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posted at 9:21 pm on November 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Two predictions, the first (amazingly) from former Ron Paul advisor Peter Schiff circa 2006-07, the second from Trends Research CEO Gerald Celente circa last week.

I plan on using my platform at HA in the coming months to organize the Order of the Hand, with me in the Will Ferrell role. Those who fear an apocalyptic Celente-esque recession are welcome to join me in the mountains. We shall subsist on corned beef and Jack, and worship as our goddess Rebecca Gomez.


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… what happens if the USA gov defaults on its obligations?

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 10:38 PM

Your question is timely.

According to this piece in the Wall Street Journal — titled “Washington Is Quietly Repudiating Its Debts” — Adam Smith once observed that “there had never been a ’single instance’ of sovereign debts having been repaid once ‘accumulated to a certain degree.’”

paul006 on November 14, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Whether the pundits talk about it or not, people sense the trouble we’re in. That’s why Obama won. The voters know we’re near the cliff, and they hope magic can save us.

Anyone who isn’t deeply worried just isn’t paying attention.

paul006 on November 14, 2008 at 10:04 PM


Quote of the day!

The evidence that we have spent our way into certain oblivion is everywhere.

The evidence that Obama will seal our fate is evidenced in the photo of him carrying around a copy of “The Post American World”.

To make things even scarier, lots of important people are talking about terrorist attacks in our near future. Our enemies know that we are no longer in a position to suffer the effects of a serious strike, and no longer have the will or leadership to retaliate.

Even you if you think this is crazy talk, please stock up on essentials. Arm yourself. Pay attention. If all of this somehow turns out to be nothing you can sell the gun and eat the food at your leisure.

Dorvillian on November 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM

I’m not sure who has shopped at wallyworld lately but it is seems to be raising it’s prices on the bulk of their products.
brianpierre on November 14, 2008 at 10:44 PM

I’m working retail hardware. Each week nearly 25% of the goods we check in have gone up in price–some 50%. And it’s happening while fuel prices are going down.

Stock up now. Tomorrow it will cost more.

davidk on November 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Chewy, did MR pass the torch?

Sapwolf on November 14, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Remind me again about the definition of a troll? Bridge? Check, Beard? Check. Green and/or yellow skin?check. Eats their young? Check. Oh, I see, Bride of Rove!

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Personally, I wouldn’t buy gold. Gold is only valuable in a society that has not broken down. Gold is valued for its aesthetic appeal but has very little practical purposes, at least from a survivalist point of view. It’s so soft, it can not even be used as a tool. Gold can not be eaten, can not be burned to heat your house, and can not be worn for warmth. Putting your wealth into gold might turn out to be as silly as putting it into stocks and bonds. Ultimately, the commodities that will matter are not precious metals but canned food, water, and salt. And ammo to protect the food, water, and salt.

keep the change on November 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM

I live in UT and I’ve come to learn that, apart from being wonderful neighbors, the Mormons are also very smart. Every Mormon household has a 1+ year of:

1. Food
2. Water
3. Weapons
4. Ammo

I used to make fun of it. Now, it makes me look like the fool.

What exactly is a years worth? And what gun to get? ….Amazing how ignorant some of us are………

MooseStew on November 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM

http://tinyurl.com/64c9aa

joey24007 on November 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM

We are definitely not in as bad a shape as the depths of the depression – at least not yet, thank goodness. But what if it does happen? Contrast the mostly rural 1930’s to the people of today. Times were awful, but to hear my family tell it, they weren’t all that well off before the depression.

Today we have have had it so good for so long, how would people react? A lot of the cities are borderline scary anyway. It wouldn’t take a whole lot to spiral out of control.

A friend works at a company that supplies GM. One of their other customers is stalling on making commitments on orders. The fear is that if GM stops buying, my friend’s company goes under and leaves them high and dry.

My company “downsized” 1000 people, even though our 3rd quarter was 20% better than last year, because next year looks bleak. We lower our expectations, our suppliers, lower theirs, on down the line. Our employees cut back on expenses in case they lose their jobs, and other businesses suffer.

It’s building momentum. Where does it stop?

Mini14 on November 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM

s’cuse???

Chewy, did MR pass the torch?

Sapwolf on November 14, 2008 at 10:57 PM

That’s totally snarky? Right?

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM

U.S. goes off gold standard.

Everything that follows can only be based on fantasy.

And when the illusion is finally seen-through, hard knocks hit.

Maple Leaf bullion coins or Credit Suisse 1 oz. gold bars- both 999.9 pure (unlike the 91.67 % U.S. gold Eagle coins) are worth a look.

profitsbeard on November 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM

paul006 on November 14, 2008 at 10:53 PM

good article. a bit dated wiht the dollar going up since thearticle was written but still very good.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM

We started planning for this back in the ’90s. I got RIFFed from Conoco in “94. I had already bought 16+ AC of wooded land in the country which is now paid off. I paid off my house in town by kicking in a little more principal each month. When we built our small self sufficient country place, I put in propane heat and an aerobic sewer system, also a 10 KW generator and a 1000 Gal propane tank. We have our own water well. As long as I can get propane every 2-3 years we will be OK. My wife got RIFFed in March, and is having a hard time even getting interviews, muck less a new job.

I have a pretty good arsenal and lots of ammo, so we will be eating squirrel if we have to. We have lots of those.

I got out of the markets and went short a while back. I think gold will be a good play soon. The SPDR GLD is the way to go.

marcboyd on November 14, 2008 at 11:02 PM

I’m sorry — based on the infamous “calm down” (ODS) thread, doesn’t this guy’s behavior damage his “credibility?” What are the rules here? A thread devoted to firearms sales is ok, but any attempt to draw lessons from the famed despots of history is verboten?

Y-not on November 14, 2008 at 11:05 PM

My company “downsized” 1000 people, even though our 3rd quarter was 20% better than last year, because next year looks bleak. We lower our expectations, our suppliers, lower theirs, on down the line. Our employees cut back on expenses in case they lose their jobs, and other businesses suffer.

That’s why I’m starting to wonder how much of this economic downturn is brought about all the gloom and doom in the media?

terryannonline on November 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Who’s ready for the end of cushiness?

greggriffith on November 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM

I bought gold at $300 does that matter :O)

brianpierre on November 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM

I’m sorry — based on the infamous “calm down” (ODS) thread, doesn’t this guy’s behavior damage his “credibility?” What are the rules here? A thread devoted to firearms sales is ok, but any attempt to draw lessons from the famed despots of history is verboten?

Y-not on November 14, 2008 at 11:05 PM

I’ll tell you what. I don’t care if I have ODS, PMS, or whatever ‘S’, no one will tell me to shut up again. When you shut up, you get Candidate Crap, who lost, and President Crap. Play with your loins, clean your loins, gird you loins, but be prepared. Be very prepared.

HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM

I bought gold at $300 does that matter :O)

brianpierre on November 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Damn show-off.

HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:09 PM

What exactly is a years worth? And what gun to get? ….Amazing how ignorant some of us are………

MooseStew on November 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Go to Youtube and look up “food storage” there are ample clips of Mormons showing off their stockpiles of food. Some of them actually have aisles in their basements, one lady keeps mason jars of food in her tiny crawl space.

I’m no gun expert, but I’m about to purchase a pump action shotgun.

I have cleared out a hall closet and filled it with non-perishable food. It’s good until to ‘10, so even if I’ve lost my mind…no harm no fowl.

Dorvillian on November 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM

I’m sorry — based on the infamous “calm down” (ODS) thread, doesn’t this guy’s behavior damage his “credibility?” What are the rules here? A thread devoted to firearms sales is ok, but any attempt to draw lessons from the famed despots of history is verboten?

Y-not on November 14, 2008 at 11:05 PM

If I’m not mistaken. Ed wrote the “calm down” post. Allah wrote this one. Not the same person.

terryannonline on November 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Also, one thing many of you have not mentioned, is The Federal Reserve Bank-a privately owned central banking system. They are playing a huge part in this mess and they ARE NOT part of our government. Many people do not know this. The Federal Reserve are group of Elite Bankers who are stealing our money any time and whenever they want.

On Sunday, December 23, 1913, two days before Christmas, while most of Congress was on vacation, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. Wilson would later express profound regret over his tragic decision, stating:

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world – no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

Less than one year later Congress declared the 16th Amendment as having been ratified, although it wasn’t, creating the Internal Revenue Service which became the de-facto collection agency for the Federal Reserve System. Its only duty was to tax the income of citizens to make the interest payments for the U.S. Government loans that would soon follow.

Here’s the link to learn more on The Banking History of The Federal Reserve System:

http://www.fdrs.org/banking_history.html

corvettelady on November 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM

corvettelady on November 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM

it was only a matter of time before this came up

sigh … this thread was so much fun but I guess it has become officially overrun by Paulbots

So who controls the Federal reserve again … the jews or the aliens?

joey24007 on November 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM

We shall subsist on corned beef and Jack

At first I thought you were talking about Jack cheese, then I realized the obvious, Jack Daniels.

slp on November 14, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Most of us here are just havin’ a good time. And most of us, except maybe for stocking up on foodstuffs, have been prepared for “the revolution” for a long time. It’s just that we want the guh’mint to “leave us the hell alone!”

You made my point for me. Sorry. Quit living in your bunker, shave your beard and get out into society and like, (tilts head in coquettishlike manner)talk to people. Your comment that “Most of us here are just havin’ a good time,” tells me you’re not very serious about this stuff, it’s a game, Ho, ho, ho, let’s pimp us some Conservocrats and pretend to be cavemen, tee, hee. (Pretends to sniff, scratch, make bodily noises). Go ahead and stock up on your foodstuffs: (Falafala, hummas, etc.)
If need be, I can shoot a squirrel, catch a couple of bluegill and given the time of year, barter for a vegetable or two since I can’t grow it right now.
Thanks,
Troll

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 11:21 PM

I am from the Mountains but we can still email:)

I read where they are letting homeowners up in wWhitefish keep up to 6 laying hens…here’s the thing, you are going to want some yardbirds, if you plan on living off the land. Now who do you think is zoning their neighbors, telling them how many chickens they can keep?

http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/city/C47/P8/

http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/article/whitefish_is_clucking_over_chickens/6266/

If you can hunt, you have to get a tag, and if you want a big fat Cow as in Elk, you gotta get in on a Lottery.

This is outrageous they want to charge people $990. To keep 2 chickens in their yard. Considering this is how rural folks get along in hard times, these beauracrats need to reconsider. Or else they may have a run in with those bitter clingers GRIN. Montana has the right to carry in the open. It’s a Mountain thing, you should be packin.

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/10/31/news/local/news02.txt

Dr Evil on November 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Hey Dr.,

I got a kick out of the paragraph from the second link:

Residents who want to raise a few chickens in their city backyards for eggs, manure, insect control, and companionship currently must pay $990 for a Conditional Use Permit and go before the City Council for a public hearing. Unless hens are specialty breeds, ready-to-lay chickens cost under $10 a piece, and a 50-pound bag of feed sells for under $15.

Wow. $990 bucks for companionship with a chicken. I think I’ll go catch me one of them frisky squirrels and save the money.

Sapwolf on November 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Frack, just cracked part of my 20-year-old Lyman single stage reloading press, just under the die. I was loading more 9mm for the range tomorrow. Metal fatigue, I guess. Goodbye, old friend…

(Not really off topic, “ammunition” is in the thread title.)

Mini14 on November 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Keep the change – I disagree with you about not buying Gold. As you know, the value of the dollar continues to shrink. The more our govt. keeps the printers running, the worst it gets & eventually our currency will become worthless, so this is where Gold will come in handy to buy things for survival. It has happened before, so would be blind to say it can’t happen again. My family have already stocked up on emergency food, guns/ammo, water, etc. We want to be ready just in case….rather be safe than sorry.

corvettelady on November 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM

In the name of the father, the son and Ron Paul

Amen

joey24007 on November 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM

I bought gold at $300 does that matter :O)

brianpierre on November 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Damn show-off.

HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:09 PM

hate to burst your bubble, but do you really own gold or shares in an ETF that trades in gold? Big difference.
Just Saying. Sigh.

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM

In the name of the father, the son and Ron Paul

Amen

joey24007 on November 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM

Could we stop talking about little green men and get serious…. ;}

HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM

we have to help them or the economy will crash” nonsense starts, then we get to pay the bill.

MyImamToldMeToDoIt on November 14, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Except we can’t pay the bill. As government takes more to maintain it’s ridiculous lifestyle (swat teams, special ed programs, esl, weed wardens, etc.) people have less to spend, necessitating higher prices to pay off the government which leads to a spiral down the toilet. The money for this doesn’t exist.

The housing market drove city budgets with inflated values, which led to record tax revenues and a ’spend it all’ mentality. When the cities and government contracts, as it must (Phoenix asking for bailout cash. For what?) people will lose jobs, adding to the loss of value of houses which lowers tax revenue.

We’re screwed.

But, out of the ashes comes opportunity. Cubans are mighty creative with very little in resources.

TinMan13 on November 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM

And what gun to get? ….Amazing how ignorant some of us are………

MooseStew on November 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM

I’d go with an AR-15. It fires military ammo, and an off brand, but still meets milspec, like DPMS can be had for just under $700.

DFCtomm on November 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Laffer(sp?) came around eventually, though. Didn’t he just release a book, (or an article about it, at least), titled The End of Prosperity?

FloatingRock on November 14, 2008 at 11:35 PM

Wow. $990 bucks for companionship with a chicken. I think I’ll go catch me one of them frisky squirrels and save the money.

Sapwolf on November 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM

LMAO.

gosh, but in a way not so funny. We own a tinsy bit of acreage about 40 miles out of town [St. Louis] (’probly not far enough). I am soo seriously thinking a lot of what ifs. If some of the uglier of those what ifs come true my biggest regret is that little bit of acreage isn’t, oh 200 miles from a metropolitan area.

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM

Yeah but we have this to get by

http://www.celebuzz.com/short-shorts-pics-sarah-palins-s64391/photos-32205561/

something had to be done to pick up the spirits on this thread … I used the nuclear option

I don’t regret it

joey24007 on November 14, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Dynamite Joey. Notice that guy in one pic shaking her hand. Obviously Todd is away watching the kids while Sarah valiantly fights off propective rogues in the Sunshine State.

Go Arctic Fox, but don’t forget the block 40 stuff against the sun.

Sapwolf on November 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM

You made my point for me.

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Comb your hair a bit different and you’ll hide that point.

(tilts head in coquettishlike manner)

Are you a boy or a girl?

Troll
Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Pot–kettle.

Just let me know when you need a can of Spam.

davidk on November 14, 2008 at 11:39 PM

You had me at corned beef and Jack. I’m there Allah. Can I bring Julie Banderas? Juliet Huddy? What about Martha McCallum? Guinness, Smithwicks, chips, dips, chains, whips, and we’ll have a grand old time.
I knew this was going to be bad about a year ago when the fed started cutting interest rates a half a point one day and then a full point a few days later. Then again, and again and it just left a nervous impression on me. It still makes me nervous and I just pray I can keep working. I’ve never been jobless, well, not for long anyway.

Geronimo on November 14, 2008 at 11:40 PM

Remind me again about the definition of a troll? Bridge? Check, Beard? Check. Green and/or yellow skin?check. Eats their young? Check. Oh, I see, Bride of Rove!

Chewy the Lab

.
Now is that really necessary? I was saving canibalism for last — but I can bump that up on the survival check list for you. *gimlet eye*

BrideOfRove on November 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Schiff was exactly right, and it’s amazing how people scoffed. Not hyperbole, those people were insulting him and groaning in contrived disgust.

MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM

Now is that really necessary? I was saving canibalism for last — but I can bump that up on the survival check list for you. *gimlet eye*

BrideOfRove on November 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Could you tell your husband to shut his piehole? We are tired of hearing his analysis of why we lost the election. We know why.

HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:43 PM

I just finished the first video. This Schiff guy is awesome! What, does he have a crystal ball or something?

He didn’t get every little detail right, but you’ve gotta’ respect a guy who speaks truth in the face of unanimous opposition.

FloatingRock on November 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Glen Beck used to have Schiff on his program a lot. I used to think that he was smoking or direct lining something. Now, I see that he is a genius. He truly understood the underlying problems in the mortgage industy. Now the credit markets are drying up. But, I still get credit card offers in the mail.

cjs1943 on November 14, 2008 at 11:49 PM

Schiff was exactly right, and it’s amazing how people scoffed. Not hyperbole, those people were insulting him and groaning in contrived disgust.

MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM

It was a nice touch by the editor to leave in all of their buy recommendations for now defunct corporations.

FloatingRock on November 14, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Not to toot my own horn, (well, maybe a little), but I saw this crisis coming back in ‘03, although only in the most ambiguous terms.

FloatingRock on November 14, 2008 at 11:52 PM

He didn’t get every little detail right, but you’ve gotta’ respect a guy who speaks truth in the face of unanimous opposition.

FloatingRock on November 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Calling the way they treated him opposition is being kind. They ridiculed him, but I’ll bet he has gotten no apologies, and most of those that laughed at him probably now say they saw it coming.

DFCtomm on November 14, 2008 at 11:53 PM

Time to start oiling up my weapon, and prepping to defend myself. Perhaps a move to Australia is in order?

leetpriest on November 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM

The big Fort Worth gun show tomorrow and Sunday, 9-6.
1000 vendors, Will Rodgers Memorial Center. $7 admission.

I’ll be in line at 8 a.m. to go in and purchase three lower receivers for an AR. A man can never have enough ARs around the house. You can open cans with them, nail up boards, and convince a neighbor to turn down his stereo.

If anyone is in the area come on down and join the party. The next gun show in Fort Worth is two days AFTER the that fella from Chicago takes the oath.

An out of the box AR-15 is about $1200 bucks (right now). A lower receiver (the BATF controlled part to the weapon) is about $150 bucks. The rest of the components can be bought over the counter in kit form for about $500.

Get em’ while you can.

Hugs and kisses,

Limerick on November 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM

WOW, Peter Schiff nailed it!

“an astonishingly well run company” Ben Stein (Merrill Lynch)

Hahahahaha!

p.s. I like Spam, Kraft Dinner, and Beans and Rice so I’m set.

sharrukin on November 14, 2008 at 11:56 PM

Everyone should have a rifle per family and a handgun per adult. Enough food to survive 6 months and don’t forget water. Get ready. Civil War is coming. Luckily the libtards are unarmed.

bill30097 on November 15, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Corvettelady, you can buy gold, but what will you do with it? Indeed, how will you sell it? What stock market are you going to use to sell it when there is no more stock market because lower Manhattan no longer exists? That may sound extreme, but that is the scenario we are entertaining now. Do you have the gold bars in your possession? How will you barter for supplies with gold bars?

Gold only has value as long as there are enough people around you that already have everything else, and want some gold for jewelry on top of that. That means civilization has not already broken down. In my scenario, such people no longer exist. Who will want gold when they have no food or medicine?

Gold has no intrinsic value. It’s value is only determined by the number of people who are already well off enough to want jewelry. I suspect the demand for jewelry will drop off as civilization drops off. Demand for jewelry requires a highly functioning economy and a system for trade. Doomsday scenarios preclude both those elements.

keep the change on November 15, 2008 at 12:01 AM

BTW…..nice work mentioning ammo, water, gas, etc but make a list of what your neighbor will want (and need)….

Toilet paper, batteries, salt, sugar, coffee, peroxide, aspirin, socks, and on and on and on. A barter system could save your ass…….not that I think it will get that bad, but hey, what the hell.

Limerick on November 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM

An out of the box AR-15 is about $1200 bucks (right now).

I didn’t know they had went up that much. I’m full on AR-15s but am looking for a .308. Have you seen the sites that sell %80 percent lowers that can be finished yourself so they don’t get a serial number.

DFCtomm on November 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Peter Schiff nails the housing crisis on the head and the so called experts ridicule him for his views. I wonder if Ben Stine and the rest of these morons think they should apologize to this guy on air … Unfortunately he was soooo right. Amazing, Lock and load …

Badbrucskie on November 15, 2008 at 12:07 AM

Now is that really necessary? I was saving canibalism for last — but I can bump that up on the survival check list for you. *gimlet eye*

how lovely. kiss, kiss, you utter fool.

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 12:07 AM

DFCtomm on November 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM

No. The AR companies are currently offering the 7.62 NATO versions but the lower receivers are all classified as the ‘firearm’ and are thus subject to the FFL. You can only purchase a serial numbered lower receiver from a dealer with a FFL and that receiver MUST meet the non-auto standards set by that law. To bypass the law and obtain bolt, hammer, sear, and safety lever for full auto function subjects you to a $250,000 fine and 20 years in a Federal prison.

Full auto AR is overblown anyway. She has all the punch you need on semi-auto anyway.

Limerick on November 15, 2008 at 12:08 AM

The only people that will make it okay will be those in rural areas with well water, septic tanks, and treed property for a wood burning stove. Everybody else is dependent on the city to provide for them.

I have one word for you: Alaska. I don’t know about you peeps but I plan to relocate myself and my paranoia (along with my canned food, but no Spam) into the Talkeetna Mountains and write my Decameron. I just have to figger out how to make the Singulair last–break each one in half, maybe?

I reckon I can stock up on ammo and sell or barter as needed (like they used to do with cigarettes, I guess) and in the summer utilise the seeds I’ve been hoarding. (Don’t let the myths fool you! Our cabbages are the size of cars.) Those are just some details and it’ll be hard once I run out of chocolate, but I suppose I could make a Costco-sized bag of M & Ms last for awhile.

fireweednectar on November 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM

If I’m not mistaken. Ed wrote the “calm down” post. Allah wrote this one. Not the same person.

terryannonline on November 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Yep. Ed is the fall-in-line-behind-the-party guy and AP is the pessimistic beta-male thread-count whore. LOL!

Seriously though, I’m just kidding around. I respect both of them or else I wouldn’t be here.

FloatingRock on November 15, 2008 at 12:12 AM

Oh yeah I forgot to say I need nine more people.

fireweednectar on November 15, 2008 at 12:13 AM

Maple Leaf bullion coins or Credit Suisse 1 oz. gold bars- both 999.9 pure (unlike the 91.67 % U.S. gold Eagle coins) are worth a look

Maples and Eagles both contain the same amount of gold. The Eagle is a bigger coin – it has added metals to keep it from scratching as easily as the Maples do.

A lot of collectors like the Eagles simply because they feel it is a prettier coin.

angelat0763 on November 15, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Who will want gold when they have no food or medicine?

People who have food and medicine will want gold. Historically gold has been recognized as widely accepted and international currency.

Also, it’s easier to leave a country with gold in your private parts than a years worth of rations.

But I wouldn’t buy it with a credit card or online. The government confiscated it once, they’ll come for it again.

angelat0763 on November 15, 2008 at 12:18 AM

I’ve been rather obsessed with this subject for a few months now. It’s amazing to watch the change in attitude here and over at FR.

People used to just laugh their heads off when someone said things were going to hell, for real this time.

One guy that seems to have a lot of good advice is “visionvictory” over at youtube.

Dorvillian on November 15, 2008 at 12:18 AM

Holy crap, ever since the election, people on this board seem to have lost their ever-lovin’ minds. I’m all for being prepared. But to assume that we are about to enter some sort of mad max scenario is just silly. The US has massive debt. Guess what? So does every other industrialized nation. And they’re all dependent on us. If everything goes to hell, rest assured that the US is by far in the best position to weather the storm and come out once again as the leader. Even if we default on our debt, yeah, things will suck for a while, but there’s not really a lot anybody can do about it. every other country is still dependent on us for their livelihood.

bilups on November 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM

Keep the Change – if you look at history, before paper money, gold & silver was used to buy goods and services. I have gold coins. It’s the same thing as money and this was how it was used for hundreds of years until paper money became our currency. Also, my husband sold all his stock once Pelosi & Reid were voted into Congress because he knew they were bad news.

corvettelady on November 15, 2008 at 12:21 AM

I talked seriously with my husband tonight about opening a pawn shop. There isn’t one in my town and I have a feeling it could be a very good business to be in for the next few years.

rockmom on November 15, 2008 at 12:22 AM

Time to start oiling up my weapon, and prepping to defend myself. Perhaps a move to Australia is in order?

leetpriest on November 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Firearms were confiscated there years ago. Stick around. Should be an adventure getting through this mess.

AZ_Redneck on November 15, 2008 at 12:27 AM

bilups on November 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM

You misread the intent. It isn’t that things will go bad, it is that they might. Preparedness is what kept us out of a shooting war with the Warsaw Pact. We are just acting on the same principle. It isn’t a threat of violence that has some of us looking outside the box, it is the potential of violence that has some of us hedging our bets. To each their own. Me, well, I’ll take the insurance and hope I don’t need it.

Limerick on November 15, 2008 at 12:29 AM

angelato0763 – you are correct in your statement on the history of gold as currency. Our govt. did confiscate gold by FDR in 1933 and it could happen again (hopefully I am wrong):
Under orders of the creditor (the Federal Reserve System and its private owners) on April 5, 1933 President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Presidential order 6102, which required all Americans to deliver all gold coins, gold bullion, and gold certificates to their local Federal Reserve Bank on or before April 28, 1933.
Any violators would be fined up to $10,000, imprisoned up to ten years, or both for knowingly violating this order. This gold was then offered by the Fed owners to any foreign, non-U.S. citizen, at $35.00 per ounce. Over the entire previous 100 years, gold had remained at a stable value, increasing only from $18.93 per ounce to $20.69 per ounce.

corvettelady on November 15, 2008 at 12:30 AM

I’m not saying that tough financial times aren’t ahead. I just find it alarmist to compare it to the Great Depression. The people who went through the Great Depression suffered a lot so to flippantly compare the current weak American economy to the 30s I think is inappropriate.

terryannonline on November 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Well I hope you’re right, but the Great Depression happened after the Industrial Revolution, which meant that we were producing things in this country.

Now we consume more than we make, we spend more than we earn, and our government pays people more than they contribute. No matter how Keynes tried to spin it, it couldn’t go on forever.

angelat0763 on November 15, 2008 at 12:34 AM

corvettelady,

yes, DH just turned me on to that historical nugget a few days ago. It isn’t too hard to imagine bank signs that read “All Safe Deposit Boxes May Only Be Opened In The Presence Of An IRS Agent.”

angelat0763 on November 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM

Oh yeah I forgot to say I need nine more people.

fireweednectar on November 15, 2008 at 12:13 AM

Love ya dear. but am going to issue a cyberslap. There!
Stop it. No more gloom, doom. As you said, if need be, squirrel/deer/muscrat(yuk)will feed my family (I’m a girl btw).
But no more, no more oh whoah is us! We are conservatives for goodness sakes! We’ll be fine. It will be tough, very, very tough, but we will survive, and then,
Sparky, we be kickin’ azz and taken’ names. So Gird yur frickin’ loins!

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM

Dynamite Joey. Notice that guy in one pic shaking her hand. Obviously Todd is away watching the kids while Sarah valiantly fights off propective rogues in the Sunshine State.

Go Arctic Fox, but don’t forget the block 40 stuff against the sun.

Sapwolf on November 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM

That guy is actually Charlie Crist … only his face is orange

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 12:38 AM

As you said, if need be, squirrel/deer/muscrat(yuk)will feed my family (I’m a girl btw).

Geese. I will gladly serve my family a goose every night for a year. Those darned things are everywhere.

angelat0763 on November 15, 2008 at 12:41 AM

And here we all sit with full bellies in our heated homes in front of our computing machines.

What exactly is a depression going to look like this time? One cell phone per family instead of five? Less obese people in line at Taco Bell? No more $40 movie outings and $150 baseball games?

Elizabetty on November 15, 2008 at 12:41 AM

That guy is actually Charlie Crist … only his face is orange

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 12:38 AM

And it’s far more likely that Todd would have to fight off that particular rogue.

angelat0763 on November 15, 2008 at 12:42 AM

s’cuse???

Chewy, did MR pass the torch?

Sapwolf on November 14, 2008 at 10:57 PM
That’s totally snarky? Right?

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM

No, not at all. I meant it as a compliment to someone who is optimistic and seems like a leader. We really could use your types around here. MR is a big loss.

I actually am somewhat optimistic. It may take some years, but conservatism is not dead in America.

Sapwolf on November 15, 2008 at 12:43 AM

Elizabetty on November 15, 2008 at 12:41 AM

Well, maybe. Then again, what would your neighborhood look like if the local markets had no bread, milk, eggs, or produce? There were no jobs to commute to?

Would you rather look at that closet you stuffed with goods, and never needed, in ten years and laugh, or would your rather look at the closet you should have stuffed with goods and cry?

Limerick on November 15, 2008 at 12:44 AM

Today we have have had it so good for so long, how would people react? A lot of the cities are borderline scary anyway. It wouldn’t take a whole lot to spiral out of control.
Homosexual terrorists gone wild over prop8 in the California
Wild fires burning in central California
Governor said California is broke
Good news Gun sales are up, the people don’t need a weatherman to know which way this wind will blow. Christmas shopping checkout ole Hans he does wonders with shotguns here’s his site
http://www.vangcomp.com

nowhiners on November 15, 2008 at 12:45 AM

What exactly is a depression going to look like this time? One cell phone per family instead of five? Less obese people in line at Taco Bell? No more $40 movie outings and $150 baseball games?

Or it could be a global collapse, leaving us with no phones, no internet and no power. I don’t think it will go that far, but I guess it could.

angelat0763 on November 15, 2008 at 12:45 AM

No. The AR companies are currently offering the 7.62 NATO versions but the lower receivers are all classified as the ‘firearm’ and are thus subject to the FFL. You can only purchase a serial numbered lower receiver from a dealer with a FFL and that receiver MUST meet the non-auto standards set by that law. To bypass the law and obtain bolt, hammer, sear, and safety lever for full auto function subjects you to a $250,000 fine and 20 years in a Federal prison.

Full auto AR is overblown anyway. She has all the punch you need on semi-auto anyway.

Limerick on November 15, 2008 at 12:08 AM

I’m not talking about how to go full auto the lower is a legal semi auto ar-15 lower that isn’t required to have a serial number because you buy it at less than %80 finished and then you finish it yourself.

DFCtomm on November 15, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Sapwolf on November 15, 2008 at 12:43 AM

That is with out a doubt the nicest complement I have ever had in my life. I mean that.
That’s why my question about being snarky, couldn’t believe you were serious.
I hope MR does come back. The posters that are in the know were saying yesterday that he’s going to be starting his own sight. I’ll be a first subscriber. (After all, I DID offer to have his puppies!)

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 12:49 AM

DFCtomm on November 15, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Again, no. The lower receiver (which is just a housing and stripped of ALL parts) IS the weapon and IS subject to the FFL restrictions. It MUST be serial numbered and recorded at the time of sale. The only lower receiver assemblies without such control and serial numbering are illegal and subject you to the same fines that I mentioned above.

Limerick on November 15, 2008 at 12:51 AM

angelato0763 – same here, DH got me started reading books on History, Economics, Finance, Philosphy back in 2000 and I’ve learned so much and there’s so much more to learn. If I could, I would be reading 18 hours a day-LOL!! Knowledge is power and this is what the masses are lacking unfortunately. Yeah, I got ill when I first read about the safety deposit box in presence of IRS agent – just unbelievable!

corvettelady on November 15, 2008 at 12:53 AM

I would like to see the guys who were laughing at Peter in the first clip now..

The guy with the english accent and the dirt head in a sport coat.. Let Peter Schiff get the last laugh on them..

DaveC on November 15, 2008 at 12:53 AM

every other country is still dependent on us for their livelihood.

bilups on November 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM

This is fallacious.
No orange trees in Orange County, Ca.
Other countries got by just fine without us (China, India) before recently, they still have the societal memory of hard times and getting by off of their land. We do not. We have entire generations who have no clue how to clean a fish or shoot a gun or even build a fire.
Add to that our inherent lack of health and fitness (overuse of antibiotics and medicines) and our diluted gene pool and many Americans are simply not equipped to survive mentally or physically.
The Depression worked out because most people still remembered what work was like, they could farm, hunt, travel.
Soon, people might not be able to pay their taxes. Then cities will be unable to provide services, police, fire, ambulance, 911. Lost jobs means lost revenue for cities that pick up garbage, get water to homes, see that electricity stays on. If you can’t pay and get cut off, then what?

TinMan13 on November 15, 2008 at 12:53 AM

I’ve already started my ‘Obama pantry’.

CP on November 15, 2008 at 12:56 AM

Nowbody knows for sure what is going to happen with our economy so it’s not a bad bet to stock up on some things you might need in case every thing goes south.
A cash stash about $1000 just in case your bank closes down and you can’t get any money out.
A month or two of canned or dry food ,buy now while it’s still fairly cheap.
Ammo for all the guns. I think if everything really gets bad ammo will be almost as valuable as cash
Some Silver coins. They will hold value better than greenbacks.
And last but not least, a good stash of whiskey.For me it will be Jack.I’m willing to bet that in case of a dire crisis booze will be as good as gold for barter or trade.
If you don’t want to trade it you can always sit on your front porch with a jug of Jack, your shotgun in your lap and watch the country go to hell.
And if the country does not go to hell and Obamamessiah saves us, you will probably save a lot of money because prices are going up on everything no matter what happens.
Don’t panic just prepare for for some of the worst times and hope it things won’t get as bad as you think they can.

jellybelly on November 15, 2008 at 12:58 AM

hate to burst your bubble, but do you really own gold or shares in an ETF that trades in gold? Big difference.
Just Saying. Sigh.

Chewy the Lab on November 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM

sorry mine is real… sold redundant copies of Action Comics 1, 2 and 3 to buy it :O)

brianpierre on November 15, 2008 at 12:58 AM

Lock and Load on History Channel. R. Lee Ermey or as we affectionately know him, Gunney. OORAH.

Sapwolf on November 15, 2008 at 1:01 AM

If you can’t pay and get cut off, then what?

TinMan13 on November 15, 2008 at 12:53 AM

sit by the pool?

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 1:01 AM

DFCtomm on November 15, 2008 at 12:47 AM

To give an idea of how the feds did this is that they took one essential part, the lower receiver, and declared it the weapon. The weapon consists of the flash suppressor, barrel, site post and gas plug, hand guards, barrel/chamber, upper receiver, bolt carrier group, lower receiver group, lower receiver, handle/rear sight, pistol grip and buttstock. You can purchase EVERYTHING except the lower receiver housing without going through the ATF/FBI check. But if you purchase that chunk of metal called the lower receiver it is the same as buying a fully assembled rifle.

Limerick on November 15, 2008 at 1:05 AM

Nowbody knows for sure what is going to happen with our economy so it’s not a bad bet to stock up on some things you might need in case every thing goes south.
jellybelly on November 15, 2008 at 12:58 AM

What can happen?
1. Buying guns, ammo, food triggers an economic uptick, staving off the worst, even by a sliver.
2. Buying guns, ammo, food triggers record prices leading to reduced sales and advancing the crush.

Projected: Near term increase in education, so those able to teach, especially in colleges are okay for a bit.
Near term increase in Military enlistment for security, leading to either a cut in other spending or an increase in taxes, hastening the crush.

Long term? Americans are still relatively capable. As unions break and wages drop, there could be an increase in investment in US manufacturing, leading to an increase in jobs with the requisite readjustment in standard of living.

At the end, a readjustment. How long? Depends on Government policy. If they think to tax to economic stability, forget what I said.

TinMan13 on November 15, 2008 at 1:06 AM

What? MR (Manly Rash) is gone? what happened?

Corvette Lady..

who is DH?

DaveC on November 15, 2008 at 1:06 AM

sit by the pool?

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 1:01 AM

It’ll be empty, amigo.

TinMan13 on November 15, 2008 at 1:07 AM

Awww, Chewy are you trying to keep me from engaging in my outdoor escape phantasy? You know, where I pick berries and bag a moose and wonder if my iPod will work up here in the mountains?

We are conservatives for goodness sakes! We’ll be fine. It will be tough, very, very tough, but we will survive, and then,Sparky, we be kickin’ azz and taken’ names. So Gird yur frickin’ loins!

I just added you to my HA list of people I wish were my neighbors.

fireweednectar on November 15, 2008 at 1:10 AM

Oh, and another thing: Guns and food are fine, but you can’t dress a squirrel or a pigeon with a barrel. Invest in a good knife or two.

TinMan13 on November 15, 2008 at 1:13 AM

TinMan13 on November 15, 2008 at 1:13 AM

Go all the way! Tar-tar!

Limerick on November 15, 2008 at 1:14 AM

A couple of years ago I started an emergency supply (because they’re also predicting The Big One is overdue in here) and I put the water in the back of my closet because I had no other place. I was going to move it but then had a strange thought about people in a pinch trying to steal it from me, so I left it hiding there.

Isn’t it weird how these ridiculous thoughts that come from God knows where can actually become real semi-possibilities?

(You didn’t hear me say that, Chewy.)

fireweednectar on November 15, 2008 at 1:14 AM

Very well said TinMan13:) The majority of Americans do not have the knowledge of how to survive in emergency situations. Many depend on our govt. for help which we know is a failure. Look at Katrina. There’s so much information out there, the internet, library, etc., to look up what materials, supplies, etc., needed in emergency situations. It’s not hard to do – stock up on food, water, toiletries, candles, firewood/kerosene heaters, etc., when no electricity is available, batteries, and so forth. This is also what people do in bad weather situations. People have to learn to be responsible to survive.

As for health & fitness, I agree there’s a huge overuse of antibiotics/prescriptions – which is a big money-making scam for FDA/pharma companies. Plus they are loaded with chemicals and very toxic – look at the many side effects and believe it or not, thousands of people die every year from prescription drugs. It’s OK short-term, but not long-term and you can make healthy lifestyle changes and exercise is a must. I also take vitamin/herbal supplements, into juicing whole foods, etc. All these processed foods today is what is causing high rates of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc. If you want to live a healthier lifestyle, it can be done, just one day at a time.

corvettelady on November 15, 2008 at 1:19 AM

Vsorry mine is real… sold redundant copies of Action Comics 1, 2 and 3 to buy it :O)

brianpierre on November 15, 2008 at 12:58 AM

Lucky you, my broker recommended I take some profits off the table months ago. I declined. I just hope my GE comes back, though most on this site want to boycott it, however, I got a crapload of that dog.

Chewy the Lab on November 15, 2008 at 1:20 AM

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