Minnesota Recount: Coleman victory certified today, recount tomorrow

posted at 8:35 am on November 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

A necessary step in the resolution to the Minnesota Senate race will take place this afternoon when the state Canvassing Board will certify the election results and declare Norm Coleman the winner.  The action clears the way for Minnesota to begin the automatic recount tomorrow.  The Canvassing Board will reject a demand from Al Franken’s campaign that they add in previously rejected ballots before certification, based on an opinion from the state’s AG:

DFLer Al Franken asked Monday to have rejected absentee ballots be considered in the U.S. Senate election results that are to be certified today by a state board, a move later blunted by an attorney general’s opinion that the issue should be left to the courts.

The eleventh-hour maneuvering occurred as the five-member state Canvassing Board prepared to meet at 1 p.m. today in St. Paul to review results showing Republican Sen. Norm Coleman with a lead of 215 votes out of more than 2.9 million cast.

That margin includes the canvassed results submitted by Minnesota’s 87 counties, plus an additional nine votes in Coleman’s favor that emerged from a post-election audit conducted in a sampling of about 200 precincts to check the accuracy of voting machines.

Franken’s brief wanted “improperly” rejected absentee ballots added back into the count, but that would have ground the entire process to a halt.  It would have tied up Minnesota’s Canvassing Board for weeks while the Franken campaign challenged every rejected ballot.  They have already lied about at least one of the ballots they used as an example of supposedly improper rejections, and we would have to wade through a veritable flood of fictional sob stories before we could get down to the business of recounts.

What does this mean for the recount?  It will start on the assumption that the ballots counted are the only ones eligible, and only miscounts will change the results.  That makes it more difficult for Franken to make up enough ground to catch Coleman.  Most precincts used machine counts, which are highly accurate.  A subsequent recount may shift votes slightly, but statistically speaking, the shifts should favor no candidate unduly — unlike the “errors” made after Election Night, whose corrections favored only Franken.

Without a doubt, Franken will wind up suing over the absentee ballots after the recount, but the recount has to take place first.  The certification has to take place before the recount.  Franken wants to turn that entire process on its head, demanding that clear election law be ignored in a desperate attempt to hijack the election.  With that kind of attitude, Franken will certainly not blithely accept defeat, even a second time, without attempting to steal a Senate seat through the courts.

If you’re in Minnesota, you can volunteer for recount efforts.  Visit Norm Coleman’s website, call his office at 651-645-0766, or e-mail the office for more information.

Update: The Canvassing Board has not yet rejected Franken’s request but is expected to do so when they meet today.  I’ve adjusted the lead paragraph to note that.


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Franken’s a tool.

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2008 at 8:38 AM

Well, a recount is a recount, so if the task is to make sure the ballots were counted properly, they should examine each and every ballot, including the allegedly spoiled ones.

To not do so makes the whole exercise just a spectacular waste of time and a political circus.

Mistakes made in the original count will be overturned, so the same discipline should happen to spoiled ballots.

Next.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Coleman is the winner, it is certified…now Franken has to “take” the election from him.
Franken will kick and scream for months, meanwhile, Coleman will be the certified winner.
Let Franken squirm…

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Spoiled ballots are ballots returned at the polling place because the voter decided to change his mind while voting at the polls. It can be difficult to erase a mark, so he asks for a clean ballot and the spoiled one is defaced and placed in the spoiled box so it is not accidentally counted.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM

All votes are certified, under lock and key, so I do not think anymore “mysterious” votes will appear. If they do then their has to be irrefutable documentation that they were never out of control of the election board…other words, votes in a trunk won’t count.

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 8:44 AM

All the computer tapes from the machines were signed by all the election judges from both parties in each polling place. Coleman asked for copies of all signed tapes.

It will be interesting to see if they appear, in original form, and the ballots (sorted and sealed into unused, spoiled and voted packages) are still secure.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Franken logic was that if they voted for Obama, and not for the senate seat, that their must have been a mistake and he should then get the vote.
Honestly, that was what he initially wanted to happen.
What his side called “an incomplete ballot”…never thinking the person could care less about the senate race. Many people vote only for the Presidential race. Many people never vote for judges. They dropped that for a report that ballots were rejected because the signatures did not match…they dropped that when that was debunked.

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Spoiled ballots are ballots returned at the polling place because the voter decided to change his mind while voting at the polls. It can be difficult to erase a mark, so he asks for a clean ballot and the spoiled one is defaced and placed in the spoiled box so it is not accidentally counted.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM
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Yes. But that’s not what I’m talking about.

I’m talking about the ballots the vote counters incorrectly asses as being spoiled.

They have to look at all the votes or the recount is a joke, so the armies of lawyers on both sides should stfu.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Franken logic was that if they voted for Obama, and not for the senate seat, that their must have been a mistake and he should then get the vote.
Honestly, that was what he initially wanted to happen.
What his side called “an incomplete ballot”…never thinking the person could care less about the senate race. Many people vote only for the Presidential race. Many people never vote for judges. They dropped that for a report that ballots were rejected because the signatures did not match…they dropped that when that was debunked.

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM
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If Franken actually made that argument, then he’s a fu*king idiot. Lots of people choose to not vote for every position on a ballot.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:53 AM

And the American voting system is retarded. There should be a standard way to vote across the country. It’s ridiculous that there are half a dozen different ways to cast a vote.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:55 AM

My God, hey Franken – stein why don’t you lose gracefully?…I would add “with honor,” but he never had any to begin with. >:(

mindhacker on November 18, 2008 at 8:57 AM

well, at least coleman has a “certified” win. that’s one positive step forward. thank goodness. now, on to Georgia.

kelley in virginia on November 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM

If the card reader cannot read a ballot, it rejects it. Then it can be viewed right then and there, so the voter can ask for a fresh ballot or can take it back and mark it more clearly.

Franken has tried two arguments:

1) Where the box for Franken is completely blank, but OBama got a vote, one should “assume” the voter meant to vote for Obama. This assumes that voters can’t split a ticket or leave some offices blank because they can’t stand either candidate. This is pure speculation.

2) He wants rejected absentee ballots re-examined. I used to vote absentee in the 1990s and got a punch card ballot
and a return envelope. I was to put my address and signature on the return envelope and mail the ballot back in it. If the return envelope is not properly filled out (or even left blank), the ballot could be rejected. But the envelope is examined before it is opened. No one knows for whom the person voted on the ballot inside (although their voter registration might give a clue.). Presumably the election judges from both parties oversee this, and don’t reject ballots for minor inconsistencies.

Franken tried a fake sob story about an elderly woman whose signature changed when she had a stroke, and so her envelope was rejected. Turned out she did not exist (the county officials verified this, since Franken identified the county.)

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Spoiled ballots are ballots returned at the polling place because the voter decided to change his mind while voting at the polls. It can be difficult to erase a mark, so he asks for a clean ballot and the spoiled one is defaced and placed in the spoiled box so it is not accidentally counted.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM

You’re talking logic. Drywall does not do logic. Besides, if what you say is true, then there is a better than 50/50 chance that the people who were stuipd enough to screw up a machine ballot probably were democrats, and they are entitled to at least two votes. That is normal for them. So I’m sure Drywall meant to say those spoiled ballots shold be counted – for Frankin.

MikeA on November 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM

People interested in the Coleman race may also want to know that Ed said yesterday that he’s talking with Saxby Chambliss on his show today at 3:00pm Eastern Time. We all know that victory in the GA Senate race is essential to keeping as much socialism as we can out of America.

thuja on November 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM

And the American voting system is retarded. There should be a standard way to vote across the country. It’s ridiculous that there are half a dozen different ways to cast a vote.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:55 AM

You are correct, common sense would tell you that.

National elections should be a holiday, so ‘everyone’ can get to the polls that want to vote.

The polls across the country should ALL open and close at the same time GMT. If they have to stay open 16 hours, OK.

belad on November 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Where is Joe the plumber? We need him to clear the clog of sh!t (trolls) on Hot Air this am….

beththebaker on November 18, 2008 at 9:09 AM

We all know that victory in the GA Senate race is essential to keeping as much socialism as we can out of America.

thuja on November 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Unfortunately, Saxby is a RINO and as I have stated before, I will eat a large lunch, vote for Chambliss and then PURGE…

beththebaker on November 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Here’s a tool that you can use to find the probability that Norm Coleman will retain a lead over Al Franken in the recount of the original, qualified ballots.

ironman on November 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM

You’re talking logic. Drywall does not do logic. Besides, if what you say is true, then there is a better than 50/50 chance that the people who were stuipd enough to screw up a machine ballot probably were democrats, and they are entitled to at least two votes. That is normal for them. So I’m sure Drywall meant to say those spoiled ballots shold be counted – for Frankin.

MikeA on November 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM
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If you can’t keep up with a simple discussion, stfu.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM

And the American voting system is retarded. There should be a standard way to vote across the country. It’s ridiculous that there are half a dozen different ways to cast a vote.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:55 AM

True. And Minnesota’s is actually one of the most carefully planned to ensure that the count is honest.

As Powerline noted, it’s in the registration that the fraud is really occurring. People can register on election day, vote a provisional ballot, and then move on to another pollng place… There is little cross-checking.

Given some fake IDs, you can register to vote at an accomodating address (what some NY Obama campaign workers did in Ohio), and ask for an absentee ballot. The occupant of the address just forwards the absentee ballot.

In Ohio, homeless people can register a park bench as their address (as well as a homeless shelter).

Democrats fiercely oppose voter ID laws, even when free IDs are offered for the poor, because they know that all the fake and dead voters will be excised from the voting lists.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM

heh heh. Lets get the Presidential election certification under way. Lets start with whether the winner is even a citizen that these morons were in such a hurry to vote in.
Oh we know how much Sarah Palins clothes cost though don’t we?
friggin morons.

johnnyU on November 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM

Go to hell, Minnesota. Find yourself another country.

Percy_Peabody on November 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM

…wants to turn that entire process on its head, demanding that clear election law be ignored in a desperate attempt to hijack the election.

Deja Vu.

Kafir on November 18, 2008 at 9:15 AM

asses as being spoiled.
Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Sums up Franken and his supporters. just sayin’

thomasaur on November 18, 2008 at 9:15 AM

You are correct, common sense would tell you that.

National elections should be a holiday, so ‘everyone’ can get to the polls that want to vote.

The polls across the country should ALL open and close at the same time GMT. If they have to stay open 16 hours, OK.

belad on November 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM
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I totally agree.

It would be an enoormous expense, but if they voted over 2 days then a single, more reasonable “polls are closed” time could be selected. i.e. polls close at 9 pm PST and that is that, rather than this staggered nonsense.

To keep the drama up, results could be disclosed alphabetically, advancing by one state each election.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:53 AM

Franken made the exact argument that you say would prove he is an idiot.

That argument is the basis for Franken’s attempt to include more ballots.

At least Franken is certifiable — to a mental health facility.

Right_of_Attila on November 18, 2008 at 9:18 AM

If the card reader cannot read a ballot, it rejects it. Then it can be viewed right then and there, so the voter can ask for a fresh ballot or can take it back and mark it more clearly.

Franken has tried two arguments:

1) Where the box for Franken is completely blank, but OBama got a vote, one should “assume” the voter meant to vote for Obama. This assumes that voters can’t split a ticket or leave some offices blank because they can’t stand either candidate. This is pure speculation.

2) He wants rejected absentee ballots re-examined. I used to vote absentee in the 1990s and got a punch card ballot
and a return envelope. I was to put my address and signature on the return envelope and mail the ballot back in it. If the return envelope is not properly filled out (or even left blank), the ballot could be rejected. But the envelope is examined before it is opened. No one knows for whom the person voted on the ballot inside (although their voter registration might give a clue.). Presumably the election judges from both parties oversee this, and don’t reject ballots for minor inconsistencies.

Franken tried a fake sob story about an elderly woman whose signature changed when she had a stroke, and so her envelope was rejected. Turned out she did not exist (the county officials verified this, since Franken identified the county.)

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM
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Franken’s first argument is beyond stupid.

I do think a recount requires that each and every ballot should be re-looked at, spoiled or not spoiled or maybe spoiled. Is the true result important or not?

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:19 AM

Well, a recount is a recount, so if the task is to make sure the ballots were counted properly, they should examine each and every ballot, including the allegedly spoiled ones.
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Mistakes made in the original count will be overturned, so the same discipline should happen to spoiled ballots.
Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Yeah, that makes stuffing the ballot box a lot easier. An election this close is plainly within the margin of fraud. It is not hard to fake a few thousand votes. Hell, over 500 votes magically appeared for Franken before the recount even began, and as a statistical matter, it appeared to almost certainly be fraud. (The extra votes “found” for Franken were greater than the total number of extra votes “found” on the same ballots for all other candidates for president, house, and state races…COMBINED… This result can almost never happen by chance.)

I will agree with your 8:55 comment, though, that we really need to do a better job with our elections. I would propose the following: (1) Photo ID required; (2) automatic and real-time vote counting and validation mechanism (whether a scanner for a bubble sheet ballot or a verification sheet from an electronic voting machine) to ensure voters that their vote is valid and was counted; (3) at least one representative from each major political party must be present during voting and the vote counting in every polling location(*); and (4) no early voting except for military families, the disabled, people in hospitals, or people who will be out of their counties on election day.

(*) This was a huge problem in Ohio, where I live. Under state law, the four election “judges” in each precinct are supposed to be no more than 2 from a single party, and all judges must live in a certain radius of the precinct. In Ohio, you are only “registered” as a member of a political party if you vote in a primary. The system is designed to ensure that the election judges are two Repubs and two Dems. But in reality, in Democratic strongholds, all four judges are Democrats — just two Democrats who vote in primaries and two that don’t. There were dozens of precincts in Cleveland, East Cleveland, and other communities where, in 2004, only one or two votes for Bush were cast. This is a major recipe for fraud… If an unscrupulous person stuffs the ballot box, or brings a van-full of homeless people in to illegally vote, maybe the people look the other way.

Outlander on November 18, 2008 at 9:19 AM

True. And Minnesota’s is actually one of the most carefully planned to ensure that the count is honest.

As Powerline noted, it’s in the registration that the fraud is really occurring. People can register on election day, vote a provisional ballot, and then move on to another pollng place… There is little cross-checking.

Given some fake IDs, you can register to vote at an accomodating address (what some NY Obama campaign workers did in Ohio), and ask for an absentee ballot. The occupant of the address just forwards the absentee ballot.

In Ohio, homeless people can register a park bench as their address (as well as a homeless shelter).

Democrats fiercely oppose voter ID laws, even when free IDs are offered for the poor, because they know that all the fake and dead voters will be excised from the voting lists.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM
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It’s ridiculous that Americans have four year’s warning for the next election and people STILL don’t register in time. I say screw them. Close registration a month or so before the election.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:21 AM

asses as being spoiled.
Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Sums up Franken and his supporters. just sayin’

thomasaur on November 18, 2008 at 9:15 AM
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Ha!

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Franken’s first argument is beyond stupid.

I do think a recount requires that each and every ballot should be re-looked at, spoiled or not spoiled or maybe spoiled. Is the true result important or not?

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:19 AM

A MN election judge posted here a while back on this. Spoiled ballots are clearly marked as such, defaced and put in a separate box from the voted ones. The voter who turned in the spoiled ballot got a second ballot. That’s why you can’t count the spoiled ones.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 9:23 AM

At least we have something to pray about.

Mojave Mark on November 18, 2008 at 9:26 AM

It’s ridiculous that Americans have four year’s warning for the next election and people STILL don’t register in time. I say screw them. Close registration a month or so before the election.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Most states do close registration a month before. But people are quite mobile here, and forget to re-register when they move, so they can be barred. Congress passed the provisional ballot law to ensure that they can vote, yet their votes are separated pending some kind of verification. But when a park bench is your address or a homeless shelter…

In some places (Pittsburgh in 2004), the polls ran out of provisional ballots. A crowd of voters just before the polls closed demanded to vote (possibly planned in advance). So all they could do was let them vote on the machines.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 9:27 AM

The voter who turned in the spoiled ballot got a second ballot. That’s why you can’t count the spoiled ones.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Wethal, every vote for Al Franken must be counted! I’m reminded of the Florida recount in 2000 where that judge in Florida (with the glasses and a blue shirt) was counting the hanging chads and had piles of votes on his desk — one pile for extra Gore votes, one pile for extra Bush votes. There were like 50 ballots in the Gore pile and 2 in the Bush pile. Yesssss…. All votes for Al Franken must be counted no matter what!

Outlander on November 18, 2008 at 9:28 AM

Franken logic was that if they voted for Obama, and not for the senate seat, that their must have been a mistake and he should then get the vote.
Honestly, that was what he initially wanted to happen.

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Franken made the exact argument that you say would prove he is an idiot.

Right_of_Attila on November 18, 2008 at 9:18 AM

right2bright and Right_of_Attila, I don’t think Franken ever said why you’re claiming he did. We discussed this in the previous thread.

If you can find a quote from the Franken campaign that suggests that they said, “We would like to count as a Franken vote ballots which have a vote for Obama but no physical indication of a vote for Franken,” please post it. I don’t think they ever said this. I think there was speculation that some ballots that had initially been counted as a senate non-vote would turn out to be a mistake (with physical proof of a vote for one of the senate candidates), and that these would favor Franken slightly because there are more such ballots that are also votes for Obama than for McCain. Please find a source that corrects this if I’m wrong.

tneloms on November 18, 2008 at 9:35 AM

Outlander on November 18, 2008 at 9:28 AM

Gore only asked for a recount in certain heavily Democratic counties. The Supreme Court had to remind him that if he wanted to count every vote, he had to do it in every county in FLA, not just cherry-picked, Dem friendly one. Something to do with “equal protection” applying to all Florida voters.

When USA Today, the Miami Herald and Knight-Ridder got FOIA access to all voting material, they did recount, and fount about 1000 uncounted Bush votes up in the Florida pandhandle. That’s why Gore didn’t want a state-wide recount. He knew that there might be uncounted votes for him, but also uncounted Bush votes in heavily GOP counties.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 9:35 AM

Go to hell, Minnesota. Find yourself another country.
Percy_Peabody on November 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM

Eat shit, ding dong.

Bishop on November 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

How about this:

NATIONAL IDENTITY CARD

With photograph, fingerprints and retinal scan. Naah, that’s racist. Never happen. Too many corpses, convicts and foreigners would be disenfranchised.

J.J. Sefton on November 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM

And the American voting system is retarded. There should be a standard way to vote across the country. It’s ridiculous that there are half a dozen different ways to cast a vote.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 8:55 AM

State’s rights. Maybe you think it’s crap, but there’s a reason the states want to govern themselves, including having their own set of election laws.

It’s ridiculous that Americans have four year’s warning for the next election and people STILL don’t register in time. I say screw them. Close registration a month or so before the election.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:21 AM

I happen to agree on that score. Maybe there’s a state in the union that has a law like that. Anyone?

Badger40 on November 18, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Does the Senate have the right to seat Franken anyway, even if he loses the recount? I recall that the House did that a few years ago in a disputed race.

rockmom on November 18, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Please find a source that corrects this if I’m wrong.

tneloms on November 18, 2008 at 9:35 AM

Puuuhhhlease, and if I take the time to research this to confirm my memory…you will do what with that information? What possible purpose would be served by giving you this information…would you ban yourself, stop posting…or just say…”I guess you’re right, but he didn’t mean that it was his lawyers who stated that”.
You can accept it or reject it…but I don’t keep track of every single news article concerning this nut case.

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Badger40 on November 18, 2008 at 9:49 AM

There is a national interest involved in free and fair elections for national office. Yes, federalism principles mandate that states conduct elections — and I don’t disagree with that notion.

But you have to understand that the federal government already prescribes minimum benchmarks and “adult supervision” on the elections process. The Voting Rights Act and the Help America Vote Act are two major examples of that. VRA is actually highly burdensome on states (unfairly so, I think). But based on that precedent, and based on the fact that the political hacks in battleground states like MN and OH are not up to the job of protecting the ballot box against fraud, I think the federal government needs to prescribe minimum safeguards to ensure the reliability and validity of elections.

Of course, now that the Democrats have unchecked control over government, it’s highly doubtful that anything will be done about it. Maybe it’s time for the GOP to start stuffing the ballot boxes… Then maybe we’ll see reform! (tongue firmly in cheek..)

Outlander on November 18, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Franken must be amazed that actually came this close to winning, unless he’s totally clueless.
.
Err, disregard the first part of my comment.

abinitioadinfinitum on November 18, 2008 at 10:09 AM

Puuuhhhlease, and if I take the time to research this to confirm my memory…you will do what with that information? What possible purpose would be served by giving you this information…would you ban yourself, stop posting…or just say…”I guess you’re right, but he didn’t mean that it was his lawyers who stated that”.
You can accept it or reject it…but I don’t keep track of every single news article concerning this nut case.

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Isn’t that how informed political discourse works? You can challenge what other people cite as facts, and this allows everyone to better understand the facts and the truth. I don’t have to agree to never come here again just because I want to find out what the facts are.

But I wasn’t just saying “hey cite your facts” out of nowhere. I’m specifically referring to a discussion that we had in the comments of a previous post by Ed:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/13/minnesota-recount-the-myth-of-the-undervote/. So no need to go searching for where you saw this.

Ed claimed in that post that the Franken campaign said they are pursuing the undervote. First of all, the article he points to doesn’t say this at all. It says that the AP did an analysis that indicates that Franken may have an advantage in the recount (you are free to disagree with this analysis) and quotes what they consider experts, but never quotes the campaign. We discussed this in the comments, and no one provided any evidence that what Ed said was true — that the Franken campaign was the one saying this, or that they were “pursuing” anything rather than just predicting success. Much more importantly, nowhere did the campaign say that they wanted to count votes using only the evidence that the voter chose Obama without any physical evidence that they also voted for Franken.

tneloms on November 18, 2008 at 10:20 AM

What? You mean we’re fairness and lawfulness are finally about to maybe win one?

I thought from now on, all Democrats won everything. Kind of like a rule.

Alana on November 18, 2008 at 10:40 AM

This is good news. No Franken to have to look at!! Bravo!

sheebe on November 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM

tneloms on November 18, 2008 at 10:20 AM

God I hate this…when it is so simple, and the simple get entrenched.
The suits filed by Franken never carried the words “undervote” that is a descriptive term to describe the strategy of his legal team.

Dartmouth professors Michael Herron, Jonathan Chipman and Jeffrey Lewis have put together a terrific study of the recount situation in Minnesota. They suggest that — while many African-American voters in the Minneapolis area may have skipped the senate race intentionally — the majority of unintentional undervotes that will be counted during the recount process are also liable to favor Franken.

That is why he filed the suit to have the names of all rejected voters, hoping to find the “undervotes”.
Saying it wants every vote counted – including some rejected absentee ballots – Al Franken’s Senate campaign filed suit in Ramsey County District Court within the past hour seeking the names of those voters whose ballots were rejected.

Get it, it is his legal desperate as it is, legal campaign strategy.
How much clearer does it need to get…do you want tapes of his discussions with his attorneys?
He has close to a dozen different challenges from his legal tema…all to find those mysterious “missing votes”, or undervotes.
Please, I don’t mind a discourse, but don’t be coy and pretend you don’t know what is happening…

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Katherine Harris.

…. must find Katherine Harris…….

Always Right on November 18, 2008 at 10:57 AM

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Asking for voter information is a Data Practices request. Coleman made a similar request: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/11/022028.php. The reason is that each campaign wants access to as much information as possible as the recount proceeds and ballots are challenged or reconsidered.

Why does this seem shady to you? Franken believes, based on several studies and analyses, that there are many votes that were incorrectly miscounted and that they will favor him on balance. He may be wrong, but he certainly has reason to believe it, and is completely right to push for rejected ballots to be reconsidered.

Of course, Franken has no control over what actually happens in the recount in terms of how each ballot is determined. The commission for the recount seems non-partisan (or at least bi-partisan) enough that no vote will be counted for Franken without clear physical evidence. So all this talk about undervotes is just speculation about what will happen once things are in fact recounted, on the part of analysts and the campaigns. There is no reason to be angry at someone speculating about an outcome that you don’t want.

tneloms on November 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM

AHHH HAH HA HA HA HA HA HA

Excuse my immaturity for a moment – I can’t stand that douche bag Franken

la.rt.wngr on November 18, 2008 at 11:15 AM

I predict Coleman will lose. Franken won’t win, Coleman will lose.
My evidence: Last Wednesday I put up a notice on our blog about the recount and where to sign-up as a volunteer for Coleman. Ed even linked to it in an update. I signed up at the Coleman site to become a recount volunteer. I signed up for text message alerts and email notifications. I entered in additional information that I had been an election judge for 6 years, have been involved in Republican organizations for 10 years where I live. 2 days later I got a confirming email:”By receipt of this e-mail, you have indicated willingness to volunteer in the recount effort and will be contacted by a local field staff member to confirm availability. Individuals should expect to be contacted by a member of the recount team by Friday, November 14.”
I contacted the head of our Congressional District. She forwarded my email to the head of Coleman’s campaign in our CD with a note that this person does contact people. I also included a note that Franken had an overflow crowd of volunteers that came to be trained to be recount observers. That was Saturday.
The recount starts tomorrow.
I’ve yet to hear from Team Coleman.
I have better things to do with my time than wasting it working for a organization that doesn’t know how to fight.
I’m out.

Amendment X on November 18, 2008 at 11:31 AM

It will be interesting to see if they appear, in original form, and the ballots (sorted and sealed into unused, spoiled and voted packages) are still secure.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Unused ballots may be what enables Franken to steal the election. If they are not secure, some Democrat operative may “vote” them for Franken and slip them into the “voted” pile, if there are no Republican observers keeping an eye on the process.

Another possibility is “undervotes”–where the real voter voted for President and/or House member but left the Senate vote blank. Cheaters could try to “vote” in the Senate race on these ballots, then slip the altered ballots into the machine recount. Hopefully, there will be sharp-eyed Republican observers in all precincts, to ensure this doesn’t happen.

Steve Z on November 18, 2008 at 11:31 AM

) Where the box for Franken is completely blank, but OBama got a vote, one should “assume” the voter meant to vote for Obama. This assumes that voters can’t split a ticket or leave some offices blank because they can’t stand either candidate. This is pure speculation.

According to the current vote totals, Franken got 28% less votes than Obama, while Coleman got 5% less votes than McCain. How can Franken “assume” that an Obama voter wanted to vote for Franken if he “forgot” to vote in the Senate race, if at least 361,964 known Obama voters deliberately did NOT vote for Franken?

That’s a lot of people who violated the Franken assumption!

Steve Z on November 18, 2008 at 11:47 AM

i bet this fukktard wants a recount of the absentee votes so he can stuff some magically appearing votes in.

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

What about Ted Stevens? We are going to have accountability in the Senate, how again?

I need the numbers broken down. Supposedly Harry Reid can pick off some Moderate Republicans like Snow…so is Joe Lieberman’s seat on homeland security committee, hanging by a thread in Alaska because the Dems still need him?

Dr Evil on November 18, 2008 at 12:10 PM

tneloms on November 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM

As I stated, when faced with the facts (you asked for facts), you just move on to another argument. Not recognizing that your challenge to find substance was answered.
You never challenged me about “shady” dealings. That is your way to shift the argument away from you not admitting that Franken is looking for the undervotes. Did I say that was underhanded, no, but do I think he is a scumbag, yes.
As I said, showing people like you facts is fruitless…you just change the subject.
As I so easily predicted…

right2bright on November 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM

This may break Franken. I’m serious, friends-Al Franken may not come back from this failure. What might do him in is how close he came to winning.
I’m not gloating-I have always felt sorry for Franken-he is his own punishment, and that’s sad.

Doug on November 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM

The problem is not the spoiled ballots, but the spoiled brat who cannot accept that he lost.

njcommuter on November 18, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Who’s paying his legal fees? I mean, has he received an ‘air-america’ paycheck that hasn’t bounced in awhile?

Sponge on November 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM

This may break Franken. I’m serious, friends-Al Franken may not come back from this failure. What might do him in is how close he came to winning.
I’m not gloating-I have always felt sorry for Franken-he is his own punishment, and that’s sad.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens. I mean his original SNL persona was pretty much a self absorbed, self important jack*ss that was petty and had the maturity of a 5 year old. (I don’t say stupid because to be blunt one think Franken is not is stupid.) Of course as the years have passed and we hear more of his antics from his books and actions in the public eye it’s pretty clear that the persona is largely based on what he’s really like. Something like this, to lose public when he came so close could be quite crushing. (He doesn’t have an out this time that lets him claim a “victory”. At least with his radio show he could always claim it was to stick it to Bush or position himself for public office.)

On the other hand I hate Franken so I won’t be even slightly sorry if this dirtbag can’t deal with it if the results in the end are a loss for him. (But I fully expect him to try to steal this one by any method possible. Something I don’t associate with Franken is honor or honesty.)

Dave_d on November 18, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Go to hell, Minnesota. Find yourself another country.

Percy_Peabody

Sounds like somebody didn’t get their frosted flakes this morning!

strictnein on November 18, 2008 at 3:12 PM

And in other news: Al Franken Is A Big Fat Idiot.

Ryan Gandy on November 18, 2008 at 3:24 PM

That Franken got as close as he did to becoming a United States Senator alarms the heck out of myself. The next thing that might happen is that a former first lady might get elected to the Senate and then be in the running for Secretary of State. I might just stay drunk for the next four years.

SC.Charlie on November 18, 2008 at 4:02 PM

At least after it’s all over, Franken can write a hateful sketch about Coleman for SNL.

Jim Treacher on November 18, 2008 at 4:14 PM

If you can’t keep up with a simple discussion, stfu.

Dave Rywall on November 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM

If you’re not a citizen of this country, STFU.

fossten on November 18, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Spoiled ballots are ballots returned at the polling place because the voter decided to change his mind while voting at the polls. It can be difficult to erase a mark, so he asks for a clean ballot and the spoiled one is defaced and placed in the spoiled box so it is not accidentally counted.

Wethal on November 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM

Rywall is too simple ..you may need to restate the post.

Jamson64 on November 18, 2008 at 6:57 PM