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posted at 9:21 pm on November 14, 2008 by Allahpundit

Two predictions, the first (amazingly) from former Ron Paul advisor Peter Schiff circa 2006-07, the second from Trends Research CEO Gerald Celente circa last week.

I plan on using my platform at HA in the coming months to organize the Order of the Hand, with me in the Will Ferrell role. Those who fear an apocalyptic Celente-esque recession are welcome to join me in the mountains. We shall subsist on corned beef and Jack, and worship as our goddess Rebecca Gomez.


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FloatingRock on November 16, 2008 at 9:10 PM

I fear the tone of your tirade is too harsh. This eschatological flame war has got to stop.

I’ve studied all the endtimw/second coming/millinnial/rapture scenarios. They all make sense to me, but I know hat they all can’t be right. I’m no stranger to Biblical exigesis and hermenuetics, and while I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, if I’ve yet been able to point to one eschatological belief as “this is the one,” I don’t see how people can be so dogmatic about it.

Yes, I know you (generically) have prayed about it, and this is what God has showed you. I’ve talked to all persuasions who have said the same thing.

And I am especially comcerned with those who link one’s salvation in adhering to one or the other system. That is just not so; one’s salvation does not depend on his or her end time view.

Just like those who wrongly assert that if you don’t hold to a literal understanding of the Biblical account of creation then you cannot be a Christian, one is mistaken, gravely so, if he or she holds that you have to believe in a particular view to be saved.

One criterion of salvation is to believe that God is Who He is and that His attributes are fixed. But when it comes to creation and the end of time, we need to recognize that God could have chosen to create and end time in a variety of ways. That He chose to do them “this way” and not “that way” does not reflect on his unchangeableness.

We need to exercise Christian charity in these arenas. That does not, of course, limit good natured kidding and argument. But if you don’t know the person with whom you discussing the issue, err on the side of charity.

davidk on November 16, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Apoc,

As far as my salvation: “My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus’ blood and righteousness. … I wholly lean on Jesus’ name. On Christ the solid rock I stand.”

As far as the bad stuff of the “Rapture” yet to come, check out what our borthers and sisters are going through right now: http://www.persecution.com/ Can’t get much worse than that.

davidk on November 16, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I agree with those who think that the whole country will come unglued when the economy hits critical mass and freefalls. I feel very sorry for those who are stuck in cities with families to take care of. My prayers go up for you.

Venusian Visitor on November 16, 2008 at 11:39 PM

True_King on November 16, 2008 at 8:05 PM

You’ve made some critical errors, TK. I’ll show you tomorrow. I’m tired right now. Thank you. Have a good night.

apacalyps on November 17, 2008 at 12:33 AM

I’ve been listening to Peter Schiff and reading his weekly commentary for a couple of years now. I wonder how foolish all of the financial “experts” feel for laughing at him.

SueM on November 17, 2008 at 8:16 AM

As for Celente, I think the end of a retail Christmas is a great thing. We’re a nation of gluttons. I don’t know about his other predictions. I think the United States is too strong for most of it to come true. But I guess we’ll see won’t we?

SueM on November 17, 2008 at 8:20 AM

{{{People running wild on the streets killing each other…gangs invading farms and houses and killing and raping everyone throughout the night…rich people hiring mercenary armies to patrol and defend their house..
This stuff really did happen after Argentina’s economic collapse a few years ago.
SaintOlaf on November 15, 2008 at 1:37 PM}}}

Typical fair for Latin countries. Venezuala is like that RIGHT NOW.

Goodeye_Closed on November 17, 2008 at 10:10 AM

As for the end times eschatology being discussed here, I will admit that is a tough and often misunderstood subject.

I do not know when armageddon will come. No one does, as Christ himself has said.

One thing that is quite obvious in the Bible but often overlooked is: who is the Israel of God?

According to the Bible, Israel of God is by FAITH not blood!

Christ himself said this very clearly…to deny this fact is foolishness.

The creation of the state of Israel and Zionism etc. has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything regarding the apocalypse!

We are the Israel of God! Christians, not the Hebrews…this is very clear in the Scriptures.

As for perspectives re. end times events…here is a video by Fr. Thomas Hopko explaining his take on these events.

It is a fascinating perspective that I have never heard before. I highly encourage you all to watch this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5932925362367103900

SaintOlaf on November 17, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Atheists, drug users, ilegal aliens, criminals, idiots, ignorants, homosexuals, pro-abortionists, islamic terrorists, US haters, communists, socialists, losers, black racists, constitute the bulk of Obama’s backers; did I leave any group out? America deserves what’s coming for having a materialistic society that only cares about ecnomics, nice cars, nice houses, money, vacation, drugs and free sex.

tocoloro on November 17, 2008 at 1:08 PM

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Clouds is a figure of speech, easily proven here:

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

True_King on November 16, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Sorry TK.. although your handle may be True_King, there’s not much truth in what you’ve said, okay. The passages you list say two different things. You have taken the words and Scripture completely out of context. And when we take Scripture out of context we then lose the meaning of what was actually being said (a common practice used by those who try to debunk the rapture). For example. Let’s examine 1 Thessalonians 4:17. You left out the verses that come before and after it. I’ll post the other verses with comments in between to help you understand what they mean. I also put some key words in bold text with an explanation below too:

Scripture Concerning the Dead in Christ and the Rapture “The dead in Christ” refers to those Christians who died prior to the coming of the Lord.

“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren (Christian brother), concerning them which are asleep (asleep means Christians who have already died and are in the grave), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep (Christians in the grave) in Jesus will God bring with him (bring with him to heaven. When Christians die, our souls immediately go to be with God in Heaven. Our bodies remain in the grave. The Lord will unite our bodies with our souls in heaven). For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain (Christians alive on earth) unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep (Christians in the grave). For the Lord himself (Jesus) shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ (Christians in the grave) shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain (Christians alive on earth) shall be caught up (“caught up” means “raptured”) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

That’s the whole Scripture, okay. Now, here’s an explanation of some key words and phrases.

4:13 asleep. Death for a Christian is considered as merely being asleep (Read all of John 11:11-14). The sleep applies only to the body though as our soul and spirit go to be with the Lord. Departed Christians are (it seems) blissfully waiting with Christ in Paradise. That is, our souls go to heaven – our bodies remain in the grave. Same thing for Christian’s who lived and died in past years like 200, 900, 1700, 1900, 1985, etc. Their souls went to heaven – their bodies remained in the grave. A good example is when Jesus said to the thief on the cross who repented, “Verily (truthfully) I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). That repented thief’s soul immediately transferred into heaven after he died. Our souls go to be with Christ. Our body remains in the grave waiting to be reunited.

4:14 them who sleep in Jesus. Believers are often said to be “in Christ,” but never “in Jesus”. Our “sleep” is made only through the real death of the human Jesus. Because He died, we only sleep, awaiting His return. That is, the believers death is only physical, kind of like the dream state when the body lies in bed while our soul and spirit are very conscious and active. The Christians who have died and are waiting in the grave “will God bring with him” when Christ returns.

4:15 we. This is very significant as it indicates to us that very early on in Paul’s ministry he considered it very likely that he himself would be living when Christ returned. “We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord”, he said. This divinely inspired conviction proves that the rapture has always been imminent. They have always believed it could happen even in the apostle Paul’s day. That’s why Jesus urged His disciples to watch and be ready for His return (Matthew 24:42-44).

4:16 shout. The “shout” is like a military command. Jesus calls the saints raising the dead and rapturing into the air all His redeemed ones (Christians), whether living or sleeping.

4:17 caught up. Caught up” means “raptured” (Greek harpoza; same word in Acts 8:39, 2 Corinthians 12:2,4, and Revelation 12:5)

4:17 together with them. The dead in Christ, that is, those Christians sleeping in the grave will first be ressurected, their bodies will go to be with their souls and spirits in heaven, but made immortal. Then the Christians who are alive and living (that’s us), they also will be taken up to heaven and will likewise receive immortal, glorified bodies like that of the Lord Jesus Himself (Philippians 3:20-21 and 1 John 3:2). Both receive imperishable, glorified, bodies that will never more grow old, get sick, or die. See Scripture below describing this:

“Behold, I shew (show) you a mystery; We (Christians) shall not all sleep (remain in the grave), but we shall ALL BE CHANGED, In a moment, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, and WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED. For this corruptible must put on incorruption (we are given new bodies) and this MORTAL must put on IMMORTALITY (we are given immortality). So when this CORRUPTIBLE shall have PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this MORTAL shall have PUT ON IMMORTALITY, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.” 1 Corinthians 15:51-54

4:18 comfort. Comfort equals strengthen. We should comfort one another with this wonderful news.

There is much more, but as you can see, you have taken the words of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 completely out of context. Remember, the Bible says, “No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” in 2 Peter 1:20. You gotta check all the verses together before you get a doctrine, alright.

Jesus said, “I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” Luke 17:34-36

I hope that this helps in some way. May the Lord bless us in our searching and our questions. Thank you.

apacalyps on November 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Oh, and PS, I apologize for the excessive length of my post, but there was a lot to sort out. Thank you.

apacalyps on November 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM

One criterion of salvation is to…

There are no criterions. That’s why it’s called salvation.

kcewa on November 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I mean criteria.

kcewa on November 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Peter Schiff caught my attention on Fox because he was the only guy willing to talk doom and gloom. I caught myself speaking to the TV telling him to shut up at times, but at the same time his words did make sense. The more I listened, the more I heard him having real explanations as to why he said what he was saying. Everyone else just went rah-rah-rah along with the the crowd.

BVM on November 17, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Whoa, this thread has taken quite a religious tone.

Does the Bible really mention the deflationary depression of ’09?

Dorvillian on November 17, 2008 at 11:05 PM

I do not know when armageddon will come. No one does, as Christ himself has said.

SaintOlaf on November 17, 2008 at 12:02 PM

SaintO, you’re right that we don’t know the date of Armageddon, just like we don’t know the day or hour of the rapture, however, the Bible does gives us signs to look for, and a general outline for future events. Believe it or not, the entire end-times scenario revolves around the existence of a Jewish state and the global effort to annihilate it. Israel is prophesied to become an intolerable problem that people will think must be eliminated before there can be peace in the world. Here’s what we know from Scripture. The moment the Antichrist signs the 7 year peace treaty between Israel and it’s enemies is when the 7 year tribulation begins. It lasts for 7 years. Armageddon comes at the end of the 7 year tribulation period. We know this because that is when God Himself, Jesus Christ comes and defeats the armies of the Antichrist (at Armageddon, called the Second Coming of Christ) and establishes His kingdom here on earth for 1000 years (the Millennial Kingdom). Here’s a brief glimpse into the future:

In preparation for Christ’s return, God will lead all nations against Jerusalem in order to (attempt to) destroy it:

“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling.. And in that day (end times) will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH BE GATHERED TOGETHER AGAINST IT.” Zechariah 12:2-3

Actually, what the nations won’t know is that God will allow the Antichrist to deceive the arrogant world leaders into thinking that destroying Jerusalem will allow them to take control of the world! We are told that demonic spirits will be sent out to the kings of the earth to deceive them:

“For they are the spirits of devils (or demonic spirits), working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather (or assemble) them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty (Armageddon).” Revelation 16:14

God told the Prophet Joel,

“I will also gather ALL nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat (Armageddon).” Joel 3:2

Later in that same chapter God says,

“Assemble yourselves (all nations), and come, all ye heathen (unbelievers), and gather yourselves together.. Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen.. for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision (Armageddon).” Joel 3:11-14

“And he (God) gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.” Revelation 16:16

Here is that famous phrase Armageddon in prophecy. To many people, the name conjures up pictures of the worst war ever. But notice above the passage refers to Armageddon as a place, not an event. Armageddon just means Megiddo. So what and where is Megiddo? It is a huge plain in the Jewish nation, about 60 miles north of Jerusalem, ideal for amassing armies. The armies of the world will, in fact, gather there to fight. But, here’s the good news. Just when it looks hopeless for Israel, Jesus will destroy those gathered at Armageddon. Zechariah 14:3-4 plainly states that Christ will destroy earth’s hate-filled armies when He returns and stands upon the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem:

“Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east.” Zechariah 14:3-4

Afterwards He will set up His Kingdom on earth. There’s much more, but for brevity’s sake I’ll stop there. I hope this helps a little understanding what lies ahead. We don’t know the date of Armageddon, but we are not blind either regarding it’s arrival. May the Lord continue to bless you and use you for His glory.

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 1:18 AM

One criterion of salvation is to…
There are no criteri[a]. That’s why it’s called salvation.

kcewa on November 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Salvation is, as you surely know, by faith and not by works. Ergo, faith is not a work.

The Bible gives two criteria for salvation:

Rom 10:8-10
8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart” — that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
NASU

You must have faith and confess Jesus as Lord. Which really amounts to the same thing: believing that God is What and Who He is.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Whoa, this thread has taken quite a religious tone.

Does the Bible really mention the deflationary depression of ‘09?

Dorvillian on November 17, 2008 at 11:05 PM

No. But it does say that if a nation does not honor God, He will send judgement on it, and it won’t be pretty.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 10:37 AM

America deserves what’s coming for having a materialistic society that only cares about ecnomics, nice cars, nice houses, money, vacation, drugs and free sex.

tocoloro on November 17, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Ding, ding, ding.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 10:41 AM

SaintOlaf on November 17, 2008 at 12:02 PM

I have to agree with you here, because:

Gal 3:26-29
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
NASU

Also, my parents were married on the day Israel became a State, May 15, 1949. They had five children; the oldest will be 60 next June.

If, as some have conjectured, the “second coming” will be within one generation of 05/15/1949, time is running out.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 10:50 AM

You must have faith and confess Jesus as Lord. Which really amounts to the same thing: believing that God is What and Who He is.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 9:40 AM

David’s correct. We are saved by GRACE ONLY, but to receive that free gift of salvation we must repent and do what God says. It’s not enough to just believe in God. The Bible says, “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble” (James 2:19). The demons believe in God. Satan believes in God. Anyone can believe in God. Many unbelievers say, “I believe in God,” or “I believe in Jesus,” or perhaps some might say, “I prayed a prayer and the preacher said I was saved.” That was me for many years. I thought I was saved, but there had not been a true conversion in my life. With true salvation comes genuine repentance and real life change.You have to do what God says. Now do you know how to partake in that gift of salvation? Do you know what you should do? Well, if you were on a plane and you knew you had to jump and there was a parachute under the seat, what would you do? Put it on. You wouldn’t just believe in it would you, you’d put it on. That’s exactly what you have to do with Jesus. The Bible says “put on the Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 13:11-14). You gotta repent. That is turn from your sins once and for all, and put your faith in Jesus the same way you put your trust in a parachute. The moment you do that the Bible says you’ll pass from death to life. You’ll come out of darkness into light, and you receive God’s gift of everlasting life.

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 12:43 PM

If, as some have conjectured, the “second coming” will be within one generation of 05/15/1949, time is running out.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Yeah, a generation according to the Bible is about 70-80 years. I believe you can get a rough idea based on that when Christ could return. I’ll post something a little later today. But, I go by May 14, 1948. It was midnight on May 14, 1948 (6 pm in Washington) that the British gve up control of the land of Israel. One minute later, the Jewish leader David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the establishment of a new state. Thank you.

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 12:51 PM

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 12:43 PM

When Paul writes that salvation is by fatih and not by works, he is referring to the position to which we attain, and only by faith do we attain that position. God imputes his righteouness to us and we are reckoned perfectly righteous.

When James writes that we are not saved by faith alone but by works, he is referring to our experience. If we are not exhibiting good works and claim to be saved, our testimony is empty. We should be consistently growing up into the full stature of Jesus Christ. This progression is called sanctification.

A more technical way of putting it: Paul is speaking ontologically, and James is experientially.

That is, our souls go to heaven – our bodies remain in the grave.

apacalyps on November 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM

And CSI appreciates that.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM

But, I go by May 14, 1948. It was midnight on May 14, 1948 (6 pm in Washington) that the British gve up control of the land of Israel. One minute later, the Jewish leader David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the establishment of a new state. Thank you.

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 12:51 PM

I misspoke. My parents were married May 15, 1948.

Since, as I’ve said, I lean toward Partial Preterism, the dates have little significance to me (except as my parents’ anniversary), so I don’t know if any millenialists would make much of this:

On May 14, 1948, the state of Israel was declared in the Tel Aviv Museum.

. . .

The new state-in-the-making had no name until May 15.

The Jerusalem government issued stamps showing the territory mandated to the Jewish state under the UN Partition Plan, and bearing the inscription “State of the Jews” – Medinat Hayehudim.

(Bolding mine)

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

*still scanning*

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 4:07 PM

If we are not exhibiting good works and claim to be saved, our testimony is empty.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Correct. And that was my point. A true Christian cannot remain carnal for an entire lifetime. Jesus said, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits (by what they do and say).” If somebody’s swearing all the time and having premarital sex left and right it’s unlikely that that person has been converted. 2 Corinthians 5:17 tells us that when we are in Christ, we are a “new creation.” If you are truly saved then it will be known by your works – the things you do. Paul says, “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves” (2 Corinthians 13:5). That’s very good advice. Here. This is a short video on the subject even though it sounds to me like you understand it quite well. Thank you.

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 5:24 PM

I misspoke. My parents were married May 15, 1948.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

No worries. As I mentioned, I go by May 14, 1948, as the day Israel became a nation again (for the first time after 2500 years). This was the date the British gave up the land they were in charge of since the First World War under a mandate from the old League of Nations. Within 24hrs of that Israel declared its independence, and its independence was acknowledged by other nations. The state of Israel was literally born in a single day! Fulfilling yet another prophecy when the prophet Isaiah spoke of Israel being reborn in one day:

“Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion (Israel) travailed (is in labor), she brought forth her children (she gives birth to her children).” Isaiah 66:7-8

God had promised that the impossible would happen.

‘For I will take you (Jews) from among the nations and gather you out of all lands, and will gather you into your own land’. Ezekiel 36:24.

And it happened!!

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 5:34 PM

And CSI appreciates that.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM

CSI as in?

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Crime Scene Investigation.

If the body went to be with the Lord, they wouldn’t have anything to do autopsies or run Dna tests on.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Zombie America.

What a disgrace.

SaintOlaf on November 18, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Mass apostasty is the next thing that will happen.

Probably after America is destroyed and becomes a muslim nation.

SaintOlaf on November 18, 2008 at 7:20 PM

apacalyps,

Have you read Starlight and Time by Dr. D. Russell Humphreys?

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Okay, here is my guesstimation on the rapture and when the good Lord Jesus could return. This is based on the Bible prophecies that have already been fulfilled, and because God has not kept Christians in darkness but has revealed His perfect plan and purpose to us (1 Thessalonians 5:1-6).

Okay. Here we go. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus for signs of the last days and His return:

“And as he (Jesus) sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Matthew 24:1

Jesus gave them a list of general signs (a rise in natural disasters, false christs, wars & rumours of war, etc) in verses 4 to 31, but in verse 32 He says something different. With this simple warning He said:

“Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” Matthew 24:32-34

Jesus tells them to learn the parable (or a lesson) of the fig tree. He says when its branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. In other words, His return is near. He is using the budding of the fig tree to illustrate a point about His second coming.

So our next question is what is the meaning contained in the parable of the fig tree? Who is the fig tree? Because when we see it (the fig tree is a symbol of something) we would know that certain things are near. Well, I believe the fig tree symbolizes Israel. And when his branch is yet tender, means that Israel became a country again. The reblossoming of the fig tree started in 1948 when the nation of Israel was re-established. I believe this because throughout the Bible the fig tree is figuratively used as a symbol for the nation of Israel. With that in mind, let’s look at Jesus’ parable of the fig tree again:

“Now learn a parable (or lesson) of the fig tree (Israel); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (when Israeli comes forth, springs to life), ye know that summer is nigh (you know that certain things are near): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, (like rebirth of Israel, and the list of things that Jesus gives in the previous verses) know that (or recognize) it is near, (Christ’s return is near) even at the doors. Verily I say unto you (the truth), this generation shall not pass (away), till all these things be fulfilled (or happen).” Matthew 24:32-34

What “generation shall not pass”? This one, the one that we are living in, the one that started in 1948. The generation of the fig tree began on May 14, 1948 when Israel once again became a nation. That is, this generation will not have completely died away until all these things have taken place (“all these things” meaning the Rapture, Battle of Armageddon, the return of Jesus Christ, etc!). All these things will happen during the period of this generation. And according to Psalm 90:10 a normal lifespan (that is, a generation) is approx. 70-80 years — it says an average lifespan is usually 70 years, and occasionally in the range of 80, if one were in good health.

So, based on this (and other prophecies not listed here) my rough estimation for the rapture and the return of Christ is as follows: (Note: The Second coming of Christ occurs at least 7 years after the rapture. Jesus will rapture His church before the tribulation period begins):

1948 + 70 years = 2018. (a rough estimation according to a generation of 70 years)

Or if a generations stretches to 80 years,

1948 + 80 years = 2028. (a rough estimation according to a generation of 80 years)

That’s my guess.

The Bible says, “When the Lord builds up Zion (Israel), He shall appear in His glory.” Psalms 102:16

He did that in 1948 with the establishment of Israel as a nation. Now, we wait for His other promises. I believe that soon and very soon, we will see this day come. Come now Lord Jesus.

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Crime Scene Investigation. If the body went to be with the Lord, they wouldn’t have anything to do autopsies or run Dna tests on.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Yes, sir. That’s right (smiles).

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 7:41 PM

apacalyps,

Have you read Starlight and Time by Dr. D. Russell Humphreys?

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 7:24 PM

No, I haven’t. Currently, I have 5 or 6 books waiting to be read as it is… lol… a friend just gave me another one last week. Who knows if I’ll ever get to it. I wish I had the time and the energy. What is it about?

apacalyps on November 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Going to bed. I’ll talk about it tomorrow, here.

davidk on November 18, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Humphreys starts with a different presupposition than most scientists (I don’t remember which it is–it’s been a few years since I’ve read it, and I loaned it out and never got it back.)

His beginning presupposition leads him to posit white holes instead of black holes, which can explain how the distant stars can be so amny light-years away in a young universe.

Starlight and Time is on my next to buy list. I guess I’m a bit like you on the reading list, and I usually have three or four or more books going at one time.

davidk on November 19, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Found a video. Haven’t watched it yet,tho.

http://www.nwcreation.net/videos/starlight_and_time.html

davidk on November 19, 2008 at 8:56 PM

His beginning presupposition leads him to posit white holes instead of black holes, which can explain how the distant stars can be so many light-years away in a young universe.

davidk on November 19, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Interesting. Yep. Those stars are very far away, there’s no question… I believe about 6,000 years ago God created the heavens and the earth. In doing so He created a full grown universe. The Lord said, “I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded” (Isaiah 45:12). The stars are many light-years away, but they are are not billions of years old. Not saying you said they were, just stating my position. The God that I worship is able to make a full-grown man, in a full grown garden, and full grown universe.

Found a video. Haven’t watched it yet,tho.
http://www.nwcreation.net/videos/starlight_and_time.html

davidk on November 19, 2008 at 8:56 PM

That is an excellent website you posted! There are alot of great videos there available to watch. Nice chatting with you David. We may disagree a little on the end times, but none of that effects a persons salvation. From our brief chat I get the sense you are trying to be a good Christian. Cheers.

apacalyps on November 19, 2008 at 10:05 PM

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