Going backwards on indefinite detention, too?

posted at 1:34 pm on November 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier today, I noted that Barack Obama’s team has started hinting that they will move back towards John McCain’s position on interrogation techniqiues.  Now supporters of Obama who have criticized the Bush administration’s position on indefinite detention have begun rethinking that policy as well:

As a presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama sketched the broad outlines of a plan to close the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba: try detainees in American courts and reject the Bush administration’s military commission system.

Now, as Mr. Obama moves closer to assuming responsibility for Guantánamo, his pledge to close the detention center is bringing to the fore thorny questions under consideration by his advisers. They include where Guantánamo’s detainees could be held in this country, how many might be sent home and a matter that people with ties to the Obama transition team say is worrying them most: What if some detainees are acquitted or cannot be prosecuted at all?

That concern is at the center of a debate among national security, human rights and legal experts that has intensified since the election. Even some liberals are arguing that to deal realistically with terrorism, the new administration should seek Congressional authority for preventive detention of terrorism suspects deemed too dangerous to release even if they cannot be successfully prosecuted.

“You can’t be a purist and say there’s never any circumstance in which a democratic society can preventively detain someone,” said one civil liberties lawyer, David D. Cole, a Georgetown law professor who has been a critic of the Bush administration.

You can’t?  That’s all we’ve heard from the close-Gitmo crowd for the last seven years.  Indefinite detention supposedly violates American values, we’re losing the war if we adapt to the threat against us, blah blah blah.  Certainly Barack Obama never gave any indication of nuanced thinking along the lines of indefinite detention during the last two years while campaigning for the presidency.  In fact, Obama made the absolutist case that Cole now belatedly rejects in June 2007:

“While we’re at it,” he said, “we’re going to close Guantanamo. And we’re going to restore habeas corpus. … We’re going to lead by example _ by not just word but by deed. That’s our vision for the future.

Now that Obama has to live with these decisions and not simply snipe from the sidelines, the game appears to have changed.  A month ago, the NYT’s editorial board scoffed at the Bush administration’s efforts to keep Gitmo detainees from being released as merely a way to avoid bad press and not to keep dangerous people from killing Americans.  Suddenly, the New York Times discovers that the American system does allow for indefinite detention to protect society from dangerous individuals without full-blown criminal trials — as with the criminally insane.

So what happens when the incoming Obama administration decides to continue indefinite detention and back away from Feinstein’s bill on interrogation techniques?  Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt, but it will force a re-evaluation of the Bush administration’s efforts to keep this nation safe from attack — and the success he had in doing so.


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They were just campaign promises, similar to bringing fresh faces into his administration. I hope no one thought they were sincere.

a capella on November 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt,

Ah, there’s the question. Will they? When they protested under Bush, were they truly principled arch liberals with misplaced priorities, or were they simply anti-Bush leftists? Leftist don’t mind interrogation, torture, and prison camps if they are the ones in power. An Obama-run gitmo will let us see who is really who.

keep the change on November 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Is anyone going to keep track of how many broken promises this man will have?

boomer on November 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Ha, ha, ha!!! Amazing how actually being responsible for the security of the United States concentrates the mind, eh, Barack? Obama and his advisors have figured out that the fastest way for his Administration to become the Obama Disaster Presidency is to have a successful attack launched on the United States that was aided by a relaxation of current anti-terrorist policies.

It’s going to be so much fun watching the Leftist heads either explode, or desperately explain why policies that were criminal under Bush are now OK under Obama.

Realist on November 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM

And the apology to Bush et al., is coming in 5, 4, 3, 2, . . . never

rbj on November 15, 2008 at 1:45 PM

This is great, the hippies are going to go nuts

Greenhelmet on November 15, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Well, he’s gonna need these techniques when he questions Rush, Beck, Hannity …

Tony737 on November 15, 2008 at 1:46 PM

I think Obama is beginning to discover lumps in his pants. He is beginning to realize for the 1st time in his life he is going to held responsible. No voting present. Let’s welcome Barry to the world of reality.

Wade on November 15, 2008 at 1:46 PM

That musta been a hellava security briefing all right!

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt

That is if they don’t mind being “Joe the Plumbered”. Anyone who dares to question anything done by THE ONE with be investigated thoroughly and completely until they are re-educated to comply with THE ONE’s ideology. NO EXCEPTION!!!

poxoma on November 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

I think Obama is beginning to discover lumps in his pants. He is beginning to realize for the 1st time in his life he is going to held responsible. No voting present. Let’s welcome Barry to the world of reality.

Wade on November 15, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Has he been responsible for any real decisions ever?

the_nile on November 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Now that Obama has to live with these decisions and not simply snipe from the sidelines, the game appears to have changed.

That’s it exactly…………. He has been briefed on what exactly is going on in this world, and not just what he reads about in the New York Times or watches on 60 Minutes.

When faced with the truth, maybe he is starting to realize just why President Bush has aged 50 years in the past eight.

Time to grow up Barry……….. You wanted to play in the big game? Here you go………… ALL EYES ARE ON YOU!!!!

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 1:50 PM

That musta been a hellava security briefing all right!

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 1:47 PM

I think he is the one having buyer’s remorse.

sherry on November 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Has he been responsible for any real decisions ever?

the_nile on November 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

So far, breeder or mutt.

sherry on November 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Republicans are too stupid to play the game.

Bash, bash, bash until you gain power.

Then make any and all adjustments to maintain that power.

Politics is not about principles, it’s about winning.

Unless you win you can’t change anything.

The Dems get it, Pubs are idiots.

mylegsareswollen on November 15, 2008 at 1:54 PM

The more promises he rolls back on, the better I sleep at night.
Keep ‘em coming, Mr. President Elect!

redshirt on November 15, 2008 at 1:54 PM

I expect MoveOn, Code Pink, et al, to follow the NYT lead on this–and any other areas where BO backpedals. Bush-haters attacked his positions BECAUSE they were his positions. Once BO adopts Bush’s positions, then those positions will be the new conventional wisdom. And if we bring up the fact that Bush originated those positions, well then we’re just racist haters, right?

Dee2008 on November 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Just cause someone linked to Obama states these things doesn’t mean he will actually follow through on the policy or that emboldened dems in Congress with a filibuster proof majority will pass these same Bush policies. But it might be fun for the Repubs to point all this out and ask is Obama now voting with Bush’s policies ninety percent of the time and is that change we can believe in?

eaglewingz08 on November 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Has he been responsible for any real decisions ever?

Don’t laugh. Obambi will soon have to make his first big decision: what kind of dog are they gonna have in the White House. Chrissy Matthews, Olberman and the rest of Obambi’s reporter deciples are patiently awaiting that huge decision before writing to praise their Dear leader’s great vision.

poxoma on November 15, 2008 at 1:56 PM

That musta been a hellava security briefing all right!

Exactly. Probably hit Obama like a freight train

“what..uh..we have enemies? but I thought I was gonna restore our image!”

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Obama “Costoro hanno uno animo in piazza, ed uno in palazzo.”

msyb on November 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Time to grow up Barry……….. You wanted to play in the big game? Here you go………… ALL EYES ARE ON YOU!!!!

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 1:50 PM

But Martin Sheen made it look so easy!

thomasaur on November 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt, but it will force a re-evaluation of the Bush administration’s efforts to keep this nation safe from attack — and the success he had in doing so.

The false assumption here is that these people actually believe what they say. They will say or do anything to smear their opposition and the truth is disposable.

We saw this with Bill Clinton and they have far more emotionally invested in Obama. If Joe The Plumber, Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, and the constant flip-flops on the campaign trail didn’t mean a thing to them, then why would this?

sharrukin on November 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM

When faced with the truth, maybe he is starting to realize just why President Bush has aged 50 years in the past eight.

Anyone want to wager on just how long it takes for BOs hair to turn completely white?

Dee2008 on November 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Change is in the air, every sight and every sound
and I don’t know if O’s being foolish, don’t know if O’s being wise, when he drops all his campaign promises
and starts looking like Bush’s behind his eyes.

eaglewingz08 on November 15, 2008 at 2:00 PM

My construction company has built several prisons in the US. We’re bidding on building a very large detention facility – 2 or 3 times the size of Gitmo – at a US facility outside the US. Several changes in the RFP were issued immediately after the election, most geared toward making it larger and more suitable for permanent incarceration.

Ripper on November 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Words, just words.

SouthernGent on November 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM

My construction company has built several prisons in the US. We’re bidding on building a very large detention facility – 2 or 3 times the size of Gitmo – at a US facility outside the US. Several changes in the RFP were issued immediately after the election, most geared toward making it larger and more suitable for permanent incarceration.

That’s probably where they’ll send all of us after we’ve been Plumberized.

Dee2008 on November 15, 2008 at 2:02 PM

I was having a conversation with a group of students the week before the election. They asked who I was voting for, and asked why, so I told them. We then set off on a spirited discussion about the election, and a fairly well-informed group of kids they happened to be–one kid even said that the two candidates’ economic plans were not so far apart, which means he has at least paid enough attention to have heard someone else say that. It’s a start.

One of the points I made to the kids was this: practical politics will–as it always does–force Barack to backtrack furiously on some of his pre-election promises. He’ll get his first real security briefing and find out that GWB wasn’t such an idiot after all…the list goes on. Watch the weeks after the election if he wins, I told them, and the first 100 days. He won’t be able to do what he promised, and when he finds that out, he’ll have to change his plan. What do you think Biden was talking about when he said that the administration will have to do some unpopular things.

This is not to say that I do not think that Barack can do some serious damage to this country because he certainly can and I expect he will. But he’s going to have to spend some time spinning his changes to his base, and that’ll take up energy that he would otherwise be able to use elsewhere.

Bob's Kid on November 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM

My construction company has built several prisons in the US. We’re bidding on building a very large detention facility – 2 or 3 times the size of Gitmo – at a US facility outside the US. Several changes in the RFP were issued immediately after the election, most geared toward making it larger and more suitable for permanent incarceration.

Ripper on November 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Are you allowed to disclose where?

sharrukin on November 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM

I got aqlot wrong in this election chiefly I deluded myself into thinking that Iowa, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania were not going to go to Obama. But this one, this one I got right. Well half right. Obama is a bigger political opportunist than Bill Clinton ever was, or ever could be. Obama has a Kenyan father, advantage Obama.

Obama will not anything that could hurt him politically no matter what he promised or ran on. Obama most fervently believes in Obama. It is simply to risky to bring these prisoners onto American soil. Obama knows his own, he knows the legal wrangling of the left. He gets the wrong judge, and these lower than pond scum degenerates could be walking American streets. Obama won’t risk it. Which is a good thing. I think McCain would have.*

Obama is allergic to responsibility. He will not change a great number of things only becasuse he does not want to be responsible for possible negative outcomes. He’ll lay out platitudes and take tiny political risks that he thinks he can get away with. Changing stem cell policy and funding its research, reducing immigration enforcement, government giveaways of all sorts. Things that will get him good press. He knows the media is willing. (I doubt his press secretary calls on Jake Tapper too often) Ed is right 63 million suckers born every generation.

* An interesting point that was batted around here during the immigration debate. Had John Kerry won would he have even attempted to tackle amnesty? We can all guess no, the amnesty bill was so wildly unpopular Kerry would have run far far away from it. With Democrats we do not have to worry about battling our own. We would have had to fight John McCain tooth and nail on climate change, amnesty, free market policy, and we would have had to do it with a Democrat controlled congress. At least the failure does not belong to the Republicans.

Theworldisnotenough on November 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM

And a child shall lead them…
God help us

katy on November 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM

“Chimpy” gets a promotion from “The Worst President Ever” to…

But the left will still spin this as “well, Barack was hobbled by his predicessor, and therefore was prevented from doing everything he could have”. The cartoonists have already started that meme by showing Barack entering a completely trashed White House, inheriting a mangy mutt with legs labeled “war”, “economy”, “education”,…

That some of the legs of the mutt were made by Clinton is left unsaid.

But the spin of a bad Bush legacy won’t work if Barack can abolish a Bush policy by Executive Order and chooses not to. These broken promises to his base must be hammered home until they are as demoralized as we were a week ago.

unclesmrgol on November 15, 2008 at 2:09 PM

A liberal doesn’t change their stripes, at least not at the level The One is at.

This is all pre-administration spin.

Obama is going to do exactly what he promised he ouwld do: he is going to raise taxes, he is going to push socialized medicine, he is going to close GITMO, he is going to go after guns, he is going to go for a “fairness doctrine”, etc.

Let’s play “What is more Likely”…

Is it more likely that Obama will support Democrat legislation to close GITMO (albeit in some nuanced way) or is it more likely Obama will continue with Bush administration policies?

Is it more likely Obama will desert his base and continue with security strategies which have worked, or come up with some LE type solution to make it appear he is tough on terror while undermining actual security?

I would love to believe Obama is the kind of man who received his security brief and realizes the world isn’t governed by leftist talking points. But I would ask anyone to provide some concrete evidence from this guys lifetime – from his politics, rhetoric, votes, philosophy, etc. which would say he will do anything other than what he has promised he would.

Until this guy actually does what is right and stands up for it, I don’t trust him as far as I trust the MSM who is going to support Obama regardless of what his policies are.

catmman on November 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Primary Him!

dglenn on November 15, 2008 at 2:15 PM

So can we start producing the documentary “Obama: a portrait of jello”

izoneguy on November 15, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I keep hearing about Sarah, but why doesn’t someone on MSM say it…….maybe The One isn’t ready…maybe he needs more experience? I think he is just realizing what he has gotten himself into.

KCB on November 15, 2008 at 2:16 PM

The question for me, then, is what will Obama do to reward his leftwing base? If he is going to be more pragmatic on detention and Guantanamo, if he’s going to have to rein in his domestic agenda due to the sluggish (if not worse) economy, what will he enact to satisfy his core supporters?

They’ll want something – deservedly so (unfortunately). And he’ll have to throw them a bone or two.

Fairness Doctrine? Amnesty?

It’ll be something.

SteveMG on November 15, 2008 at 2:18 PM

“But I would ask anyone to provide some concrete evidence from this guys lifetime – from his politics, rhetoric, votes, philosophy, etc. which would say he will do anything other than what he has promised he would.

catmman on November 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM”

I would love to…………………. but all his records are sealed.

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2008 at 2:18 PM

There is the idealist Obama who comes alive and believes he is everything the adoring masses scream at him. In the quiet of his first briefing sat a man who fell the earth. Thud!
I think the Obama administration will be the most conflicted and confusing administration in history. Decisions that are all over the map. Incoherent. Unexplainable. The press will be tripping all over themselves trying to make sense of every step.
Of all the freakin’ times to have a child in the White House. A very dangerous child at that.

katy on November 15, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Welcome to reality, Barack.

flyawaybird on November 15, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Is anyone going to keep track of how many broken promises this man will have?

boomer on November 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM

All of them!

driver on November 15, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Barry remimds me of two great old Southern sayings:

1. All Hat and No Cattle

2. His Alligator Mouth Has Overloaded His Humming Bird
Rear End.

Reality sure gets in the way of things, doesn’t it, Barry?

kingsjester on November 15, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Is just a Political game. I hope for our sakes that maybe The One, will have second thoughts. I think he thought he was being elected as the Disney Land King. Still don’t trust him. Bush was a good man! He kept us safe. That I cannot deny. Any way, is after 11:00 here in Ca. and is already 94 degrees! I am baking. Anyone! Send me some snow or rain please!!!!

sheebe on November 15, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Now the moonbats get to experience the MSM covering for Teh One.

There will not be coverage of broken promises …. remember it was the MSM that told the moonbats pre-election: “when Barry breaks promises (e.g. FISA) it’s ONLY to get elected….he’ll do everything he said once he gets in there. Just STFU and hang in there.”

Welcome to our world and Hitlary’s world barking moonbats.

It always was because of the color of his skin for the MSM.

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on November 15, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Has he been responsible for any real decisions ever?

the_nile on November 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM
So far, breeder or mutt.

sherry on November 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Was that when he married Michelle?

AZCoyote on November 15, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Are you allowed to disclose where?

Only a couple of people in the firm even know where, I don’t. We were told to assume certain things, like the size and improvements of the site, what we can get locally for material and manpower, how far away the port is and what the docks are like, what the climate is like.

We know that like Gitmo it’s not US territory, some other nation has sovereignty. I could make a couple of guesses, but they’d only be guesses.

Ripper on November 15, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Uh…well…er…ah…let me…uh…finish my…uh…point…er…ah…

whitetop on November 15, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Same thing with pulling out of Iraq….The fanatic left expects all military out NOW…After a few briefings, even 0 will see the difficulties in that..Same in Afghanistan, another “either or” problem with the left…He is going to be hated by the crazed faction of his own party by the end of his first year

b4lucy on November 15, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Third term of Bush? Well, if you throw in – wrecking the economy with the boondoggle of ecological issues.

marklmail on November 15, 2008 at 2:31 PM

keep the change on November 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM

I actually think if the Code Pink and Raging Grammies change their position and support an Obama administration using the policies that the Bush Administration did, I’ll have to start praying they get deadly, deadly horrifyingly painful terminal illnesses.

These folks went to the lengths of giving 600,000 dollars to our enemies in Fallujah while our Marines were fighting there. If they change their position, it will be the clearest example of extreme partisan behavior with their own countrymen in harms way for cheap political points.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 2:34 PM

This is really simple, folks. As I explained to my daughter-in-law, who objected to indefinite detentions in Guantanamo, during WWII we held enemy prisoners for the duration of the war – not indefinitely. The same should hold true for the WOT – when the murderous Islamist thugs end the war they started, and not a day sooner, we can release the prisoners we are holding. And not a day sooner, since there are several (many??) cases of freed Gitmo prisoners being captured AGAIN on the battlefield, trying to kill our soldiers and Iraqi civilians.

fred5678 on November 15, 2008 at 2:36 PM

By January 20, we’re going to be swearing in George Bush 3 aka Barack Obama. That’s what happens when you blindly trash the sitting administration and open your mouth before your mind.

redfoxbluestate on November 15, 2008 at 2:39 PM

The truth is he’s starting to hear the daily intels that the present administration gets.

When you actually are privy to what goes on with these Jihadist thugs you can experience a real “oh, I get it now” moment.

For all of our sakes, hopefully, he have many more.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 2:39 PM

“he’ll” have many…

dammit!

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM

“Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt, but it will force a re-evaluation of the Bush admin’s efforts to keep this nation safe from attack…”

My take is that the code pinkos and moveons will conduct only token gestures of dissent, but will not spend media money or mobilize the SF/NYC/LA Paper mache puppet brigades against Obama should he continue Bush’s line on this issue.

Will.not.happen. Obama is not going to become LBJ, shouted out of the WH by his own people. Besides, the media and street-protest class in the US wont treat Obama the way the hippies and 60′s media hosed LBJ.

If Obama walks back any or some or all of Bush’s detention policies, and if gitmo stays open, we’ll see a few street marches or disrupting a committee hearing somewhere, but nothing anywhere close to what they did to Bush.

Mike D. on November 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM

keep the change on November 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM
I actually think if the Code Pink and Raging Grammies change their position and support an Obama administration using the policies that the Bush Administration did, I’ll have to start praying they get deadly, deadly horrifyingly painful terminal illnesses.

Let us PRAY

driver on November 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Back in the primary season there were debates about who was scarier – Hill or O. The prevailing logic seemed to be that Hill’s policies were a little less scary, but she had the gumption (and FBI files) to make it all happen, while BarryO would promise a lefty dreamworld but be unable to pull it off.

Hopefully reality pushes O so far to the center that Mother Sheehan will protest him!

innominatus on November 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM

the new administration should seek Congressional authority for preventive detention of terrorism suspects deemed too dangerous to release even if they cannot be successfully prosecuted.

I am soooooooooo looking forward to this!

I didn’t know that “I’ll close Gitmo” had it’s own bus!!

Let’s see..
No Tax hike
No Tax cut
No CIA interrogation restraints
No closing Gitmo

I get the feeling Obama is running for 2012 and he’s running right down the middle.

Texas Gal on November 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM

It is becoming quite apparent that he doesn’t have any idea which end is up. He thought this was going to be receptions, roses, roaring crowds, kissing of the ring, parades and national holidays commemorating his being.

We now have our own Queen Elizabeth.

sherry on November 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

If he conforms with reality, you and I will continue to be angry. Code Pink will become very angry. His supporters will say he is a realist and made a tiny change in his policy. He will get another very strong election in 2012 by co opting support of waverers in the past election.

If he doesn’t conform with reality, you and I will be very angry. Code Pink will be very happy. He will still get elected.

burt on November 15, 2008 at 2:53 PM

I see the NYMBY (no in my backyard) meme going on here. Someone probably told him that at the rate that people are telling him that they don’t want those folks over here. The only place available maybe the Lincoln bedroom.
:)

El Coqui on November 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

That musta been a hellava security briefing all right!

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Obama needed a “change” for sure. A change of his shorts.

tjexcite on November 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Texas Gal on November 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Gitmo had it’s own bus. Funny.

The lib push to prosecute President Bush would hopefully see a steady decline in enthusiasm also. Or, they’d be immediately talking about impeaching there own Dear Leader.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM

The truth is he’s starting to hear the daily intels that the present administration gets.

When you actually are privy to what goes on with these Jihadist thugs you can experience a real “oh, I get it now” moment.

For all of our sakes, hopefully, he have many more.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 2:39 PM

And what many don’t want to know, is Jihad is almost next door. Could be in a neighbor hood next to me. It is very serious, is real. I knew about CodePink and the other so called Groups. Giving money to the enemy. But, am surprised on how many The One supporters. They didn’t know this, said it was another lie. A lot of Republican’s didn’t give that a thought. Or Read about that. I was wondering in the Pres. debates. Why Jihad wasn’t talked about. *sigh*
Or am I just a worry bug?

sheebe on November 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Watch MSNBC, and experience the power of change.

Their new slogan. I wonder if Pravda has any tips for them on how to serve ‘The One’. Grovelling lickspittles!

I do not expect the media to live up to their obligations as journalists and bloggers can’t as yet make up the difference.

Who exactly is going to hold Obama accountable for anything?

sharrukin on November 15, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Who exactly is going to hold Obama accountable for anything?

sharrukin on November 15, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Dang, good point….. Would be interesting to see that!

sheebe on November 15, 2008 at 3:12 PM

sheebe on November 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM

You’re not worried for nothing. I wish I could relate some of the intelligence that we got from the ones killed and captured in OEF RC East and South. Can’t though.

I will say that documents taken off of cadre in RC East described the practice of actually bring their teenage boy-”girl friends” into the actual areas of their operations was considered “unmilitary” and frowned on.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Anyone want to wager on just how long it takes for BOs hair to turn completely white?

Dee2008 on November 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Probably already is, after all, he goes home to James Brown In A Dress every night.

Wade on November 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM

You’re not worried for nothing. I wish I could relate some of the intelligence that we got from the ones killed and captured in OEF RC East and South. Can’t though.

I never had info that you would. Or Bush. Nothing like that. I do have a friend who is retired FBI. I talked to him many times. Told him how I saw things. And I know they are going on. Could tell I pushed a button. He told me that it would be best If he didn’t comment. He gave my an admirable look. I do have friends. I been putting pieces together even before we went in to Iraq. I read a lot also. But, I do scare people when I do tell them that they are not seeing the danger ahead.

sheebe on November 15, 2008 at 3:18 PM

My construction company has built several prisons in the US. We’re bidding on building a very large detention facility – 2 or 3 times the size of Gitmo – at a US facility outside the US. Several changes in the RFP were issued immediately after the election, most geared toward making it larger and more suitable for permanent incarceration.

Ripper on November 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM

I wish you knew where, so I’d know how to dress.

davidk on November 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM

I would suggest housing the GITMO detainees in Hyde Park. Bill and Bernadine have a big house, it’s time to share. Ya know, Rev Wright has some pretty big new digs too, he & Fleger could counsel their America-hating brethren while putting them up in that 10 million shack that whitey paid for.

Tim Zank on November 15, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Ripper on November 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM

That is good to hear. They just can’t close Gitmo now. I hope that The ahem, One. Realizes he needs to keep it for now. Sure wouldn’t want any one of them. Running in our cities free. Like Mr. Ayers, and others.

sheebe on November 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Not only will the MoveOn/Code Pink crowd utterly revolt, but it will force a re-evaluation of the Bush administration’s efforts to keep this nation safe from attack — and the success he had in doing so.

I didn’t notice the author at the top, but I could instantly tell that this was Ed by this line.

No, Ed, I’m truly sorry to have to say this, but the left will never re-evaluate the Bush administration’s efforts. Obama can capture, interrogate and torture whoever he wants – it’s different than Bush because Obama is change.

I mean just compare to Al Gore back in the 90′s! “Yes, of course it’s illegal – that’s why it’s a covert operation.”

But does anyone hold him to that? No, of course not. Just like nobody will hold Obama to any of his campaign promises, and they wont hold him to the same standard they hold Bush.

Never gonna happen.

apollyonbob on November 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM

What would Rush do with all his “Club Gitmo” gear? No, we must maintain this facility for Rush’s sake.

Mojave Mark on November 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Huh? What? Democrats lie to win elections? No, can’t be.
Bush deserves a big thank you for keeping us safe these past seven years.
….In other news, Hamas and Osama Bin Laden taste the bitter pill of buyer’s remorse. Bin Laden spotted kicking his pet goat.

HornetSting on November 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM

If this man faces any danger, it is from the Left. He will throw all the nuts under the bus, black and white in order to get reelected. When the insane-o’s that got him elected catch wind of his perceived betrayal, it should get jiggy quick.

This president and congress could be the end of the democratic party.

Hening on November 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Anyone want to wager on just how long it takes for BOs hair to turn completely white?

Dee2008 on November 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Probably already is, after all, he goes home to James Brown In A Dress every night.

Wade on November 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM

That just made me spit beer ALL OVER my laptop. Priceless, absolutely priceless!

Tim Zank on November 15, 2008 at 3:37 PM

I’m heading to Wallyworld to stock up on popcorn. This is gonna be entertaining.
Pass the butter…

HornetSting on November 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM

What would Rush do with all his “Club Gitmo” gear? No, we must maintain this facility for Rush’s sake.

Mojave Mark on November 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I swear Rush stole that from me anyway. A friend and I considered making “My Daddy Went To Gitmo and All I Got Was This T-shirt”, t-shirts to wear to a peace rally we were going to crash in Chapel Hill. He must have heard us.

Seriously, I’m sure he’s turned a coin or two on that stuff. Good for him.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Is anyone going to keep track of how many broken promises this man will have?

boomer on November 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM

I can’t, I already have a full time job….

Hog Wild on November 15, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Oh goodness how is Sean Penn going to react when he finds out he still can’t put MY in front of President?

Texas Gal on November 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM

I can’t, I already have a full time job….

Hog Wild on November 15, 2008 at 3:45 PM

LMAO!!!

sheebe on November 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM

This is comforting. There may be hope for us if he walks back from his loons. There may be hope if he eases back on the anti-coal stuff. And if someone (an adult) can get him to not repeat the errors of FDR, that would be hopeful.

If this whole thing comes down to some Carter-type new energy programs that simply waste money, we will survive.

I mean, does he really want to fall on his sword for a loon fringe, or does he want to be a president that has a robust economy as his legacy.

No one knows, but movements like this give me hope.

r keller on November 15, 2008 at 3:49 PM

I have always thought that who ever got elected would be forced to be George the II on the war. The policies in place are the best we could come up with given the circumstances and the law. The best generals are in charge. Obama and crew know that. They are just hoping to inherit the victory and claim credit for it.

Domestically he will do what he wants. His base will be happy. The only restraint going forward will be the contracting economy. It certainly won’t be the repubs.

patrick neid on November 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM

I mean, does he really want to fall on his sword for a loon fringe, or does he want to be a president that has a robust economy as his legacy.

No one knows, but movements like this give me hope.

r keller on November 15, 2008 at 3:49 PM

The thing that is scary is that Obama doesn’t think that the loon fringe is loony. These are his people. Look at the nutjobs that he associates with…..
It does give me hope, though. Hope that he will not destroy this great country.

HornetSting on November 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM

I can’t wait to see how the media spins this one.

mindhacker on November 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Obama lied and people weren’t tried.

How long will it be before those on the left discover that DINO is not just a pet on the Flintstones?

meci on November 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Obama is a one term president.

Obama=Carter

portlandon on November 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Can’t we just congratulate these folks for seeing the light?

/

Angry Dumbo on November 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Next thing you know, Teh One will cut capitals gains tax and try to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.

/sarc

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM

portlandon on November 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

I’m hoping it’s a half term……that is, if the Repubs get off their arses for 2010 and recapture a majority of one of the houses of Congress.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 4:17 PM

A rock and a hard place. That is where Obama has put himself.

Terrye on November 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM

We really should nickname him “Paper”. Describes his résumé for being POTUS and shows how he twists in the political winds.

Spine of steel, Greasy Joe? I think not.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Dr. Cwac:

O.T.

As a fellow Hoosier I have to say I can not believe that Obama won this state. Bush carried Indiana by double digits. Our unemployment rate is 6.3%. Down here in the sticks it might be higher, it always is. But this is one of those areas where things really don’t change that much. It is not that different from 2004. I really do not get it. How many people live in Gary anyway?

Terrye on November 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Stop, my side hurts!

artist on November 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM

I really do not get it. How many people live in Gary anyway?

Terrye on November 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM

The question should be: How many dead of fraudulent voters in Gary? I think that is where ACORN was conducting all of their funny business. Hopefully, Todd Rokita will get an investigation going before he leaves office.

The other place where Teh One won was Marion County aka Indianapolis. Team Barry had a good ground game going in central Indiana and surprisingly in red-than-red Hamilton County where I live. My district voted overwhelmingly for Palin-McCain. Very few Obama signs in my town.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Is anyone going to keep track of how many broken promises this man will have?

boomer on November 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=311212244872396

Here’s your very own checklist. We’ll be watching closely.

Rightwaywin on November 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Is anyone going to keep track of how many broken promises this man will have?

boomer on November 15, 2008 at 1:42 PMObama lied and people weren’t tried.

How long will it be before those on the left discover that DINO is not just a pet on the Flintstones?

meci on November 15, 2008 at 4:06 PMIs anyone going to keep track of how many broken promises this man will have?

boomer on November 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM
I can’t, I already have a full time job….

Hog Wild on November 15, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Uh…well…er…ah…let me…uh…finish my…uh…point…er…ah…

whitetop on November 15, 2008 at 2:29 PM

WHERE’S MY IMPEACH OBAMA BUMPER STICKER!!!

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM

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