Minnesota Recount: Lying Liars edition

posted at 8:55 am on November 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Al Franken’s campaign hit a new low when they tried to argue that they should get all of the personal information connected to rejected absentee ballots in order for them to determine the legitimacy of the rejection.  They spun a sad tale of a Bemidji woman whose ballot got rejected because her signature had changed — due to a stroke.  This touching tale had everything to pull on the heartstrings … except the truth (via Power Line)

A touching story the Franken campaign told at mid-day Thursday about how a Beltrami County women’s stroke-impaired signature led to her ballot being rejected proved flawed.

“We are still investigating,” Franken spokesman Andy Barr said Thursday night, adding that while the woman’s absentee ballot was rejected it was not because of her shaky signature as he reported a few hours earlier.

The woman’s story was carried by news organizations in Minnesota and beyond.

Franken’s U.S. Senate campaign originally said an 84-year-old Beltrami County woman’s post-stroke handwriting did not match her voter registration signature, so election officials rejected her ballot.

The county’s top elections official said she told the Franken campaign that was not the case.

“Beltrami County does not have one ballot that was rejected because signatures didn’t match and the Franken campaign was clearly told that,” County Auditor-Treasurer Kay Mack said. “I don’t know where they are getting that from.”

This is why candidates don’t do the “investigating”.  County boards make those decisions, and this latest lie from Franken — who literally wrote the book on lying — shows the wisdom of that approach. The county flat-out told Franken that no ballot got rejected on the basis of signature, and the campaign made that claim to the national media anyway.  That makes them liars.

The Coleman campaign responded by alleging that Franken wanted to stuff the ballot box with illegitimate votes in an attempt to, as Mark Ritchie put it, win at any price.  There doesn’t seem to be a  better explanation of this false claim and their demand for personal information.  They want to browbeat voters and county boards into generating votes that don’t exist in order to steal the election.

The Minnesota courts need to shut Franken down fast and hard.  The recount should only involve the ballots certified as legitimate by the counties on Election Day.  Franken can’t win with the legitimate ballots alone, though, and apparently he has no problem with stealing an election with illegitimate ballots instead.


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Fight!

bill30097 on November 14, 2008 at 8:58 AM

What a liar and a scumbag. Public office?

marklmail on November 14, 2008 at 9:01 AM

I absolutely loathe that man.

flyawaybird on November 14, 2008 at 9:02 AM

But he would fit right in with the Reid/Pelosi “Most Ethical Congress Ever” crowd. I’m ready to let the idiot go to Washington and become the ugly face (snort) of the Democratic Congress.

pablo5108 on November 14, 2008 at 9:05 AM

What is up with the water in MN? This piece of filth should never have been this close to winning. If he wins by 100 or loses by 100, I have still lost all respect for that state.

angryed on November 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM

When will this saga be over?

The man is lower than snake s#!+.

tru2tx on November 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM

I always thought democrats waited until after they were elected to start lying.

loudmouth883 on November 14, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Gee, and all this time I thought only the Rethugnicans stole elections.

Stupid lefty Howler Monkeys.

flipflop on November 14, 2008 at 9:09 AM

A lefty lied and the MSM ran with it? I’m shocked! What’s next? Will conservatives starve children so they can transfer the money to the rich?

perroviejo on November 14, 2008 at 9:10 AM

Lies(And Lying Liar Who Tell Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at Al Franken.

That should be his new book.

theboss on November 14, 2008 at 9:10 AM

The ballot recount dance will now begin in earnest.

We saw it in Florida back in 2000, but it wasn’t new even then. I read no fewer than 3 interviews with political “fixers” back then who explained how the process of turning a close election works.

First, you establish that the system is broken. Then, you demand that the voice of the people be heard, and insist that the only way the people’s voice can be heard is a recount. If the recount doesn’t go your way, repeat with a new reason the voice of the people wasn’t heard. Meanwhile, do everything you can to see that your opponent’s ballots get disqualified, and to create new ballots of your own.

Once you get a single recount that goes your way, you declare “The people have spoken! The election is over!” From that moment forward, any question about the process or the count becomes an attack on the will of the people.

Pure, hardball, dishonest politics. Welcome to the Democratic party.

philwynk on November 14, 2008 at 9:11 AM

perroviejo on November 14, 2008 at 9:10 AM

Not only that.. they also do not recycle and want piles and piles of garbage all around.

DaveC on November 14, 2008 at 9:12 AM

The county flat-out told Franken that no ballot got rejected on the basis of signature, and the campaign made that claim to the national media anyway. That makes them liars.

The word “liars” deserves emphasis… why, exactly?

We’ve known this about Democrats generally for years, and about Franken specifically for quite a while.

philwynk on November 14, 2008 at 9:13 AM

I am so bewildered at what MN sees in the Franken, I can’t believe he has gotten this far, but then again we live in a country where Barney Frank got reelected. Sad times indeed. I guess MN hasn’t learned it lesson with Venture that one idiot is enough, p.s. I am from MN and it just makes sad.

Irenaeus on November 14, 2008 at 9:13 AM

p.s. I meant Ventura

Irenaeus on November 14, 2008 at 9:14 AM

Lies (And the Lying Liar Who Tell Tells Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at Al Franken.

Fixed.

theboss on November 14, 2008 at 9:15 AM

Franken needs to just hang it up. What a loser. What a liar!

YOU LOST, AL FRANKEN. He can’t even pull off convincing fraud.

Ballots in the back of a trunk. Ballots from nowhere. Lying about why ballots were rejected.

You were the one who said, “Whining is anger through a small opening.” Suck your sack out and be a man again, Al Franken. I feel sorry for the idiots in Minnesota who are now treated to the pathetic freak show of you whining out your man-gina.

chunderroad on November 14, 2008 at 9:18 AM

I have been approved to assist in the recount… for the MNGOP. I’ll let you know my experiences..could be boring.

MNDavenotPC on November 14, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Franken is a lying, cheating scumbag. The questions is, does that make him more or less qualified to run for Democratic office?

gman43 on November 14, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Franken is a Democrat politician – that’s all that needs to be said.

Democrat politicians are all corrupt, incompetent pieces of absolute garbage.

Otherwise, they wouldn’t be Democrats.

NoDonkey on November 14, 2008 at 9:19 AM

Not only Barney Frank, don’t forget John Murtha, Pelosi, Reid, not to mention how many years Teddy Kennedy was voted in. I can’t believe how blind and complacent Americans have gotten. Have we all turned into stupid sheeple???

2jazzie lane on November 14, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Wow, Card Check in action. No pressure!

Cindy Munford on November 14, 2008 at 9:24 AM

I heard on O’Reilly last night that of all the “new” votes they found (in someones trunk, etc) NOT ONE was for Coleman.

jcheney on November 14, 2008 at 9:26 AM

I posted about this disgusting event here. In the post, I ask about the legal repercussions of knowing using false information in the lawsuit. I’d welcome any lawyers stopping past LFR & leaving a comment on several questions.

1) What is Marc Elias’ exposure if it’s determined that he knew the Beltrami story wasn’t reality?
2) If it’s determined that a Franken staffer gave the information to Mr. Elias, what is that staffer’s exposure?

LFRGary on November 14, 2008 at 9:27 AM

This should be an object lesson for all Conservatives. Particularly those who continue to spout absurd axioms about how we shouldn’t stoop to the same levels as Liberals. That we should stay classy because we’re Conservatives.

Bull sh*t.

You don’t take a knife to a gunfight.

there it is on November 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Only one problem with your thought that the Minn. courts should shut down Franken. They are ON HIS SIDE and have no interest in the law.

Warner Todd Huston on November 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM

The dems are the new Communists of the 21st century.

grapeknutz on November 14, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Will someone from Texas PLEASE raise an army and invade my state? I will welcome you with open arms and actively work as a partisan behind the lines to secure victory.

Bishop on November 14, 2008 at 9:44 AM

All Joe Biden’s fault.

Del Dolemonte on November 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM

The real pathetic thing about this is that if this Horse Turd manages to get in, he will shut his hole and you won’t hear anything about him. Just like our other fine Senator, Klobber..ummm..Klubber..Klobershire?? Al will quietly vote party lines and pop up once in awhile to get his name in the paper ‘bravely’ getting behind legislation that provides leper orphans with shoes and cable TV.

Al is a sackless coward that believes in nothing but running his mouth.

BigWyo on November 14, 2008 at 9:47 AM

GO TO HELL, MINNNESOTA! FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER COUNTRY!

Percy_Peabody on November 14, 2008 at 9:49 AM

This should be an object lesson for all Conservatives. Particularly those who continue to spout absurd axioms about how we shouldn’t stoop to the same levels as Liberals. That we should stay classy because we’re Conservatives.

That’s exactly right. Here’s the analogy I’ve used:

It took 9/11 for us to realize that Islamic terrorists had declared jihad on the United States. What will it take for conservatives to realize that the Nutroots have declared war on every elected Republican?

If we don’t fight back & even go on the offensive, we’ll be the minority party for a generation.

LFRGary on November 14, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Franken’s mind is an airhorn. Senator airhorn. *INSERT OBNOXIOUS LOUD NOISE HERE*

Paul-Cincy on November 14, 2008 at 9:53 AM

I always thought democrats waited until after they were elected to start lying.

loudmouth883 on November 14, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Did you just miss the recent presidential election?

thomasaur on November 14, 2008 at 9:57 AM

GO TO HELL, MINNNESOTA! FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER COUNTRY!

Percy_Peabody on November 14, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Uh, Percy?

1) Try not to paint with such a broad brush. Ed is a Minnesotan, as is John Kline, one of the best congressmen around. And trust me, there are a lot of us in Minnesota who are working to stop this travesty from happening. Lots of us.

2) Please stop yelling.

Mr. D on November 14, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Maybe franken could simply distract ‘em with another joke about killing the president.

locomotivebreath1901 on November 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Mr D

Yep, there are quite a few of us here in MN that will do battle. I have to be honest, a lot of the Conservatives here, such as I, were not born here but moved here. A lot, not all, just my limited observation….lol. I wonder why?… cuz we’re NOT Scandahoovian in blood?…..

MNDavenotPC on November 14, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Franken is pure sleaze. He is unworthy of holding the office of Senator. He is a terrible comic and a vile human being.

Mooseman on November 14, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Six years of this character as a US Senator? It’s like recruiting … Pee Wee Herman to give the eulogy at your father’s funeral … the local butcher to perform brain surgery … someone from Clowns-R-Us to preside at your daughter’s wedding. What did I miss … did he sleep at a Holiday Inn last night? He’s about a thoughtful as a hurricane. NOT Senator material.

Paul-Cincy on November 14, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Hey Bishop.

We here in Texas know how to vote. Republican (except for this blue morass known as Travis County where I live), and the results show. People are moving to Texas by the thousands EVERY DAY, to get to a state which is run well (by Republicans, natch). We have to put up with the same kind of whining from our Dems and the local rag (Austin American Statesman) but even the Statesman knows they can’t be that far in the tank, they opted for Cornyn in the election.

Anyway, c’mon down, we can use all the conservatives we can get and I’d sure like to see Travis County get a huge proportion so we could turn it at least purple, if not red.

Webrider on November 14, 2008 at 10:24 AM

The one consolation in this is imagining Franken’s petulant rage.

Jim Treacher on November 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM

jcheney on November 14, 2008 at 9:26 AM

You heard right. They’re not even smart enough to make it convincing. But seeing who got elected to president for what reasons, maybe they figure it doesn’t need to be convincing.

sloopy on November 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Shameless plug alert:
Frankenlies.com: The truth about the lies of Al Franken

Much appreciated.

DPierre on November 14, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Al Franken is a child in a mans suit. Never liked him. I hope he doesn’t get in. I hope the other man, fights and makes it hard for Franken. To fishy.

sheebe on November 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM

MNDavenotPC on November 14, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Excellent question and observation, Dave. Then again I’m a transplanted Cheesehead and my fair state hasn’t exactly covered itself in electoral glory of late (i.e., Russ Feingold).

A lot of the people who settled Wisconsin and Minnesota originally were northern European and were quite comfortable with socialist thinking when they arrived. You’d like to think they would have left that crap behind when they came to the New World, but still some of that thinking lives on, more than 150 years later. And the softheaded thinking involved gives cynical operators like Franken an opportunity.

Mr. D on November 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM

For heavens sake! The count does not matter. All that matters is dem vote manufacturing and republicans allowing it. If the race is close, they win because we do not jail the folk committing fraud.

JIMV on November 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Exactly, Mr. D
I’m full blooded American Irish who was raised in Philly and learned to not follow the liberal thought process. I married into a Swedish based family, and all hell breaks loose every family gathering. the socialist thought process could very well be genetic. Iceland is paying the price, though and Sweden is not far behind.

MNDavenotPC on November 14, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Why aren’t the Coleman supporters out digging up votes for him? If there are so many conservatives in Minnesota why was the election so close to begin with? A clown like Franken should have lost by double digits against a sick mule. Don’t give me this we’re working hard to see that this doesn’t happen crap. Losers. Maybe you jerks in Minnesota desarve Al Franken. Hell, you already elected Jesse Ventura as your governor. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU STUPID MORONS? Is Minnesota the crystal meth capitol of the universe or do you just not care?

Like I said previously, find yourself another country, Minnesota. You suck. We don’t want or need you in the United States. You are a joke. Maybe Venezuela can annex you.

Percy_Peabody on November 14, 2008 at 11:10 AM

It’s always most excellent when has-been comedians become their very own self-parodies. Life imitating art imitating life!

Christien on November 14, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Percy Peabody
we are working as hard as we can. BTW, you’re state is so stellar?
You cast this wide brush stroke on all of us….. you who are no more human than we are…… tell us about what you’ve done for the conservative cause that will compare to what we Conservatives here have to battle. Please, enlighten me, oh mighty one.

MNDavenotPC on November 14, 2008 at 11:15 AM

This piece of filth should never have been this close to winning. If he wins by 100 or loses by 100, I have still lost all respect for that state.

angryed on November 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM

Most likely, he wasn’t that close. Chances are high that a large percentage of his election day total was made up of dead people, animals, and campaign workers from New York.

Gregor on November 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Getting to the point where the Dems can be honest. In the next election, maybe they will abandon all pretense with the “Get out the Vote!” campaign or “Rocking the Vote” stuff and just engage in truth in advertising: “Stealing the Vote!” and “Stuffing the Box!”

AZfederalist on November 14, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Franken, DNC = BS Incorporated

DL13 on November 14, 2008 at 11:54 AM

What sort of punishment is going to be doled out to the person who “found votes” in his/ her car? Anything?

Security Mom on November 14, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Franken is going to fit right in with the most ethical congress ever.

Oldnuke on November 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM

I know what MN sees in Franken-a moron like a lot of other morons from MN. I truly weep for the good people of MN.
The overall majority I’ve met are not in that category.
MN will get what it deserves outta this, I wager.

Badger40 on November 14, 2008 at 12:21 PM

If Franken steals the election, he’ll drink beer out of a Franken stein.

Steve Z on November 14, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Failied comedian –
Failed Senator Make it happen…

Can you say stolen election…

Kuffar on November 14, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Democrats always manage to find a way to get those extra votes when the recounts start…

Tacitus_SGL on November 14, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Serendipity-right now I’m listening to En Vogue: “You’re Never Gonna Get It”
Al Franken-this is delicious-Al Franken is never going to get elected. That they are resorting to fantasy scenarios proves that he’s already lost.
I’ve read most of Franken’s books, and I can see into the future:
He will get at least two books out of this election, detailing how he is a martyr, ‘the election haven been stolen from him by Coleman’.
Wait-the Ladies are now singing “Free Your Mind-The Rest Will Follow!”-Funky Divas is a great album.
Here’s the deal-Franken isn’t trying to co-opt MY vote; my bro-in-law,lifelong Democrat,has all of Al’s books, has shaken Franken’s hand at a few book signings…didn’t vote for him.
If Franken had his way, that vote would be taken, as my brother in law voted for Obama.
Once it is all said and done and Coleman is back in the Senate, my new name for Al will be: “Senator Al Failure”.

Doug on November 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM

GO TO HELL, MINNNESOTA! FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER COUNTRY!

Percy_Peabody on November 14, 2008 at 9:49 AM

You first, douchebag.

Just exactly how many states would be left if you excluded all those that sent a liberal to Congress? Hell, even Texas has Sheila Jackson-Lee.

Hollowpoint on November 14, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Hollowpoint on November 14, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Somebody’s fussy.

Jim Treacher on November 14, 2008 at 1:12 PM

So exasperating. I pray my state does the right thing.

Go Norm Coleman!

Aronne on November 14, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Let’s chain Percy_Peabody and Al Franken together and start a radio program called “unfair and imbalanced”. It should pass even new fairness doctrine standards for presenting both sides in an evenhanded fashion.

KW64 on November 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Things are pretty bad when it takes a fully certified professional jerk like Franken to convince people that the Dems are corrupt. What will it take to convince people that the sun rises in the east?

njcommuter on November 14, 2008 at 2:14 PM

GO TO HELL, MINNNESOTA! FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER COUNTRY!

Percy_Peabody on November 14, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Minnesota is just one of many states that have been targeted and overrun by the insideous organization ACORN. It is national and now has a representative in the highest office in the land. It may be too late to do anything about it for a very long time to come. I hope not.

This is where the anger needs to be directed. But much better would be to work to remove this cancer from our democracy.

davo on November 14, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Ed, at what point does someonme say enough is enough and stop this blatant fraud?

Big John on November 14, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Webrider on November 14, 2008 at 10:24 AM

But I am worried that they aren’t conservative and will turn us blue.

rgranger on November 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Between the Minnesota election theft-in-action and the Dallas school district illegal alien fraud, America is now officially a third-world nation.

Bangladesh is lookin’ pretty good in comparison these days.

fred5678 on November 14, 2008 at 4:43 PM

I heard Gov. Pawlenty on a couple of talk radio shows this past week … and was UNDERWHELMED both by his lack of passion and his seeming lack of genuine concern that this election was about to be stolen.

It’s almost as if he were… a Quisling.

Any Republicans with FIRE IN THEIR BELLY in the house? (Note: McCain, Pawlenty, Giuliani, Gingrich, etc, need not apply.)

It seems that the Republicans have just about “big-tented” themselves out of existence.

sanantonian on November 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM