Want to be Equal?
Then be equal…

Man + Woman = Marriage

Man + Man ≠ Marriage
Woman + Woman ≠ Marriage

Any questions?

Well, fine. Let them marry, and never mind the will of the people or state’s rights. And enjoy the marriage penalty tax, alimony and child support when the marriage is no longer convenient or politically expedient.

But how about, in return, the crazies learn to live like human beings and forego freak-fests like the Folsom Street Fair? Dare to dream.

Grease the skids. This slope is not slippery enough yet.

Cindy Munford on November 16, 2008 at 9:11 PM

*standing, cheering APPLAUSE*

ronsfi on November 16, 2008 at 6:53 PM

If you prefer, and you like baseball, Logic, and a time when you could be gay without being homosexual…

..how about some humor done with class, without crass, and still, one of the all time great comedy routines?

I like to watch this when I forget just how funny, funny can be…

Saltysam on November 16, 2008 at 7:02 PM

That’s a re-enactment of a discussion with ronsfi.

If you prefer, and you like baseball, Logic, and a time when you could be gay without being homosexual…

..how about some humor done with class, without crass, and still, one of the all time great comedy routines?

I like to watch this when I forget just how funny, funny can be…

ronsfi on November 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM

you have to project your ego and give a sense of self satisfied superiority

Meh.

I like this:

“People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish ulterior motives; Be kind anyway. If you are successful, you will win some false friends and true enemies; Succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; Be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; Build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous; Be happy anyway. The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough; Give the world the best you’ve got anyway. You see, in the fianl analysis, it is between you and God; It was never about them anyway.”

Mother Theresa

I, perhaps, was too insensitive to recognize that you were having a bad day, (?) week (?) year(?).

We’re just talkin’…ya know?

Saltysam on November 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Meh pity has been done. Doesn’t quite cut it because it comes of as desperation and just seems pathetic. No you have to project your ego and give a sense of self satisfied superiority while at the same time reducing your opponent to a quivering snot bubble of cross eyed clenched fisted rage. Closer though. You definitely have the right attitude.

My heart goes out to you.

I hope you have people around that you can love.

Saltysam on November 16, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Hey you’re getting into the spirit of thing. OK. Keep working on it. You see the point of the Flame War is to craft a comment so incisive, so brutally psychologically penetrating, so hurtful and devastating that the your opponent if forced to put a bullet in his brain. Good luck!

Cindy Munford on November 16, 2008 at 5:35 PM

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Yeah I was a scout and I find that ridiculous also. The whole intolerance in the name of tolerance. But I think we are taking the argument beyond the marriage issue. These things can be haggled out between us. I am not even saying that we should allow homosexual marriage agreements but just that given the current social structure how can it be outlawed?
We would have to say we deem homosexuality immoral like polygamy and incest in order to sanction it so. If we are not going to do so then we cannot deny these contractual arrangements. Unless we can…I mean go ahead convince me. I just don’t see it.

Salty…I’m devastated I assure you.

ronsfi on November 16, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Chin up, ronsfi. Maybe someday, you’ll get past watching yourself, and actually engage with others.

Tomorrow is another day.

ronsfi on November 16, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Okay, forget taxes I might even agree with you on that one, but how about all of the former “public” buildings that can no longer be RENTED by the Boy Scots because of their decision not to allow gays as scout masters? I know those seem like stupid things but they happen everyday.

ronsfi on November 16, 2008 at 5:11 PM

If “bothered” is the correct term for what I am, I guess I am just a traditionalist. I hope you are against all licenses that are required by the government. Or is this the only one you believe to be issued in a discriminatory way? I guess if you blog long enough one day something you hold dear will be questioned also.

Dodge.

Dodge.

Change Subject.

Dodge.

Dodge Again…

Saltysam? ZZZZzzzzzzzzz.

Cindy Munford on November 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM Saltysam on November 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Once again. It is not about the ceremony it’s about the License. Remember filling that out at the court house the day before the Chapel Ceremony? Gays can already be married in a church ceremony. That is not at issue. What they can’t do is share the same privileges of a LEGAL marriage contract with the person of their own choosing as you or can. I really don’t understand why it bothers you so.

Only the undaunted and truthful would dare answer such a towering rhetorical question.

Cindy Munford on November 16, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Honestly I don’t see why they are exempt in the first place but if they measure their principals on their tax status then what is the reason for their existence? I don’t see how government can dictate religious ideology. So what if they pay taxes. They invest their money just like any other concern why not pay taxes on those….prophets…heh.

I think like many you confuse the two. All we are concerned with is the legal definition.

ronsfi on November 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM

LOL!!!

For the last 326 comments (slight exaggeration), all I’ve BEEN discussing is legal definition.

Geesh!

Kjeil on November 16, 2008 at 4:42 PM

The very definition of irony and probably not the first or last to be faced by our future president.