How to end piracy
posted at 11:50 am on November 19, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
An Indian naval vessel sank a suspected pirate “mother ship” in the Gulf of Aden and chased two attack boats into the night, officials said Wednesday, yet more violence in the lawless seas where brigands are becoming bolder and more violent.
Separate bands of pirates also seized a Thai ship with 16 crew members and an Iranian cargo vessel with a crew of 25 in the Gulf of Aden, where Somalia-based pirates appear to be attacking ships at will, said Noel Choong of the International Maritime Bureau’s piracy reporting center in Malaysia.
“It’s getting out of control,” Choong said.
A multicoalition naval force has increased patrols in the region, and scored a rare success Tuesday when the Indian warship, operating off the coast of Oman, stopped a ship similar to a pirate vessel mentioned in numerous piracy bulletins. The Indian navy said the pirates fired on the INS Tabar after the officers asked it to stop to be searched.
“Pirates were seen roaming on the upper deck of this vessel with guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers,” said a statement from the Indian navy. Indian forces fired back, sparking fires and a series of onboard blasts — possibly due to exploding ammunition — and destroying the ship.
“Yet more violence”? The AP in that first paragraph appears to equate piracy with enforcement, which is part of the reason why piracy has begun to flourish again. Sinking pirate ships may in the strictest sense be “more violence”, but so is a raid on a terrorist compound, a crackhouse, or a militia headquarters.
Navies in the region have to start blowing pirates out of the water when intercepted. At present, the risk/reward ratio has become distorted — which is why piracy has gotten out of control. The pirates see little risk and accrue great rewards, mostly through hostaging the crews of the boats they seize.
India had the right idea, and that isn’t “more violence” — it’s putting an end to violence and lawlessness on the seas. If we want to protect global trade, that’s the only rational policy to follow.
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Stupidity can be terminal after all.
drjohn on November 19, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Tri-cycle of violence.
danking70 on November 19, 2008 at 11:55 AM
If this was happening in the Carribean, how would we deal with it?
DL13 on November 19, 2008 at 11:55 AM
NY Times has a story about how nice the ransom is for the poor Somalians. Guess it will be our duty to pay ransom so they can be happy?
Time for the Marines, like Jefferson sent to the Barbary coast. A little death and destruction will remove the motivation for stealing.
Cut their hands off? Hell no, kill em.
Kemp
Kempermanx on November 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Blackwater has already said they will fight the pirates, if someone funds them.
pseudonominus on November 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM
I would think a good solution would be to create a fleet of heavily-armed decoy ships that attract a piracy attack with predictable results.
kurtzz3 on November 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Moral relativism is the number one way to hinder sensible foreign policy in all way shapes and forms. Ever since the Georgian invasion a country is considered to be acting “violently” if it attempts to defend its property from invaders, whether they be another country or brigands.
Tacitus_SGL on November 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Thank you, India. As a fan of Saudi Arabian oil (since we’re not allowed to produce our own), I’m glad to know that someone is trying to ensure that those tankers make it safely to port.
aero on November 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM
I got one word:
Phalanx
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/314751/anti_everything_gun/
TheSitRep on November 19, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Sounds like we should send of our fresh naval recruits to the area for a little real world “training.”
Religious_Zealot on November 19, 2008 at 11:59 AM
It’s better to go to the source – the towns and villages they come from and live – and lay waste to them.
Westerners need to understand that we are individualistic cultures while the people attacking us are from tribal cultures. As distasteful as collective punishment has been taught to be, to the naive individualistic mind, it is the only effective tactic against tribalistic enemies. We have to stop treating our enemies as if they think and react the same way that we do. They do not.
If we fought WWII the way we fight these days, the whole world might be speaking German now – whatever was left of it, at least.
progressoverpeace on November 19, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Or, you know, arm the real ones…
Count to 10 on November 19, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Ed, a good point about the reward/risk ratio. These aren’t the days of the Barbary Pirates-with today’s technology no pirate ship, once identified, can ever disappear. They can be sunk at will, from a much further range than those RPGs and guns mentioned above.
Doug on November 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM
India had the right idea, and that isn’t “more violence”
Um, yes it is. When you attack a ship it is violence. That’s just a fact. It’s not an opine to say the sinking of the ship is “yet more violence” in the region.
But beyond that, you’re just wrong in stating the AP is trying to draw moral equivalence between the Indian navy and pirates. Read on in the part that you cite:
A multicoalition naval force has increased patrols in the region, and scored a rare success Tuesday when the Indian warship, operating off the coast of Oman, stopped a ship similar to a pirate vessel mentioned in numerous piracy bulletins. The Indian navy said the pirates fired on the INS Tabar after the officers asked it to stop to be searched.
“Pirates were seen roaming on the upper deck of this vessel with guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers,” said a statement from the Indian navy. Indian forces fired back, sparking fires and a series of onboard blasts — possibly due to exploding ammunition — and destroying the ship.
They chased one of two speedboats that had been shadowing the larger ship, and which fled when it sank. One was later found abandoned. The other escaped, according to the statement.
So the article calls the navy’s actions a success and say they acted in self-defense.
You really think this article is trying to say the Indian navy’s actions are equivalent to the pirates’? Give me a break.
Tom_Shipley on November 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Shut down their entire coast.
Christien on November 19, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Where are William Bainbridge, Isaac Hull, and Stephen Decatur when you need them?
SouthernRoots on November 19, 2008 at 12:02 PM
We need to ask them to stop pirating.
If that doesn’t work, we can write them a letter.
If that doesn’t work, we should send them some aid.
If that doesn’t work, we should threaten economic sanctions (but not actually enact them).
Or we can kill them all and hang their heads from the port mast.
Rhinoboy on November 19, 2008 at 12:02 PM
.
That’s like saying the UN is a little disorganized.
This situation has been completely out of control for some time now. Waiting to hear President Bambi’s take on piracy.
highhopes on November 19, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Oh no, violence. Why can’t they use their words?
Jim Treacher on November 19, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I say we surrender and take our chances.
Limerick on November 19, 2008 at 12:04 PM
This reminds me of the auto theft problem they used to have in my little town of Cranford, NJ. It turns out that Cranford is the first “nice” town you get to if you take the Garden State Parkway South from the not-quite-so-nice towns of Newark/Irvington/East Orange.
Our local police force had a policy that all chases had to end at the town border, which was the bottom of the on-ramp of the Parkway. The car thieves knew that if they could make it to the on-ramp, the Cranford cops would stop chasing, and they were home free.
The result, of course, was that gangs of kids would steal minivans in Newark, fill them up with drivers, and come down to Cranford to steal cars. Our town of 10,000 people was losing five to ten cars a week. Things were completely out of hand.
Then our police department announced a “Chase them until we run out of gas” policy. The very next day, the Cranford cop chased a car up the on-ramp, all the way to the Union Tolls, about five miles up the road. The car thief wound up crashing at the tolls, and was caught trying to escape into the woods. This happend over and over again. The Cranford cops had five cruisers in the bodyshop at one time.
But after about a month, auto theft stopped in my little town. I couldn’t tell you the last time somebody stole a car in Cranford. The risk/reward balance has shifted, and nobody wants to take the chance.
gridlock2 on November 19, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Shut down their entire coast.
Christien on November 19, 2008 at 12:02 PM
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Bingo.
Dave Rywall on November 19, 2008 at 12:05 PM
So, does that mean we have to learn Somali for the next “Talk Like a Pirate Day”.
eforhan on November 19, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Whats needed is a UN Security Council Resolution to embargo Somalia, giving the worlds Navys the ability to board and search all ships entering, or leaving, Somali waters.
Without that Legal cover, the worlds Navys may as well be tied up to the pier.
The Indian Navy was able to do this because the Somali Pirates were stupid. IF the Somali’s had not shown weapons on deck, the Indians would have had no legal pretext to stop, board, or search the suspect vessel UNLESS it was in Indian waters.
Until the UN stands up and does what needs to be done, this will continue… and what weird? China has lost ships, Russian Tanks are currently being held, America and France have large vested interest in free trade…. so just why won’t the Security Council Act?
Romeo13 on November 19, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Pirates hate violence. In fact, the hole enterprise of piracy is only profitable in the absence of violence. Now, threats of violence are another story, all together.
Count to 10 on November 19, 2008 at 12:06 PM
I saw on FNC this morning that a piracy HQ is being established in a fishing village on the coast near the ‘elbow’ of Somalia.
Calling Blackwater….
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 12:07 PM
So then what? We get the naval version of food-for-oil outta the U.N.
“Oh think of the starving fishermen!” clap trap?
Limerick on November 19, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Arrr….remember ‘the code’.
Let’s request a parlay, jim-lad.
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Wow, first Jonah goes nu-kya-lure on Kathleen Parker, and now they’re sinking pirate ships as well?
This isn’t Wednesday, this is AWESOMEday.
thirteen28 on November 19, 2008 at 12:07 PM
I say we lift off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure…
gridlock2 on November 19, 2008 at 12:08 PM
What results would those be? A liberal President and Congress that declares it “unjust” to fire on pirates without first giving them a chance to surrender and have their case tried with all the rights of those tried in the US judicial system?
Until President-elect Bambi and the Peaceniks who have been treating terrorists like jaywalkers considers piracy to be an act of war the US shouldn’t be doing anything. I don’t want good sailors killed because their terrorist sympathizer of a commander-in-chief wants us to read them their Miranda warnings before opening fire.
highhopes on November 19, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Perhaps the big O should sit down with them and negotiate.
BLOW THEM OUT OF THE WATER. A few good examples will draw down piracy.
Personally, I love the thought of a team of US Navy seals laying waste to the pirates on the Serious Star.
Snapiron on November 19, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Yeah, all India needed to do was give those pirates a Time Out to think about what they’d done. I’m sure Obama will show the world community how to handle such situations in the future.
aero on November 19, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Hell, Obama IS a pirate.
marklmail on November 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM
I tried once. It’s a darn hard language to learn.
gridlock2 on November 19, 2008 at 12:11 PM
The easiest, least costly, and quickest way is to let the merchants arm.
Nothing like sending 3000 rounds of .50 cal to clip ol Blackbeard’s whiskers.
Limerick on November 19, 2008 at 12:11 PM
It’s pitiful that the Indian government had to resort to such barbaric and distasteful tactics. I can only imagine how many innocent bystanders were killed, and how many more pirates their actions will create. Where’s the hope and change in that?
Why can we not just sit down with the pirates (without preconditions, of course) and discuss this like rational human beings?
/sarcasm
dalewalt on November 19, 2008 at 12:11 PM
With piracy resurgent, can privateering be far behind? Better put this down, and hard. I think those pirates are going to wish they hadn’t gotten greedy and gone after the oil.
RightOFLeft on November 19, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Surely there is no question of which ships are pirate ships. With today’s technology they should never be a question. Sink them on sight if any kind of resistance is given.
SC.Charlie on November 19, 2008 at 12:15 PM
i see no reason to risk pedistrain lives and officers lives with chases, Helo and sniper to stop the chase. try for the engine, if you hit the driver – oh well. I don’t believe that officers should have to run after a thief that bails from a car, shoot for center mass to eliminate the change for a stray bullet. We have taken away all risk for bad behavior so you see criminals will to risk our lives for their freedom.
rgranger on November 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Lawsuits.
SlimyBill on November 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Piracy is one area of international law in which norms are well understood. States are permitted hot pursuit, including into territorial waters of sovereign states, in order to apprehend pirates. this is not new law; it has been the law for centuries.
In the pre-moral equivalency world, people knew very well how to deal with pirates. In this case the Indians acted appropriately, and this behaviour ought to become the norm.
Blaise on November 19, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Yep. The boogeyman’s gonna get ‘em.
SlimyBill on November 19, 2008 at 12:19 PM
“Yet more violence”?
Ya can’t fix stupid!
GarandFan on November 19, 2008 at 12:20 PM
The fastest way to eliminate piracy is to create more dead pirates.
Stephen Macklin on November 19, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Face to face negotiations with Hussein, no preconditions.
A Section 8 slum in Boston, welfare, MassHealth, a drivers license, subsidized daycare, WIC, food stamps, SS and disability, job training, and a baby’s arm holding an apple.
Alden Pyle on November 19, 2008 at 12:24 PM
You’re the man
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 12:24 PM
I like the idea from Ernie Stewart over at Ernie’s House of Whoop Ass. Put two or more MQ-9 Reapers on station over the area and hammer the pirates with a maverick every time they get snarky. This should snap them around most ricky-tik!
Check out Ernie’s site for more details, but be aware that some of his content is NSFW for most of you folks!
hburns on November 19, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Nothing like a Q-ship to ruin a pirate’s whole day. Of course, most of the world has given up the right to issue a letter of marque and reprisal, and not only will Hell freeze over but Heaven will boil before this or the next Congress issues one.
steveegg on November 19, 2008 at 12:26 PM
International Law has “Evolved” on this point.
Romeo13 on November 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I personally blame Jack Sparrow for the rising popularity of piracy.
redshirt on November 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Maybe they can fire teddy bears and lollypops at them next time and win them over with good cheer instead?!
Wyznowski on November 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM
If the United Nations can spend 23 million on a Human Rights mural then maybe we can talk them outta a couple of mil for an ‘evils-of-piracy’ one.
Limerick on November 19, 2008 at 12:30 PM
The bogeyman being every oil-producing and oil-consuming nation (i.e. every nation) on Earth. You don’t mess with Father Economics. They might not get theirs this time, but it’s coming.
RightOFLeft on November 19, 2008 at 12:30 PM
No need to. The dhow “motherships” require a “port” with some minor infrastructure. Easy enough to identify these coastal villages with satellite photos and then patrol with a combination of UAVs and littoral ships. There are a multitude of ways, what’s lacking is will…
Diogenes Online on November 19, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Oh Boy… I am looking at these comments and just shaking my head.
Let me ask you all a question. I fyou had something you worked on, for, with, grew etc on your and someone was trying to steal it… would you:
1. Scream and let them take it
2. Struggle back, even if you didn’t have a weapon on you
3. Fight Back, even if it risks breaking your item
Sorry guys… I don’t care who you are. If it is yours, you fight back (I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t honestly).
If being held Hostage for something you are trying to transport, what would you do?
1. Run away, even if you have no where to run
2. Hide, even though 90% of the time you will be found
3. Fight, because you know you may die horribly as a hostage.
I am going to pick 3.
It isn’t common sense, it is survival.
upinak on November 19, 2008 at 12:33 PM
How long before the Prop 8 opponents start seizing ships off the coast of California for ransom?
faraway on November 19, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Ransom was nice for the Barbary Pirates, too. They had free reign for almost 500 years. What we are seeing from these pirates is nothing compared to what the Europeans endured from their scourge.
The US response, prior to the First and Second Barbary Wars, was 15 years of humiliation:
$1M in 1700′s era dollars. I wonder what that amounts to today? Seems the Somali pirates are underrating their work.
Note also in the Wikipedia article the results of allowing diplomacy to take its course. We ransomed our sailors after winning the battle, and set the stage for the Bey to renounce the treaty as between a strong man and a weakling, and set the stage for the Second Barbary War.
unclesmrgol on November 19, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I pick you as first mate on board the good ship Maelstrom ;)
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM
i think we have some new stealthy technology to test out…lets test it out in real world situations, using actual sea-terrorists(aka pirates) and demonstrate to anyone who may dare cross our path what we may be capable of.
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM
After Obama sends a strong letter of protest to the Indian navy, I may set up a pirate ship. It has to be more profitable that a business stuck in the USA.
/sarc
Right_of_Attila on November 19, 2008 at 12:37 PM
I don’t think so….could those hulls be any more parabolic. The drapes! omigodthehorror! Have you boys never heard of manscaping?
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 12:37 PM
The UAW is holding the auto industry for ransom right now. What do we do?
faraway on November 19, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Diogenes Online,
That’s what I meant.
Christien on November 19, 2008 at 12:38 PM
The day the world is dependent upon the UN to defend its shipping is the day the world has surrendered to the pirates.
The UN is a toothless, irrelevant entity. Stern letters issued after years of debate have utterly failed to prevent genocide; failed to prevent nuclear proliferation, and will similarly fail to prevent piracy.
The solution is to arm the merchants and/or travel in convoys, and let it be known that threats of force from pirates will be met by greater force, and that there is no safe harbor for pirates. All it will take is for a few countries interested in preserving the integrity of shipping lanes to take action.
When the cost of outfitting another pirate vessel exceeds the possible rewards from piracy, there will be no more pirates.
landlines on November 19, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Ed,
No, the seat of purpose is on the land. Destroy the villages from which the pirates operate. Leave nothing standing and nothing capable of floating.
Rodney Graves on November 19, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I like the solution presented in “The Patriot”
Put all the eyeballs in one box, the tongues in another, and send them back to shore on a raft.
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 12:40 PM
But what about the pirate children?
Limerick on November 19, 2008 at 12:40 PM
They get a free stuffed parrot for every dead parent.
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Yep, they’re black Africans, so they’re officially members of a protected class. Any thuggery or thievery on their part is a justifiable reaction to years of imperialistic oppression by evil white westerners. We owe them, and their piracy is just part of their long-overdue collection efforts.
AZCoyote on November 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Now that is redistribution I can live with.
Limerick on November 19, 2008 at 12:42 PM
20% of the ransom goes to the Muslim church so the pirates aren’t all bad. /
BL@KBIRD on November 19, 2008 at 12:46 PM
The entire world belongs to Allah, including the vast oceans. Deal with it. The “Somalis’ sure are.
awake on November 19, 2008 at 12:49 PM
So it appears the British navy left its will to fight in India when they pulled out in 1948.
rbj on November 19, 2008 at 12:52 PM
The Indian Naval vessel involved mounts two twin 30mm gattling guns for a CIWS capabilty. That is 10,000 to 12,000 rounds per minute depending on the setting per mount! That plus her 60 round per minute 100mm main mount makes her a less than desireable target for some idiot with an Ak and RPG launchers.
Jim708 on November 19, 2008 at 12:54 PM
If only the rest of the world realized how many complicated questions could be answered in 1-3 words…
Re: Bailout. What should we do to rescue failing industries from themselves? NOTHING.
pinkelephants on November 19, 2008 at 12:56 PM
What ever happened to the ship with the Russian Tanks and the mysterious cargo (people were dying remember) that got hijacked a month or so ago?
HawaiiLwyr on November 19, 2008 at 12:57 PM
These pirates and brigands seem reminiscent of Al Quaida terrorists, who by the way claim to control southern Somalia.
NellE on November 19, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Until we make the costs of piracy prohibitive to the pirates we will continue to have the problem.
Solution: 1)Declare all out international war on them and see how long it takes for the problem to go away, 2) Install security teams (heavily armed)of 10-20 personnel on all ships traveling through known pirate attack areas.
Remember, the pirates that take over these ships have at most RPG’s and machine guns and only have around 10-15 people at most because the ships they hijack are not armed at all and are lightly manned thus making them easy prey.
ic1redeye on November 19, 2008 at 1:00 PM
These cargo ships would do well to arm themselves with large caliber machine guns mounted along their rails. Any small boat that approaches should be engaged and if necessary, destroyed. If the ships would start fighing back then these mud people would probably start thinking twice.
Scott on November 19, 2008 at 1:01 PM
The MSM version of this…..
Limerick on November 19, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Couldn’t we just hand each of them The Black Spot?
Shy Guy on November 19, 2008 at 1:01 PM
A figure of $250 million is rumored to be asked for the Saudi tanker. Who receives the money that the Jolly Jihadists take on the high seas? What country, what bank holds this wealth and has accounts open for Somali Jihadists?
BL@KBIRD on November 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Keel-hauling should become a common practice when dealing with recalcitrant pirates. I bet it beats water-boarding, hands down.
AubieJon on November 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM
It’s weird how the crews aren’t allowed weapons, so the pirates have no fear of attacking the ships…./sarc.
Sounds like they need some muscle along with the ships…course if the ship is as big as that tanker, it’d take alot of men to cover the sea all around that sucker.
hippie_chucker on November 19, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Heh. My son’s destroyer deploys back to the NAG in January. And luckily they hang around Somalia on the way. He is loaded for bear and so is the rest of the crew. They want to send those bastards down to Davey Jones locker with extreme prejudice.
Me. I want pictures!
csdeven on November 19, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Lay waste to their towns is the classical term. I prefer the modern term: make the rubble bounce. Except that there won’t be that much rubble, because there isn’t that much there.
I repeat my earlier suggestion: don’t take the UN seriously until they move their HQ to Somalia. It’s their problem child; until they have to suffer it they should have no say in the matter.
njcommuter on November 19, 2008 at 1:16 PM
That is so good.
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Its still sitting there. There is a US Navy ship, and a Rusian ship sitting there watching, making sure they don’t offload the tanks… but thats it…
Its another one of those weird Sea Law problems. The ship carrying the Russian tanks was Ukrainian… and now sits in Somali waters… so neither we, nor the Russians can board without both Somali and Ukranian permission.
However, if we see them transfering cargo, we can “seize” it as its the commision of a new crime, of arms smuggling.
Romeo13 on November 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM
This does not seem to be real problem if the countries with ships at risk would just pool resourses and protect the shipping lanes. The only problem is we have to stop being so “politically correct” and actually do something.
duff65 on November 19, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Fixed it for you.
Kristopher on November 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM
I’ve got a brilliant idea,how about allowing
submarines to engage target practice.(and full
speed ahead,and dam# the torpedo’s price tag!)
Say one week its the US,then the next week its
Israel’s turn,and the week after its Canada’s,
but I think we better send two,just in case one
of our subs sinks!(Sarc.)
canopfor on November 19, 2008 at 1:36 PM
This mindset is inevitable in a world where many think violence and war are evil in and of themselves.
Action taken against evil is condemned more harshly than evil itself…thank you liberalism.
Grafted on November 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM
That was originally from a Churchill quote.
Kristopher on November 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Blow them up, please.
D2Boston on November 19, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Good catch….a quick google later….
“If you go on with this nuclear arms race, all you are going to do is make the rubble bounce”
LimeyGeek on November 19, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Sweet, but probably pretty serious overkill. I read that the RPG has an effective range of 100 yards. Good Lord, three guys with Barrett .50 cal sniper rifles could protect any ship in the world against some skinnies in a speedboat with an RPG.
What am I missing?
Jaibones on November 19, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Oh, and kill them.
Jaibones on November 19, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Follow the money.
shaken on November 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM
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