or should want to blindly believe in a lie, no matter how comforting that lie might be. That’s what I meant by ‘Is’ and ‘isn’t’. The historical existence of Christ has been proved well enough, I think, but I wouldn’t be dismayed if His physical existence wasn’t documented at all. I know, so I don’t make it a point to delve in lengthy exegesis on such matters. Nor, for that matter, do I believe Scripture is intended as a science textbook, or think evolution is contrary to the tenets of my faith. As an aside, Christ was especially contemptuous of those Pharisees who drew public attention to their piety, so I am expecially leery of politicians who cynically do the same for political gain.
troyriser_gopftw on November 20, 2008 at 1:51 PM
It’s the problem of encroaching federal government and big brother style speech codes. It’s wrong whether it comes from the right or the left. The left is much more pushy and domineering than the right about forcing its beliefs on everyone, but the right sometimes falls into the same trap. The whole Prohibition movement is a perfect example of religious people trying to force their beliefs on the public. Anti-smoking and anti-fast food legislation is just such nonsense. The gays are making a perfect spectacle of themselves trying to force their agenda on a public that does not want gay marriage. We are willing to grant them rights with civil unions, but they refuse to accept this and respect the beliefs of others. Pluralism and tolerance goes both ways. The right and the left should demand it of each other and respect each others right to it.
ramrocks on November 20, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Any apologies of yours are roughly as significant to me as whether a bum clears his throat or not when I pass him on the street.
You rethink all you like. In this country, one party is known for using fiscal policy to modify citizen’s behavior, and that is the democrats. The LIBERAL democrats. So far, Huck is one of the most well-known republicans to mimic their tactics. If you support that kind of thing, you are not only a liberal, you are a fascist. Something tells me you hold no more respect for Jonah Goldberg than you do for Buckley, who, by the way, you appear to be ridiculously ignorant on in terms of his impact in the conservative movement. If you wish to play the “unwashed masses” card, go ahead. I’m part of those masses, and I don’t fancy myself a victim of “east coast” mentality like some of you whiny disenfranchised fundamentalist lunatics.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Uh oh. John the Fundamentalist might not like that kind of “smear”.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 1:56 PM
So we should legalize marijuana and prostitution then, right?
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 1:59 PM
ROFLOL
“the hit dog barks loudest”
Your bum comment reveals you are quite Buckley-ite!! Wow.
Of course your similarity to Goldberg (the editior not he wrestler—htough you also resemble his rhetoric as well) trumps that.
Have I insuled you?
Have I whined about anything?
No and no.
Have you insulted me and whined about…everything?
Yes and yes.
Grow up.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Who the hell cares if people believe the planet is 6000 or 60 million years old! What policies would this person have that would be based on this belief? Personally, I have no problem with the Christian right. I would ask some of the social liberals we see so much of here lately to please explain what policy the “oogedy-boogedy” crowd is pushing that would harm our country.
kongzilla on November 20, 2008 at 2:06 PM
You challenged my integrity by calling me a liberal. Few worse insults I know of.
Yes, intellectualism and Buckley. The invocation of him got you quite perturbed.
Since you are willfully ignorant and intentionally dishonest, keep on going. It’s like bouncing a tennis ball off a brick wall.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:07 PM
LOL! I appreciate that you brought WFB into the conversation. We have people identifying themselves as conservatives who are unschooled on the great conservative thinkers like WFB and Russell Kirk. I’m frightened of so called conservatives who have no problem forcing beliefs on the public in the same manner as the left does. I’m a social and fiscal conservative. I’m as pro-life as Sarah Palin, but, like Sarah Palin, I believe we can have coalition building with people who disagree with us. We can foster a culture of life. Like Michael Steele, I want to see Roe overturned so that the issue can go back to the state level, and if or when that happens, we will have some states with more liberal abortion laws than others. We have to get away from the one size fits all mentality on these social issues. The best way to reach out to voters who disagree with conservative social positions is to highlight the main principle of conservatism — FREEDOM. Government has no business telling churches what marriage means. Government can issue civil unions. Government has no business telling students that they can’t organize a bible study at school as an extracurricular activity. Government has no business telling Catholics that they must pay for another person’s abortion. Government has no business mandating how parents and teachers decide to teach sex ed to students. The list can go on and on.
ramrocks on November 20, 2008 at 2:11 PM
If Huckabee wants a place in the conservative movement, he can first show that he has the freedom of the citizens first and foremost in his mind. Be it ideological fascism from the left, or theological fascism for the right, both need to be done away with. America is the land of the free, or at least it’s supposed to be.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Amused—not perturbed.
I rescind my apology—you sound just like a liberal.
Character assassination, insults, no substance.
Amazing.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:16 PM
My personal opinion is: Marijuana, yes. Prostitution, no. However, again, I think these should be local decisions. People in Vegas probably want prostitution to be legal. I find it disturbing, but legalizing it would mean that there is stricter regulation of it. I’m not alone in finding this issue of prostitution daunting. So did St. Augustine of Hippo. He came to the conclusion that it was a necessary evil of any city of man and impossible to stop. He too was a very pragmatic man.
ramrocks on November 20, 2008 at 2:16 PM
We are more than familiar—just not altogether friendly with their ideas of how to implement their ideologies.
Huck worship, Obama worship, Plain worship, WFB worship….Reagan worship….is all wrong. Its principles and ideas—not personalities—that’s the way the left works with FDR and JFK etc.
So do I. So long as we dont compromise the core.
I agree with all that you said—so why am I being attacked and insulted?
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I’m not attacking you or insulting you at all, John. I’m just having a conversation. It’s good and it’s healthy for conservatives to debate these things. I’m interested in hearing your beef against WFB. I know that there are things to criticize about him. I’ve read Murray Rothbard’s book about how the right was stolen, and I sympathize with many of his arguments.
ramrocks on November 20, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Gotcha. True colors coming through.
Whio cares how many innocents ar ehurt? Who cares how this effects sex trafficking? Who cares how this will allow millions who otherwise wouldnt destroy themselves and their marriages to easily do so?
Are you a Libertarian or a conservative?
I’m not alone in finding this issue of prostitution daunting. So did St. Augustine of Hippo. He came to the conclusion that it was a necessary evil of any city of man and impossible to stop. He too was a very pragmatic man.
And a horible example!!! He had two mistresses and taught much error –especially on sexuality.
Pragmatic? yes! Immoral? YES!
And THAT folks is the difference between TRUE conservatism and neo-cons.
Just quit calling yourselves conservatives and admit you are capitalists and libertarian. We agree on much—but not for the same reaosns or in the same ways.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM
agree with all that you said—so why am I being attacked and insulted?
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I wasnt referring to you—you have been very congenial and mature…..but there are others……..
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Whining again? That victim card of yours must be dog-eared as hell. It’s all those damn East Coasters’ fault and their wicked elitist disdain for beggars in the street.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Murray Rothbard is a great example of what I am talking about. Libertarian—but not a conservative.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM
…aaaand we come to the nub of your fascist ideology. No. F*** you. Conservatives are not ruled by religion, as you wish it to be. They’re ruled by principles, which often conflict with religious precepts that fundamentalists use to attempt to exercise power over the masses.
…all the while claiming to be one of their oppressed number, under the evil thumb of the intelligentsia. Old, old game, pal, and you’re no good at it.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:36 PM
You only post on these things because you have no substance…you started whining….I am only responding and recurring—not whining.
And I am on the East coast. Where are you?
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Ah. When I say something it’s one thing. When you say it, it’s another. A “rhetorical flourish” on your part, perhaps? Some nuance? Interesting strategy.
In Southern Wisconsin, the heartland of the MidWest. Take a clue from my user name.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Just quit calling yourselves conservatives…
See what I mean? It comes out eventually-always does!
Personal insults…foul language…immature refusal to deal with ideas but resorting to name calling….check, check, check…
We’ve seen and hear it all before ….from Liberals who go ahead and come out of the closet.
You don’t like to admit your liberalness so you disguise yourself with conservative ideas to cover your true colors…..but they keep seeping through don’t they?
Come out of the closet and be loud and be proud whydontcha?
“Power over masses”….that’s Marxism not Christian. You’d best thank God this nation was founded on biblical principles (as our founding fathers repeatedly said—go back and read previous posts) or you wouldn’t be able to have the freedoms it allows.
Including the freedoms to hurt yourself…..just so long as it doesn’t hurt others in the process (like marijuana and prostitution do).
Under a thumb? Hardly. That thumb is atrophied and arthritic now—especially with the dying off of the old crustys. New era baby…welcome to Palinmania!
This is getting good—your thrashing about is entertaining as you sink.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM
No Duh…I went to your blog–that was my POINT.
You dont pay attention well do you?
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Just like Buckley, eh?
You keep on dreaming that your fascist little fantasies about telling people how to live through government restrictions on things you don’t like is conservative.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Ah. When I say something it’s one thing. When you say it, it’s another. A “rhetorical flourish” on your part, perhaps? Some nuance? Interesting strategy.
No, I was staing that you started insulting me when you ran out of facts. I only responded. Please read slower–it will help your comprehension.
Better yet, have someone read it to you.
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM
To someone lamenting the “East Coast elitist conservatives” picking on the poor unwashed masses in the rest of the country, while he himself is on that east coast, while the person he’s arguing with is actually in the heartland?
No. Then again, I don’t pay attention to Britney Spears news reports either. Neither are holding much of any relevant information.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM
No…Buckley actually had a core.
Do you even know what facist means???
John The Baptist on November 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Bingo. What is for you is not for others. Enjoy your dreams, hypocrite.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM
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