Youth vote slipping away from GOP?
posted at 2:40 pm on November 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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We heard over and over again during the election that the youth movement propelled Barack Obama to victory. That turns out to be somewhat overblown, Pew Research concludes, but Republicans shouldn’t take much comfort in the exaggeration. Over the last two presidential elections, the GOP has lost the youth vote by sharply increasing margins — and may have lost an entire generation of voters (via Brian Faughnan):
In the last three general elections – 2004, 2006, and 2008 — young voters have given the Democratic Party a majority of their votes, and for all three cycles they have been the party’s most supportive age group. This year, 66% of those under age 30 voted for Barack Obama making the disparity between young voters and other age groups larger than in any presidential election since exit polling began in 1972.
This pattern of votes, along with other evidence about the political leanings of young voters, suggests that a significant generational shift in political allegiance is occurring. This pattern has been building for several years, and is underscored among voters this year. Among voters ages 18-29, a 19-point gap now separates Democratic party affiliation (45%) and Republican affiliation (26%). In 2000, party affiliation was split nearly evenly among the young.
Young voters are more diverse racially and ethnically than older voters and more secular in their religious orientation. These characteristics, as well as the climate in which they have come of age politically, incline them not only toward Democratic Party affiliation but also toward greater support of activist government, greater opposition to the war in Iraq, less social conservatism, and a greater willingness to describe themselves as liberal politically.
Obama would have won the election without the wide split in the youth vote, Pew concludes, although the scope of the victory would have been narrower. John McCain could have won Indiana and North Carolina but still would have lost Ohio and Florida. The youth vote comprised 18% of the electorate, according to CNN’s exit polling, and were 17% in 2004, almost no change at all. Obama didn’t inspire a spike in participation, but he did manage to significantly change the voting pattern in this bloc.
That could spell trouble for Republicans in the future. People tend to remain in their political paradigm, and the GOP has not spent enough time making conservatism relevant to the younger voter. This is a remarkably poor performance, especially on the fiscal impact of expanded government, by which younger voters will be most affected as Medicare and Social Security reach their crisis points. Obama’s success in wooing younger voters to the Democratic Party may result in a gap which could take Republicans decades to resolve.
Or perhaps not. If Obama decides to pursue mandatory national service on the basis of Rahm Emanuel’s proposal, those same young voters may suddenly discover their inner libertarians and become more open to reconsidering the Republican message. If they watch the Obama administration shovel money in corporate bailouts for the next couple of years, fiscal conservatism may regain its luster. The Republicans, though, have to have a positive agenda for rational government, rebuild its credibility, and most of all start paying attention to younger voters when addressing issues on the stump. Barack Obama didn’t win their votes by accident two weeks ago.
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Yes, my generation sucks. Thanks for reminding me.
Andrew D on November 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM
I feel your pain.
Where’s that darn study that proves people become more conservative as they age? Or has more recent research already thrown that out?
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Not lost. They just need to pay Obamanatible taxes for a few years – they will see the light.
I’ll never forget the look on my daughter’s face when she saw her first paycheck and Uncle Sam got to it first. !!!!
stenwin77 on November 17, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Not so fast. The New Republican
Just A Grunt on November 17, 2008 at 2:44 PM
This is largely due to the radical left professors we allow to teach our young people.
Conservatives need to make a concerted effort to begin teaching the youth in this country about the true meaning of FREEDOM.
Chad on November 17, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Right there with ya … :)
Karen_VA on November 17, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I suggest Obama’s appeal is due to the shorter attention span of young voters (who are used to receiving messages in 140-character bursts, like text messages or Twitter).
Obama: Change. Hope. Cool. Sold.
GoHskrs on November 17, 2008 at 2:47 PM
And that begins with the parents. Get active! Find out what the kids are being taught in schools. Not just history and government class, but economics, sociology, and psychology too.
Oink on November 17, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Wait until this generation has to start paying taxes. Then we will have them. Of course, we will lose the next generation of youth voters who don’t know anything about anything. So, let’s focus more on doing better with the grown ups and less on doing better with the children.
RedSoxNation on November 17, 2008 at 2:50 PM
It is not viewpoint as much as it is not being connected to the real world. If more twenty-somethings were living on their own, paying taxes and trying to keep a roof over their head and groceries in the pantry, they would be much more likely to vote GOP. Instead, they are living in their parents’ house in their old bedroom, playing xbox or whatever. As they grow up, their views will follow. I have great hopes that the current economic meltdown throws lots of these kids on the street, where they will have to grow up quickly.
Vashta.Nerada on November 17, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Read Strauss & Howe’s Generations series.
The Left obviously did, and took the their message heart.
The under 25 cohort WANT to serve a larger cause. This is where Bush dropped the ball after 9/11.
These kids see national service as something more dynamic than going to the mall for “the economy”.
Obama saw the opening and ran with it.
Another self inflicted wound for the GOP.
Bruno Strozek on November 17, 2008 at 2:50 PM
After Obama and the Democrats in Congress do their thing for a few years, people will come to their senses. I think Harry Reid is already trying to tack the UAW bailout onto an unrelated bill in order to get it crammed through. A couple years of that kind of crap, and the socialist experiment will come to an end. Let’s just hope most of the damage isn’t permanent.
forest on November 17, 2008 at 2:51 PM
We need community organizers in this age group.
It’s time to read “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky…. not for a conservative-soul-destroying K-street project. In 2010, conservatives need to be able to paraphrase Patton after he beat Rommel: “Alinsky, you magnificent bastard. I read your book!”
Right_of_Attila on November 17, 2008 at 2:51 PM
I’m a youth, I vote Republican, and I have a lot of friends who do too. Don’t count us out yet just.
Remember, as Churchill said, “Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.” Give us some time. My generation will smarten up.
Yossarian on November 17, 2008 at 2:51 PM
If you are 18 and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you are 30 and not a Conservative, you have no brain.
Well, that used to be true.
Thanks to an education system that promotes statism and government being the solver of all problems great and small, what should we expect?
We need the YAF…and on steroids, and soon.
Or, we can wait until these yutes find more and more of their earnings going to “government” and finding less and less in their pockets to have that great epiphany.
coldwarrior on November 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM
The social wing nuts need to go underground al la Howard Dean and fight through the courts and in the churches.
The only substantial changes to these issues will be done via the judicial system before Obama has a chance to stack the courts.
Any hope for legislative change is lost for the foreseeable future.
Silence from the fringe would do wonders for the party.
mylegsareswollen on November 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Does anyone happen to know how much of the youth vote Jummah took in 1976 and then Reagan in 1980?
Canerican on November 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM
A) Since when did the GOP ever have a big share of the so-called “youth vote?”
B) Young people are notorious for not showing up at the polls even after registering and proclaiming loyalty to a certain candidate.
C) All “youths” grow up. When they are working hard, raising families and paying their taxes they will start to realize that liberalism is not what it is cut out to be, just like the rest of us.
echosyst on November 17, 2008 at 2:53 PM
The heartless among us greatly thank you for bringing that quote back up, from the bottom of our brains. ;)
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 17, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Seconded.. The self-absorbtion and whininess present in Gen Y (outside the military) makes the Boomers seem like Mother Teresa and Gandhi. It’s going to be hard to get Gen Y off the gov’t teat because they’re getting lots of gov’t goodies right now.. starting with federal student loans. The fact that the taxpayers are providing money for Ivy League MBAs and Law Degrees is beyond me.
Illinidiva on November 17, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Yossarian on November 17, 2008 at 2:51 PM –
Well, ya beat me to the money quote 30 seconds before I did…and with proper citation, as well.
There is hope….thank God.
coldwarrior on November 17, 2008 at 2:53 PM
The youth of our country are lost. The last 20 years of re-education in grade schools,high schools,& colleges have come to fruition for the Liberal Left. The loss of the masculine male is possibly the end of rational reason & thought for this generation.
portlandon on November 17, 2008 at 2:54 PM
This is so true. When they realize there is no such thing as a free pony 20% of the O-Heads stay home next election.
DeweyWins on November 17, 2008 at 2:55 PM
One other salient point: within a decade, social security and medicare costs will skyrocket. Any young voter with a job will be reminded who to vote for every payday, when a third of their paycheck goes just to pay for these two programs.
Vashta.Nerada on November 17, 2008 at 2:57 PM
I’ve had a number of political discussions with my 17 year old twins, and their friends.
Most of them are Libertarian, or fairly conservative, BUT, they are not free to voice their opinions in public at school without being called names. So they are not only unorganized, but are silent as well…
But the anger is growing… and they are starting to get more outspoken about the unfairness inherent in political correctness.
Now that the Left IS the establishment, expect this trend to accelerate. Youth always rebels against THOSE WHO HOLD THE POWER… against the Man… against the Establishment… so, just who do they rebel against now?
Romeo13 on November 17, 2008 at 2:57 PM
No.. they really don’t want to serve a cause greater than themselves. I’m a Gen. Y person and can tell you most college-aged students spend their time getting wasted at parties and “hooking up.” Most want the gov’t to provide them with six figure jobs right out of school with flexible work hours, and they want a culture that celebrates casual sex and moronic drunken behavior.
Illinidiva on November 17, 2008 at 2:58 PM
you can read alinsky, to understand the other side. interesting is that all alinsky taught was lying. Look at Obama. Machiavelli is probably a more tried and true approach. As is the art of war. I would encourage conservatives to read Rousseau’s social contract, common sense, and why not the John Adams biography. Better to fight, with firm ideals, than to just adopt tactics.
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 2:58 PM
You mean a 72 year-old nominee with a muddled, incoherent message didn’t appeal to the young’uns? I’m shocked.
More than anything, Obama was marketed as hip, new, and trendy and that got young voters enthused(even if a lot of them didn’t show up at the polls).
Unfortunately we live in an era where the message is only part of the appeal to voters. The packaging of that message is also key. There’s a reason Sarah Palin drew 10 times as many people to rallies compared to McCain.
Doughboy on November 17, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Hmmm, I wonder if the strident religiosity of the GOP has anything to do with this…
Enrique on November 17, 2008 at 2:59 PM
In four years Obama will be the establishment (he already is now) and the youth will rebel against him.
Firebird on November 17, 2008 at 2:59 PM
There is no question that our education system has been indoctrinating students for quite some time and it is beginning to pay off for the left.
If only Republicans could explain clearly and in simple terms (again for our students) what is going to happen to social security and the nation when they get older, I am sure that would turn more than a few of our younger and less informed fellow citizens.
kcluva on November 17, 2008 at 2:59 PM
The youths, for the most part, have been successfully brainwashed by the communist propaganda arm of the democrat party known as the NEA.
The only way to get the youth vote is to start now and reeducate children in the truth and patriotism.
This generation of young voters is gone, forget ‘em and worry about the batch being brainwashed right now.
darwin on November 17, 2008 at 3:00 PM
At least 4 reasons come to mind
1) The “Yout” of today have more handed to them. I can’t believe how many kids DON’T have jobs, even during the summer. Republicans stress a “do it yourself” attitude. Obama promises “a free ride”.
2) Since many “yout” sport teams no longer keep score and give trophies to everyone that participates, it teaches the kids that everyone is equal in value, no matter how much or how little effort they put into something… completely contradictory to conservative principles.
3) The obvious leftist college experience that reinforces the liberal high school experience.
4) They are naive.
beththebaker on November 17, 2008 at 3:01 PM
as for my generation, wait and see. there is a very strong set of leaders that were raised in private schools. many of the younger generation may be discontents, but is it that unheard of that young people are prone to partying and sex? give them a break. they’ll come crawling back. the seeds of mistrust for the boomer generation are fully rooted. just take advantage of this generation’s desire to rebel against the rebellion of their parents. harness the anger that their families are broken and that their parents were too stupid to raise them well.
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:02 PM
lol. I couldn’t have said better myself, Grue. I’ll eat that one with you.
*awkward*
dglenn on November 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM
No matter how much brainwashing goes on in schools, etc, as one gets older, one tends to get more conservative. The Youth Vote is going to graduate from school, realize that all they were taught in University, etc is pure unadulterated BS, take the practical stuff they learned, and go out and make a living.
It happened to me once I left University, it’ll happen to a great majority of the Youth Vote too.
And when it becomes painfully clear that The One is in WAY over his head, starts breaking all his magical campaign promises, and is just another politician, the Youth Vote will become jaded and cynical about the political process. Just like the rest of us. Something to look forward to, kiddies!!!
:)
mjk on November 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Illinidiva on November 17, 2008 at 2:58 PM
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son” — Dean Wormer
Bruno Strozek on November 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM
How sad…a bunch of brats going around thinking there is nothing greater than they are.
beththebaker on November 17, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Yeah, todays kids are so inudated with lib media/propaganda, its remarkable more didn’t break for the One.
But Republicans/Conservatives are going to have to fight hard to get their message across. Schools are the most hostile environement for any non-PC thought. Look at Ben Stein’s Expelled, and apply it to every field.
Conservatives have been relying on Limbaugh and Hannity to get their message out, but alot of the kids get stuff through the net, and its very hostile turf right now for conservatives.
Iblis on November 17, 2008 at 3:04 PM
It doesn’t surprise me that the eternal adolescents want an Obama but one day they’ll grow up and wake up.
roux on November 17, 2008 at 3:04 PM
FIFY
beththebaker on November 17, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Praise Jesus, I’ve found some fellow young conservatives.
I’m not alone, am I? :-)
HYTEAndy on November 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM
+1!
Dr. Conservative on November 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Gen X, whatever happened to them?
Christien on November 17, 2008 at 3:07 PM
I feel your pain.
I don’t know where the study is but it worked for me. I voted for McGovern and then Carter…followed by Reagan twice, Bush twice, Dole, W twice and McCain. Finally decided around 1980 that as I began to accumulate a little wealth and property through my own hard work that I didn’t want to give it away to those who refused to work.
sdd on November 17, 2008 at 3:07 PM
now you need to become a fisher of men
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Okay let’s try this again.
This is a group of college Republicans.
Just A Grunt on November 17, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Funny you mention it — I’m actually thinking about signing up, even with Bambi as C-in-C.
HYTEAndy on November 17, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Enlighten me — most people my age don’t respond well to “logic,” “reason,” and “maturity” very well :P
HYTEAndy on November 17, 2008 at 3:09 PM
On one hand, it’s something to be concerned about, but on the other, it’s nothing to panic about.
Trust me, Jimmy Carter and the democrats of the 70’s did almost as good of a job at bringing voters over to conservatism as Reagan did. Between Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, I’m confident that the environment will be ripe for picking off some disaffected democrats sometime soon. We just need to stick to our message of small government, freedom, and responsibility.
thirteen28 on November 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Does everyone in here forget what it was like when you got your first job? When you had your first bill(s)? First apartment? When a parent has died? These are the building blocks of life… which some of these “kids” have yet to see yet.
These kids (depending on if they are trust fund babies or stock fund babies) are going to grow up fast one day. Life doesn’t slow down and we all KNOW that it smacks you in the face hard. It will depend on if they come up for air, drink or drug them selves into a stupper or move forward … aspiring that life is hard.
I am a Gen X-Y, and I figured this out at age 13-18. Life doesn’t “stop” for me…. I have to adjust and adapt to it.
upinak on November 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Thanks for the link. I just e-mailed it to my 19 and 22 year old sons. Both quite politically astute Rush-babies.
Chewy the Lab on November 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM
the generation to be afraid of is the boomers. they are currently destroying any future we have. I felt so powerless after the election, because I just saw the nation imploding under the hand of an unfettered Reid/pelosi carnaval.
Our generation is going to have to step up sooner or at least badger some “conservative” boomers into towing our line. I prefer to take the reigns of power earlier than we expected.
Boomers delenda est!
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM
its what they are taught from K-12 and especially in College. Then its re-inforced via Pop-Culture then cemented by the liberally slanted “News”
jp on November 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Republican since Dhimmi Carter. Problem is too much Ayers-like indoctrination from K through post-grad.
How to de-program an entire generation. Ugh!
J.J. Sefton on November 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM
You can’t…. Ayers is a baby boomer. How do you rewire him? Or wire something to him?
upinak on November 17, 2008 at 3:13 PM
And yet, even for the Messiah, the youth did not come out in record droves to vote.
Enoxo on November 17, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Speaking of rides, serious question as I don’t have kids. When did parents begin driving children to school? Why? Aren’t there buses anymore?
My parents would’ve died before they’d drive me to school. Getting there and back was entirely my responsibility from the age of 5 onward, and it was the same for all the other kids too. This wasn’t even that many years ago. What changed?
Gilda on November 17, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Bingo.. I am at the gen x, but many kids today don’t go through the same firsts… many still live with the folks, in the basement..
beththebaker on November 17, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Where did you live? Cities or Towns can have a different feel.
upinak on November 17, 2008 at 3:15 PM
i don’t know how you approach people, but liberals of any stripe respond well, if you are cool about it. like with George Bush and WMD’s. When I tell them to google yellowcake cbs 2008, to discover that Bush didn’t lie, they listen. Not that hard. Logic is not an acquired taste. It rings true to anyone. I’m constantly converting the other side, even if just one small point at a time. They aren’t accustomed to thinking things through, because they are largely uninformed. Inform them.
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:15 PM
I had lots of heart in “76″. I developed brains by “80″ thanks to Carter.
I suspect today’s “Youth Voters” will be much smarter by 2012 thanks to Obama.
That view doesn’t mean I’m optimistic about our country’s future…. put me in the “it may be too late” camp.
MsDollie on November 17, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Quite right, I walked to and from school, even when I had a heavy backpack and a heavy saxophone to carry… but I went to public school until High School.. I currently drive my kids 45 mins in the morning to their private school because of the state of the public schools today… that means a total of 3 hours drive time each day!
beththebaker on November 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Ok, but after a couple of years of “Change We Can Believe In” the youth will be swarming to the GOP, the new “Counter-Culture” that will be protesting and taking on the “Establishment”…..
DL13 on November 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Nope they do not understand and in some cases won’t understand until they hit 40.
I had to take care of two sick parents (both had heart problems) from 13 to 18. I also had to make sure I got my brother off to school (who is a gen x-y and a druggie), as well as I had a job at age 14 when my parents couldn’t afford clothes. And at 18 I had a surprize and got pregnant, in which I decided that because I had a accident, it didn’t mean he should suffer… and gave him up for adoption.
I now have my Mom live with me in a house I recently bought. I have disowned my brother until he is sober and clean for 3 yrs and take care of his illigit kids.
I had to grow up a lot. But it made me a stronger person.
I wish I could have had the same comforts as the “spoiled kids” but I am glad I didn’t.
upinak on November 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM
My respect for you gates higher and higher :)
beththebaker on November 17, 2008 at 3:20 PM
They need to go after these people now not wait until the election
KBird on November 17, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Remember, folks — not everyone lived through Jimmy Carter’s administration. There has to be one every generation to serve as a reality check.
cthulhu on November 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM
bravo, case in point. private schools are the only valid choice anymore. the solution for public education is vouchers, charter schools, anything to nihilate the NEA.
wherever you find unions you find problems, NEA, United AUto Workers…
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Blah, blah, blah….. Poppycock.
These kids will mature when they end up taking care of their parents.
Vince on November 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Teachers’ Unions – the new front in the war on our national security.
Connie on November 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Riddle me this: when Obama is no longer on the ballot (assuming he doesn’t try to pull a Putin and get a third term), do you really believe the youth vote will turn out so overwhelmingly for hte Dim candidate? What rising stars do the Dims have on the horizon who could so cast a spell on the 18-30 and black voting blocs? Harold Ford, maybe. But once the Messiah is off the ballot, I would be very surprised if they could permanantly maintain such a majority of these blocs.
uncalheels on November 17, 2008 at 3:22 PM
It’s a fact that by allowing the libs to control the educational institutions, both public K-12 and academia, have resulted in an entire generation that has been iindoctrinated with a left wing set of values and worldview; all this at the expense of actually educating our children.
The left has wrecked education through affirmative action ideologies and outcome based philosophies. Not coincidentally, they have done the same to our financial system, through the CRA and the culpability of the GSEs Fannie and Freddie in zealousloy persuing that ideological agenda…
Much like they were willing to lose a war to win an election, in both cited cases they have chosen to sacrifice our societal institutions in the name of short term success. And, in all cases our nations security, prosperity, and future has been sacrificed for the progressives electoral success…
And their allies in the MSM will ensure that the real message of this national travesty never gets the public attention that it should…
RocketmanBob on November 17, 2008 at 3:22 PM
A few points…
Young people tend to be dumber than most of us could imagine.
Most young people I know care about a handful of things- getting drunk, having sex with everyone they can, partying, doing drugs, and playing video games. It’s a stereotype, but that’s why stereotypes pop up to begin with- they usually ring true on some level.
They’re idea is to vote for the “cool” candidate (ya know, the 50 year old attorney from Chicago- [sigh]) who will keep abortion mills open around every corner (when you have sex with everyone and want no responsibilities, of course you want to make sure you can have the girl you nailed last night get an abortion in a few days).
The social issues are what screw the GOP, I’d say. What choice does the party have? Say to hell with the value voters? Change sides and start supporting abortion and a culture of death that young people seem to, in large parts, adore so much? Support marijuana legalization? The good clean-cut church kids who support a culture of life are definitely the exception when it comes to young people…
Young people, in general, tend to be much more liberal, and only start to become conservative when they grow up, start a family, and realize that the liberal ideas don’t prop up the family, the sacred institution of marriage, or the sanctity of all life.
I can’t imagine there are a lot of ways to flip young people.
TheBlueSite on November 17, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Duh, they don’t want to take care of their parents… that’s why they voted for Obama!!!!
beththebaker on November 17, 2008 at 3:23 PM
kudos. some similarities between our stories. that’s what the boomers have left us to deal with. there is nothing heroic about it. it is simply tragic. and, I for one am pissed beyond consolation. If the boomers were rebellious, we are simply incensed!
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Students don’t learn math or civics much, so if they don’t get the education, they won’t get the principles, which leads to voting for the cooler person.
We need to reach them way earlier with education. How do we do that?
beatcanvas on November 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Don’t worry. Once these kids get a concrete look at how disastrous unchecked liberalism is, they’ll be ashamed and embarassed to have ever voted for a leftist.
Sign of the Dollar on November 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Actually, the one universal principle that appeals to people regardless of age is self-determination. We need to hit that in a big way, particularly since Obama threatens a student’s self-determination.
beatcanvas on November 17, 2008 at 3:26 PM
we already are taking care of our parents, and we are pissed off. we are not voting Obama. Idiot.
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:26 PM
boomer, you can’t blame everyone. I understand you are ticked off… but what is it going to do other then make you sick and tired, literally.
I may not be able to spell correctly, or understand everything due to school and conflict with taking care of sick parents. But I can tell you I am a fighter and being angry all the time gets you no where.
upinak on November 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM
There’s no doubt about the factors against us: a complacent and superficial society, the liberal media, the complete takeover of higher education institutions by the radical Left…
But to some degree, these things have always been working against us. Buckley wrote a book about the higher education problem back in the 50s…
How about a morale booster? I met my future fiance two years ago arguing over politics and religion at a typical DC get together of 20-somethings who were largely atheist, socialist, etc. Boy, did we have some barnburner discussions over this stuff at first…
Fiance was raised by a hardcore agnostic environmentalist who pretty much scoffs at the notion of the traditional family and deliberately pursued single motherhood; the perfect little pressure cooker for an Obama voter.
… and he often called himself a proud Democrat….all his frat buddies and he used to love bashing Bush and damning the establishment over tokes of the bong.
But then? He got a white collar job. He started paying taxes. Working in DC showed him the futility and the hypocrisy of the way liberals run government. And he met me, the ultimate take no prisoners dyed in the wool conservative. Not only did he meet me, he decided he wanted to start a family with me and therefore started to think about what that means for the policies he’d like government to pursue to sustain that family….
And so in 4 years, a hardcore Kerry voter became a straight ticket Republican voter. :)
Not that it matters too much in the cesspool that is Northern VA, but it’s inspirational to me, at least.
gippergal1984 on November 17, 2008 at 3:28 PM
You’ve had it rougher than many, but the point to be made from this (and you get it) is that “growing up” has been taken out of the equation for so many young people. The focus is on “me” and not on being accountable or responsible. When a society puts off marriage, children, and all that goes along with that, the maturity level of the society declines.
Connie on November 17, 2008 at 3:28 PM
The Iraq War is the reason for that. Along with their youthful idealism which will disappear once they start paying taxes.
lodge on November 17, 2008 at 3:29 PM
I was at a wedding last weekend that had a lot of 20 somethings. All said they voted for Obam and change. I asked what change they were looking for..they said “who cares”
Stupid beyond words
Bevan on November 17, 2008 at 3:29 PM
upinak on November 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I’m not angry all the time. But, I am angry that people are ignorant enough to not understand that I’ve been taking care of my sick parent since I graduated college. Similarly, you. And, I rage against the machine, like a good activist should. But, don’t worry, my blood pressure is lower than normal. ;) Maybe I take consolation knowing that I am performing a holy task, according to 1 Timothy 5:8. A necessary task.
Woe to the selfish.
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Obama ran on basically the same platform as Kerry. Kerry lost, Obama didn’t. Why is that? Because Obama appealed to the legions of hipster no-nothings and minorities that John Kerry couldn’t.
Speedwagon82 on November 17, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Take solace in that if Ramrod Rahm gets his required three months of forced military service (read draft) for those between 18 and 25, and Nobama gets his mandatory 50 days community service for HS diploma and 100 days for college graduation, you can count on two things – a higher dropout rate and a double-time march away from the conscription of the new democrap party.
Gen x and y are far from lost, they just, as a rule, haven’t felt any pain or want yet. They have lost the ethic of a hand up not a hand out, which is what put an arrogant idiot in the white house for the next four years.
Perhaps those who voted for this flotsum will come to understand the double standards already being established against them. Ask yourself what would have happened if 95% of the white vote went for McCain, but no one has said a word. Why no one held Nobama’s failure to produce his educational records as indicitive of him having more to hide. Why, you may want to find a job someday soon but his economic plans will make that impossible for you as he taxes the job producers out of existance. The questions can go on for days.
PatriotPete on November 17, 2008 at 3:33 PM
One of the reasons it’s happening is because our universities and colleges are filled with communist bastard teachers and profersors that are brain washing our sons and dugthers. These dogs are marxists that want to deliver the country to the communist world. Dammed all of them.
tocoloro on November 17, 2008 at 3:34 PM
We may not have to worry about the youth vote at all … if Obama implements involuntary servitude.
darwin on November 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Right_of_Attila on November 17, 2008 at 2:51 PM
I have been looking for this book for since the election. I haven’t resorted to ordering it online yet, but I think I might have to. I went to Barnes & Noble this weekend and tried to find it there. It was out, the clerk helping me bent over backwards trying to find a copy in the store. I doubt she would have tried so hard for a book about conservative values. I’d like to read for the “know your enemy” aspect.
Torch on November 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
yep. Its the generation that expects everything to be handed to them, cell phones, nice clothes, cars, video games. They think it all grows on trees.
johnnyU on November 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Wait until “Teh One” can’t deliver on his promised Hopenchange.
Then watch the you-know-what hit the fan when they all hit 30 and start really paying taxes…
crazy_legs on November 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Can’t we change our party name to The Adult Party?
Kids always think they wanna be an adult before they become one. Let’s snooker them with thinking “adult” as in, sex, alcohol, and dirty jokes. Once they pay for taxes, rent, and sustenance they can realize it’s about being a Grown Up.
Oh wait. They’ll never pay taxes.
Joan of Argghh on November 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Alternatively, we could not fall prey to the idiocy of analysis based on so broad an identifier as “generation.” Generations are not and have never been a monolith. What’s more, young folks in general tend to be idealistic. Give them some time to grow out of it. Some of us already have.
Human nature will eventually out, and the fatal flaw of progressive ideals is that they create a system that cannot cope with simple human self interest. Any system that does not account for basic human drives is doomed to failure, and after having a chance to grow up and take off the rose colored glasses, I think most people notice that.
TheUnrepentantGeek on November 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM
I said on another thread yesterday that I think our children’s generation will be up to the task of rebuilding the Republic from it’s ashes if it comes to that. I referred to them as the RE-Framers when they have to resurrect a decimated Constitution.
I think what we are about to live through the next 4-8 years (hoping for 4) will bring the youth back to Earth really quick. When their cell phones, expensive cars, designer clothes, ipods, etc. etc. begin to disappear because Mom and Dad no longer have the ’scratch to subsidize them, that will be a start. When they can no longer get a part time job to pay for their drugs and booze (the only reason most of them want to work), not to mention when they DO get that job flipping burgers they see how much of it goes to taxes, it could be vvveeerrry interesting. Add to all that the compulsary service proposal (Ya’ know, the one that is supposedly no longer compulsary??)and their eyes will be open. In fact, we may see them become even more conservative than their parents, because unlike OUR parents the Depression Babies, these kids will know what it was like to be prosperous and they will work like dogs to get that prosperity back for themselves and their kids. My boys already feel this way as the cell phone/ipod/designer threads subsidy has been gone for some time.
The young people on this post give me a great deal of hope, and especially because a lot of you have been sitting back quietly, but this thread has gotten you fired up. Good for you! Stay engaged!
Chewy the Lab on November 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM
The messages resonate, there’s a rebel streak in every generation as it wants to leave, Obama’s promise of change is in many ways a fulfillment of it. The question is how to bring the youth vote back. The 18-29 year olds who voted in 2000 are now 26 to 37, at a different point in their lives. The youth of today will be by the end of the Obama presidency older and a new generation will emerge. Part of the problem is this is a generation that hasn’t seen the Democrats as corrupt. The Clinton impeachment was 10 years ago, when they were 8 to 19, far too long ago to have an impact.
Coming of age politically in the face of Libby being convicted, Tom Delay’s indictments and Ted Stevens is indicative of which way the righteous wind blows. The most corrupt of Democrats have a way of running out, such as Torricelli (who the Republicans scared out of running again).
amazingmets on November 17, 2008 at 3:38 PM
damn right, I’m already poised to draw blood. watch a whole generation go postal!
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:38 PM
You know, I dont much cotton to the College Republicans either. Looking back at the tool that I was when I was a 19 yo Republican, I can see why no one likes us.
I think it is just young peoples tendency towards extremes.
Squid Shark on November 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM
What are the age requirements to go to an “Adult Party” convention? Is this a party I can take my kids to?
anti-boomer on November 17, 2008 at 3:41 PM
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