Page 6: Matthews still hates Hillary

posted at 11:10 am on November 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

As Joe Gandelman says, anyone in the media or politics should know better than to engage in a rant while riding on public transportation.  Chris Matthews, rumored to be considering a Senate bid in 2010, lives in both worlds, but apparently still hasn’t learned this lesson.  The New York Post’s Page 6 reports that after annoying fellow Acela riders with his snoring, Matthews awoke to give a loud tirade on Barack Obama’s rumored appointment of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State:

An avowed Clinton lover who was sitting next to Matthews reports: “He was in business class wearing a red baseball hat that said Penn on the back, and the fat [bleep] fell asleep on the train and snored with his mouth open.”

During the ride to DC, Matthews awoke from his nap. A fellow passenger asked him, “What’s the news tomorrow?” – to which Matthews loudly started talking about President-elect Barack Obama possibly picking Hillary as his secretary of state.

“I don’t understand it,” Matthews bellowed. “Why would he pick her? I thought we were done with the Clintons. She’ll just use it to build her power base. It’s Machiavellian. And then we’ll have Bill Clinton, too. I thought Obama didn’t want drama. He’s already got [chief of staff Rahm] Emanuel and [transition team leader John] Podesta. He’ll have even more drama with her.

“She’s just a soap opera. If he doesn’t pick her, everyone will say she’s been dissed again, we’ll have to live through that again.”

Matthews got criticized sharply during the primaries for his open contempt for Hillary and Bill Clinton.  He once dismissively told audiences that she owed her career to Bill Clinton’s infidelities, and described men who supported her candidacy as “castratos”.  He tried, as Page 6 notes, to walk back the hostility after the election, but only in terms of how well Hillary supported Obama.

However hostile and angry Matthews appears here, he does make a couple of good points.  It’s difficult to imagine why Obama has insisted on absorbing so many Clintonistas into his administration (or at least the transition), when he ran a campaign explicitly about relegating the Clintons and the Bushes to the past.  Obama’s change of direction indicates more pragmatism than we may have expected — which could be better news for us than for the Left that Matthews represents, and hence the frustration.

But why State?  Hillary has no personal experience at all in diplomacy, and only eight years in the Senate.  Surely she could suffice better at Justice, where she at least has some independent experience in prosecution (the Watergate hearings), or at Health & Human Services, which had been her area of interest before joining the Senate.   A State appointment would bring back the Tuzla Dash silliness, and keep more experienced candidates — like Richard Holbrooke or Bill Richardson — from hitting the ground running.

And, of course, a Hillary appointment anywhere brings Bill back as baggage.  He can be an asset on the campaign trail, although he seemed determined to prove otherwise in the primaries, but not in the halls of power.  How long before Bill embarrasses his wife again, and Barack Obama, with his behavior around young women or with his sudden penchant for blunt talk?  If Hillary served at Justice or HHS, that would be a minor concern, but on the international stage, it would be impossible to downplay.

You don’t have to hate Hillary to wonder what Obama was thinking with this trial balloon.


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But why State? Hillary has no personal experience at all in diplomacy, and only eight years in the Senate.

OMG, you’re right. She’s more qualified to be POTUS (than O! is).

Y-not on November 18, 2008 at 11:14 AM

I have a crazy theory about this… What if Obama is hiring Hillary so that he can fire her after 1 or 2 years? Once she resigns her senate seat its not easy to run for the Senate again. She could run for NY governor though, but by the time she gets fired I’m sure her reputation would not be so great because she got fired by the Messiah.

I would be surprised if Hillary accepts.

justinok on November 18, 2008 at 11:16 AM

It’s difficult to imagine why Obama has insisted on absorbing so many Clintonistas into his administration

Oh, let’s see….. Maybe it’s because BO won’t be able to take the training wheels off of his new bike for the next 4 yrs?

Just a guess.

Cody1991 on November 18, 2008 at 11:20 AM

NY is facing a 40 bil deficit. Who would ever want to be in charge of that??

Rich on November 18, 2008 at 11:20 AM

He’s possibly thinking what a great scapegoat she’ll make. However, BHO should remember two words….Vince Foster.

TugboatPhil on November 18, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Rather see her at state than the the DOJ. And the fact that Matthews hates her, is a plus in my eyes.

Blake on November 18, 2008 at 11:23 AM

I don’t know, for all this talk about Obama besting the Clintons for once for all, it sure doesn’t look like that’s necessarily the case.

BigD on November 18, 2008 at 11:24 AM

snored with his mouth open

The mischievous and maybe even cruel kid in me just thought of all kinds of funny and even sick things that could have been done in this situation. :/

abinitioadinfinitum on November 18, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Rather see her at state than the the DOJ. And the fact that Matthews hates her, is a plus in my eyes.

Blake on November 18, 2008 at 11:23 AM

And definitely better at State than on the Supreme Court.

Mr. D on November 18, 2008 at 11:24 AM

This is going to be a disaster!

Firebird on November 18, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Hmmm from what Allah posted yesterday on Chrissy Matthews. I was right… you could hear it in his voice concerning the contept he has over the Clintons.

I wonder why. Guess he just doesn’t get that shiver… ewww.

upinak on November 18, 2008 at 11:31 AM

I still think my theory’s the best: Barack wants to learn how to tap that sweet Saudi cash, and the Clintons are the world experts on that.

ErikTheRed on November 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM

This isn’t strange at all when you let go of the media created notion that Obama and his minions are the “smartest people in the world.” They are idiots and so is he. They don’t think anything through, they don’t need to because the media allows them to try something and then change it midstream after they realize how dumb it was with reporting on it.

echosyst on November 18, 2008 at 11:36 AM

This hatred for the Clintons is certainly new in origin. When Bill campaigned for John Kerry, Matthews was so excited about it and Bill’s appearance I thought he was having his own personal moment. He’s just so fickle.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2008 at 11:37 AM

I can’t wait for the drama.

lodge on November 18, 2008 at 11:38 AM

As I stated yesterday. Maybe The One has motive. Like getting her out of the Senate. Then firing her after a while. I did see in this mornings section that Bill’s dealings might cause conflict for the position. Well, we will see. I believe The One has a method. Only speculating of course.

sheebe on November 18, 2008 at 11:40 AM

chrissy makes me want to hurl!!! i bet he was spitting on everyone on that train. poor people! nobody deserves the spittle treatment!

sandlin71 on November 18, 2008 at 11:47 AM

…….get off your knees Matthews!

try again later on November 18, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Looks like “Hope ‘n Change” should be “Hope ‘n Reruns” with all the Clintonistas being appointed to The One’s cabinet.

I thought he knew everything and how to fix everything?

belad on November 18, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Senator Franken

Senator Matthews

And thus our world ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper.

pseudonominus on November 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Chrissy Matthew vs. Hillary Clinton.
Ooooh!
Everybody luvs a girlfight…

Bruno Strozek on November 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM

State, because the bureaucracy at State runs more or less by itself on the strength of careerists, and the Secretary doesn’t really have any ability to affect it?

philwynk on November 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM

I still don’t understand why everyone thinks Richardson would be a good SOS. Is this the same guy that didn’t know that showing the bottom of his shoe to Saddam Hussein was a BAD idea?

broker1 on November 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM

I still don’t understand why everyone thinks Richardson would be a good SOS. Is this the same guy that didn’t know that showing the bottom of his shoe to Saddam Hussein was a BAD idea?

broker1 on November 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Don’t sell him short. He likes his booze and has grabby hands, too!

Blake on November 18, 2008 at 12:02 PM

This is a sop to the Clinton faithful who sat out the election or voted for McCain. She’s a ghost, a political never was. Which means that she can remain in the Senate forever.
Obama’s best possible move? Keep Rice as SoS. She’s done no worse a job than all of her predecessors.

Doug on November 18, 2008 at 12:13 PM

No tingle, eh?

drjohn on November 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM

I have two competing theories.

1. As mentioned above on this thread, Obama and his people don’t know what the eff they’re doing. He’s got semi-competents like Susan Rice advising him, and theorists like Samantha Powers inspiring him, and none of them are actually capable of getting things done. Obama wasn’t even allowed to run his own sub-committee hearings, remember. He needs Hillary because she brings instant good will and knows some of these leaders.

2.Obama is setting Hillary up to be taken down by Dodd and Kerry in the Senate Foreign Relations confirmation hearings. Remember how cruel they were to Ashcroft? Remember Sen Tower?

MayBee on November 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM

A State appointment would bring back the Tuzla Dash silliness, and keep more experienced candidates — like Richard Holbrooke or Bill Richardson — from hitting the ground running.

I’m sorry but Holbrooke and Richardson but state is far too partisan with Clintonistas and Bush-haters. In that environment even Holbrooke and Richardson are far too partisan for the organization to work effectively. The next SECSTATE needs to be somebody respected by both sides of the aisle and all I keep seeing is Obama’s cheerleaders- most of which have marginal diplomatic experience.

To be taken seriously as a world leader, Bambi needs to find a nominee of unquestioned experience and ability. Richardson and Holbrooke don’t even speak diplomatically when discussing the current administration.

highhopes on November 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Obama is being too clever by half here. He is trying to use the old “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” technique with all the Clintonistas. And he is also trying to say “I’m big enough and sure enough of myself and my own enormity that I can put another enormous ego in charge at State.” He is playing to the historians here. Not even thinking about how it is actually going to work.

How is Hillary good enough to be his Sec. of State but she wasn’t good enough to be his running mate? Wouldn’t he have been better served by Hillary as a useless, powerless VP and Joe Biden as Sec. of State with all of his experience as chairman of Foreign Relations?

rockmom on November 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM

This is going to be a disaster!

Yes!! For Obama!!

LOL LOL LOL

izoneguy on November 18, 2008 at 12:26 PM

I see moving from U.S. Senator to SOS as a step down.

Not sure why she’d do this.

ex-Democrat on November 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Chrissy Matthew vs. Hillary Clinton.
Ooooh!
Everybody luvs a girlfight…

Bruno Strozek on November 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Well, perhaps Hillary can give Chrissy the extra set of balls that she has so he can be a real man.

As for the Hillary at State deal and the Clintonistas in general, it make sense why the Messiah would want them running his administration. Team Clinton is the only one with actual White House experience. It’s actually very practical on his part. T

he Messiah’s deal with Hillary at State is also very Machiavellian and practical. Putting Hillary in his Cabinet is “keeping your enemies closer.” It takes her out of the Senate where she could be a large problem for the Messiah and makes her into a more manageable problem. State was probably offered because it is a high profile position, unlike HHS. The only thing that I don’t get about the deal is why the Clintons would accept it. It seems to me that Hillary could gain more clout by staying in the Senate than she would by carrying Obama’s water for him.

Illinidiva on November 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Better Secretary of State than US Supreme Court Judge.

PappaMac on November 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM

But why State?

Could it be that a former community organizer is far more interested in domestic policy changes he can more or less control with a pliant Democratic Congress than in dealing with the non-photo op details of foreign policy, where even if the leaders of Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela or North Korea might have favored your election over the other guy, they’re not going to roll over on your command the way Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid are likely to do?

On a more pragmatic point, Hillary’s really about the toughest Democrat on foreign policy Obama can get it without sparking a revolt among the True Believers on the left, and she may be his attempt (along with Emmanuel and/or Podesta) to show some toughness towards those countries, so they won’t think Obama’s an easy mark. Of course, if Putin, Chavez or Amendinejad call his bluff and create some sort of international crisis, Barack will have to show some backbone on his own in a situation where blaming George W. Bush and/or throwing Hillary under the bus won’t cut it long-term with the majority of the voting public.

jon1979 on November 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Better Secretary of State than US Supreme Court Judge.

PappaMac on November 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM

You betcha!

Dee2008 on November 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Obama vs Clinton: Puppet Fight!!!

landlines on November 18, 2008 at 12:52 PM

I agree with rockmom above in that I also think that it is “keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”. Also consider…

…he would be pulling someone out of the Senate who bears a personal grudge against him. Even though she is a Dem, I could see her stalling or preventing bills that he favors just to exact revenge. He might be hoping for a replacement that would act more as a loyal toady.

…he would pull some Clinton supporters over to favoring his administration and cementing his position over the Democratic party (think 4 years from now).

…as someone else noted, he could be setting her up for firing in a few years, and thus harming her reputation and exacting his own revenge, ruining any chance for her to run against him in 2012 if his administration does poorly.

dominigan on November 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Poor Chrissy…Bwahahahahahaha!
He’s got to accept that the Clintoons will never ever go away and that a deal like this was in the bag for months when she wouldn’t end her campaign.
Maybe as SOS Hilly will be able to line up a higher class of escort for her ‘hubbie’ and find the right position for ‘their’ little girl.
Never a dull moment.

Christine on November 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Doris Kearns Goodwin will be plagiar writing Team of Rivals II: The Obama Years. A special foreward will be plagiar written by Joe Biden. Guess who will blurb the book?

msmveritas on November 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM

I agree with rockmom above in that I also think that it is “keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”. Also consider…

…he would be pulling someone out of the Senate who bears a personal grudge against him. Even though she is a Dem, I could see her stalling or preventing bills that he favors just to exact revenge. He might be hoping for a replacement that would act more as a loyal toady.

…he would pull some Clinton supporters over to favoring his administration and cementing his position over the Democratic party (think 4 years from now).

…as someone else noted, he could be setting her up for firing in a few years, and thus harming her reputation and exacting his own revenge, ruining any chance for her to run against him in 2012 if his administration does poorly.

dominigan on November 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM

All good theories. All of which benefit Obama. But I don’t see what Hillary gets out of the deal.

Illinidiva on November 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Once must keep in mind that this is a media and blogger-based hysteria about Obama picking Hillary for Secretary of State.
I have yet to see a clip of Obama or Hillary saying it is true.

All a dodge to distract from the fact that Obama can’t make up his mind on any of his cabinet members. (And does Michelle have veto power on any of them?)

The wrong story is being pursued regarding Obama’s cabinet picks.
Somebody check what is the normal timeline for an incoming President naming cabinet members?

albill on November 18, 2008 at 1:54 PM

So many insightful posters on here.

I agree with -jon1979 on November 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM- that Obama’s primary interest is in creating heaven on earth here at home and is happy to leave the tough stuff to the grownups, No matter what else I think of Hillary, she is a grown up and her tenure in New York has conditioned her to have a much more comforting stance on Israel/Iran in particular.

He’s not interested in foreign policy. I personally don’t think that his antiwar stance from back in 2002 that he used in Iowa and in other primaries to bludgeon Hillary was a matter of principle or a profile in courage as his sycophants in the media say it was.

I mean, cmon y’all, the guy doesn’t have any long standing principles. Power is principle to this guy.

I don’t know where you all were in the run up to the war in 2003, but I was living in Philadelphia and the antiwar movement there was very strong. I’m sure their two-bit low life city politicians got up on soapboxes and decried the war too, just as Obama did in Chicago.

It took absolutely NO political courage to speak out against the war in most of America’s major cities. NONE.

Obama is sleeping just fine at night with Hillary at the wheel at Foggy Bottom. He could care less about the differences on the war. He’s in power now. That was the whole endgame.

gippergal1984 on November 18, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Why Hillary at State? A combination of Obama’s lack of interest and aversion to personal risk in the foreign arena, and (the most likely and disturbing possibility of all) that when it comes to dealing with the rest of the world, Obama actually believes his own charisma will make everything just work out.

Given the free ride he just got from doing drugs on the South side of Chicago, to Harvard, the Illinois Senate, the US Senate, to the White House, Barack could be foregiven for thinking he can do no wrong… remember, the MSM has yet to identify an instance of this occurring in his life to date!

drunyan8315 on November 18, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Tingles up his leg for Obama and hate for a strong and agressive woman, hmmmmm……

Common Sense on November 18, 2008 at 3:27 PM

god another four years of seeing matthews
have and on air orgasm over obamessiah.

tamtam20 on November 18, 2008 at 3:29 PM

So many insightful posters on here.

I agree with -jon1979 on November 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM- that Obama’s primary interest is in creating heaven on earth here at home and is happy to leave the tough stuff to the grownups, No matter what else I think of Hillary, she is a grown up and her tenure in New York has conditioned her to have a much more comforting stance on Israel/Iran in particular.

He’s not interested in foreign policy. I personally don’t think that his antiwar stance from back in 2002 that he used in Iowa and in other primaries to bludgeon Hillary was a matter of principle or a profile in courage as his sycophants in the media say it was.

I mean, cmon y’all, the guy doesn’t have any long standing principles. Power is principle to this guy.

I don’t know where you all were in the run up to the war in 2003, but I was living in Philadelphia and the antiwar movement there was very strong. I’m sure their two-bit low life city politicians got up on soapboxes and decried the war too, just as Obama did in Chicago.

It took absolutely NO political courage to speak out against the war in most of America’s major cities. NONE.

Obama is sleeping just fine at night with Hillary at the wheel at Foggy Bottom. He could care less about the differences on the war. He’s in power now. That was the whole endgame.

gippergal1984 on November 18, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Yep.. it took absolutely no courage to do what the Messiah did. In fact, it probably allowed himself to pimp himself on the local news for a few minutes. At the time he was a no name state Senator who was probably polling at about 2% in the Dem. primary for IL’s U.S. Senate seat, so the free publicity was probably welcome.

An act of political courage in Chicago would have been to skip out on the Ayers’ coffees, suggest that Reverand Wright tone down his rhetoric, or call for an investigation of the Daley administration.

Illinidiva on November 18, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Illinidiva on November 18, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Obama goes along to get along. Period. He just wants to be liked so badly.

Not to get psychoanalytic on y’all, but I think it has a lot to do with the fact that both his parents seemed to be self centered, flighty idiots for whom poor Barry was always an afterthought. He’s always trying to prove something to himself, it seems.

gippergal1984 on November 18, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Whenever he speaks,, always remember the commitment he publicly made,,, “to do everything he can to see that Obama succeeds.”

JellyToast on November 18, 2008 at 6:15 PM