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AP: Palinmania may stop Romney from running in 2012

posted at 2:00 pm on November 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Eh. If there’s any truth to it, I’d say Ambinder is a lot closer to the real reason than the AP is.

The surprising ascendancy of McCain’s eventual pick, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and her popularity among some GOP conservatives have left Romney wondering whether he could wage a viable second campaign for the White House, according to friends and advisers…

“While (Palin) may not be popular with the winning majority that Barack Obama put together, she’s enormously popular with the losing minority that John McCain put together — and that pretty closely mirrors Republican primary voters,” said Rich Bond, former chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Charley Manning, a Massachusetts Republican operative who has worked as a Romney adviser, recently told a local radio interviewer: “I’d be surprised if Mitt ever ran again for president. I sure don’t think it was the best experience of his life.”

Taking on the ‘Cuda is a fool’s errand only if two things occur: (1) the economy recovers, leaving Mitt without an obvious argument for why the base should prefer him to her, and (2) Huckabee doesn’t run, thereby ceding social cons to Palin. Number one is obviously more important than number two since a sustained crisis would give the GOP a shot at the White House; absent that, I’m not sure why any Republican would want to run in 2012, especially a guy like Mitt who had to eat a ton of campaign debt this year and would probably end up on the hook for a ton more trying to take down The One’s money machine.

For a guy who’s supposedly sour on the idea, though, he sure seems to be making the right moves:

Now the onetime front-runner for the Republican nomination is schmoozing influential party insiders on the National Review’s annual cruise — a gathering of 700 conservative activists and the same forum where Palin wowed the movement’s media elite last year, beginning her meteoric rise from obscure governor to vice presidential nominee.

But even as Romney publicly declares he has no intentions to run again, several former aides said they believe he will, and this week’s get-together with leading conservatives is only the latest sign the man who spent more than $50 million of his own money to vie for the party’s nomination last year is itching to do it again…

Romney also has maintained close relationships with key supporters in the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire, according to party officials there, and could easily revive the infrastructure he built should he launch another bid.

A free-for-all for the nomination between him, Huck, and Palin would be fascinating insofar as it would leave Mitt open to tack gently away from the culture warrior persona he cultivated last year and be more of the technocrat he seems better suited to being. He could never challenge either of them for the love of evangelicals, so why try? I never really understood his stress on social conservatism anyway, except as a form of gross overcompensation for his previous heresies on abortion. Anyone can say “life begins at conception,” but how many people can organize the Olympics?

Almost as fascinating, but in a distinctly darker way, will be seeing who emerges as the nominee if Obama’s first term is successful. Who’s old enough and ambitious enough that they wouldn’t mind the agony of a longest-of-long-shots campaign for the presidency? The only obvious person is Newt. Exit question: Er, who’s going to be the “national security candidate” next time? Is there anyone in the party’s top tier at this point with notable credentials in that area?


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I know about cut and paste but..

I wish that they would number these posts — ErinF was excellent but referring someone is a pain.

Libs and the drive-bys have Palin as dumb, Mitt with a scary religion and Huckabee as a fundamentalist hick. They really want Palin dead (politically) for some reason..her initial treatment showed that.

I talked to a lib for these characterizations. Charming aren’t they?

IlikedAUH2O on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM

That would help also :)

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Amazing – Mitt Romney, MBA/JD from Harvard v. an idiot who went to 5 colleges in 6 years and can’t even tell you what newspapers she reads.

Vernon Hardapple on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

theregoestheneighborhood on November 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM

and in this lies the problem … to many folks are basing their opinions on Palin solely on the Presidential campaign

they have not done any research into her actual career … if they actually did, they would see that she has done more than the media gives her credit for and she has certainly been more conservative than most of the people that went through the most recent Republican primary

it is not that hard to research this information people

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Amazing – Mitt Romney, MBA/JD from Harvard v. an idiot who went to 5 colleges in 6 years and can’t even tell you what newspapers she reads.

Vernon Hardapple on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

I have gone to three colleges and I bet I could beat you in a debate on any subject every day of the week and twice on Sunday son

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Vernon Hardapple on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Most of our modern presidents are graduates from Harvard or Yale and other Ivy League schools. Do you think they’ve all been a bunch of roses?

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Most of our modern presidents are graduates from Harvard or Yale and other Ivy League schools. Do you think they’ve all been a bunch of roses?

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Palin is similar to Andrew Jackson … not only is she proud of her roots , she doesn’t give flying F of what you think about them

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Always eager to rain on the parade in regards to Palin let’s not forget that in 2012 her “more executive experience than Obama” claim is not going to get any traction.
What does she have to offer beyond that? Romney probably won’t run, on that I would agree.
One year ago McCain’s campaign was declared dead. Here’s to hoping lots of highly qualified republicans throw their hat into the ring so the best of the best gets the nomination for 2012.

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM

The Arctic Hillbillies should be happy with their $150K plus of loot that they can now sell on ebay. A wonderful parting gift. Now she can go back to looking out for Putin when he “rears his head”.

Vernon Hardapple on November 15, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Always eager to rain on the parade in regards to Palin let’s not forget that in 2012 her “more executive experience than Obama” claim is not going to get any traction.
What does she have to offer beyond that?

We can run against Obama like he ran against Bush. The economy is going to be such an unmitigated disaster in 2012 (and who knows what foreign crises will stem from it) that anyone who can articulate a federalist, constitutional, libertarian solution has a great chance.

You know who this helps? Ron Paul.

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM

2012 primary if crisis worsens will be all about nominating the most able populist demagogue. For that reason Huckabee scares the crap out of me.

redneck hippie on November 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM

I guess people who are so hung up on a candidate with an Ivy League education must be forgetting that many of the curent crop in Congress have that education and they are the ones who have created the disaster we’re in today. Somehow that doen’t strike as a high endorsement.

katiejane on November 15, 2008 at 11:43 AM

katiejane on November 15, 2008 at 11:43 AM

This reminds me of the logic that Republicans were spending too much so lets replace them with Democrats.

thecountofincognito on November 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Palin will be one of the few people in government we trust in a few years. When Israel hits Iran energy independence and oil will have new meaning, she will be proved correct.

Firebird on November 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM

2012 primary if crisis worsens will be all about nominating the most able populist demagogue. For that reason Huckabee scares the crap out of me.

redneck hippie on November 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Nightmare scenario. Yikes. I doubt that would happen though.

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 11:47 AM

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM

I think the economy in 2012 is likely to be in pretty decent shape. The Dems will pay a big price in house and senate seats in the 2010 elections.
if the economy is still in the toilet in 2012 we may be on the verge of war with other countries. let’s hope that is not the case.

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 11:47 AM

You know who this helps? Ron Paul.

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM

I would vote for Obama over Ron Paul. No thank you.

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM

I think the economy in 2012 is likely to be in pretty decent shape. The Dems will pay a big price in house and senate seats in the 2010 elections.
if the economy is still in the toilet in 2012 we may be on the verge of war with other countries. let’s hope that is not the case.

Believe me, it won’t. Obama is going to go for a big government Keynesian approach and his allies in congress will back him up. It cannot work.

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM

I have gone to three colleges and I bet I could beat you in a debate on any subject every day of the week and twice on Sunday son

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 11:29

You are only 22 — what is your point? you know what calling someone son comes off as don’t you? Kind of silly.

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM

I would vote for Obama over Ron Paul. No thank you.

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Second that!

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 11:51 AM

I would vote for Obama over Ron Paul. No thank you.

I expect this is the usual “I agree with him on domestic policy, but not on foreign policy” reasoning

If that’s the case, I would ask why other countries are more important to you than America

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Always eager to rain on the parade in regards to Palin let’s not forget that in 2012 her “more executive experience than Obama” claim is not going to get any traction.
What does she have to offer beyond that?

It depends what his executive experience has achieved by 2012. If he is a disaster (which is possible but not likely) that claim will be meaningless. Especially if Palin were to continue to improve Alaska. Didn’t someone earlier post something about how Alaska is one of the only states not in a recession?

Anyways, I still think she should hold off until 2016 if Obama looks like he is doing a fair job in the eyes of most people.

V15J on November 15, 2008 at 11:55 AM

What would possess anyone to vote for Obama over Ron Paul? I’m not a huge RP fan but they both want to withdraw the troops, and at least Ron Paul makes sense economically.

thecountofincognito on November 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Palin/Jeri Thompson! Conservative… all-woman…and HOTTEST… ticket EVAH!

wccawa on November 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM

V15J on November 15, 2008 at 11:55 AM

I think her fans should be more realistic about her chances in any election — lots of criticism about Obama being coronated but not so much in regards to Palin.

Jindal is the true elephant in the room.

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM

If that’s the case, I would ask why other countries are more important to you than America

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM

It’s a good thing you didn’t ask, because you would have looked like an idiot.

Ronnie on November 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM

If that’s the case, I would ask why other countries are more important to you than America

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Yeah I got rid of my isolationist streak when I woke up one September day and saw air planes hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on television. What happens in other parts of the world matters.

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Palin/Jeri Thompson! Conservative… all-woman…and HOTTEST… ticket EVAH!
wccawa on November 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Jesus wept

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Yeah I got rid of my isolationist streak when I woke up one September day and saw air planes hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on television. What happens in other parts of the world matters.

As I remember, Ron Paul voted to go after Bin Laden. And now he’s in Pakistan. So unless we’re gonna invade Pakistan, I want a damn good explanation why my dollars are building Afghan police forces whilst our own borders are unguarded.

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM

As I remember, Ron Paul voted to go after Bin Laden. And now he’s in Pakistan. So unless we’re gonna invade Pakistan, I want a damn good explanation why my dollars are building Afghan police forces whilst our own borders are unguarded.

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Ron Paul had to be begged to authorize force in Afghanistan … begged

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 12:10 PM

You are only 22 — what is your point? you know what calling someone son comes off as don’t you? Kind of silly.

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Here is an idea … don’t worry about it

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM

I love Sarah Palin and Mitt has some awfully good qualities. I do not think that the party should run 10 different candidates in 2012. I say the RNC needs to come up with a strategy/platform and then see what candidates
(3-5) fit that mold. THOROUGHLY vet them. Plan now. Don’t run every Tom, Dick and Harry and let the message get lost.

It reminds me of when I was a senior in HS and there were lots of girls running for Homecoming Queen. Two seniors were neck and neck and senior girls ALWAYS won queen of any contest. Well, those two were tied with each other, but a Junior girl ended up winning queen.

I think that’s how we ended up with John McCain FWIW.

Oink on November 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Oink on November 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Not only that … we will need TONS of money and networking in 2012 or 2016, and that has to start ASAP

Listen … I voted for Romney in the primaries but the Republicans have to stop with “the next guy in line to be the nominee BS”

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 12:19 PM

what newspapers she reads.

Vernon Hardapple on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

How precious. Another person suffering from a lack of foresight.

csdeven on November 15, 2008 at 12:25 PM

As I remember, Ron Paul voted to go after Bin Laden. And now he’s in Pakistan. So unless we’re gonna invade Pakistan, I want a damn good explanation why my dollars are building Afghan police forces whilst our own borders are unguarded.

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Because our borders are not filled with Al Qaeda and the Taliban?

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Both Palin and Romney have image problems.

Palin would be a great nominee in 2016/2020. She is young enough to wait that long and get more experience with the national stage.

Let us see what issues are on the table for 2012 before we annoint anyone.

I prefer Romney over Palin because of his experiences and his smooth talking (which Palin needs to perfect.). I hope both candidates get better publicity next time around. (not holding my breath)

Chubbs65 on November 15, 2008 at 12:28 PM

csdeven on November 15, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Palin’s Knight in Shining Armor has entered the building

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM

If that’s the case, I would ask why other countries are more important to you than America

lodge on November 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Because we live in a global economy and that cranky nutjob would make us a third world $hithole in two years. Other countries would wage economic Armageddon on our allies and cranky would sit on his thumbs.

csdeven on November 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Here is an idea … don’t worry about it

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM

So you don’t have a point… roger copy.

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM

I prefer Romney over Palin because of his experiences and his smooth talking (which Palin needs to perfect.). I hope both candidates get better publicity next time around. (not holding my breath)

Chubbs65 on November 15, 2008 at 12:28 PM

I’d agree with that. But Romney has some serious issues with connecting with regular folks. The guy has lived in the high air of privileged and has no experience with what most of us experience on a day to day basis. I was especially disappointed in his disconnect with military families.

csdeven on November 15, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Palin’s Knight in Shining Armor has entered the building

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Not a lot left to say? I expected as much from our resident cranky dude.

csdeven on November 15, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Not a lot left to say? I expected as much from our resident cranky dude.CUDA! I mean Mitt! I mean Fred!.. wait strike that last one.

csdeven on November 15, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Yawn…

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM

Mike Huckabee/ Ron Paul 2012!!

SaintOlaf on November 15, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Mike Huckabee/ Ron Paul 2012!!

SaintOlaf on November 15, 2008 at 12:38 PM

= Obama 48 state landslide

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM

= Obama 48 state landslide

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM

I don’t think so.

We are going to completely destroy B Hussein’s presidency.

You think the dems were a good opposition party, think again. We have always done it better.

Within 4 years B Husssein Obama will be the most reviled person in U.S. history.

SaintOlaf on November 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM

I have gone to three colleges and I bet I could beat you in a debate on any subject every day of the week and twice on Sunday son

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Wow, for a 22 year old you sure are cocky.

I think you just proved Vernon’s point: lots of bravado, little sustained accomplishment.

haner on November 15, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Wow, for a 22 year old you sure are cocky.

I think you just proved Vernon’s point: lots of bravado, little sustained accomplishment.

haner on November 15, 2008 at 12:48 PM

but yet you are responding …

go figure

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM

8. Yes, she did try, clearly unsuccessfully, to get Bristol married off to her fiancee before the story came out

ddrintn I am not sure that’s true. I heard her at an interview some time back saying when Bristol turns 18 (which she has now) she can decide what to do about getting married or not.

saint on November 15, 2008 at 10:13 AM

My astonishment was tongue-in-cheek. ;)

ddrintn on November 15, 2008 at 12:59 PM

I would love to see the 22 year old Oracle of the Garden State debate the Thrilla from Wasilla. On second thought, I’d just pop in Dumb and Dumber if I wanted to see something like that.

Vernon Hardapple on November 15, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Yep, Obama will probably even win Texas with that type ticket. How long has been since a Democrat has won Texas?

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM

While (Palin) may not be popular with the winning majority that Barack Obama put together, she’s enormously popular with the losing minority that John McCain put together — and that pretty closely mirrors Republican primary voters,” said Rich Bond, former chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Thus speaks the real problem with the GOP, one of the many ‘brains’ at the top of the RNC

The losing minority is McCain’s minority, not Palin’s, which has not been measured yet.

The pre November Palin image was shaped almost totally by the media not the GOP who kept Palin away from live interviews, and made sure to sink her in highly publicized pre recorded interviews edited by the opposition.

What sane political organization lets the opponent control their message?

The ‘brains’ at the top of the party participated in the Palin news blackout figuring no one would vote for this Alaska hick when they could have brilliant McCain, who single handedly had shut down contributions to the GOP.

Te RNC itself accelerated the decline with their terrifying emails to people like me which reinforced the party was bent on establishing a RINO oligarchy

McCain had promised to establish amnesty, and installed the most anti American ‘advisors’ as his campaign coordinators for Hispanics. He had already shut down the airwaves with campaign finance. He had used the Senate like a racketeer, leading a small gang of RINOs who threw their votes with the Democrats.

McCain is the one who shelved the MIA/POW families and he is the one who declared the AMerican worker too lazy to pick lettuce even for $50 and hour, as if they were to dumb to know it was a lot more than lettuce picking jobs that were being stolen.

The losing minority was not a McCain minority, it was the few and the brave willing to vote in an extortionist plus Palin to avoid Obama.

I like both Palin and Romney. They are both strong candidates and both wonderful in live venues. Both fiscal conservatives and both willing to make deals if the deals are reasonable. They are not McCain and better than the other candidates who put McCain into the nomination

Because of the contempt the RNC shows for the member, and because of their willingness to circumvent honest primaries to ignore the choices of the members, the next GOP candidate had better be a straight shooter regardless of the Obama presidency or the GOP dies very dead

entagor on November 15, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Amazing – Mitt Romney, MBA/JD from Harvard v. an idiot who went to 5 colleges in 6 years and can’t even tell you what newspapers she reads.

Vernon Hardapple on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

But Bush’s Ivy League pedigree never stopped the “idiot” tag either. “Idiot” = someone whose views don’t agree with mine. Typical tired liberal trope.

Judging from the way newspapers are leaking money like sieves, if she doesn’t read any, she’s in good company.

ddrintn on November 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM

But Bush’s Ivy League pedigree never stopped the “idiot” tag either. “Idiot” = someone whose views don’t agree with mine. Typical tired liberal trope.

A Republican makes a gaffe and it’s evidence that they are “intellectually incurious.” A Democrat makes a verbal gaffe, it’s just a slip of the tongue. Although, I think it also has to do with a regional bias. Bush resided in a rural portion of Texas. Palin is from rural Alaska. Since they are attracted to rural life, they must be dumb. For example, I have a hard time seeing Mitt Romney pegged as “dumb.” He’s more urbane. But I’m sure they will tag Romney with some other media created meme.

terryannonline on November 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

A Republican makes a gaffe and it’s evidence that they are “intellectually incurious.” A Democrat makes a verbal gaffe, it’s just a slip of the tongue. Although, I think it also has to do with a regional bias. Bush resided in a rural portion of Texas. Palin is from rural Alaska. Since they are attracted to rural life, they must be dumb. For example, I have a hard time seeing Mitt Romney pegged as “dumb.” He’s more urbane. But I’m sure they will tag Romney with some other media created meme.

Sure … they already did … Romney is “fake” who “can’t connect” with everyday Americans

but rich democrats like the Kennedys, Pelosi, Boxer etc. etc. don’t have this problem

The media has been playing this card so much that it doesn’t even matter anymore

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Romney was a bit stiff/plastic-y, and that made it easier for the press to paint the caricature of him.

To be honest, if people say he is out of touch with the common man, they haven’t really looked at the family he raised. He might be mega rich, but I think the Mormonism kept him grounded.

Chubbs65 on November 15, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Rensen on November 15, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Romney did enough pride swallowing to help McCain win this thing, Huckaboo wasnt terribly active as I recall, to busy with his “Baptist Bill Mahr” schtick on Fox.

Actually, HuckaBEE stumped all over the country for McCain and for congressional consevatives. 32 of the candidates endorsed and supported by his PAC and his time on the trail won their races.

McCain was foolish to to make greater use of him in some of the red states he eventually lost.

Virginia? Huck almost beat McCain in Virgina with his rural red county turnout.(this after the primary race was deemed ‘over’ by the press.)

Think McCain could have used some help there in the general?

Rensen on November 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Huckabee is an idiot. Palin isn’t far off. Romney, Sanford and Jindal are good choices.

therightwinger on November 15, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Let’s see who can connect with the electorate, and energize and mobilize the largest number of voters for the Conservatives/Republicans in 2012. Remember Reagan’s 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not say anything bad about another Republican.
Enough with the derogatory comments about any one of these Republicans as any one of them is better than Obama and his crew.

gracie on November 15, 2008 at 6:11 PM

chunderroad on November 14, 2008 at 2:33 PM

POST OF THE MONTH!!!!!!!!!

That is why politics is so interesting. Masks are taken off constantly in politics, and whenever you think you see a good potential, voila! Protagonism and E.G.O. (Edging God Out) get in the way of the PEOPLE.

Sarah has been exquisite to watch. She is a role model for me as a mom, all that I wish to achieve in life; and above all, she shares with all of us the immense love she has for her country. I am catching on this and even though I was not born here, it is very inspiring to receive that love and learn to cherish and appreciate the country I live in. Not to mention I’d kill for the beauty secrets, exercise regimen and how she manages five kids (!!!!!) when I have two!

We got a good one here folks…I feel the right thing to do is to respect her wishes, not tick her off and expose the men and women that hold nothing but selfishness and thirst of fame. Wanna be famous? Move to LA!

Time to roll up the sleeves, get dirty and clean house! I am getting tired of reading all these “Pokemon-style” battles. Feels like I am reading about WoW characters! Listen to what she has said: Let’s get back to the basics.

ProudPalinFan on November 15, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Palin/Jeri Thompson! Conservative… all-woman…and HOTTEST… ticket EVAH!
wccawa on November 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Jesus wept

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM

People, I guess you want work to be done in Washington, riiight? It’s gonna take a truckload of bibs and an extra crew of housekeepers to take care of all that drool…

ProudPalinFan on November 15, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Jesus wept tears of joy

People, I guess you want work to be done in Washington, riiight? It’s gonna take a truckload of bibs and an extra crew of housekeepers to take care of all that drool…
ProudPalinFan on November 15, 2008 at 6:29 PM

It’s about time. Women are well-suited to serving as Commander-in-Chiefs. Just ask 4-Star General Ann Dunwoody.

gracie on November 15, 2008 at 6:58 PM

The used car salesman is afraid of the ditz… but I am still hoping its PIYUSH!

benny shakar on November 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Anyone can say “life begins at conception,” but how many people can organize the Olympics?

You are correct. But, I want somebody who believes in giving life to a human being, rather than giving life to a sporting event.

apacalyps on November 15, 2008 at 8:10 PM

gracie on November 15, 2008 at 6:58 PM

So Palin-Jeri Thompson is a good ticket because men will drool?? What happened to qualifications matter?

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Huckabee therightwinger is an idiot.

therightwinger on November 15, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Everything’s okay now folks, move along.

apacalyps on November 15, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Notice how Huckabee and Palin drew the most attention from grass roots conservatives this election run! You’ll never guess why? Here’s a clue. They are where the nation is at. Unfortunately, this is not where the mainstream media and the Republican elite are at. And therein lies the problem: it’s time for completey new leadership for America. Completely new leadership! Because the current leadership we have in both political parties has failed us.

apacalyps on November 15, 2008 at 8:24 PM

The thing about Huckabee and Palin, is an amazing similarity: People either love them or hate them!

I don’t have issues with either of them. In fact I am watching his show as I type. BUT I have family in AR and can’t stand him b/c when he was governor, he raised taxes (if there was another issue I don’t know) but I won’t write what my SIL said because I’ll be banned.

About the WoW I remembered that I have the trial DVD and I am checking it out doing research.

ProudPalinFan on November 15, 2008 at 8:41 PM

So Palin-Jeri Thompson is a good ticket because men will drool?? What happened to qualifications matter?
Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM

My post disappeared so I’ll do it again. The qualifications for President include: Natural Born Citizen, at least 35 years old and 14 years in this country. Does BO have these? The rest is subjective. All of the potential Republican candidates for 2012 are/have been elected Governors. And Romney, a very rich and smart man, has considerable tangible attributes. Let’s see what each has to offer, most importantly in bringing the electorate to vote to defeat Obama in 2012.

gracie on November 15, 2008 at 8:55 PM

I’ll declare it again: we need to be more concerned about 2009 and declare a moratorium on 2012 discussions.

Four years ago, people thought George Allen, Condi Rice, Tommy Frank, and Colin Powell would be our 2008 Primary Candidates…none of them even formed an exploratory committee. One year ago, we thought Hillary would be the next POTUS after she beat Giuliani in the general election.

This current, constant discussion is pointless.

ashleymatt on November 15, 2008 at 9:28 PM

From Karl Rove:

4.Republicans must regain ground among critical voting groups. Voters ages 18–29 voted Democratic by a 2-to-1 margin. A market-oriented “green” agenda that’s true to our principles would help win them back. Hispanics dropped from 44 percent Republican in 2004 to 31 percent in 2008. The GOP won’t be a majority party if it cedes the young or Hispanics to Democrats. Republicans must find a way to support secure borders, a guest-worker program and comprehensive immigration reform that strengthens citizenship, grows our economy and keeps America a welcoming nation. An anti-Hispanic attitude is suicidal. As the party of Lincoln, Republicans have a moral obligation to make our case to Hispanics, blacks and Asian-Americans who share our values. Whether we see gains in 2010 depends on it.
Winning requires addition, not subtraction. While the GOP’s strength is in the suburbs, exurbs and small towns, it cannot surrender urban America, especially if it wants to win states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio and regain strength in New England.

I think this is key…but no pandering. Show the way. People on the outside need this to feel on the inside. The Republicans need to be genuine.

gracie on November 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM

This current, constant discussion is pointless.
ashleymatt on November 15, 2008 at 9:28 PM

No it’s not, ashleymatt. The message is key, regardless of the messenger. We have a good idea of what works and what will sustain us in 2009, 10, 11, 12 …16, etc.: Conservation, respect, consideration. That’s why we have always been a community/nation of “Center-Right” and will always be.

gracie on November 15, 2008 at 9:41 PM

I have gone to three colleges and I bet I could beat you in a debate on any subject every day of the week and twice on Sunday son

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Dude, Joe Biden is leaving comments at HA!

JustTruth101 on November 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

gracie on November 15, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Gracie you missed it entirely. Jeri Thompson? That is what the other person suggested as the bottom of the Palin ticket in 2012. Why? because they are “hot”.
Silliness

Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM

Dude, Joe Biden is leaving comments at HA!

JustTruth101 on November 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Joe Biden is my uncle

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 11:59 PM

I have gone to three colleges and I bet I could beat you in a debate on any subject every day of the week and twice on Sunday son
joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Dude, Palin’s got you beat by two colleges.

benny shakar on November 16, 2008 at 1:45 AM

Dude, Palin’s got you beat by two colleges.

benny shakar on November 16, 2008 at 1:45 AM

and you have us both beat by one

one as in the amount of fast food joints you currently work at

joey24007 on November 16, 2008 at 1:57 AM

As much as I love Sarah and her sincerity, competence as Governor, and fearlessness, the only way it would make sense for her to run in 2012 is if Obama turns out to be a Carter-like unmitigated failure.

The memory of Palin-as-punchline will still be fresh enough four years from now unless the attitude of the electorate does a complete 180 degree spin. People would have to be losing faith in “change you can believe in” and giving up “hope.” The economy would have to still be in the toilet, and the idea that The Rest of The World is ready to love America again because Bush is gone would have to have been dashed to pieces.

The Dems fear Jindal so much that in 2006, they tried to beat him in Louisiana by twisting a interview quote like soldering iron so that it sounded like he was bashing Protestants. In my mind, HE is the front-runner, not Palin. Look for the Weeziana Dems to try to trip him up somehow between now and 2011.

I would bet what little I own on the idea that the O-team fears Gen. Petraeus. If he is able to win in Afghanistan, he will have proven his leadership abilities on a world scale like nobody since Eisenhower, and will have a record of success that dwarfs Obama’s even more than it does now. The only questions: Does he even want the gig? And if so, would he run as a Republican?

L.N. Smithee on November 16, 2008 at 2:23 AM

Guy from Jersey with a blog of Palin pics trying to trash talk… you can’t make this stuff up!

benny shakar on November 16, 2008 at 2:25 AM

Gracie you missed it entirely. Jeri Thompson? That is what the other person suggested as the bottom of the Palin ticket in 2012. Why? because they are “hot”.
Silliness
Bradky on November 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM

Of course it’s silly ’cause they are “hot.”…But the reasons many folks voted for BO..WHAT?? What a tragedy…and now we are stuck…. “hot” is as good as many reason I’ve heard for putting BO in play.

gracie on November 16, 2008 at 6:55 AM

“hot” is as good as many reason I’ve heard for putting BO in play.

gracie on November 16, 2008 at 6:55 AM

*shakes head sadly* so risking the security of our country just to beat Obama with two women with being “Hot” as one of their primary qualifications is okay with you?
I would vote for Obama before I would vote for a ticket like that.

Bradky on November 16, 2008 at 7:16 AM

*shakes head sadly* so risking the security of our country just to beat Obama with two women with being “Hot” as one of their primary qualifications is okay with you?
I would vote for Obama before I would vote for a ticket like that.
Bradky on November 16, 2008 at 7:16 AM

No, Bradky, it isn’t. My point is, many of the electorate don’t have particularly smart reasons why they vote for someone, but they do..and we have seen it now with BO’s win.

We have 4 years for some Republican to articulate policy and move the masses. And I want to see what these candidates have done on their home turf. Each of them will have to morph to something beyond what they have ever been.

Now, it’s on to church for me to reflect and see where the heck I went wrong and then get it right.
Thank you for reading what I have to say.

gracie on November 16, 2008 at 8:07 AM

Bradky,

Palin disarmed with her charms and class the day she met the world leaders, remember?

ProudPalinFan on November 16, 2008 at 9:18 AM

I would rather a man be president than a woman, too many countries would not respect a woman as president.

la.rt.wngr on November 16, 2008 at 9:38 AM

ProudPalinFan on November 16, 2008 at 9:18 AM

So do many movie stars but that doesn’t qualify them to be president.

What is really sad about the Palinheads is that you come across as grasping at straws. “The only hope for the GOP is Palin! – yeah Cuda!” “she was set up in the Couric interview. She sounded out of her league because it was McCain’s fault” “she is conservative AND hot” etc. etc.
There are many good candidates and keeping an open mind is the adult approach that offers the best chance for the right candidate to represent the party.

Bradky on November 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM

The world changed on 9/11/01. During our years in the Obamanation anything can happen. If the economy is good we don’t change presidents. If it’s not good we do. During our lifetimes, and with the exception of Reagan, EVERY Democrat president gives way to a Republican and visa versa. The only question is if we keep you for two terms or not. If BO raises taxes and prolongs the recession then he’s out. Or, if we have years of unanswered Muslim terrorist attacks the he’s out.

If I were a dictator of any country out there I would view the next four years as free play. Despots will be free to do whatever they want ’cause BO will not commit troops anywhere. It would really suck to be in the military right now. After eight proud years under Bush they get stuck with the effete elite running the show. I view BO as a greater danger to our fine military than any foreign enemy.

Mojave Mark on November 16, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Guy from Jersey with a blog of Palin pics trying to trash talk… you can’t make this stuff up!

benny shakar on November 16, 2008 at 2:25 AM

Guy from wherever, who spends his whole life trashing the Republican vice presidential candidate on a conservative website because his mommy doesn’t give him any attention at home

you can’t make this stuff up!

joey24007 on November 16, 2008 at 10:10 AM

benny shakar and joey24007 meet on a political board and discover they are a match made in heaven. Spend a few months finding a state who will marry them. Lifetime makes a movie…
you can’t make this stuff up!

Bradky on November 16, 2008 at 10:13 AM

benny shakar and joey24007 meet on a political board and discover they are a match made in heaven. Spend a few months finding a state who will marry them. Lifetime makes a movie…
you can’t make this stuff up!

Bradky on November 16, 2008 at 10:13 AM

what is Lifetime?

joey24007 on November 16, 2008 at 10:18 AM

What is really sad about the Palinheads is that you come across as grasping at straws.
Bradky on November 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM

That’s largely because no one in the media has ever really looked into Palin’s accomplishments in Alaska. We only know the sound bites–took on the good old boy network; negotiated a pipeline deal that had been going nowhere for better than a decade. There are more examples, but my point relates to the ones given here. Where have you seen a lengthy substantive analysis of the pipeline deal–detailing who the parties were that were involved, what companies, countries, agencies, what the obstacles had been that had kept the deal from being done all those years, and how she was able to get passed all that. Ditto the Alaska corruption story. The reason why people who have interviewed her (seriously, not launching a gotcha trap at her) come away very impressed with her, is because that is when they actually find out the substance of who she is. That talking to her seems to be the only way to find this out is not her fault; it’s the fault of the “incurious” fourth estate, which is more interested in playing king-maker, through the manipulation of good and bad caricatures, than in providing information people can use.

I wish someone would write a fair book about her. Those of you who are criticizing her have no real idea what you’re talking about. None of us do. We don’t have enough information. All I know is that people who have had close contact with her generally have very good stuff to say about her; those who have really bad stuff to say about her, to a man (and woman, ahem), have NOT had close contact with her.

smellthecoffee on November 16, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Oh, and as for vernon crabapple–she didn’t not answer Katie Courics questions about magazines because she didn’t know the answer, or because she doesn’t read magazines. She was trying to figure out what Katie’s angle was–”How is she going to pillory me on the basis of my answer to this question?” She obviously didn’t have a clear answer in her own mind to the question, so she shucked the question. OR, she didn’t have the “right” (ie lefty) magazines on her list, and knew Katie would just be saying “Hmmmm, I see. . . Many of our listeners would find that list a little, hmm, how shall I say, neo-troglodyte?” When was the last time you went through a hostile interview on national television smarty-pants?

smellthecoffee on November 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM

joey24007 on November 15, 2008 at 12:19 PM

I hope they don’t stop this tradition now that the next guy in line is actually really good.

thecountofincognito on November 16, 2008 at 11:17 AM

smellthecoffee on November 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Translation: “I like sara and if I like her it means she is the best gol darn true conservative to ever walk the earth. You haven’t been enlightened because you are not a true conservative who understands the special code…”

Definition of cult from Merriam Webster:
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book) ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

If it looks like a duck……

Bradky on November 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM

I’d sleep a lot better at night if Mitt Romney had won the Presidency. It’s a real shame that the most qualified leader was kneecapped by his friends.

Perhaps a Romney/Palin ticket would have won. Who knows, maybe by 2012, as we hide in our cave and strike flint, this will be a salvation ticket.

The worst of times is upon us.

eaglesdontflock on November 16, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Amazing – Mitt Romney, MBA/JD from Harvard v. an idiot who went to 5 colleges in 6 years and can’t even tell you what newspapers she reads.

Vernon Hardapple on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

And yet, she got further than Romney did, actually being ON the ticket. Go figure.

I’ve known a few people in my time who were scary smart, but they couldn’t even do their own hair. It’s not alays what you’ve got upstairs, it’s how you use it.

TeeDee on November 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM

I’ve known a few people in my time who were scary smart, but they couldn’t even do their own hair. It’s not alays what you’ve got upstairs, it’s how you use it.

TeeDee on November 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM

We are experiencing what happens when politicians who don’t have much “upstairs” but know how to manipulate the system. Dodd, Frank and fellows in Congress really blew stupid out of the water with this financial crisis. They weren’t smart enough to follow the money.

I want a smart leader, not just street smart.

eaglesdontflock on November 16, 2008 at 2:02 PM

TeeDee on November 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Romney, along with most others running, went through a year and a half of very thorough media vetting. Palin got on the ticket because Obama didn’t pick Hillary so McCain’s team thought they saw an opening. Being McCain’s VP pick is not “getting further.” It just means either McCain or his team thought she was the best choice. Whether you trust the judgement of those particular people is up to you. This is not a knock on Palin, just on that line of thinking that she “got farther” and is therefor superior.

thecountofincognito on November 16, 2008 at 2:25 PM

thecountofincognito on November 16, 2008 at 2:25 PM

You took my reply to that poster a little further than you should have. Ms. Couric, being the fair and balanced newsreader that she is, reportedly actually met with people who didn’t support Gov. Palin before she did that hit-job interview, and any remarks by anybody dissing Gov. Palin because of that interview raise my hackles a little bit.

Re the vetting part: Gov. Palin didn’t get vetted, because she was so far off the radar. When she came under the radar, she was vetted at warp speed and anything and everything was thrown at her to try to destroy her.

Whatever reasons McCain had for choosing her over Romney and any of the others for VP, she’s the one that kept him from getting blown out by The Magic One. I worked the phone banks for McCain/Palin, and if I only had a nickel for everyone who told me they were voting for McCain because of her being on the ticket.

TeeDee on November 16, 2008 at 3:02 PM

I knew about Gov. Palin before McCain picked her, and she can overcome the attacks on ‘08 before ‘12. However, it is time conservatives learn to pick candidates based on their message, capabilities as a candidate, and what the country needs at the time. It is way too early to pick a candidate for 2012.

On the positive side, McCain and Bush no longer have influence in the GOP. The RINO oligarchy needs to be replaced by conservatives, and that seems likely to happen in most cases.

Some changes in networking, and creating grassroots conservative connections to fight off the RINOs and the Paul-droids are needed ASAP.

The RNC needs to change the primaries so that ALL primaries are closed primaries, and Iowa and New Hampshire come later in the contest. If Iowa and NH insist they must come first after coming first for several decades, limit these blue states to one delegate each.

Right_of_Attila on November 16, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Remember Reagan’s 11th Commandment

That’s going to be broken over and over again in the brewing civil war between the blueblood countryclubber Rockefeller Bush Republicans and those who can actually win elections and achieve a minority, the Reagan Republicans.

The latter are the real conservatives, the others a collection of losers who are really happiest when they get invitations to the really cool DC cocktail parties. They couldn’t win a one-man race for dog catcher. All they know is how to cave in to liberals to be “liked.”

Losers, every last one of them.

pdigaudio on November 16, 2008 at 6:06 PM

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