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Obama won’t investigate terror interrogators

posted at 2:00 pm on November 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Strike another hope of the Left from the incoming Barack Obama administration.  Associated Press reports that Obama will not pursue criminal investigations into the interrogations of terrorist detainees once in office.  He plans instead a forward-looking panel to return recommendations for future policy rather than pursue a potentially divisive prosecutorial policy:

Barack Obama’s incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists during the George W. Bush presidency. Obama, who has criticized the use of torture, is being urged by some constitutional scholars and human rights groups to investigate possible war crimes by the Bush administration.

Two Obama advisers said there’s little — if any — chance that the incoming president’s Justice Department will go after anyone involved in authorizing or carrying out interrogations that provoked worldwide outrage. …

Obama has committed to reviewing interrogations on al-Qaida and other terror suspects. After he takes office in January, Obama is expected to create a panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to study interrogations, including those using waterboarding and other tactics that critics call torture. The panel’s findings would be used to ensure that future interrogations are undisputedly legal.

As the AP points out, Bush could pre-empt any investigation simply by issuing pardons to those involved in interrogations.  In fact, Bush is likely to do just that, and he may start soon.  Now that the elections have concluded (except in Georgia), the political risk is nil, and it would protect the people on whom he relied to keep the nation safe.  The only person Bush couldn’t pardon would be himself, and the spectacle of a President prosecuting his predecessor would explode partisan passions in Washington, bringing the capital to a halt for years.

As Patrick Leahy bluntly put it, that’s simply not going to happen. Obama needs to demonstrate that he can move forward with his own agenda.  He’ll be satisfied to generate a finding that gives Bush a historical black mark, if even that much.  The latest signals seem to indicate that Obama may not have that much interest in the issue and could relegate it to a low-profile, pro forma effort.

How would that play politically?  The MoveOn/Code Pink wing of his support will be outraged, but they live in perpetual outrage, and they’ll get over it … eventually.  Putting aside a divisive effort targeting the outgoing administration might win Obama some good will from the Republicans, at least in the initial months of his administration.  When George Bush leaves office, a great deal of the focus on him will also depart, which will make any attempt to prosecute intel agents who relied on Justice findings of legality both unwelcome and unwise.

I think a careful review of interrogation policy, with a non-partisan and credible panel using an open mind cognizant of the dangers we face, wouldn’t necessarily be a bad idea.  We do have a responsibility to set rational policies for national security, and that should involve periodic oversight of how those policies get implemented in the field.  I’m not certain that we can actually get a non-partisan panel with an open mind, but at the least we should support an attempt to do so.


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BadgerHawk on November 18, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Hope! Change!

thirteen28 on November 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM

2012: A Space OdysseyThe Year Republicans Run against a 4th Bush Term

jp on November 18, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Hope and cave we can believe in.

Abby Adams on November 18, 2008 at 2:05 PM

I’m beginning to think Obama is a conservative “sleeper”.

automatthew on November 18, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Odopey is a fool.

dinkyjackson on November 18, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Someone should start a blog called Obama’s Broken Promises and keep a running tally.

Jay on November 18, 2008 at 2:08 PM

0bama can’t think for himself on anything.

‘Present’………

Sponge on November 18, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Bush now needs to pardon Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

N15PCA on November 18, 2008 at 2:09 PM

OT: the chicoms are moving to buy up GM and Chrysler

lodge on November 18, 2008 at 2:10 PM

here

lodge on November 18, 2008 at 2:10 PM

If they aren’t going to do this, I fear they may also eschew war crimes trials for Bush and Cheney…

Vashta.Nerada on November 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM

I wonder if Mathews still has that tingle in the leg when he sees Obama. If this continues will Oberman turn on him.

Irvin88 on November 18, 2008 at 2:12 PM

This guy is getting awesomer by the day!

askheaves on November 18, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Poor bus …

Reject Obamaism, in all it’s forms.

tarpon on November 18, 2008 at 2:14 PM

What, no screeching witch hunts? No theatrical frog marches, choreographed by pink-wearing heiress hags from San Francisco?

So disappointing. I was looking forward to watching Dennis Kucinich conduct hearings, in between his encounters with UFOs and/or Shirley MacLaine.

Gilda on November 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Misdirection play…

He does not want Bush to grant blanket anmestys, so he is putting out the messege that they won’t investigate…

Then once in office, he will send a signal to his allies in Congress, who will then hold hearings and “force” him to investigate…

Stand by, the nutroots won’t let Barry move to the Center, in anything but rhetoric.

Romeo13 on November 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Someone should start a blog called Obama’s Broken Promises and keep a running tally.

Jay on November 18, 2008 at 2:08 PM

I agree.

INC on November 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I just finished reading Vince Flynn’s book “Extreme Measures”, It addresses the problems we face if our ability to get information is impeded. I recomend everyone read it.

dalec on November 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM

From Crooks and Liars:

However, that’s not the thing that took my breath away in this clip. Listen as Shuster and Turley both matter-of-factly admit that one of the problems that Obama has in committing to close Guantanamo is what to do with the detainees there because some of them could not go through our criminal justice system due to lack of evidence to hold them or because they’ve been tortured. No outrage. No wringing of hands that these people still exist, years later, within Guantanamo, as we count down the days until George Bush is finally out of office.

Yet the media can get up in arms about Hillary Clinton can “subvert her agenda” to serve as Secretary of State and rehash that ad nauseam? We can have an academic discussion on presidential pardons (and not fail to mention Clinton, mind you), but when it come to authentic crimes against humanity that merit a full blown trial in The Hague, the media yawns, as if it’s just par for course.

My god, when did we lose our moral compass that this kind of atrocity is an academic discussion instead of a rallying call for justice? Per Robert Jay Lifton, this is our American Apocalypse.

terryannonline on November 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM

The panel’s findings would be used to ensure that future interrogations are undisputedly legal.

This approach reduces conflict and time to implement whatever Obama wants to do on interrogation.

There will need to be pressure to ensure that future interrogations are effective, with some limitations on technique.

Watch this guy, so he cannot take the easy, leftist way out.

Right_of_Attila on November 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM

I thought he said “dry leaves” but he really meant “dry heaves” so I laughed and went to get some orange juice.

mylegsareswollen on November 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Jay on November 18, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Also, Obama’s apologies. So far: 1 press conference. 1 apology.

Batting 1.000! M.V.P. O.Ba.Ma. M.V.P.!

Abby Adams on November 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Wow, what a great politician – he’ll have everyone hating him.

kybowexar on November 18, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Who in DC is bi-partisan and credible enough to be on a panel?

Tom

marinetbryant on November 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM

O’Same.

jimmy the notable on November 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM

the spectacle of a President prosecuting his predecessor would explode partisan passions in Washington, bringing the capital to a halt for years.

Bring it. The best thing that could happen to this country right now is the capital grinding to a hault for years.

Yes, I am feeling quite glum after watching the “How Obama won” vid.

crazy_legs on November 18, 2008 at 2:23 PM

The One can’t keep his promises or his thoughts in check. Flip flop again. Seems there are a lot of trolls around here now.

sheebe on November 18, 2008 at 2:25 PM

When it comes to Obama’s naive and simplistic view of the ‘War of Terror’, I do believe his security briefing as President-Elect has put the fear of God into Obama (and I don’t mean the Cone Black Liberation Theology god either). Now Obama knows what Bush has done to prevent another attack on our soil since 9/11, and he is dearly afraid of being shown up by the Evil Bushhitler; Obama doesn’t have the excuse of not knowing about the seriousness of the terror threats, and any failure during his Presidency due to relaxing our guard by downgrading security rules will make Obama look like the fool he is. Which can only be a bad thing for Obama supporters and a good thing for the country. Obama is now getting a clue by four upside his arrogant head. And it couldn’t happen to a more deserving jerk.

So here’s to many more broken Obama promises. May they come fast and often.

RickZ on November 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Yes, I am feeling quite glum after watching the “How Obama won” vid.

crazy_legs on November 18, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Me too! Made me feel much more intelligent! :)

sheebe on November 18, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Seems there are a lot of trolls around here now.

sheebe on November 18, 2008 at 2:25 PM

I don’t see any trollers in this thread. But yes, the last open floodgate did bring in a bunch.

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Who in DC is bi-partisan and credible enough to be on a panel?

McLame?

lodge on November 18, 2008 at 2:29 PM

So here’s to many more broken Obama promises. May they come fast and often.

RickZ on November 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM

great point! Now he knows the dangers that is ahead of him! Now he is the most protective err uh, Ruler. I would think he is wakening up, but still we don’t know what he is about.

sheebe on November 18, 2008 at 2:30 PM

I don’t see any trollers in this thread. But yes, the last open floodgate did bring in a bunch.

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Is why I am on here! sorry, meant on other topics in here

sheebe on November 18, 2008 at 2:31 PM

How would that play politically? The MoveOn/Code Pink wing of his support will be outraged, but they live in perpetual outrage, and they’ll get over it … eventually.

Bill Clinton. WTO protests. Seattle 1999.

The left will cut Obama some slack, hoping … hoping … hoping he’ll turn into the slayer of all things George W. Bush they expected him to be (along with the harbinger of a new era of redistributionism in America). But in the end, if Obama keeps appointing Clinton people and mimics Bush’s foreign policy they’re not going to just shrug their shoulders and quietly melt away.

jon1979 on November 18, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Hiya, sheebe!

Yep. There were a bunch of them out this morning and last night on the “alternative lifestyle” thread. I don’t want to say the word, or they might appear.

I would say that little briefing with dubya the other day was QUITE a wake up call.

kingsjester on November 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Obama is expected to create a panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to study interrogations

If that’s the case he’d better capture the likes of Osama and Zawahiri in a hurry, so they’re available to serve on the panel.

fogw on November 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM

I would think he is wakening up, but still we don’t know what he is about.

sheebe on November 18, 2008 at 2:30 PM

If you don’t know what the Magic Mulatto, the Affirmative Action President, is all about by now, you haven’t been paying attention. Obama is a Marxist, pure and simple, and anything that impedes his che’nges can only be a good thing for the Country, including the pressure of being The One in charge, with the only fall guy being Obama, himself. With his arrogance and narcissism, any failure due to his ‘policies’ will make him implode. Which will be fun to watch. As I said, couldn’t happen to a more rotten — and deserving — jerk.

RickZ on November 18, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Bush now needs to pardon Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

N15PCA on November 18, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I will be very pissed if he doesn’t pardon them. Then again, he hasn’t really shown that he gives a damn about protecting our borders, or those that are trying to.

Rambler on November 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Hmm, could it be that Dear Leader doesn’t want to set a precedent, lest it boomerang back on Him?

rbj on November 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Or could it be he is lying, hoping the Pres will not do the preemptive pardons, so he can have them prosecuted after Bush leaves office.

Exactly what record of being truthful on SamiBamis part are we relying on here? If I was one of the interrogators, I would want the pardon in my pocket before Jan. 20.

Skywatcher44 on November 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Obama is expected to create a panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to study interrogations

LOL… COOL!!! so now we’ll pour Billions of dollars into interegation techniques… and create:

The Deparment of Homeland Interregation?

Romeo13 on November 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Let’s wait and see what actually happens. Although, given his record of things he’s actually done, I think it’s safe to say he may not do anything about anything.

hawksruleva on November 18, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Screams of betrayal from the Left in 5…4…3…2…

irishspy on November 18, 2008 at 3:11 PM

8 more years!

Chuck Schick on November 18, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Seemingly, liberals are all talk. Smoke and mirrors as it were. Anemic policy for an anemic constituancy. Yet, they never learn.

Griz on November 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Bush now needs to pardon Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

N15PCA on November 18, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Agreed. Call 202-456-1111 and let Bush know we need to free our wrongly jailed Border Patrol Agents.

HornetSting on November 18, 2008 at 3:25 PM

I wonder if Mathews still has that tingle in the leg when he sees Obama. If this continues will Oberman turn on him.

Irvin88 on November 18, 2008 at 2:12 PM

This is how the People’s temple of Obama will handle this news:(via Glenn Greenwald/Salon dot com)

obama on FISA
Keith Olbermann: Then and now

Olbermann added that telecom amnesty was a “shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism — the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government.” Noting the numerous telecom lobbyists connected to the Bush administration, Olbermann said:
This is no longer just a farce in which protecting telecoms is dressed up as protecting us from terrorists conference cells. Now it begins to look like the bureaucrats of the Third Reich, trying to protect the Krupp family, the industrial giants, re-writing the laws of Germany for their benefit.
Olbermann closed by scoffing at the idea that telecom amnesty or revisions to FISA were necessary to help National Security:
There is not a choice of protecting the telecoms from prosecution or protecting the people from terrorism, Sir. This is a choice of protecting the telecoms from prosecution or pretending to protect the people from terrorists. Sorry, Mr. Bush, the eavesdropping provisions of FISA have obviously had no impact on counter-terrorism, and there is no current or perceived terrorist threat the thwarting of which could hinge on an email or phone call that is going through Room 641 of AT&T in San Francisco.

Strong and righteous words indeed. But that was five whole months ago, when George Bush was urging enactment of a law with retroactive immunity and a lessening of FISA protections. Now that Barack Obama supports a law that does the same thing — and now that Obama justifies that support by claiming that this bill is necessary to keep us Safe from the Terrorists — everything has changed.

Last night, Olbermann invited Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter onto his show to discuss Obama’s support for the FISA and telecom amnesty bill (video of the segment is here). There wasn’t a syllable uttered about “immunizing corporate criminals” or “textbook examples of Fascism” or the Third Reich. There wasn’t a word of rational criticism of the bill either. Instead, the two media stars jointly hailed Obama’s bravery and strength — as evidenced by his “standing up to the left” in order to support this important centrist FISA compromise:
OLBERMANN: Asked by “Rolling Stone” publisher, Jann Wenner, about how Democrats have cowered in the wake of past Republican attacks, Senator Obama responding, quote, “Yeah, I don’t do cowering.” That’s evident today in at least three issues . . .
Senator Obama also refusing to cower even to the left on the subject of warrantless wiretapping. He’s planning to vote for the FISA compromise legislation, putting him at odds with members of his own party

. . .

You getting this,they wanted to impeach Bush over FISA,calling him a facist.
Obama says “it’s okay,lets do it”,and now it is a show of strength.

This is what it means to be an “Obama progressive”.
What ever you say Obama
Yes sir Obama
You are going to save the world Obama
Hope and Change for everybody
Going to war in Pakistan and Darfur is okay if Obama says so
Obama is the next FDR,JFK,Lincoln, we must follow
Obama the community organizer is going to show us the way

Yea right,it’s the Republicans and Christians that are the crazy ones.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2008 at 3:33 PM

It might have occurred to Obama that once he becomes president, he might have to do some of the same things Bush did.

Terrye on November 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Can you issue a pardon before you have a conviction?

njcommuter on November 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Now if we he would just break whatever secret promises he made with his Marxist professors, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Emanuel, Acorn, Labor Unions, etc.

shick on November 18, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Bush now needs to pardon Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

N15PCA on November 18, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Could have sworn I heard this morning on Fox that he’s already turned down the request for pardon, but maybe I’m wrong. Was very disheartened when I at least (thought) I heard that.

Chewy the Lab on November 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM

President Bush had better pardon these interrogators while he still can. It’s very easy for Obama to say NOW, when he’s not yet President, that he won’t prosecute the interrogators, then go back on his word once he becomes President.

He already has gone back on his word before. A few more broken promises, what does it matter when you’re the One?

Steve Z on November 18, 2008 at 5:10 PM

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