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Going backwards on indefinite detention, too?

posted at 1:34 pm on November 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Earlier today, I noted that Barack Obama’s team has started hinting that they will move back towards John McCain’s position on interrogation techniqiues.  Now supporters of Obama who have criticized the Bush administration’s position on indefinite detention have begun rethinking that policy as well:

As a presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama sketched the broad outlines of a plan to close the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba: try detainees in American courts and reject the Bush administration’s military commission system.

Now, as Mr. Obama moves closer to assuming responsibility for Guantánamo, his pledge to close the detention center is bringing to the fore thorny questions under consideration by his advisers. They include where Guantánamo’s detainees could be held in this country, how many might be sent home and a matter that people with ties to the Obama transition team say is worrying them most: What if some detainees are acquitted or cannot be prosecuted at all?

That concern is at the center of a debate among national security, human rights and legal experts that has intensified since the election. Even some liberals are arguing that to deal realistically with terrorism, the new administration should seek Congressional authority for preventive detention of terrorism suspects deemed too dangerous to release even if they cannot be successfully prosecuted.

“You can’t be a purist and say there’s never any circumstance in which a democratic society can preventively detain someone,” said one civil liberties lawyer, David D. Cole, a Georgetown law professor who has been a critic of the Bush administration.

You can’t?  That’s all we’ve heard from the close-Gitmo crowd for the last seven years.  Indefinite detention supposedly violates American values, we’re losing the war if we adapt to the threat against us, blah blah blah.  Certainly Barack Obama never gave any indication of nuanced thinking along the lines of indefinite detention during the last two years while campaigning for the presidency.  In fact, Obama made the absolutist case that Cole now belatedly rejects in June 2007:

“While we’re at it,” he said, “we’re going to close Guantanamo. And we’re going to restore habeas corpus. … We’re going to lead by example _ by not just word but by deed. That’s our vision for the future.

Now that Obama has to live with these decisions and not simply snipe from the sidelines, the game appears to have changed.  A month ago, the NYT’s editorial board scoffed at the Bush administration’s efforts to keep Gitmo detainees from being released as merely a way to avoid bad press and not to keep dangerous people from killing Americans.  Suddenly, the New York Times discovers that the American system does allow for indefinite detention to protect society from dangerous individuals without full-blown criminal trials — as with the criminally insane.

So what happens when the incoming Obama administration decides to continue indefinite detention and back away from Feinstein’s bill on interrogation techniques?  Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt, but it will force a re-evaluation of the Bush administration’s efforts to keep this nation safe from attack — and the success he had in doing so.


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Every time my son wears his Club Gitmo Staff T-Shirt he gets asked “Did you work there?” He says “yes”

Rightwaywin on November 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Glad to hear that Obama might care enough about the lives of American civilians and military personel to reconsider the insane wishes of the lefty pinheads.

Wish he’s also reconsider any prohibition of waterboarding of highly informed terrorists. These issues should not even exists for grown-ups.

Chessplayer on November 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

So, did Obama cynically parrot the far left rhetoric just to get elected? Mr. Hopenchange wouldn’t do that, would he???? Or is he growing up fast as he starts to get intelligence briefings and realizes that he’s actually going to be responsible for what happens, not just what he says?

ProfessorMiao on November 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

As we have elected a man based not upon the dream of MLK, but of the exact opposite, we are now condemned to live this nightmare. This man is absent the requisite character to lead our nation.

My seething thanks to the 52.

I just wish to be left alone.

turfmann on November 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM

WHERE’S MY IMPEACH OBAMA BUMPER STICKER!!!

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Right here.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac ,
Greetings from “the region” aka n/w Indiana. Gary mayor Rudy Clay, (he is the one with the funny looking sideburns) somehow managed to get 40k votes for Obama in at 11:45 pm. This is the same moonbat that waited forever in the primary ,but couldnt quite bring it in for Obama in the primary.FBI still investigating here…..
good luck in Indy, It’s a great city, I’ll be there in about a month

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I’ve always suspected that Democrat opposition to the War on Terror was simply because it wasn’t their idea first.

SheofTwoMinds on November 15, 2008 at 4:41 PM

As Obama moves away from his lefty friends (although these reports are just rumors of rumors), will the Left brush it off as “Well at least Obama is not George Bush” or will the Lefites reach way, way back and use the canard that “Bush never was the real President, Gore won you know, so anything Bush did was wrong, even if it was right”.

albill on November 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Send them to Chicago. Who would notice?

Ronnie on November 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Obushama!

Griz on November 15, 2008 at 4:48 PM

thanks for the bumber sticker :)

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM

This issue is (more) complicated (than we realized – or pretended it was).

Basilsbest on November 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I’ve always suspected that Democrat opposition to the War on Terror was simply because it wasn’t their idea first.

SheofTwoMinds on November 15, 2008 at 4:41 PM

It was always what Democrats care about most: politics (power)

Basilsbest on November 15, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Dr. Cwac:

My area went 2 to 1 for McCain Palin too. But thanks to Barr the libertarian, McCain fell short a few thousand votes.

Terrye on November 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM

There is a news flash, liberals are hypocrites.

federale86 on November 15, 2008 at 4:58 PM

What if some detainees are acquitted or cannot be prosecuted at all?

Can’t we ofren them a ‘pathway to citizenship’ too?

Red State State of Mind on November 15, 2008 at 5:01 PM

So, did Obama cynically parrot the far left rhetoric just to get elected?…………. Or is he growing up fast as he starts to get intelligence briefings and realizes that he’s actually going to be responsible for what happens, not just what he says?

ProfessorMiao on November 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

maybe a little bit of both? Hope & Change, Baby !!

Red State State of Mind on November 15, 2008 at 5:05 PM

what can you expect…more of the same bush/cheney policies of the past from John Mccain…….. ohh wait… huh.

Conservator23 on November 15, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Terrye on November 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM

I guess I was (sorta) wrong about the vote in HC (Hamilton County, that is)…..

38.4% for Teh One

25% for Lurch in ‘04

Where did the most votes for His Holiness come from? EARLY VOTING!!!!!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 5:15 PM

eh, we shall see. Like Leiberman, seems some of these briefings are revealing some things making them change their attitudes on certain things. They are classified briefings.

johnnyU on November 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM

What to do, what to do….. hey Barry, how did your intel briefing go the other day? I’m guessing that you saw some info on a few of our guests at Gitmo. Maybe solid evidence that was gained by other means that your ACLU pals might not approve of? Hmmmmmmm? Let them go Big Daddy! You know you wanna…..
Bonehead.

JeffinOrlando on November 15, 2008 at 5:25 PM

I’m not the only one who has said it – when it comes to national security, something that Obama has zero experience of, he will bow to conventional wisdom – and that will largely be a good thing…

Ares on November 15, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Conventional wisdom being the military establishment.

Ares on November 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Didn’t someone once say something on the lines of:

‘It’s damned hard to be the class clown when you’ve suddenly been put in charge of the class.’

Come January all we’re gonna hear for the next four years is:
“It’s all Bush’s fault. It’s going to take us 8, 16, 32, 64……years to clean this mess up”.

GarandFan on November 15, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Um, the one thing that keeps bugging me, kinda niggling at the back of my mind is, what if he doesn’t want us to win?
Are we fer’ shur who’s holdin them puppet strings? (”I’m Barack Obama, and Al Quida approved this message. So, we’re going to surrender now and everybody face Mecca and stay calm.”)
Uh, oh, crossed the line I guess. Are those crickets I hear?

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Team Obama just wanted power and would tell any pleasing b.s. to the greatest number of suckers to gain their vote to win it.

With the assistance of a whore media, it worked perfectly.

Clinton’s method, redux.

Obama is a shapeshifting pandermaniac.

Nothing means anything to Barry but power.

For him.

Everything else goes under the Big Bus.

Truth, honor, history, positions, people, family.

Grist for the Mill of Obama.

profitsbeard on November 15, 2008 at 6:04 PM

If not Gitmo…where?

Where else can we hold non-uniformed bandit detainees who were found/rounded up while in operations against US forces abroad without being required to afford them 100% legal rights of all US citizens while at the same time prevent them from becoming “landed immigrants” the minute they step on US soil or enter US waters with immediate access to all manner of legal and civil services that are enjoyed by American citizens?

Where else can they be held without having the entire episode of their capture both prior to capture and following capture being tossed out by the same judicial system because they were not Mirandized, that common rules of criminal evidence could not be followed, and individuals involved in their capture not be required to be answerable to the Court from the moment of their capture and well beyond?

In a pre-9/11 world, perhaps with a smattering of “captees” this sort of thing could have been done…but in war, in combat, there is little possibility of Mirandizing a captee, nor is there any practical way of securing evidence and immediately sequestering that evidence in a manner that most courts would hold acceptable, nor is there an ability to provide legal counsel immediately to a captee, legal counsel eligible to practice before the federal bar.

Name one other place on Earth where non-US military personnel are subject to the legal system of a nation that does not recognize our presence?

Gitmo is unique.

It was chosen for this unique quality.

Since the captees were not/are not subject to the Geneva Conventions and are deemed bandits and terrorists, not uniformed representatives of a national entity, were not in uniform, without a distinct chain of command, and distinct insignia, and not signatories to the most basic provisions of the Geneva Conventions, declaring them POW’s would usurp most of Geneva. And then what? Any two-bit thug in any country, anywhere, could declare that he robbed, raped, killed, maimed as a political statement and no local jurisdiction could touch him, let alone the military.

As Obama draws closer to his inauguration the scope of what he faces may be dawning on him…and leading by the polls and caving in to various interest groups gets to be a more difficult dance.

Close Gitmo? OK. Where are the detainees going to go? And under what jurisdiction will their crimes and actions on the battlefield lie?

coldwarrior on November 15, 2008 at 6:07 PM

So what happens when the incoming Obama administration decides to continue indefinite detention and back away from Feinstein’s bill on interrogation techniques? Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt, but it will force a re-evaluation of the Bush administration’s efforts to keep this nation safe from attack — and the success he had in doing so

And oh, am I going to enjoy that.

In a way, I feel sorry for the far left anti-war loons.

Nobody in elected office can speak for them, and still keep office.

………..

No, I don’t.

Hawkins1701 on November 15, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Any man make bad talk about Obamah gets a night in the box,
Any man make bad talk about mizz obamah (james brown) gets a night in the box,
Any man call them kids mulattos gets a night in the box,
Any man not spread his wealth around gets a night in the box,
Any man make bad will towards Ayers gets a night in the box,
Any man get caught pokin’ fun at Obamahs big ears gets a night in the box,
Any man make free speech or act conservative gets a night in the box.
Stay tuned for “Cool Hand Barack”

GlocknRoll on November 15, 2008 at 6:13 PM

For what it’s worth, the head ACLU dude (I can’t be bothered to look up his name) had a letter published in the Wall Street Journal last week confirming that the ACLU does indeed want Gitmo closed on Day 1. So, no surprise there.

saint kansas on November 15, 2008 at 6:22 PM

So what happens when the incoming Obama administration decides to continue indefinite detention and back away from Feinstein’s bill on interrogation techniques? Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt

Who cares? He needed the far left to get his nomination going, as an incumbent president elected by the huge swathe of voters who are not in MoveOn / Code Pink he has a pretty free rein. MoveOn and pals are irrelevant at this point.

I wouldn’t bet on anyone validating Bush’s actions as a result though.

Ares on November 15, 2008 at 6:24 PM

As with so many things in life it is much easier to say than to do

Jamson64 on November 15, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Here’s the irony: Obama will keep acting like a republican on security issues. He won’t meet with Iran, because they will want pre-conditions, he won’t be able to raise taxes because he knows it will lengthen the recession, and the patriot act will likely remain in tact, and he will keep Gates at Defense, and he will stay away from FOCA because he won’t want to tick-off all the moderates he has in Congress.

Heck, I’d vote for him…

joepub on November 15, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt,

No they will not! Soros has already pulled their funding, you will be hearing no more from them.

Freddy on November 15, 2008 at 7:04 PM

I’m hoping it’s a half term……that is, if the Repubs get off their arses for 2010 and recapture a majority of one of the houses of Congress.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 4:17 PM

You are one great poster here Doc, but I have to remind you that it’s “us”. We are the Republican Party. We are the more Conservative Libertarians. It’s up to us to get our asses in gear for 2010.

I knew that’s what you meant.

First thing to do is for us to start today, looking at potential candidates. Republican and Libertarian. Next, petition to close all State Primaries to party members only. Next, we drink heavily.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Doc, I meant to quote, not to strike. Sorry.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Next, petition to close all State Primaries to party members only. Next, we drink heavily.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Hear, Hear. And while we’re at it, let’s make a WHOLE lotta noise about the Unconstitutional nature of early voting, and get it back to the first Tues. in November. Those that can’t make it can vote absentee.
Don’t give me this crap about it will never work. Maybe not before 2012, but if we don’t start making the noise, it sure won’t. Keep in mind our very loud, very pi**ed of voices are one of the best weapons we have. Just ask the nutjobs at Code Pink.

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:22 PM

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Also, no early voting…..and same day registration/voting.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM

“Watch MSNBC, and experience the power of change.”

Their new slogan. I wonder if Pravda has any tips for them on how to serve ‘The One’. Grovelling lickspittles!

You’re kidding me, right?

Alana on November 15, 2008 at 7:26 PM

For what it’s worth, found this interesting post on Ace’s blog…

Alan Keyes, Who Seems to Have Standing, Sues Barack Obama to Produce Birth Certificate
—Ace

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Chewy, agree with all. The early voting though is harder to buck. My SIL and daughter got married and had to be in Ft. Sill 4 days before election day. If it weren’t for early voting here in NC where my daughter and him are residents, they wouldn’t have been able to vote. I think in general you’re right, but there has to be provisions for instances like that. I am curious, you believe it’s actually unconstitutional? I’ve always voted absentee for PA all my years in the military. Some other states only use absentee if they’re needed to decide an election. I think they should all be counted.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Keyes did that huh?

Interesting!

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:36 PM

For what it’s worth, found this interesting post on Ace’s blog…

Alan Keyes, Who Seems to Have Standing, Sues Barack Obama to Produce Birth Certificate
—Ace

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:30 PM

File this under the “ludicrous conspiracies” tag with Sullivan’s Palin baby fantasy.

Ares on November 15, 2008 at 7:38 PM

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Whether or not it is–or isn’t Constitutional is, as the ONE says, above my paygrade, but I am pretty sure it specifies “the first Tuesday in November” in the constitution. I may be wrong. Anyway, back in the memory banks (which aren’t as good as they once were), it seems to me it may have been challenged, but I’m not sure there was any teeth in the challenge (because no one ever thought early voting would be approved), and if it is truly fought in the courts, I think it would be entertaining to say the least. Would love to hear some of our attorney friends comment on this as I may be totally off-base.
As to your daughter and SIL and early voting: Was this marriage a spur of the moment thing, or Couldn’t they have applied for an absentee ballot? Just asking.

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Ares on November 15, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Agree, I just thought it was kinda fun to think about:)

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:47 PM

was were any teeth.
Sorry, grammar fairy.

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Was this marriage a spur of the moment thing, or Couldn’t they have applied for an absentee ballot? Just asking.

WHAT ARE YOU INSINUATING???

Just kidding!

Not spur of the moment per se. They were planning on getting married right after he graduated basic training. Then, he just didn’t get the leave time that they had been planning on. Me and the ex-wife almost had nervous breakdowns trying to put a nice ceremony together in such a short period of time. The good news for the kids was all the money I saved on a smaller wedding and reception just was put into their new joint savings account. So it worked out. Put an extra couple of years on the ex and I, but it worked out.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt,

I beg to differ. The MoveOn/Code Pink crowd will continue, (to use a fine old Elizabethan phrase) “to go-a-whoring” as they do for every leftist.

oldleprechaun on November 15, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt, but it will force a re-evaluation of the Bush administration’s efforts to keep this nation safe from attack — and the success he had in doing so.

Nah, you give them too much credit, Ed. These are attention whores in a Bush administration, and political whores in an Obama one. They’ll go home to make some love, until another conservative administration comes back in.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2008 at 8:02 PM

They’ll go home to make some love, until another conservative administration comes back in.

Thanks, now I have to go scrub my brain with Comet from that mental picture you just gave me.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 8:07 PM

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Glad it worked out.
But as food for thought, what about those that are hospitalized on election day. Real-for-true anticdotal story. Jokingly told my hubby on election-eve that if I had a stroke or got hit by a bus he was instructed to go to the polls a second time, dressed in drag and vote for me. Was just a joke, but got me ta’thinkin. Then, no s*it, we were in line, had signed in, and a woman came in and said her sister was hospitalized last night with viral pneumonia, and how could she vote? The judges said, too bad, so sad she couldn’t. I suggested she call the County election officials to see, and the poll worker said, “Won’t happen, we can’t even get through to them today.”
If we can allow all this early voting, can’t there be some other thingamijig like an Emergency Voting Provision (EVP)??? See where this slippery slope gets us?? Can you now see ACORN roaming the halls of hospitals and ERs on election day? Why not make early voting begin the day after inauguration, or better yet, the election itself? I know I read somewhere that they were taking voter registration in ERs in NY, why not casting ballots there, too?

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Any man make bad talk about Obamah gets a night in the box,
Any man make bad talk about mizz obamah (james brown) gets a night in the box,
Any man call them kids mulattos gets a night in the box,
Any man not spread his wealth around gets a night in the box,
Any man make bad will towards Ayers gets a night in the box,
Any man get caught pokin’ fun at Obamahs big ears gets a night in the box,
Any man make free speech or act conservative gets a night in the box.
Stay tuned for “Cool Hand Barack”

GlocknRoll on November 15, 2008 at 6:13 PM

OK, seriously – everyone needs to print this out and put it up somewhere. I just wish Paul wouldn’t have turned complete lib whack job at the end.
Great post.

JeffinOrlando on November 15, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Any man make bad talk about Obamah gets a night in the box,
Any man make bad talk about mizz obamah (james brown) gets a night in the box,
Any man call them kids mulattos gets a night in the box,
Any man not spread his wealth around gets a night in the box,
Any man make bad will towards Ayers gets a night in the box,
Any man get caught pokin’ fun at Obamahs big ears gets a night in the box,
Any man make free speech or act conservative gets a night in the box.
Stay tuned for “Cool Hand Barack”

GlocknRoll on November 15, 2008 at 6:13 PM

I’m shakin the tree boss…shakin the tree..

johnnyU on November 15, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Funny story about the hubby in a wig.

I know once you start doing very liberal things with the voting rules, it’s all down hill. This past election is a good example. I’m not one of those conspiracy theorists. I think in general we did get bet pretty soundly. But I also know there actually are a lot of shenanigans that in closer elections like in Minnesota and Alaska were it can mean the difference. ANd very well may. I remember back to a SNL where REM was the guest band and Mikey Stipe was wearing this ridiculous white outfit with “Motor-Voter” all over it. I wondered why he would care. Ah-ha, I say years down the road.

Anywho, all I know from the military side is that it can be tough to get to the ballot. I was actually a Voter Assistance Officer for one election and wow. You get a book with all the rules for all the 57, I mean 50 states and the territories that have election functions and responsibilities and it almost drove me nuts. It shouldn’t be harder for a service-person to vote than a felon.

Remember the Gore Memo?

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 8:28 PM

OK, seriously – everyone needs to print this out and put it up somewhere. I just wish Paul wouldn’t have turned complete lib whack job at the end.
Great post.

JeffinOrlando on November 15, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Yeah but he was a classy lib and was warming up to Nuke Power before he died.

I’m shakin the tree boss…shakin the tree..

johnnyU on November 15, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Stop it, the ACORNs keep falling out.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM

PS This web-page has one of the funniest pictures I remember from the 2000 election. Scroll down to the first picture you see.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Remember the Gore Memo?

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Oh yeah!!! That’s another thing we need to be EXTREMELY vocal about. Making it easy for our service men and women to vote! You are absolutely spot-on correct! This has got to be a no brainer for conservatives going forward. We have got to borrow a page from Move-on in this regard: Get ugly, get in their faces, call the Pentegon, State Dept., whom ever and D-E-M-A-N-D that there be no question, no option, no late counting. Active military Get. To. Vote. Period.

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Obama is trying to follow the Bill Clinton-Dick Morris triangulation playbook, which at first the left was willing to go along with following the 1994 election debacle, but became more and more annoying to them over the next five years — some of the far left appointees resigned as early as 1996 over Clinton’s signing the welfare reform bill, and the biggest loons of course trashed downtown Seattle in 1999 during the WTO summit to protest Clinton and the other G8 leaders failure to turn their nations into socialist paradises.

The problem for Obama, though, is that Bill Clinton from 1994 to 2000 had Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott and the Republican Congress to play off of. Clinton has Pelosi and Reid in charge of the thing now, and if the Democrats can conjure up 215 or so more votes for Al Franken, they’ll also be able to have a filibuster-proof Senate. Which sounds great for Democrats, but for Obama, that means he may find himself with nothing to triangulate against without earning the wrath of the far left for not following through on his promises, with no GOP opposition in sight.

Pelosi and/or Reid could take the heat on this, and refuse to allow some of the wilder things sought to ever get to Obama’s desk, but neither of them is a very strong leader, so it’s hard to believe even if they wanted to, they could contain the more fanatical members of the House and Senate Democratic caucuses. Should make for a fun time for Rahm Emmanuel, who may end up having to rely on Blue Dog Democrats in the House to save Obama from his own campaign promises.

jon1979 on November 15, 2008 at 9:06 PM

You have got to be kidding me………………

“But wait……… THERE’S MORE!”

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM

jon1979 on November 15, 2008 at 9:06 PM

One of the most optimistic thoughts of the day. Thank you.
Would love to see that puppy neutered!

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM

ObamahitlerClintChimpymanuel. Fascists! Pigs!

ronsfi on November 15, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt

Can’t wait.

I think there are a lot of people who projected their Hopes onto the Blank Screen who are going to get let down. Those who fantasize about being “united”. Forget about it — the polarization is going to get even more intense and nasty. Hopey ODopey has such a thin skin, he’s going to completely alienate half the nation. And those people hanging out for free stuff “a new car, a new computer, a college education for their kids” (on $500 to $1000 per year from the CokeHead administration)…

I can see no possible way we can push our national debt into the trillions and at the same time contain massive tax increases to only a small percentage of the population. You’d have to be astonishingly naive – even stupid – to believe that was possible. There will be two ways to get rid of that debt: tax the $#!7 out of everyone, or inflate out of it. Either way, the consequence will take a huge bite out of economic growth and rob the productive citizens of their hard-earned wealth.

mr.blacksheep on November 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM

MoveOn/Code Pink will not say a word if Obama does this because THEY DO NOT CARE A WIT ABOUT ANY ISSUE. They hated having a Republican in power.

You watch. They will fawn over BHO’s strength in ‘rethinking’ his earlier positions to keep this country safe. “He wouldn’t have had to do _____ if Bush hadn’t screwed up the whole world.” That will be their favorite song.

WWCathodeRay on November 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM

You have got to be kidding me………………

“But wait……… THERE’S MORE!”

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Er, read the fine print. As soon as you buy one, those making either 250K, 200K, or 150K in no particular order have 50 percent of it’s face value taxed to the federal guv-mint at time of purchase.

(I kept expect Vince the Sham-Wow guy to jump in.)

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 9:41 PM

MoveOn/Code Pink will not say a word if Obama does this because THEY DO NOT CARE A WIT ABOUT ANY ISSUE. They hated having a Republican in power.

You watch. They will fawn over BHO’s strength in ‘rethinking’ his earlier positions to keep this country safe. “He wouldn’t have had to do _____ if Bush hadn’t screwed up the whole world.” That will be their favorite song.

WWCathodeRay on November 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM

I dunno. LoseOn printed an ad that essentially was a warning to Barry: “We raised $88mil for you, so you’d better do it our way.” When Barry turns out to be a massive case of Presidential ED, lots of people are gonna be pissed.

mr.blacksheep on November 15, 2008 at 9:51 PM

ED = Electile Dysfunction (he’ll need Viagla)

mr.blacksheep on November 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM

“But wait……… THERE’S MORE!”

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Repeatedly hurling with extremely loud sound effects.

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 9:53 PM

“But wait……… THERE’S MORE!”

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Leave it to a Democrat to try and get suckas to spend $14.90 for $1. Think about it.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Hey Barack, don’t be lookin’ at the man with no eyes!
My boy Barack can eat fitty eggs, you wild, crazy thing!
I ain’t gonna sas back no mo’ Massa Barack, I promise! I gonna be a gooood white boy!
Uh Oh, I think I done earned myself A night in the box!

GlocknRoll on November 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM

(I kept expect Vince the Sham-Wow guy to jump in.)

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen…………….. The New Press Secretary for Mr. Obama, President Elect, the Office of….

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Uh Oh, I think I done earned myself A night in the box!

GlocknRoll on November 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Or the ban-hammer from Allah.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM

“Wipin it off here……… Boss!”

…….. if you guys are going to go there……… then go there!

:O)

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Yeah, great idea, ‘O’, just let ‘em loose in the US. I’m sure they’ll behave and show up to court.
NOW that the idea has bit him in the backside, he realizes the backlash from the reality of enacting a program he can’t hopenchange to pay for or solve the logistics of in a hurry-up fashion. Duh, genius, something we’ve all known for years just happens to be true.

I thought these people were supposed to be smart.

TinMan13 on November 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

The liberals gave Obama a total pass on his NSA wiretapping
vote and breaking his campaign finance promise.We were told by even the most devoted cultist like Olberman that he was showing strength and leadership.

The next four years are going to be nothing but Obama continuing 4 more years of Bush,spinning and making excuses for why he can’t keep all his promises, and the idiots that voted for him wondering where all their “hope and change”went.

“BUSH WAS RIGHT” should get stamped right on this idiots forehead.

Baxter Greene on November 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM

This is weird, I wonder if this can be varified independently? You have to click the link on the website to watch. I am a family historian/ genealogist. I am familar with going over documents but a person would want some outside varification some “Sources” and proof, not just a video describing the “inconsistencies” Primary Sources, it would be helpful to show people, what a registration looked like for the suggested date, the form, the stamp ect..in Hawaii, something you could use to compare a “control document” Then the regs,that cover the forms, dates, stamps, filing numbers ect..

http://digg.com/politics/Obama_s_Selective_Service_Registration_Raises_Questions?OTC-widget

Dr Evil on November 15, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Pocono’s?

Kini on November 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 10:55 PM

When I was a kid and saw that movie and scene the first time, I wondered why they didn’t make those balloon noises on the car window.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 11:47 PM

has anyone else heard about barry’s RADICAL plan for Israel? he wants to split it up like they did in 1967

ousoonerfan15 on November 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Uh Oh, I think I done earned myself A night in the box!

GlocknRoll on November 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM

I spoke too soon.

Massa joins Obama’s health-care coalition

It’s not what you think.

Democrat Eric Massa, the apparent winner to represent the 29th Congressional District, joined other newly-elected congressmembers Friday in promoting Health Care for America Now. The national grassroots campaign is focused on guaranteeing quality, affordable health care for every American in 2009.

Watch out for this group.

Later in the article….

Those backing Health Care of America Now are focused on establishing a single-
payer system to provide universal coverage.
The system would work by keeping the doctor-patient relationship personal and private, but costs and payments would be centrally managed to reduce overhead and operational costs. The plan would encourage preventive health care and is intended to drive down costs by simplifying paperwork and reimbursement processes, Massa explained during his campaign.

As for addressing health-care proposals already in Congress, Massa said Friday that after taking office he would “support immediately” increasing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). The federal program was created in 1997 to address the growing number of children without health insurance. A controversial expansion of the program was vetoed twice by the Bush administration and will likely be voted on again after Obama takes office.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 16, 2008 at 1:07 AM

Also, no earlyoften voting…..and same day registration/voting.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 16, 2008 at 1:25 AM

Hey, you gotta laugh!

Aylios on November 16, 2008 at 5:56 AM

Perhaps BO has come into contact with some information in some security briefings that’s scared him straight, so to speak.

I don’t really care if Barack bactracks to positions that are closer to what i hold dear . . . The real problem for me is the completely biased reporting (or non-reporting) from the MSM on anything they might see as negative about Barack.

Any wonder people are turning to the blogs (like this one and others) for their real news?

reine.de.tout on November 16, 2008 at 7:38 AM

Any wonder people are turning to the blogs (like this one and others) for their real news?

reine.de.tout on November 16, 2008 at 7:38 AM

One of the first things they will try to do is shut it down. We may have to start our own underground newsletter.

kcd on November 16, 2008 at 7:57 AM

Talk about FALSE ADVERTISING!
This man has gone back on his word more times then I can count!
The real question is, will the MSM ask for an apology from BO to Bush for slandering Bush on Gitmo? And from all the other scum in congress like Dicky Turbin?

time2taketheglovesoffGOP on November 16, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 7:22 PM

I agree..the early voting should not be allowed. My brother voted early and he had no good reason to do so. I really dont like it.

becki51758 on November 16, 2008 at 9:47 AM

Code Pink and the other anti-Bush crazies are not going to protest Obama terrorism decisions because they will not know about them.

Is the information in this article widly known? After January 20th I wouldn’t be surprised if the media totally stops talking about Gitmo and “totrture”. Once Charlie Gibson stops talking about it every night at 6:30, people will just assume that Obama kept his promises.

myrenovations on November 16, 2008 at 12:44 PM

In the words of the immortal Bruce Campbell:

“Awww, babe, that’s just what we call pillow talk.”

gwelf on November 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Reality wins every time. Call me a passimist, but this does NOT prove that Obama will “govern from the center”. It proves that he will not let a bunch of terrorists come between him and the goal of changing the country permanently.

Yes, he lied. Anything to serve the cause. Surely you didn´t think that a guy who can discard his mentor, his grandmother, Aunt Zeituni and a million unborn babies really cares about some bearded nobodies?

el gordo on November 16, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt, but it will force a re-evaluation of the Bush administration’s efforts to keep this nation safe from attack — and the success he had in doing so.

Utterly revolt? Re-evaluation? Are you kidding?? The left doesn’t REALLY care about civil liberties, they just like to pretend they’re being limited whenever a Republican is in power. And I wouldn’t hold hold my breathe waiting for that re-evaluation, either. If the MSM didn’t report on Obama’s impossible campaign promises, disturbing associations, and fraudulent campaign financing, do you really think it’s going to explain its strange new respect for indefinite detention?

By January, half the country will believe Obama invented it.

Infidoll on November 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM

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