Quotes of the day
posted at 10:00 pm on November 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
“The tall, frail Christoffersen stood in the center of the group. She appeared to be shaking during her prepared remarks which lasted about 3 minutes. Two young female family members flanked her to prevent her from fainting, according to a restaurant employee. At several points during her speech, Christoffersen simply became too emotional to continue.”
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No kidding.
Standing for what you believe in isn’t easy. But progressives specializing spinning conviction into guilt (for others of course).
Spirit of 1776 on November 14, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Same tactics as Nazi Germany…
DL13 on November 14, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Duh. H8 = 8. I saw signs in spanish with it and couldn’t figure out what they were protesting. Probably not good for their side.
I say, let’s escalate it: Counter demonstrators in front of the Mormon Temple with signs – MMM.
Blake on November 14, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I’m tire. H8 = hate.
Blake on November 14, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Careful with those references to Nazi Germany. We don’t want to appear to have a disapproved “derangement syndrome.”
By the way, with all of the activity that the president-elect has been up to, and given the powers of healing his mere voice possesses, why no statement by O! asking for calm and tolerance?
Just askin’.
Y-not on November 14, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Peace, love, Bangladesh.
artist on November 14, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Hate Crime. That’s Queer!
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 10:11 PM
When they start protesting in front of black churches and mosques I’ll take their passion for marriage more seriously.
SouthernGent on November 14, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Thanks CBS for giving the hundred or so viewers the website. WTF?
This smells like the Illegal Alien rallies in L.A. where illegals were trying to burn the American flag, couldn’t light it, so they stomped on it.
The voters spoke. Get over it or move to MA or CT, you can get your groove on there! Sheesh.
HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Yeah, so far there have gone no further than a five minute walk from the gay bars.
Blake on November 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM
I’m really struggling here on this. My libertarian side wants me to remember that liberty is the cornerstone of our society. The state will abuse and misuse the powers we give it (since, after all, the state is run by flawed humans).
But my conservative/traditionalist side is suggesting to me that there’s a reason why the West has treated homosexuality harshly. And it’s not just religiously based (Leviticus and all that). All that could be wrong; but I can’t just dismiss it out of hand.
Individual freedom – liberty versus tradition and history.
I’m not saying – emphatically not – that gay people should be locked up or imprisoned. No, no, no…
SteveMG on November 14, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Dirty Harry at DHP has discussed “Passioning”, the ranting when The Passion of the Christ came out, intended to intimdate anybody else from trying to make such a film. This Prop 8 brownshirt stuff is just the same.
For those confused, these protests are not about changing minds to win support, they are about exposing their enemies and pre-empting potential opponents through fear.
There will be a backlash
billypaintbrush on November 14, 2008 at 10:14 PM
This is so not right. They best not overturn this law again. Us straight people will raise hell.
sheebe on November 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
sherry on November 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM
And while we’re at it, “hey you raging idiots, we want the rainbow back!” When I was a kid the rainbow was a cute kid thing, up there with ponies, flowers, candy, etc. If the rainbow is meant to symbolize tolerance, I suggest you give it a chance, or give the rainbow BACK!
cannonball on November 14, 2008 at 10:16 PM
I wonder what the Rev. Wright or Jackson or Farrakhan are thinking?
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 10:16 PM
FIF – Oh Snap!
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Sunday. Keep your eyes open. The nation will be unprepared for what will be unleashed in the coming days.
nitzsche on November 14, 2008 at 10:21 PM
So,this is kinda like the Liberals
wanting to know how you voted in your
union,so you can be labeled,targeted,
harassed and blackballed in the same
manner as the ever compassionate’bleeding
heart liberals want to do to anyone who was
against,or contributed to stop ‘prop 8′!!
And yet,the Lefty Marxist Socialist Media(MSM)
paints the Lefty Americans as the ones in touch
with reality and are the so-called ‘Normal Americans’!
Each and every day it seems that Liberal America
continues to out do itself!!!
Absoluetly Fabulous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on November 14, 2008 at 10:21 PM
This was in my mailbox on one of the gay sites I’m a member of.
Gird your loins.
SouthernGent on November 14, 2008 at 10:24 PM
You should thoroughly wash your loins too.
nitzsche on November 14, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Oh, you are feeling that alcohol, Kini……What are Wright, Jackson, and Farrakhan thinking….
Racist, hate America, racist, hate America, racist, hate America, racist, hate America, wonder how long it will take to get these reparations going, racist, hate America….
HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 10:27 PM
I posted this on the other thread about these marches and now the “black list” that the left is suppose to be against, unless it serves their purpose. I stand by it.
I still want to know why I have to be privy to ANYONE’S sexual orientation. How can I discriminate against gays if I don’t know they are gay? Make whatever legal contracts you need to make to be financially and institutionally bound to protect each other, it’s fine. This is not about discrimination it is about setting the gay community up as a beleaguered political minority thereby being given special treatment that will escalate into more “thought” control laws. No one wants to hurt gays, but they won’t be happy until we are not only forced to accept but glorify their life and I shouldn’t even know about their lives. Gays or straight, what happened to manners and privacy?
Cindy Munford on November 14, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Oooh. I’m terrified.
How fabulous will it be?
JammieWearingFool on November 14, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Cracked me up!!!
Cindy Munford on November 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I don’t carelessly toss around Nazi comparisons, but c’mon, this, is, suppression at best! It’s ridiculous, you can’t donate, thus vote privately anymore, at least not without fear.?
My gosh! I was drawing rainbows with my 5 yr. old daughter today and thinking the exact same thing! Shame the rainbow has been symbolically usurped.
4shoes on November 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM
It will be full of colors you have never seen before and the brightness of the glitter will melt your face!
nitzsche on November 14, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Is this like Y2K only quicker?
Cindy Munford on November 14, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Remember,it’s okay to hate if you are a liberal because you
are “morally superior” to everyone else.
Liberals can wage war against a country that has not attacked us and is not an immanent threat (Bosnia/Kosovo)and they want to go into Darfur.
But taking out one of History’s worst genocidal terrorist dictators (Saddam) is a war crime.
Liberals can attack Church’s,parishioners,recruiting offices,people with different political views,Blacks,Hispanics,business’s,cars,even elderly people walking down the street.
All in the name of tolerance and freedom of speech.
The media cannot continue to sugar coat the hatred and bigotry of the far left any longer.
They are in power now and will expose themselves as the idiot bigots that they truly are.
When are these intellectuals going to start protesting against Obama.
Will they show up in numbers at his inauguration.
Will they call him the right wing religious nut that they
called Bush for daring to be a Christian:
HOPEFULS DIFFER AS THEY DEBATE GAY MARRIAGE
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/01/us/politics/01marriage.html?em
By PATRICK HEALY
Published: October 31, 2008
Several gay friends and wealthy gay donors to Senator Barack Obama have asked him over the years why, as a matter of logic and fairness, he opposes same-sex marriage even though he has condemned old miscegenation laws that would have barred his black father from marrying his white mother.
No the liberals won’t be in any Black or Hispanic neighborhoods spreading their hate just like you will never
see them mount a huge protest against Islamic terrorism.
It’s the church’s and the people who pray in them that are their real enemies.
The next four years are going to be a serious referendum on
the far left and the democratic party that is controlled by
them now.
“Hope and Change” is going to end up being the biggest con ever sold to the American people.
Baxter Greene on November 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Can you give us a hint at least what form it may take?
4shoes on November 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Here in Chicago, when the machine does not get full public support for their issues, PLAN B is always “expose and destroy”. Obama has gone on record as saying get in their faces and argue with them. Jesse Jackson has been doing this for years – threaten and boycott until the payoff comes.
Will Obama come out and condemn this type of protesting? I don’t think so.
sherry on November 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Oh, rip the shirt, how clashe!
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 10:34 PM
And they have definitely shown that “gay” sure doesn’t mean happy anymore.
TugboatPhil on November 14, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Thug tactics, the new American way? Majority rules? Not anymore….
Hog Wild on November 14, 2008 at 10:36 PM
The Gaystapo?
SAZMD on November 14, 2008 at 10:36 PM
PALAMINO!
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 10:37 PM
OK, first of all, could we reclaim rainbows? There’s nothing gay about a rainbow. Go find another icon … like waxed beans or something … no one likes waxed beans.
Ronnie on November 14, 2008 at 10:40 PM
How about Fruit Loops.
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Blacklist?
Shouldn’t that be a rainbow list?
Oppose redefining a fundamental, stabilizing aspect of human civilization to please a screaming minority?
Hater!
profitsbeard on November 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Hmmm are the protesting the President-Elect?
Jamson64 on November 14, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I’m thinking something in the form of… peacock feathers and pink boas maybe?
But seriously, I think last week they were not as organized and ended up at the wrong buildings at the wrong time.
Everyone just keep an eye out for each other Sunday morning. The LDS Church probably isn’t prepared to protect you from the mobs of protesters. Be wary, is all.
nitzsche on November 14, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I am good with the fruit loops.
Cindy Munford on November 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Wow these folks are tenacious! and they mean it…*sniff, blub*
Fortunata on November 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I use to defend homosexuals against bigotry all the time. Then, they mocked marriage.
Now, they’re the bigots.
Saltysam on November 14, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Go figure.
Saltysam on November 14, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Shirley, they don’t realize what they are asking by allowing marriage.
Least they experience the joy of divorce.
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 10:55 PM
They’re here, they’re queer, I am so totally f’in bored with them.
Gilda on November 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM
The tyranny of the minority is here.
jukin on November 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I urge everyone to contact Yelp and let them know that you plan to boycott their site until they remove the patently false and politically-motivated negative reviews of El Coyote. Here’s their contact info:
And the link to the on-line contact page.
Y-not on November 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
It’s called ‘blowback’. you inflict your religious bigotry on an oppressed minority and strip them of their rights then prepare for negative consequences.
Noneya on November 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
What a sorry excuse for democracy. They’ve set their “cause” back about 50 years. I’m guessing that if they’re successful, we can all meet up in from of 1600 Pennsylvania to express our unhappiness with the Presidential election?
anniekc on November 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Lots of non-Mormons, non-Christians, atheists, and agnostics voted for Prop 8. The opponents failed to make their case. Get over it.
Y-not on November 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Stand by to raise hell. It’s already looking like the California Supreme Court will invalidate Proposition 8.
paul006 on November 14, 2008 at 11:11 PM
“Oppressed minority”? I do hope you are kidding….Rights? Heh.
HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:11 PM
As a libertarian, I don’t give a hoot who gets married and if asked this question in a vacuum I would say – there should be no law preventing gays from getting married. As well as there shouldn’t be a law preventing a man marrying a horse or a car either.
At its core, marriage, as understood by most people, is a religious ceremony whereby two people are joined, recognized by the church, their friends and families. If two people want to call themselves married, who cares? The problem for us libertarians, as with most laws, is that we cannot get there from here. Because the state imposed itself on the definition of marriage, and wads of money (and make no mistake, this is what it boils down to) are exchanged based on the state’s recognition of a spouse (SS benefits specifically, but many other reasons as well) – then the state starts to care who is considered married. Because the state got involved in so many things that it shouldn’t have, libertarians have trouble supporting true individual liberty without looking like a retard – i.e. legalizing drugs. Sure I think drugs should be legal in a perfect world, but the way it is now, they cannot be because I would end up paying for junkies who O.D. and are treated in rehab or the E.R. So, outlawing gay marriage? Kill the leviathan and then I will say sure, who cares.
King of the Britons on November 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM
We had some Prop 8 demonstrators pop up in our church service tonight. They shouted stop the hate, then redecorated the church. It’s so much roomier, and the addition of mirrors makes it seem twice as big!
Nethicus on November 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Why can’t anyone ever say, “This is The United States of America and I made a donation to a political cause that I support. I will not apologize for it.”
That’s a business owner that I would go out of my way to support.
Shaking a business down for $10,000 because the owner made a $100 donation with her own money is ridiculous. That these owners are all caving in is even more ridiculous.
JadeNYU on November 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM
any gays threaten me or my family anywhere at any time as a result of the California vote…. I will react and it won’t be passive, I guarantee it. they want a fight, I’ll show them what a real fight looks like. If a faction can’t obey the will of the people , they have no business forcing there’s on the majority. this country was not fought for nor built upon the philosophy of minority rules, ever.
MNDavenotPC on November 14, 2008 at 11:18 PM
1) I had the same views on marriage before I became a Christian. Marriage is marriage
2) It’s a celebrated minority
3) They’re oppressing others
4) No one is depriving any man of his right to marry a woman
5) Prepare for legal consequences to your negative consequences
jgapinoy on November 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
The pro-homosexual lobby has never taken defeat quietly or peacefully.
Just ask the Boy Scouts (who are STILL enduring their wrath).
Religious_Zealot on November 14, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Question for you MNDavenotPC – What happens if the will of the people wanted to allow gay marriage. Would you be okay with that? What if the will of the people was to outlaw Christianity? Would you be for the will of the people then? I don’t ask to start a fight with you. I am just making the point that our country was actually founded on the principle that all people are endowed with the rights of life, liberty, and property and that the government was created to secure those rights operating under the guidelines of the U.S. Constitution and State Constitutions. And regardless of the will of the people, those rights cannot be violated by the majority or the government.
King of the Britons on November 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM
R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O.
capitalist piglet on November 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Proposition 8 is pro marriage, not anti gay.
Stop this illogical twisting of the facts.
Saltysam on November 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
This video is extremely disturbing and I believe it is telling of the violence to come. Content Warning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AOeSrLCD-U
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Prop 8 opponents…please give it a rest. You’re pooping in your own nest.
Mason on November 14, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Just wait until the unemployment riots start next year.
rockmom on November 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM
1) It’s called ‘terrorism’ when you violently attack people for engaging in their right to vote and have an opinion.
2) The only ‘bigotry’ occurring here is the bigotry from the ‘tolerance’ crowd who has shown yet again that they will forcefully demand from others what they themselves do not/will not practice (tolerance, love, peaceful protesting, etc.).
3) Please go back to civics class. Marriage is NOT a right and whatever specials rights, privileges and responsibilities CA gives married couples are ALSO given to those joined by ‘civil unions.’ Thus these dangerous idiots are not fighting for ‘rights’, but for a particular governmental label.
4) These nutjobs should be prepared for the ‘blowback’ of their ‘negative consequences.’ Of course, as long as they continue to pick on old ladies and one of the most pacifistic religions in the world (LDS), they won’t have to worry too much about retaliation. However, if they REALLY meant what they said, they would march in Watts instead of downtown San Fran. Or instead of attacking and disrupting LDS church services, they attempt to disrupt a black liberation church. Or instead of burning the book of mormon, they burn the koran on the steps of a mosque.
Religious_Zealot on November 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Gosh I miss the ’90s! I though the gay community was all like Will and Grace or Julia Robert’s friend in that movie with Cameron Diaz.
I guess that was just some more Hollywood propaganda.
The funny thing is…this is exactly the way abortion shoulda been handled. Let the states vote on it. The lefties would much rather engineer outcomes in friendly courts. Can’t always trust the people.
johnboy on November 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM
I’m sure some gays are outside your house right now, about to barge in and force you to gay marry! Quick- grab your guns!!
Noneya on November 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM
We already have an “Amnesty March” set for January 21, 2009 in Washington, DC. With 6.5% unemployment and more on the way, I think we need to send a message for the illegals to run for the border. Pronto.
HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Ahnuld is enemy #1. He had to tell the gay community to get active and to subvert the will of the people. I want to see these gay activists go to South Central and protest.
Blacks were what brought Prop 8 to pass.
2nd Obama should quell his pilgrims and tell them that the people have spoken and they should respect their vote. Obama is hiding like the coward that he is.
jencab on November 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Please inform us of what ‘rights’ where affected by Prop 8 (please cite in either the CA constitution or the US Constitution where marriage is specifically stated as a right).
After that, please compare and contrast the differences of rights, responsibilities and privileges afforded in CA to married couples and those joined by civil unions.
Religious_Zealot on November 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM
I really love how somebody having faith is “lunacy” to many lefties but a man sticking his junk into another man’s butt isn’t worth a a raised eyebrow on any level.
I just always laugh at that.
Metro on November 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM
I thought being gay was all about happy and tolerant and, and, and gay.
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 11:35 PM
do you really want gay men marrying women? on a related note is your daughter single?
Noneya on November 14, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Just watched the vid. There is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve the definition of marriage, and it’s sickening that supporters of this proposition are being made to feel apologetic for their views.
I saw a liberal talk show host’s blog today, where he was discussing this. Someone asked him what would prevent the definition of marriage from being further degraded, beyond two adult human beings. The answer? Why, to make sure the definition doesn’t change again, of course.
Huh?
How about not changing it in the first place?
There is no compelling reason for the gay community to demand this, and to be dissatisfied with simply having civil unions, except to attack another group – the religious. None that I’ve heard, anyway.
capitalist piglet on November 14, 2008 at 11:36 PM
If you are an oppressed minority based on your sexual preference, how would I know that? And I don’t need to know anyone’s sexual orientation. Get over yourself.
Cindy Munford on November 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Well, same sex/gay people can get married just about anywhere in this country. Or they can simply call themselves married.
The question is whether the state will recognize that marriage legally and extend the same benefits/privileges that an opposite sex married couple receive.
One doesn’t have a “right” to get married in the sense that the state is obligated to recognize that contract. If the state/government got out of the marriage business (no benefits, tax deductions, spousal visitation rights, et cetera) that wouldn’t mean one couldn’t get married. It would only mean that the state wouldn’t recognize that marriage for state purposes.
So, it seems to me the debate is not whether gay people have the “right” to get married. The issue is whether the state will extend the same benefits that opposite sex married couples have to same sex married couples.
SteveMG on November 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Oppressed minority?
In this country, if you’re gay, you have all the rights of any other American.
Who is acting like a bigot when a minority feels it has the “right” to change the legal definition of marriage?
Saltysam on November 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Interesting…
San Francisco once had a little group called the Commite for Vigilance…
It was a citizen group that got together because they say that the Government was not willing to combat crime.
Is it that time again?
Or, a time for the Sons of Liberty to reappear?
Romeo13 on November 14, 2008 at 11:39 PM
In CA, civil unions have the same rights/benefits as marriage.
Religious_Zealot on November 14, 2008 at 11:39 PM
I just cannot understand why or how personal contributions to political causes are public record.
It’s sheer lunacy and of no public value whatsoever.
You might as well publish which party someone voted for.
Disgusting
uptight on November 14, 2008 at 11:39 PM
is your eyebrow the only thing raising when you think of that? and just how often are you thinking about that?
Noneya on November 14, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Then, it’s all in a name. Geez.
HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:40 PM
A name that has strong religious underpinnings.
Considering that along with the fact that they are targeting churches…
…along with that little dustup with the old lady who dared, DARED I TELL YOU!!!, to bring a cross to a Prop-8 protest rally…
…and it’s hard to come away with any other conclusion than the pro-homosexual lobby is engaged in a wholesale war on religion.
Religious_Zealot on November 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Here are two things that people can do to help:
1) Email El Coyote with your message of support
2) If you live in the Los Angeles area, give them your business.
The good news is, many No on 8 supporters are really starting to sour on this boycott, not to mention the recent tactics of protesters.
This “movement” is going to either destroy itself from within or cooler heads will begin to prevail.
I think the next few days will give us our answer
The Ugly American on November 14, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Why not just give them marriage and the rest of us take civil unions? Which is what we have anyway, when we apply for a license with the government. You will then see a fight by the homosexual community for civil unions.
Sue on November 14, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Aloha you magnificent bastard!
HawaiiLwyr on November 14, 2008 at 11:44 PM
As I understand it, they don’t have the same tax benefits/deductions as a married couple filing a joint return do.
I may be wrong on that.
But you do zero in on the main point: it’s the name.
If we came up with an alternative to marriage – let’s call it “carriage” (to pick a name) for same sex couples – and said that every benefit that a married heterosexual couple had would be given to a same sex couple, that would still be rejected.
They want the word “marriage” and all that it carries. They won’t accept any other term or name even if that term is equal legally to marriage.
SteveMG on November 14, 2008 at 11:44 PM
HELP HELP I’M BEING REPRESSED
Is there anything I can take for that?
Kini on November 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM
My prediction (and I hope I’m wrong):
This Sunday they’ll disrupt a whole lot of churches. In one of them, a church member carrying a gun will open fire and kill one of the protesters. This, in turn, will ratchet up the violence from the Prop-8 opponents who will then have a martyr to celebrate (which is what I think they’re really looking for).
Religious_Zealot on November 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Understood, Zealot. What I was saying is, if queernation already gets the same “rights and privileges” as married folk, then pull up your panties, fold up your little flags, shut up and go home.
Hell, I had to get a license and make an appointment with a judge and everything before I got THOSE RIGHTS!
HornetSting on November 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM
HATE and CONTEMPT -
The two primary products of ALL Liberal Moverments……
Then the Death Camps when they finally GET POWER!!
grtflmark on November 14, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Agreed.
Which means that this is NOT about ‘rights’, but about a name – a label.
And the only thing I can think of that is so vitally important about that particular label is its religious underpinnings.
I mean, is it really far fetched to think that it is a small, a VERY small step from changing the definition of marriage to making unlawful for churches to deny marrying homosexuals?
Religious_Zealot on November 14, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Whoa. Don’t get ahead of yourself there. Most liberals, even the fringier ones, would have a problem with “death camps”.
CherokeeJack on November 14, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Yah, you would think that they would really go after the mosques as Islam doesn’t just want gays not to marry, they want them not to live.
MB4 on November 14, 2008 at 11:51 PM
No Means No.
Christien on November 14, 2008 at 11:51 PM
i am not trying to be a “Hawaiian-ist” here but thanks Kini for linking what has to be one of the greatest clips of all time/
HawaiiLwyr on November 14, 2008 at 11:51 PM
The older woman who owns that place has been facing a serious intimidation campaign from these people. I’ve read a couple of (gay people’s) blogs about the original confrontation and protest, and it’s just awful how they treated her over a $100 donation. She’s always been good to the large number of gay patrons, they say, and she has gay employees that their boycott will hurt, but they want to tar and feather her now.
Her church (LDS, as I understand it) ought to be sending people down there to eat…I sure hope they are.
capitalist piglet on November 14, 2008 at 11:52 PM
True – first comes the “re-education camps.”
/sarc (maybe?)
Religious_Zealot on November 14, 2008 at 11:52 PM
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