Open season on Mormons in California?

posted at 8:15 am on November 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Mormons have been under attack in California since the passage of Proposition 8.  The LDS church backed the winning measure that restored the “one man, one woman” definition of marriage to the state constitution after the state Supreme Court overturned it as a statute.  From profane billboards to violent protests, the anti-8 demonstrators have focused their ire on Mormons, and now two envelopes of white powder have turned up in the mail at the Mormon Temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City:

The FBI says a letter containing a suspicious white powder sent to a Mormon temple in the Westwood area of Los Angeles was not hazardous.

The temple was evacuated Thursday while a hazardous materials crew tested the substance and determined it was non-toxic.

A temple in downtown Salt Lake City received a similar envelope containing a white powder that spilled onto a clerk’s hand. The room was decontaminated and the envelope taken by the FBI for testing. A spokesman for the Salt Lake City Fire Department says the clerk showed no signs of illness, but the scare shut down a building at Temple Square for more than an hour.

It was depressingly predictable that the fringe of the protestors would eventually move towards terrorism.  They’ve assaulted old ladies and threatened more violence, all because they lost on a ballot proposition.  In fact, they lost by over 500,000 votes and almost five percentage points, 52.2% to 47.7%. Of California’s 58 counties, only 16 of them carried a majority of voters opposing it. It wasn’t just the old ladies and Mormons who opposed Proposition 8.

I have no problem with gay marriage, as long as the recognition comes through legitimate political means — either through referendum or legislative action.  California voters have now twice stated by referendum that they do not want to grant government recognition of marriage to same-sex couples.  That’s a pretty clear message that the people of California do not want a public policy that gives official recognition to same-sex couples, outside of partnership contracts.

This fortnight-long temper tantrum certainly won’t help the anti-8 cause when the inevitable referendum appears to reverse the constitutional amendment Californians added in this election.  I’d expect to see that on the ballot every two years from now on, but if its backers keep acting like lunatics, they can expect to lose by greater margins in the future.

Update: I should address a few points in the comments.  First, the reason I support the legitimate process of referendum or legislative action is because they won’t produce nutty results like polygamy or “interspecies marriage”, as someone accuses me of tacitly endorsing.  How many people would vote to allow polygamy or adult incest?  5%?   Judicial fiat, on the other hand, can produce some very strange results.

Also, recognition of marriage is already public policy.  No one has proposed any laws barring two consenting non-related adults from cohabitating, nor should they.  This isn’t a federal question, but a question of what types of relationships will get state recognition, and that’s an issue legitimately resting with the electorate.


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Nobody displays toleance and diversity quite like the left!

Grafted on November 14, 2008 at 8:18 AM

Since Mitt lives in Cali now, will he run for Gov? :-)

jgapinoy on November 14, 2008 at 8:19 AM

Unity isn’t it a good thing. Oh no it’s only when the looney left get their way.

Brat4life on November 14, 2008 at 8:19 AM

Fags, gays, homosexuals, drug users. pro-abortionists, atheists, criminals, idiots, ignorants, ilegal aliens islamic terrorists, black and hispanic racists, those are the core of Obama backers. America deserves what’s coming, a marxist-atheist society

tocoloro on November 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM

What part of “of the people, for the people” don’t they get?

ctmom on November 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM

I have no problem with gay marriage

Conservatives rightly use the slippery slope argument on other issues, but sometimes forget to apply it here.
Ed, do you have no problem with the inevitable polygamy, or incestuous marriage, or inter-species marriage if homosexual marriage is allowed?

jgapinoy on November 14, 2008 at 8:23 AM

As I’ve written elsewhere:

Childish and fascist.

They’ve no respect for me, and all who oppose them.

And their answer is to terrorize, all the while preaching “Stop the hate.”

So, I’ve no guilt whatsoever for despising them.

Hawkins1701 on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

This is what happens when you win the disapproval of kind, tolerant, intellectual elitist leftists.

They act like leftists throughout history have acted – like intolerant, idiotic, homicidal sociopaths.

But they can act like lunatics because deep down, they’re actually kind, tolerant, intellectual elitist leftists.

NoDonkey on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Nobody displays toleance and diversity quite like the left!

Grafted on November 14, 2008 at 8:18 AM
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Nobody displays tolerance and diversity quite like the right!

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

I blame Pelosi and Arnold for the terror. Instead of respecting the will of the voters they ignited the flames of protest.

Our leaders must respect the will of the voters. i myself thing marriage should be between a man and a woman. Their are other ways to defer marriage rights onto gay couples.

I also believe that clubs can have a men’s only or a woman’s only policy. Somethings should be seperate but equal.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Governor Schwarzenegger has to accept some responsibility for throwing gasoline on the fire. He should have stated that the California voters have spoken and that the issue should be accepted as settled. Instead he said that they should never give up and that has encouraged the violent and ugly protests to continue.

scrubjay on November 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM

Nobody displays tolerance and diversity quite like the right!

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

yeah that’s why you see mass protests at Obama’s win from the right. Idiot

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM

Ed, I could not agree with you more. This behavior is merely a giant temper tantrum, and it paints the gay community in a terrible light.

I am a big supporter of gay rights (have a brother and many friends who are homosexual), but this nastiness in California makes everyone looks bad.

Karen_VA on November 14, 2008 at 8:26 AM

I blame Pelosi and Arnold for the terror. Instead of respecting the will of the voters they ignited the flames of protest.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Yep.

And just when I thought my respect for Arnold couldn’t go any lower.

Their are other ways to defer marriage rights onto gay couples

You mean confer?

Hawkins1701 on November 14, 2008 at 8:26 AM

This fortnight-long temper tantrum certainly won’t help the anti-8

I don’t know. People kowtow to Muslims around the world because everyone is afraid of them.

jgapinoy on November 14, 2008 at 8:27 AM

Terrorists and thugs need to go to jail!
If these people were pro life radicals out there targeting abortionists, threatening women and harassing the doctors,, it would be all over the news!
Conservatives need to start taking some things to the streets as well! The aggressor sets the rules!

JellyToast on November 14, 2008 at 8:27 AM

Nobody displays tolerance and diversity quite like the right!

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Al Gore was just as gracious in defeat as McCain was, right Davey?

jgapinoy on November 14, 2008 at 8:28 AM

Fags, gays, homosexuals, drug users. pro-abortionists, atheists, criminals, idiots, ignorants, ilegal aliens islamic terrorists, black and hispanic racists, those are the core of Obama backers. America deserves what’s coming, a marxist-atheist society

tocoloro on November 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM
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It’s ignorant thinking like this that’s going to help you lose in 2012. So please please please keep believing these stupid things.

Now go run to your basement with your water and batteries and cans of spam and sob it out for a few years – your country will do much better without a bigoted jacka*s like you around.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:28 AM

Judging from the intolerant mindset of the MoveOn left, I expect domestic terrorism soon to be a growth industry. We may well be entering a decade turmoil that will pale the 1960′s in comparison.

petefrt on November 14, 2008 at 8:29 AM

Yep, Drywall.

That was a bunch of Southern Baptists that destroyed that little old lady’s cross.

Buy a vowel. Get a clue.

kingsjester on November 14, 2008 at 8:29 AM

your country will do much better without a bigoted jacka*s like you around.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:28 AM

Thank You!

Karen_VA on November 14, 2008 at 8:29 AM

Nobody displays tolerance and diversity quite like the right!

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

It’s ignorant thinking like this that’s going to help you lose in 2012. So please please please keep believing these stupid things.

Now go run to your basement with your water and batteries and cans of spam and sob it out for a few years – your country will do much better without a bigoted jacka*s like you around.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:28 AM

Once again, proof that an empty barrel makes the most noise.

Subsunk

Subsunk on November 14, 2008 at 8:30 AM

Come on Ed! That’s just the door opening they need to redefine the family structure. We have got to take a stand somewhere!

Easydoesit on November 14, 2008 at 8:31 AM

You mean confer?

Hawkins1701 on November 14, 2008 at 8:26 AM

yes still sleeping I guess

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:33 AM

Personally, I blame The One for this whole mess. If he hadn’t run for President than none these ‘racist’ minorities would had come out in such high numbers to vote for Prop 8 and help overturn gay marriage in California. Thanks a lot Barry. Look at the mess your created. Racist.

Lance Murdock on November 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM

Conservatives rightly use the slippery slope argument on other issues, but sometimes forget to apply it here.
Ed, do you have no problem with the inevitable polygamy, or incestuous marriage, or inter-species marriage if homosexual marriage is allowed?

jgapinoy on November 14, 2008 at 8:23 AM
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Inevitable polygamy?
Inevitable INCESTUOUS MARRIAGE?
Inevitable INTER-SPECIES MARRIAGE?

To make the leap from gay marriage to any of these wild dumbas* notions is, despite being really hilairious, incredibly stupid. Not to mention baseless.

Submit some proof of a single sizable organization with these goals or stfu. Thanks.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM

The liberals have courted this type of action…they then have turned their back when terrorists attack.
The liberals have to “own” these actions, this is what their movement embraces.
This is not unique, hanging in effigy, attacking speakers on college campuses, destroying their own cars, then claiming “right wingers” did it, defacing public monuments, attacking elderly people, the list is endless…and their pathetic excuses are endless. All you have to do is just read the liberal poster that condones this behavior, and you can see their twisted logic.
No, the left owns this behavior, born out of their culture, and embraced by their leaders.
These violent protests are the liberal party, and the democrats welcome them.

right2bright on November 14, 2008 at 8:36 AM

I don’t get it. When the vote goes their way, they get on our case big time if we grouse about it, and that’s all we do. But when it doesn’t go their way they feel they are completely justified in this boorish behavior because we’re the haters.

If anything will swing California back towards the right it’s this sort of thing. People have put up with it for a long time but I can see them getting fed up and finally seeing the hypocrisy of free speech for me, but not for thee.

I hope so.

Bob's Kid on November 14, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Gays……can you feel their love?

Why is this nation so confused by violent thugs that claim to be victims while they terrorize the general public and those that wish to live their faith in peace?

Countless millions of dollars have been spent by the queer lobby to put a happy face on their desire to distort the truth about their lifestyle. Now as they confront faith, the light of truth shines upon them.

Hening on November 14, 2008 at 8:37 AM

yeah that’s why you see mass protests at Obama’s win from the right. Idiot

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM
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Yeah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha so funny LOL LOL LOL

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Submit some proof of a single sizable organization with these goals or stfu. Thanks.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM

pedophiles, muslims.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:38 AM

It was depressingly predictable that the fringe of the protestors would eventually move towards terrorism.

Funny how you didn’t post on envelopes of white powder that were mailed to newspapers across the nation — including your two hometown papers. Especially in light of your rhetoric against the MSM. Your posts attacking newspapers have led to some very hateful responses in the threads, and its a part of a larger narrative by conservatives that has demonized the news media to the point that people are mailing white powder to newsrooms.

So, before you get on your high-horse an attack the gay community over “forthright temper tantrums”, take a look in the mirror.

Tom_Shipley on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM

These violent protests are the liberal party, and the democrats welcome them.

right2bright on November 14, 2008 at 8:36 AM

they have since the 1960′s. The adults need to slap their face and give them timeout.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM

Like spoiled brats, the looney left is, I say…..

DL13 on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM

The left wants to take apart the basic structures of our society so they can create a new society in the socilaist image. This is not right wing hyteria talk, this is the “progressives” stated goal going back at least to the French Revolution.

elBarto on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM

How is it that the winning team (the Mormon Church) is under attack, sounds like they are in the majority. They (along with everyone else) need to stand up and be counted. Although judges in California seem to delight in overturning the will of the people. Hang on everyone for a bumpy ride, this fight will take decades.

Tommy_G on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM

“forthright temper tantrums”, take a look in the mirror.

Tom_Shipley on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM

It’s fortnight meaning two weeks. 14 days….

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Someone help me out here. The Mormons I know don’t drink alcohol or caffeine, don’t smoke & that’s all I know of their “politics”. Why are they being targeted? Just because they oppose gay marriage?

kelley in virginia on November 14, 2008 at 8:41 AM

I don’t get it. When the vote goes their way, they get on our case big time if we grouse about it, and that’s all we do. But when it doesn’t go their way they feel they are completely justified in this boorish behavior because we’re the haters.

If anything will swing California back towards the right it’s this sort of thing. People have put up with it for a long time but I can see them getting fed up and finally seeing the hypocrisy of free speech for me, but not for thee.

I hope so.

Bob’s Kid on November 14, 2008 at 8:37 AM
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It’s called a free society, dumba*s. So when are you going to call for an immediate stop to protests at abortion clinics because the vote didn’t go their way?

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:42 AM

It’s pretty funny that people think that they’re marriages are going to fall apart if two gay guys marry each other. Aren’t they already marrying in CT and MA? What were the effects?

jtorres138 on November 14, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Submit some proof of a single sizable organization with these goals or stfu. Thanks.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM

Well, seeing as proof shown to you has never persuaded you, why waste the time?
If marriage can be defined as any people in love can be married, then why not a father and step-daughter, or father and son? What restraints, if the word “marriage” just means commitment between people, then why not polygamy? If a man loves a woman, then another woman, why not marriage, after all it is not confined to just one man and one woman by Prop. 8 definition.
That is the agenda of groups and sub-groups. Read their literature, and don’t rely on us to educate you…we have several times and you just ignore the truth.

right2bright on November 14, 2008 at 8:43 AM

Gays……can you feel their love?

Hening on November 14, 2008 at 8:37 AM

It’s probably not even gays who are doing it but their looney-left sympathizers. You know, the same crew that goes nuts when a tree is cut down or a hamburger is made. The extremists have to be blamed here, not the gay community.

fed-nad on November 14, 2008 at 8:43 AM

watch out for the big bad mormons… you know, the ones representing a shockingly large 2% of the population… the ones who through cultist ritual forced the other 49% of voters to support Prop 8.

The gay mafia has no shame. They’re over-reaching here again and setting their cause back 20 years.

Fact is that most americans agree with the premise of civil unions and have no problem whatsoever with legal protection under the law. What is not clear is how actions like you’re seeing here iwth the protesters will EVER bridge the gap. In fact, all that is happening is a hardening of the lines. All across America, voters are waking up to these tactics and are time after time saying HELL NO to the gay mafia’s insistence on ‘marriage’.

That’s fine – keep up the anticts and I’m sure public opinion might even start to sway on the civil unions…

gatorboy on November 14, 2008 at 8:43 AM

It’s called a free society, dumba*s. So when are you going to call for an immediate stop to protests at abortion clinics because the vote didn’t go their way?

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:42 AM

the moment they attack an old lady. Protests are one thing. violence is another. Just you condoning the violence tells me all I need to know about you.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM

Fags, gays, homosexuals, drug users. pro-abortionists, atheists, criminals, idiots, ignorants, ilegal aliens islamic terrorists, black and hispanic racists, those are the core of Obama backers. America deserves what’s coming, a marxist-atheist society

tocoloro on November 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM

Really? That was over the top. You’re not helping our cause. Stop spewing hate please.

pinkelephants on November 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM

pedophiles, muslims.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:38 AM
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Wow. You’re ignorant AND racist. That’s a double threat! But I’m glad you feel this way – it hurts your party’s chances. Deeply. And you’re too stupid to realize it. So dance on, Captain Bigot. Dance on.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM

t’s fortnight meaning two weeks. 14 days….

Gotcha, misread it.

Tom_Shipley on November 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM

Tom_Shipley on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM

Oh, yes, because criticism is equivalent to violence. I was pretty clear that I was talking about the violent protests mutating towards terrorism.

However, if I get an envelope with white powder, it’s your fault because you criticized me. Thanks for stepping up.

Ed Morrissey on November 14, 2008 at 8:45 AM

Judging from the intolerant mindset of the MoveOn left, I expect domestic terrorism soon to be a growth industry. We may well be entering a decade turmoil that will pale the 1960’s in comparison.

petefrt on November 14, 2008 at 8:29 AM

Why not? Bill Ayers and his wife are now heroes of the left. Book deals, and soon the talk show circuits in the works no doubt.

CrazyFool on November 14, 2008 at 8:45 AM

It’s pretty funny that people think that they’re marriages are going to fall apart if two gay guys marry each other. Aren’t they already marrying in CT and MA? What were the effects?

jtorres138 on November 14, 2008 at 8:42 AM>

One result is that kindergarten children are being given books and education about gay relationships and marriage. Gay propaganda is being taught to all grades in public school since it’s “legal”. One parent was arrested for demanding that he be notified before they discuss this with his child in kindergarten.

These issues run much deeper than what appears on the surface. This is not just trying to redefine marriage and nature. This is another attempt to take parenting rights away from parents and give it to the state.

Hening on November 14, 2008 at 8:47 AM

Oh Dave Drywall, why don’t you go and find a REAL protest somewhere where your ‘exuberance’ and ‘wit’ can be put to better use…

pcbedamned on November 14, 2008 at 8:47 AM

To make the leap from gay marriage to any of these wild dumbas* notions is, despite being really hilairious, incredibly stupid. Not to mention baseless.

Submit some proof of a single sizable organization with these goals or stfu. Thanks.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM

You’ve heard of Mormons and muslims haven’t you?

4shoes on November 14, 2008 at 8:48 AM

I will vote against any homosexual right to marry every chance I get because of this. They have a real enemy in me. Childish bitches they are.

Geronimo on November 14, 2008 at 8:48 AM

It’s pretty funny that people think that they’re marriages are going to fall apart if two gay guys marry each other. Aren’t they already marrying in CT and MA? What were the effects?

jtorres138 on November 14, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Most are saying just call it a commitment contract, or a gayiage contract, everything “marriage” does, they can do now.
We just don’t want the term “marriage” to be re-defined by 5% of the population.
A marriage is between a man and a woman, been like for oh, about 10,000 years or more, by every culture. Why do a few people insist on changing that, when they don’t have to?
What does the word “marriage” gain them that they don’t already have?
How many legs does your dog have?
Answer that question to me, and you will have the answer to the marriage question.

right2bright on November 14, 2008 at 8:49 AM

Ed Morrissey on November 14, 2008 at 8:45 AM

Well played, Ed. I will never understand ANYONE on ANY side who thinks the answer to their problem is terrorism or violence of any kind. This goes for those protesting abortion clinics, as well as the crazies that ambushed the church, etc. All this does is strengthen the case against your cause. This does, however, seem to be weighted to the left… although the right is most definitely not without blame.

pinkelephants on November 14, 2008 at 8:50 AM

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Two words for you, calcium carbonate wafer: Canadian citizen. Poor baby.

AubieJon on November 14, 2008 at 8:50 AM

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM

Screw you. you can’t handle the truth and want to throw insults. So now its is racist to utter the truth. You are an idiot and ulcer on this website.

Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one.” [Al-Qur'an 4:3]

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:50 AM

This is the beginning of the end for this hopelessly and irreparably fractured and divided country . . . very sad, but true.

rplat on November 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM

As soon as some male butt pirate drop a baby out of his ass, he can have the right to marry another man, until then, it’s an abomination.

Geronimo on November 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Well, seeing as proof shown to you has never persuaded you, why waste the time?
If marriage can be defined as any people in love can be married, then why not a father and step-daughter, or father and son? What restraints, if the word “marriage” just means commitment between people, then why not polygamy? If a man loves a woman, then another woman, why not marriage, after all it is not confined to just one man and one woman by Prop. 8 definition.
That is the agenda of groups and sub-groups. Read their literature, and don’t rely on us to educate you…we have several times and you just ignore the truth.

right2bright on November 14, 2008 at 8:43 AM
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Do you believe there are tens of millions of people who want to marry goats? Or their sister? Or have 7 wives?

That there are actually movements afoot for each of these?

If there were, it would be attacked with outrage here and at every right wing blog on a daily basis. It would be ridiculed by everyone else.

You’re trying to build a case out of the 3 insane people who have tried to marry their goldfish. How moronic.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Death to the Gay Mafia! These people are their own worst enemies.

Keemo on November 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM

the moment they attack an old lady. Protests are one thing. violence is another. Just you condoning the violence tells me all I need to know about you.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM
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I don’t condone the violence.

Next.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Ed,

You are lumping the backers of prop 8 together with the people who sent these letters:

I’d expect to see that on the ballot every two years from now on, but if its backers keep acting like lunatics, they can expect to lose by greater margins in the future.

I’m lumping those who criticize the MSM with the people who sent the fake anthrax to the Pi-Press and Strib.

If you can attack prop 8 supporters over these mailings, I can attack you over those.

Tom_Shipley on November 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

These violent protests are the liberal party, and the democrats welcome them.

right2bright on November 14, 2008 at 8:36 AM

they have since the 1960’s. The adults need to slap their face and give them timeout.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM
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Who are all those peaceful abortion protesters with rifles and bombs?

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Here’s one to fan Dave’s fire:

IT’S BIBLICAL!

abbendigo on November 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

It’s probably not even gays who are doing it but their looney-left sympathizers. You know, the same crew that goes nuts when a tree is cut down or a hamburger is made. The extremists have to be blamed here, not the gay community.

fed-nad on November 14, 2008 at 8:43 AM

Open your eyes, those are not “just a few” protesting, that is the gay community. Violent people, which shows their true mindset…bully people into their way of thinking.

right2bright on November 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM

Don’t worry about the Mormons. Study their history. They’re not afraid to pick up a gun and fight back. Those radical elements had best think first about messing w/the Mormons. DD

Darvin Dowdy on November 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM

Someone help me out here. The Mormons I know don’t drink alcohol or caffeine, don’t smoke & that’s all I know of their “politics”. Why are they being targeted? Just because they oppose gay marriage?

kelley in virginia on November 14, 2008 at 8:41 AM
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From Utah, they pumped over 20 million dollars into the campaign against gay marriage in California.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM

Nobody displays toleance and diversity quite like the left!

Grafted on November 14, 2008 at 8:18 AM
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Nobody displays tolerance and diversity quite like the right!

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM

You are both actually correct. One difference we are seeing more clear daily in this issue, is that the right tends to display its intolerance by voting against them; and the left tends to disply its intolerance to voters not agreeing with them.

MikeA on November 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM

It’s interesting how the gays are going after the Mormons, but not the blacks and hispanics who voted overwhelmingly in favor of the proposition. If these protestors really want a fight, why don’t they take it where it really belongs — places like south central L.A.?

AZCoyote on November 14, 2008 at 8:54 AM

All I am seeing on this thread is hate, hate, hate. I bet most of you are church-going, “good” Christians. Did I miss that part in the New Testament when Jesus said to “love your neighbor as yourself…unless they gay or in any way different from you”. Jesus instructed us to follow his lead of forgiveness, tolerance, and love for one another. Really not seeing this here …

Bracing for the attack ……………

Karen_VA on November 14, 2008 at 8:54 AM

Why not? Bill Ayers and his wife are now heroes of the left. Book deals, and soon the talk show circuits in the works no doubt.

CrazyFool on November 14, 2008 at 8:45 AM
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Oh, really? Where? When? Who said that?
Can;t wait for your answer.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM

Who are all those peaceful abortion protesters with rifles and bombs?

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Links, please? Without links or citations, your argument is just another statement regurgitated by a 3rd grader.

AubieJon on November 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM

From Utah, they pumped over 20 million dollars into the campaign against gay marriage in California.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM

So, is that illegal? Do not the gay activists in California provide money to inititives they favor in other states?

MikeA on November 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM

You’re trying to build a case out of the 3 insane people who have tried to marry their goldfish. How moronic.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM

I would say 1 billion muslims is a little more then 3 goldfish. And yes you due condone the violence by defending what they are doing. what the gay community should have done is respect the will of the voters. Worked hard on educating the public and resubmitting their case to the voters next election. But no that was too hard for them. too much work. So instead they attack the groups that do not think like them as evil people. as mean people.

this is why we have jails and laws. All of these idiots need to go to jail.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:56 AM

Violence inherent on the left.

rbj on November 14, 2008 at 8:56 AM

Two words for you, calcium carbonate wafer: Canadian citizen. Poor baby.

AubieJon on November 14, 2008 at 8:50 AM

Sorry, you have crossed a line here. In case you forgot, we Canadians are the ones who have a Conservative in power. As much as I hate to do anything to prop up Dave Drywall, you just can’t lump us all in with the likes of him. Hell, if your country goes as far left as it seems Bambam and his pals want it to, y’all just might end up wanting to be ‘Canadian Citizens’ as well…

pcbedamned on November 14, 2008 at 8:57 AM

I’m lumping those who criticize the MSM with the people who sent the fake anthrax to the Pi-Press and Strib.

Tom_Shipley on November 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Tom: The MSM is one of the least-trusted institutions in this country; the only people that don’t criticize it are the ones who work there. Yet I doubt 80% of the population is considering sending MSM outlets fake anthrax.

That was a really dumb argument.

BigD on November 14, 2008 at 8:57 AM

From Utah, they pumped over 20 million dollars into the campaign against gay marriage in California.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM

Yeah and the teachers union pumped millions into the campaign for gay marriage. what teaching and gay marriage have in common I will never no. At least the mormans had a reason to get the bill passed. the teachers not so much.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:57 AM

The worst part about this situation is that were the situation reversed, and there were protests about the gay lifestyle at a gay parade, those protesters would be arrested for a ‘hate crime’. Yet these people can spew hate and destroy property and make threats with the full support of the US government. It’s sad when free speech only works one way.

I’ve got a good mind to lead a charge to just flat out outlaw homosexual activity. They’ll call me a hateful bigot, but I’m tired of dealing with their dramatic hateful and ignorant crap.

ThackerAgency on November 14, 2008 at 8:57 AM

I have no problem with gay marriage…

Huh. Then on what basis would you oppose three people marrying, Ed? Brother and sister? Mohammed & Aisha?

I guess from now on when you’re right about something we’ll have to wonder why.

Akzed on November 14, 2008 at 8:58 AM

The Democratic Loony Left have become the angry, hateful, racist & selfish party, even though they keep saying that they’ll unite the party, no more hatred, etc., etc., – so hypocritical and a double-standard as always. As far as I’m concerned they are terrorizing us with their far-left agenda.
Although I am not for gay marriage as I feel it should only be between a man and a woman, they should be happy for civil unions. It is just disgusting because Prop 8 was not passed, that it has become violent and such an important issue. There are many more issues such as the economy, jobs, and many other problems we need to deal with that are so much more important right now. I feel too much emphasis is being put on the failure of Prop 8/gay community. I am so tired of this constant gay agenda going on for years, that I don’t give a damn what they do, just as long as they keep it out of my face and behind closed doors. I feel this is so damaging to the children and one of the reasons of the decay in morality today. No need to flame me, because my oldest daughter is a lesbian and a strong conservative and feels it has gone out of control & she is NOT for gay marriage.
Also, our society has become very ignorant and selfish. We need to bring back teaching our children more about history, the Constitution/Bill of Rights/Freedoms, respect, responsilibities, etc., and become more informed to what’s going on, but I know this has been part of the liberal agenda for years, the dumbing down of America and so forth, so it’s up to us to fight for our country and I hope we can do it.

corvettelady on November 14, 2008 at 8:58 AM

This is just business as usual.

I don’t remember marches and violence in 2000. However, in 1992 and 1994 there was some kind of legislation they were trying to pass that lost and on both occasions they marched and deliberately disrupted traffic for days, vandalized property, resisted arrest, and terrorized people. And let’s not forget the White Night riots. Gays are mostly democrats. Democrats riot when they lose. How many threats were there of violence if Obama lost?

Blake on November 14, 2008 at 8:59 AM

Who are all those peaceful abortion protesters with rifles and bombs?

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

the only murders being done at abortion clinics are by the mothers going in there to murder their children and the doctors performing the murder.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 8:59 AM

pcbedamned on November 14, 2008 at 8:57 AM

My point was that this guy comes on here periodically and pretends to stand in judgement over what goes on in the USA. If you google his name, you’ll find where he pretends to be able to complain about lots of other things that are none of his business.

AubieJon on November 14, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Why not? Bill Ayers and his wife are now heroes of the left. Book deals, and soon the talk show circuits in the works no doubt.

CrazyFool on November 14, 2008 at 8:45 AM
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Oh, really? Where? When? Who said that?
Can;t wait for your answer.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM

Douchebag, he is on GMA this morning.

see here.

PimFortuynsGhost on November 14, 2008 at 9:00 AM

TOLERANCE!!! OPEN MINDEDNESS!!! RESPECT FOR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS!!

Oh, wait, none of the above.

Frankly, I don’t care if gay people want to live together, etc, etc. It doesn’t jive with my own beliefs, but I’m open minded enough to accept it. But the voters have spoken on this issue many times and for the most part say no. The government is supposed to respect the will of the people. As for the tolerant protesters, at this rate, they’ll be torching churches and temples all in the name of gay rights. And that’s no way to get your “positive” message across.

mjk on November 14, 2008 at 9:01 AM

Karen_VA on November 14, 2008 at 8:54 AM

Karen, you’re right. We are taught to love the sinner,but hate the sin. We pray for homosexuals. We pray for the end of abortion. We pray for America. We pray for Barry. But our AMERICAN heritage gives us the freedom to speak out against the things we disagree with. Most of the posters on this site usually disagree and poke fun at each other in a healthy way. When you get somebody that is acting like a jerk and taking over threads, Ed bans them from the site.

That’s why I like lurking here and commenting every now and then. Hang in there, Kiddo. GOD IS IN CONTROL.

kingsjester on November 14, 2008 at 9:02 AM

Hmmm. The far more interesting question is: since Ed has no problem with gay marriage, how will you yahoos deal with this?

How can someone be on the right but have such a left wing view of an issue like this?

Can’t wait for the rationalization express. Beep beep.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 9:02 AM

Karen_VA on November 14, 2008 at 8:54 AM

I’m not a churchgoer but I respect the Mormons for voting for what they stand for. Homo’s are throwing a bitch fit because they didn’t get their way. Now they are intimidating people and breaking the law. Some of them anyway and you know it only takes a few bad apples to cast a shadow on the whole group. They have the right to civil unions, that is enough. The people have spoken. Twice.

Geronimo on November 14, 2008 at 9:02 AM

corvettelady on November 14, 2008 at 8:58 AM

Well said.

4shoes on November 14, 2008 at 9:02 AM

Also, this sets great precedent. Imagine what is going to happen in majority Muslim areas when their desire for Sharia is struck down by a vote. Personally, I can’t wait until the ‘civil rights’ arguments between an emerging Muslim class and the current absurd homosexual movement. I can’t wait for Muslims to start boycotting the ‘evolution’ classes in school because it is ‘against their religion’. I’m tired of the Christians getting the bad rap about social conservative views that are the norm all over the world.

When the American policeman forces you to pray toward Mecca (or face jail), you’ll know America has fallen even while you continue to pay taxes.

ThackerAgency on November 14, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Submit some proof of a single sizable organization with these goals or stfu. Thanks.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM

Hey genius, it takes one kook (like you)and one liberal judge.

That is all.

artist on November 14, 2008 at 9:03 AM

I have no problem with gay marriage, as long as the recognition comes through legitimate political means — either through referendum or legislative action.

Dang. How much thought have you given to this, Ed? You really feel the government should be in the business of defining things that aren’t even in the category of civil law?

Spirit of 1776 on November 14, 2008 at 9:03 AM

TOLERANCE!!! OPEN MINDEDNESS!!! RESPECT FOR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS!!
mjk on November 14, 2008 at 9:01 AM

If tolarance gets your this I say screw tolerance. it is time to enforce some socitial norms. Like upholding the law and order of that society.

unseen on November 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Bill Ayers and his wife are now heroes of the left. Book deals, and soon the talk show circuits in the works no doubt.

CrazyFool on November 14, 2008 at 8:45 AM

True. Bill Ayers will now be mainstreamed, ratcheting our political culture several huge notches to the left. Banana republic politics, here we come.

petefrt on November 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Hmmm. The far more interesting question is: since Ed has no problem with gay marriage, how will you yahoos deal with this?

How can someone be on the right but have such a left wing view of an issue like this?

Can’t wait for the rationalization express. Beep beep.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 9:02 AM

And there are GAYS who oppose GM.

How does that work for your thought process?

artist on November 14, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Huh. Then on what basis would you oppose three people marrying, Ed? Brother and sister? Mohammed & Aisha?

I guess from now on when you’re right about something we’ll have to wonder why.

Akzed on November 14, 2008 at 8:58 AM
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Ahh, another mental giant making the claim that if one supports gay marriage, one must obviously support polygamy.

HOW FU*KING MORONIC

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Who are all those peaceful abortion protesters with rifles and bombs?

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

They all got prosecuted. Gay rioters never do.

Blake on November 14, 2008 at 9:05 AM

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