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What turned Ohio blue?

posted at 9:15 am on November 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Some will say Ohio went blue because of Barack Obama’s superior organization, and that may have helped.  Others will say that previous Republican scandals in the Buckeye State ushered in Democratic control, and that made the difference.  That’s closer to the truth, and in more ways than one (via William Amos):

Suspended agency director Helen Jones-Kelley isn’t the only Ohio government employee under investigation for allegedly dabbling in politics on state time.

Three employees of the Ohio Rehabilitation Services Commission are being investigated for possible violations of the federal law that prohibits engaging in political activity on government time or using official resources.

The employees work in the commission’s Bureau of Disability Determination, which rules on applications from Ohioans seeking Social Security disability benefits, said Steve Ostrander, a spokesman for the commission.

On whose behalf did they do this politicking?  Investigators aren’t saying, but the Dispatch gives a big, fat, blue clue:

The union that represents the three, the Ohio Civil Service Employees Association, is part of a coalition of unions that backed Obama, but spokeswoman Sally Meckling said the union hasn’t been informed of the nature of the alleged violations. …

“This highlights that there’s something wrong with the system when the free-speech rights of our members are being violated,” [union executive director Andy] Douglas said. “We believe the First Amendment applies to everyone, including our members.”

The Hatch Act has jurisdiction in this case.  It’s not a First Amendment issue; the workers were free to pursue whatever political action they wanted to take, but not on the state’s time.  The people of Ohio don’t pay public workers to conduct political activism.

The union’s objection speaks volumes here.  I wonder if the union may have organized it themselves, in order to get Obama to flip a key Republican state.  With the example of leadership given by Helen Jones-Kelley, perhaps these employees didn’t need any further motivation.

Final irony: it seems that a few public employees spent public funds in order to support the candidate who broke his promise to use the public financing system.


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jgapinoy on November 13, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Agitprops … ACORN.

tarpon on November 13, 2008 at 9:19 AM

Don’t waste the energy thinking anything will be done by Obama’s DOJ or Ohio to investigate any of this fraud. The horse is so far out of the barn, he’s in the next county. That’s a “blue” county.

sheriff246 on November 13, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Voter registration fraud which led to voters voting 73 times?

becki51758 on November 13, 2008 at 9:24 AM

What turned Ohio blue?

Well, it sure as heck wasn’t the political dishonesty of a few D-sympathizing government apparachniks. What turned ohio blue was the dismal record of the R’s in Ohio, nothing else.

Grow Fins on November 13, 2008 at 9:25 AM

If, and only if, the bloggers stay with these stories (because the MSM has already tossed them into the memory hole) we will find that – without a doubt – Obama’s campaign was the sleaziest and most corrupt in history. Bar none.

The MSM meme is how wonderfully organized they were. Bull. They had organization, sure. They also broke dozens of minor and major ethics/rules/laws knowing they would not be called on it.

Wait. The truth is juuuuust starting to drip out now.

Sugar Land on November 13, 2008 at 9:26 AM

Once again the unions won’t be held responsible…you see, the mafia boss never pulls the trigger.
Boss’s don’t get fired, seldom end up in prison, they have their little underlings do the dirty work. Not unlike the terrorists who send their faithful out to suicide bomb, these guys send their faithful out to commit crimes…but they never “give the orders”.

right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 9:27 AM

Obama won Ohio because he had a vastly superior GOTV system. Republican “victory centers” in Northeast Ohio were ghost towns a fwe weeks before the election. Obama’s were buzzing like crazy.

In addition, there was virtually no McCain TV advertising in Ohio. Again, up here in the northeast part of the state, there were probably 8 or 9 Obama or DNC ads for every McCain or RNC ad. I could go several days during the last few weeks of the election and, unless I was watching Fox News, I wouldn’t see a single McCain ad.

Democrats pulling hijinks like what you’ve described can’t get Obama 100,000 extra votes. Neither can fraud. And neither can a combination of the above.

You want to focus on improper action by Democrats? Take a gander at Minnesota. And keep a sharp eye both on Alaska and Georgia. THAT’S where you’re seeing the fraud that actually counts.

Outlander on November 13, 2008 at 9:30 AM

I agree with pretty much everything said here, but this is a dead horse you’re beating. we care but the media does not. and its not like the people in ohio didn’t know it since it was reported by some in the media about the ACORN fraud. they stilled voted for bambi.

kelley in virginia on November 13, 2008 at 9:33 AM

But wait! Aren’t we supposed to blame RINO’s for everything? Why we loss the presidential election? Why Ohio went blue? Why the Republicans haven’t won a San Francisco mayors race recently? Talk about “compassionate conservationism” and the K Street project, the sadly unpopular war in Iraq, and some Democratic voting chicanery are just efforts to shift the blame from the RINOs.

thuja on November 13, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Its official. Democracy as we have believed it to be has ceased to exist. The leftwing movement will suppress the freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. Ariel Durant said decades ago, “A great civilization cannot be conquered from without until it destroys itself from within.” That was before Obama was even born. How did she know?

volsense on November 13, 2008 at 9:34 AM

righ2bright is probably more right than he realizes. There is no doubt in my mind that it was the Cleveland mafia along with ACORN that caused Ohio to go blue (along with Indiana).

There is no other way to explain it. From my personal experience, everyone that supported Barack Obama here in Ohio, they also supported the casino in Wilmington. The casino issue was absolutely destroyed and rejected by a large majority of Ohioans. Now I know that this is just anecdotal, but it doesn’t make sense to me.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 9:34 AM

GREED is why Ohio went blue. It seems now everyone has there hand out for something. There is a reason there is a commandment about “Coveting your Neighbors Good”. Many people think they are owed something and by voting for Obama they are going to be able to cash in. Just remember: All debts eventually come due.

Tommy_G on November 13, 2008 at 9:35 AM

So, four state employees, working eight hours a day, turned Ohio blue? Sorry, I’m not buying it, Ed.

jim m on November 13, 2008 at 9:37 AM

What turned ohio blue was the dismal record of the R’s in Ohio, nothing else.

Grow Fins on November 13, 2008 a

Nope.

It was the financial meltdown. Mac was doing fine in most of the pre-meltdown polls.

Same reason he lost other red states, more reliable one’s like IN and NC.

artist on November 13, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Dirty politics, ACORN, greed, people drank the Kool-Aid and fell for an empty suit, race, umm…. etc.

Oink on November 13, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Jennifer Brunner said she got death threats. I hope Buckeyes are more reasonable and just vote her crooked ass out of office instead of offing her. Ted Strickland should go, too.

chunderroad on November 13, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Between ACORN, labor union activism, and partisan politicians including Jones Kelley, the Ohio governor, and that corrupt Secretary of State who declared park benches an address- Ohio has a serious leadership problem.

highhopes on November 13, 2008 at 9:40 AM

My brother lives in Cleveland, he’s a big liberal Democrat. He has lived there for 20 yrs working as a machinist getting paid under the table.

He also has not paid federal income takes for that whole time. Isnt that nice?

becki51758 on November 13, 2008 at 9:40 AM

How long will it take for the Dems to throw Jones-Kelley under the bus?

roux on November 13, 2008 at 9:41 AM

artist on November 13, 2008 at 9:37 AM

It was the financial house of cards built by the Democrats starting with Clinton that continued on and on until the Democrats decided they couldn’t win without destroying the house of cards. Shame on the GOP for not jumping up and down and screaming DAILY if they knew this FM/FM deal was a disaster in the making.

After that happened, it wouldn’t have mattered WHO the GOP candidate would have been. They weren’t going to win.

The GOP leadership has been lax to say the least and I expect greatness from them now and they’d better deliver quickly or they won’t be back in control for a generation.

Oink on November 13, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Economic collapse in September,loss of jobs,Republican corruption and spending,GOP lack of clear message on improving economy,jobs,accomplishments of the last 8 yrs.(War on Terror,strong economy for 7 yrs.),and should have done a better job of hanging this Fannie/Freddie failure around the liberals necks where it belongs.

If the GOP does not harness new transfers of information to the public,the democrats are going to be able to get away with all kinds of corruption and failure.

We saw the dems and their friends in the media just push a failed community organizer into the White House American Idol style.

Now they are going to work to give him credit for the achievements of the Bush administration,spin his failures and broken promises into a “blame Bush” for everything even
when he is gone,and tell everybody that if they give them “another” 4 yrs.,that Obama will be able to keep his promises then.

This post is a good example of American Pravda serving their leader:

The New Obama Rules

http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-obama-rules.html

Given the MSM’s track record as one arm of the Democrat national Committee and the official cheering section of the Obama campaign, it’s little wonder that now that “The One” has been elected bad news is good news.

Exhibit A is the headline that accompanied a recent bombing in Iraq that killed scores of people. Since the US invasion of Iraq, the Obamamedia have used violence as a metric of how badly things were going.

But now that Bush is on the way out and Obama is on the way in:
Iraq bombings show progress, challenges
It’s a measure of progress that today’s blasts, which killed at least 31 people in Baghdad and more elsewhere, according to the Associated Press, represented the worst day of violence since June.

Yes, believe it or not, bomb blast show how wonderful that world is now that Obama has been elected.

This is lick spittle reporting at it’s finest. You can’t make this stuff up folks.

If you thought that the media would try to reclaim the mantle of objectivity, you are fooling yourself. Obama has done no wrong in the past and will do no wrong in the future. I wrote about this in Governing From The Center.

As evidence, exhibit B:
Obama Won’t Meet Everybody’s Expectations
This is Newsweek’s’ preemptive strike in anticipation of Obama failures. The rock star who received the adulation of hundred of thousand of Europe’s youth will, according to Newsweek, not get the world to love us:
America’s allies got the candidate they overwhelmingly preferred, but that doesn’t necessarily mean America’s relationships with the globe will warm instantly. In fact, history is strewn with rock-star presidents whose first years were terrific disappointments for U.S. allies.
But we were told that Obama was the One that the world was waiting for. What do other Presidents have to do with the global adulation he received even before he was elected? His mere presence electrified all of Europe. What could he possibly do to disappoint the world? Newsweek goes on to list a few items that Obama promised and suggest he won’t do as he promised. But these are all within the power of a President whose party controls both houses of Congress. So what is Newsweek trying to tell us?

And then there’s exhibit C. If you remember nothing of the Obama campaign, you remember that he promised 95% of the American people a tax cut. Now we get this APObama headline:
AP poll: Public seems willing to wait on tax cuts
Why in the world would the MSM poll this question? Here’s the story:
People want the tax cuts promised during the presidential campaign, but may be willing to wait while President-elect Obama takes on the larger issue of fixing the economy.

Eighty percent say trimming personal tax rates should be a goal when the new president takes office in January, but only 36 percent say the cuts should a very top priority, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll. That was less than half the 84 percent who cited improving the economy as a No. 1 goal, and the 80 percent who said creating jobs should be a paramount task.

“I don’t think it’s going to work in this instance,” said Ryan Anderson, 31, a Democrat from Bloomington, Minn., who thinks tax reductions would have little impact on most families’ budgets. “That’s kind of like shooting a BB gun at a freight train.”

Obama promised to cut taxes for working families during the campaign.
Obama didn’t simply promise to cut taxes, he pounded, pounded, pounded the theme that 95% of the American people would get a tax cut.

The theme is obvious, someone has leaked to the AP that the primary economic promise of the Obama campaign – that 95% of the American people will see their taxes cut – is not going to happen. And the AP dutifully commissions a poll that tells us that that’s all right; “the people” really didn’t want a tax cut.

So the ObamaMedia are preparing the American people for the future. In the future there are two rules. The first rule is that whatever Obama does is right. The second rule is that if he screws up, lies, or fails to deliver refer to rule one.

Republicans better get into fight mode and out of “get to the center mode” or all of Obama’s 57 states are going to be
blue.

Baxter Greene on November 13, 2008 at 9:41 AM

So, four state employees, working eight hours a day, turned Ohio blue? Sorry, I’m not buying it, Ed.

jim m on November 13, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Probably just the tip of the iceberg, Jim. This election was bought, stolen and paid for by the enemies of democracy and capitalism…George Soros and his evil minions.

Jarhead68 on November 13, 2008 at 9:43 AM

I new that Ohio was in trouble when we put an extreme leftist like Sherrod Brown into the Senate. Sherrod Brown may have been fine for his extreme liberal constituents in Northeast Ohio, but not for the rest of Ohio.

Northeast Ohio is the fastest dying part of the state and guess who runs and represents the Northeast? The unions, the mafia, and the Democrats (I know they are all the same).

MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 9:44 AM

I thought conservatives despised victimhood. But it seems to me that you’re seeking it out and clinging to it for dear life.

Look, Obama was a superior candidate. You lost because Bush’s policies Republican corruption over the past eight years and opened the door for someone like Obama – smart politician with a unifying and inspiring message and alternate policy proposals – to win the White House.

You lost because Republicans nominated a candidate most of the their base hates, so they just spent the entire campaign bashing a guy most Americans like. You lost because we tried Republicans policies for the past eight years and it’s pretty apparent most of them have failed. You’ve got nothing new to offer.

I’m kind of astounded that you’re actually trying to blame a handful of cases of state officials “politicking” on state time for Ohio going blue. It’s a pathetic attempt to avoid the stark reality of this election for conservatives and to embrace the culture of victimhood.

Speaking of which, where are the reports of the widespread voter fraud perpetrated by ACORN?

Tom_Shipley on November 13, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Obama won because he commanded an extensive and effective propaganda machine known as the mainstream media. This fundamental capability coupled with a well-organized psychological warfare blitz brought people to the polls and dictated their vote. If conservatives want to win in the next elections they must beat the left with their own weapons by influencing attitudes and changing behaviors. The country can be equated to a big “Skinner box” and the use of positive reinforcement is always much more effective than negativism in any form. As reinforcement the Democrats promised government handouts, relief from personal debt and a warm fuzzy feeling wrapped in “Hope and Change”. Now, the other side must find a way to win back the populace by promising something better. By the time Obama and his gang finish their four years, something better shouldn’t be too hard to find and sell.

rplat on November 13, 2008 at 9:45 AM

What turned Ohio blue?

The political abilities of the candidates.

Valiant on November 13, 2008 at 9:46 AM

To add to what Outlander said, reporting from Cleveland:

Though I don’t doubt there was fraud (see, e.g., the Brownlee Avenue house, ACORN), I do believe Obama would have won anyway. My bus goes past the county election office every day, and for more than a week ahead of time there were two-hour lines around the building in the pouring rain to vote… for Obama. I realize it’s a deep blue city and county, but my point is a lot of people really, really wanted Obama to win and made it happen. Every other voter outside of Cleveland and Toledo would have had to have turned out to vote for McCain, and apparently they didn’t. Meanwhile, people on my bus who literally couldn’t even name “the other guy” (aka McCain) got themselves to the polls.

I’d also add the “loser mentality” in Ohio as a factor. It’s a rust belt area and many just want their government handout. Steel’s not coming back, auto plants aren’t coming back, we give up, where’s my check?

saint kansas on November 13, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Ohio went blue because (I have it on good authority, John Murtha) the people are dumb.

There’s something wrong with people if they can’t figure out that union’s cause people to lose their jobs. Funny the union people never seem to lose theirs.

moonsbreath on November 13, 2008 at 9:47 AM

Not what. Who.

Bush, Cheney, McCain and Palin.

Next.

Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 9:48 AM

Yup, keep picking through the entrails looking for bits so as to avoid the obvious. The repubs lost in 06 and 08 for the two reasons that even exiting polling point to. Excessive spending and growth of the government under repub stewardship. It had nothing to do with the war, religion, abortion, gay marriage or any of the other qualifiers that folks want to pretend cost the election.

The cause is very simple but it is the cure that is very painful. Very few repubs on the state or federal level even believe in the two core issues that define the repub party. Hell very few commentators at this site believe it.

The only way repubs/conservatives are getting back into the congress is if dems outspend them. They are certainly not getting back in by reducing spending etc. Listen to the pulp fiction put out by Steele and others. Lots of twaddle about who we are bullshit.

Balance the budget and halt the expansion of government and you will be in power forever on the federal level.

patrick neid on November 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM

drywall, your Canadian, shut up. I live in the state of Ohio. I think I know more than you about this little man.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM

drywall, your you’re Canadian, shut up. I live in the state of Ohio. I think I know more than you about this little man.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM

MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 9:50 AM

What turned Ohio blue? Non existent voters (i.e., dead people, disney characters, and made-up names.)

Sickening. This was a stolen election. Now we have a stolen nation.

ErinF on November 13, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Ohio went blue because (I have it on good authority, John Murtha) the people are dumb.

Exactly! Marxism is all about the stupification of the masses. Olinsky’s star student has done him proud. Now the stupids will sit and wait for their handouts.

ErinF on November 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Every single Ohio county voted more blue this time around than they did for Bush or Gore. It’s just time to face facts. The GOP were rejected. It wasn’t ACORN, it wasn’t three or four state employees. In deeply red counties Obama shrunk the GOP margin, in formerly blue counties he exploded the margin. When will your side just cop to the failures and start figuring out why they happened instead of spinning, spinning, spinning.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Probably just the tip of the iceberg, Jim. This election was bought, stolen and paid for by the enemies of democracy and capitalism…George Soros and his evil minions.

Jarhead68 on November 13, 2008 at 9:43 AM

I agree but what are we going to do about? What’s the point in having elections if the Dems are just going to steal them all with ballots taken from people trunks and what not.

Kjeil on November 13, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Obama didn’t win Ohio

Ms Brunner and ACORN did.

You cannot recouncile (or at least I can’t) election day reports of mammoth turnouts with poll reports of low vote counts without invoking vote cheating.

Paul Murphy on November 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM

I live in SW Ohio. The 4 local counties here carried enough votes in 2004 to offset the rest of the state. George Bush had a rally of 55,000 people in my county in 2004. The McCain camp ignored this area. They didn’t contact the local politicians that could have helped them here. The true conservatives of Ohio (in large numbers) live here. It almost seems McCain either wanted to lose or he didn’t want the conservatives.

tanmany2k on November 13, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Ohio turned blue a long time ago. Bush barely won it in 2000. The better question is why Bush won Ohio in 2004. It was because they got a gay marriage initiative on the ballot, which drove the evangelical vote to stratospheric levels. These folks had nothing to vote for this time around and stayed home. McCain and even Palin did not inspire them. By and large these are voters who vote for causes and not for people. Karl Rove managed to harness them for one election. It was an illusion and will never happen again.

A lot of you hardcore conservatives need to wake up and smell the coffee. Either we broaden the appeal of the Republican Party, especially to young people and minorities, or we will never see another Republican President. We have to allow our candidates to move to the center in the general election, and stop with all the RINO crap. After we win, we can hold the president’s feet to the fire for conservative policies. But we have to win first. Democrats finally figured this out in 2008 and that is why they won. They turned a hardcore leftwing community organizer into a tax cutter and a family values Christian. And we wonder why he won Ohio?

I am coming to the conclusion that it is the hardcore conservatives who are the RINOs. They don’t really care about the health of the Republican Party or winning elections, they care only about the ideological purity of whoever is in charge or on the ballot. That’s a Republican In Name Only if you ask me. You all have developed a recipe for a nice regional party with about 10 states in it.

rockmom on November 13, 2008 at 9:58 AM

rockmom, you are wrong, we had something to vote against. The casino issue was on the ballot and it lost BIG. This is why I say it was fraud.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 10:02 AM

The Republicans have to teach the people that the Unions kill jobs. Just look at Detroit. I haven’t heard one Republican say the Unions have killed the auto industry.

Until you re-educate the masses, and show them that it’s the Democrats and the Unions, this same show will be replayed over and over again.

I can even tie in the failure of John McCain’s campaign. He never tied in the job loss or the economy to the Democrats and the Unions.

Also, on Cavuto’s show last week, they showed construction lost a lot of jobs. How many of those jobs lost were jobs held by illegals? I haven’t heard that number either.

moonsbreath on November 13, 2008 at 10:03 AM

drywall, you’re Canadian, shut up. I live in the state of Ohio. I think I know more than you about this little man.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 9:50 AM
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That you and all the other yahoos around here choose to ignore the elephant in the room shows your detachment from reality.

But I truly hope you continue to do so because the GOP won’t improve its chances in 2012 with this obliviousness.

So please please please keep crybabying about ACORN, dead voters and the MSM conspiracy.

Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM

rockmom, you are also wrong about everything else. A RINO is someone who doesn’t compromise their core beliefs? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense…

MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Ohio is not blue yet. I really hope the online activists remember what Governor Strickland and Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner have done when they are up for re-election in 2010 – us Republicans in Ohio will need serious support in order to defeat them. That means monetary support and boots on the ground.

Tabris on November 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM

It almost seems McCain either wanted to lose or he didn’t want the conservatives.
tanmany2k on November 13, 2008 at 9:57 AM

BINGO! McCain didn’t want the conservatives because he’s a centrist leaning towards the left.

moonsbreath on November 13, 2008 at 10:07 AM

What turned Ohio blue? This is a joke right? ACORN.

angryed on November 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Here in NW Ohio (Toledo) I did see a vastly superior Democratic ground campaign. Dems had a get out the vote strategy — knocking on people’s doors with a van ready to drive them to early voting.

The local media were solidly in the tank for Dear Leader. Toledo Blade kept (and keeps) hammering on Sarah’s clothing and Joe the Plumber in a negative way. Quite dishonestly too, making up some facts and ignoring others. Did you know JtP’s real first name is Sam?

The Lucas County Republican Party is a joke and has been for quite a while, there were about a dozen or more local elections that had only one candidate, a Democrat, running.

Previous Republican scandals also hurt, the Republican brand right now is at the Edsel level, there needs to be fresh new faces. Coupled that with a lack of statewide races meant a depressed Republican turnout.

Anyone know the change in registered Republicans voting from 2004 to 2008. I would suspect there is a significant decrease though not enough to by itself having turned Ohio around.

rbj on November 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Their free speech rights weren’t violated. I don’t know anyone in a public or private sector job (unless it’s a campaign related job) that is allowed to campaign on the boss’ dime.

My mom works for FEMA and was deployed to TX at the time of the elections. I sent her information about making calls for McCain and she said she’d have to do it before or after work so she didn’t violate Federal law. She wouldn’t even do it on her lunch break to make sure that there was no violation. Adults follow the rules they’ve agreed to. Children agree to rules, then break them, then whine about the rules being unfair. People need to grow up.

JadeNYU on November 13, 2008 at 10:16 AM

I am originally from Ohio,in fact I cast my absentee ballot there. I was fearful that it would not be counted and made sure to write my representatives including suggestions that the registrations turned in by ACORN should be double checked against ss numbers and such. My husband is in the military-he has served honorably for 23 years-we have been married for those same 23 years. I have stood by and witnessed the local governments in Ohio dive into a pit of corruption and scandal. Joe the Plumber’s ordeal sent me over the top with paranoia about my own privacy rights.

Thank God we are in Kansas and have settled here in Red Country. My daughters go to liberal colleges and the school system here also seems intent on indoctrinating liberal views, but I would have to say the the families here overall cling to the conservative family values. I am proud to say those values are highly evident in the minds of young students here. I am looking forward to 2010 and 2012.

canditaylor68 on November 13, 2008 at 10:19 AM

cling

Hey, you said it, not me……

Grow Fins on November 13, 2008 at 10:26 AM

canditaylor68,

I wouldn’t get too complacent if I were you.

Montana used to be a solid red state, like Kansas. Then Californians started moving in. And now Montana has a Dem governor, 2 Dem senators and came within inches of going for Obama.

angryed on November 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM

angryed
Never complacent. Always diligent to guard against indoctrination here. Many of these families do not want big government intrusion into their lives nor the invasion and overrunning of privacy rights. We do enjoy our guns and religion and held up majority red even though the democrats promised welfare for all. We will always stay aware and inform our children. Will it ever be enough, probably not. The best defense is a good offense.

canditaylor68 on November 13, 2008 at 10:43 AM

I am coming to the conclusion that it is the hardcore conservatives who are the RINOs. They don’t really care about the health of the Republican Party or winning elections, they care only about the ideological purity of whoever is in charge or on the ballot. That’s a Republican In Name Only if you ask me. You all have developed a recipe for a nice regional party with about 10 states in it.

rockmom on November 13, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Well, nobody did ask you. That’s a good thing since your comments show you to be crazy as a loon. What you sneer at as “ideological purity” is called values, principles, and ethics. Something the RINO crowd abandoned years ago when they adopted a “go along to get along” approach to deal with liberals. Instead of standing up for the GOP’s values they threw the party under the bus. RINO is nothing but shorthand for rat bastard traitor.

And, for the record, I’d rather have a “regional” party which stands for something than a McCain/RINO coalition that stands for absolutely nothing. The irony is that the GOP will dominate if it throws out RINOs and other traitors and starts with a real agenda, a real vision, and a platform that isn’t Dem-lite.

highhopes on November 13, 2008 at 10:45 AM

There have certainly been some shenanigans a la Brunner, but lets not become like the Kos Kids and start going on about this election was stolen. Its as silly as when they screamed that Bush stole the state in 2004.

I live in NE Ohio and worked in the victory centers. They were not ghost towns, but I had the feeling they weren’t as well organized as in 2004 for Bush. Also, it wasn’t until the last weekend that I saw or heard any RNC or McCain ads. You could hardly go 1 commercial break without an Obama ad. It was all Obama, all the time, for weeks.

Former GOP governor Bob Taft gave the GOP a very bad name running up to the 2006 elections. The overall mood of the country towards the GOP didnt help either. We lost the governorship and 1 senate seat to the dems.

Thats why Ohio went blue.

Its rebuilding time folks. Luckily, John Kasich will probably run for governor in ‘10 and will probably win. He is extremely popular and a great conservative. Voinovich (R) will probably hold his Senate seat against Brunner, of all people. Then we will need a good candidate to take back the Senate seat in ‘12, hopefully with a recharged GOP.

Lets just knock off the conspiracy theories.

KeepOhioRed on November 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM

So please please please keep crybabying about ACORN, dead voters and the MSM conspiracy.
Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM

This is hilarious coming from liberals who gave us such crap as this for the last 8 yrs.

Bush lied.
Bush/Cheney went to war for Haliburton
Bush did 9/11
Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans.
Bush dosen’t like black people,that is why he let the hurricane destroy New Orleans.
Bush stole the 2000 election
Bush stole the 2004 election
Bush is listening in on our phone calls
Bush tortures people
Bush is Hitler
Bush is a dictator….on …and … on.

You need to clean up your back yard before you start telling other people how to handle theirs dumba$$.

Only an ignorant idiot could claim that the MSM is not in the tank for the democrats.Even they admit it genius:

An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage
By Deborah Howell
Sunday, November 9, 2008; B06
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/07/AR2008110702895_pf.html

The Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts.

Remember how all you liberals love talking about the “will of the majority”.Well the vast majority of this country disagrees with you liberal:

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win
http://people-press.org/report/463/media-wants-obama
Summary of Findings

Voters overwhelmingly believe that the media wants Barack Obama to win the presidential election. By a margin of 70%-9%, Americans say most journalists want to see Obama, not John McCain, win on Nov. 4. Another 8% say journalists don’t favor either candidate, and 13% say they don’t know which candidate most reporters support.

This is exactly where the media is,Chris is just to dumb to keep denying it.
Matthews: My Job Is To Make Obama Presidency a Success

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Yeah, well, you know what? I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work, and I think that –
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Is that your job? You just talked about being a journalist!
MATTHEWS: Yeah, it is my job. My job is to help this country.

Yea,Acorn is the big nothing to democrats who have cried and screamed that Bush stole 2000/2004 elections without one
single shred of proof.
But we get hundreds of thousands of fake registrations,and testimony from Acorn workers that they are told to get people to vote more than once and vote Obama(with the help of hundreds of thousands of dollars from their campaign)and
dipsh!t liberals like shipley and drywall all of a sudden don’t see anything wrong with the voting system,no “diebold”
conspiracies when democrats win:

POLITICS: Obama and the Integrity Gap: ACORN
Chapter four of seven.
C. ACORN
http://baseballcrank.com/archives2/2008/10/war_the_grievin.php

ACORN’s rap sheet for voter fraud alone is extensive. This is “an organization that has a “decade long history of voter fraud, embezzlement and misuses of taxpayer funds” that Consumer Rights League Chief Public Advocate, James Terry testified about last month to the House Judiciary.” For example: flagrantly fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada; “5,000 ACORN registrants in St. Louis were sent letters by election officials asking the recipient to contact them. Fewer than 40 responded”; “In Kansas City, 15,000 ACORN registrations have been questioned and in November, 4 ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. Additionally ACORN officials have been indicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and there are on-going investigations in Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.” * * * * * * * * * * * *

Obama could not be more closely tied to ACORN if he was an oak tree:
Meeting last November with the leaders of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn) – the nationwide network of left-wing community groups that taps government money for a host of causes – Obama declared: “I’ve been fighting alongside Acorn on issues you care about my entire career,” including representing Acorn in a court case in Illinois. Acorn members apparently reciprocated by working hard to turn out voters for Obama’s Illinois campaigns, according to a 2003 piece in the magazine Social Policy by a Chicago-area Acorn organizer. After the candidate’s November appearance, Acorn’s affiliated political action committee endorsed Obama for president.

The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud
October 14, 2008 – by Jim Hoft
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/

Further igniting the voter fraud/voter registration debate was the news that a national community organizing group is being investigated in at least 14 states and several swing states for massive irregularities. This news would make headlines anyway, but what made it worse was that Barack Obama was a key player in this organization, the [3] Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, in the past. Obama [4] trained its local leaders, [5] represented the organization in court, and worked to [6] funnel funds to the organization. The Obama campaign also [7] donated $800,000 this year to an ACORN affiliate.

The facts are overwhelming except to super intelligent liberals like shipley and drywall.They have more important
issues to investigate like Palin’s tanning bed or whether she really is the mother of Trig.

Getting a lecture from idiot liberals like these about sticking to “legitimate issues” is about as dumb as saying that a failed community organizer whose only accomplishment is writing two books about himself is going to bring “hope and change” to the world.

Baxter Greene on November 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM

So please please please keep crybabying about ACORN, dead voters and the MSM conspiracy.
Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM

This is hilarious coming from liberals who gave us such crap as this for the last 8 yrs.

Bush lied.
Bush/Cheney went to war for Haliburton
Bush did 9/11
Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans.
Bush dosen’t like black people,that is why he let the hurricane destroy New Orleans.
Bush stole the 2000 election
Bush stole the 2004 election
Bush is listening in on our phone calls
Bush tortures people
Bush is Hitler
Bush is a dictator….on …and … on.

You need to clean up your back yard before you start telling other people how to handle theirs dumba$$.

Only an ignorant idiot could claim that the MSM is not in the tank for the democrats.Even they admit it genius:

An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage
By Deborah Howell
Sunday, November 9, 2008; B06
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/07/AR2008110702895_pf.html

The Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts.

Remember how all you liberals love talking about the “will of the majority”.Well the vast majority of this country disagrees with you liberal:

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win
http://people-press.org/report/463/media-wants-obama
Summary of Findings

Voters overwhelmingly believe that the media wants Barack Obama to win the presidential election. By a margin of 70%-9%, Americans say most journalists want to see Obama, not John McCain, win on Nov. 4. Another 8% say journalists don’t favor either candidate, and 13% say they don’t know which candidate most reporters support.

This is exactly where the media is,Chris is just to dumb to keep denying it.
Matthews: My Job Is To Make Obama Presidency a Success

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Yeah, well, you know what? I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work, and I think that –
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Is that your job? You just talked about being a journalist!
MATTHEWS: Yeah, it is my job. My job is to help this country.

Yea,Acorn is the big nothing to democrats who have cried and screamed that Bush stole 2000/2004 elections without one
single shred of proof.
But we get hundreds of thousands of fake registrations,and testimony from Acorn workers that they are told to get people to vote more than once and vote Obama(with the help of hundreds of thousands of dollars from their campaign)and
dipsh!t liberals like shipley and drywall all of a sudden don’t see anything wrong with the voting system,no “diebold”
conspiracies when democrats win:

POLITICS: Obama and the Integrity Gap: ACORN
Chapter four of seven.
C. ACORN

ACORN’s rap sheet for voter fraud alone is extensive. This is “an organization that has a “decade long history of voter fraud, embezzlement and misuses of taxpayer funds” that Consumer Rights League Chief Public Advocate, James Terry testified about last month to the House Judiciary.” For example: flagrantly fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada; “5,000 ACORN registrants in St. Louis were sent letters by election officials asking the recipient to contact them. Fewer than 40 responded”; “In Kansas City, 15,000 ACORN registrations have been questioned and in November, 4 ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. Additionally ACORN officials have been indicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and there are on-going investigations in Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.” * * * * * * * * * * * *

Obama could not be more closely tied to ACORN if he was an oak tree:
Meeting last November with the leaders of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn) – the nationwide network of left-wing community groups that taps government money for a host of causes – Obama declared: “I’ve been fighting alongside Acorn on issues you care about my entire career,” including representing Acorn in a court case in Illinois. Acorn members apparently reciprocated by working hard to turn out voters for Obama’s Illinois campaigns, according to a 2003 piece in the magazine Social Policy by a Chicago-area Acorn organizer. After the candidate’s November appearance, Acorn’s affiliated political action committee endorsed Obama for president.

The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud
October 14, 2008 – by Jim Hoft
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/

Further igniting the voter fraud/voter registration debate was the news that a national community organizing group is being investigated in at least 14 states and several swing states for massive irregularities. This news would make headlines anyway, but what made it worse was that Barack Obama was a key player in this organization, the [3] Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, in the past. Obama [4] trained its local leaders, [5] represented the organization in court, and worked to [6] funnel funds to the organization. The Obama campaign also [7] donated $800,000 this year to an ACORN affiliate.

The facts are overwhelming except to super intelligent liberals like shipley and drywall.They have more important
issues to investigate like Palin’s tanning bed or whether she really is the mother of Trig.

Getting a lecture from idiot liberals like these about sticking to “legitimate issues” is about as dumb as saying that a failed community organizer whose only accomplishment is writing two books about himself is going to bring “hope and change” to the world.

Baxter Greene on November 13, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Most Voters Say News Media Wanted Obama to Win

fixed

Tom_Shipley on November 13, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Just more Democratic “nuance”. What conservatives call “bull shit”.

GarandFan on November 13, 2008 at 11:07 AM

And, for the record, I’d rather have a “regional” party which stands for something than a McCain/RINO coalition that stands for absolutely nothing. The irony is that the GOP will dominate if it throws out RINOs and other traitors and starts with a real agenda, a real vision, and a platform that isn’t Dem-lite.

highhopes on November 13, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Great. As I’ve said to you before, enjoy having your party meetings in a phone booth. I’ve been there, in the mid 1970s, and it isn’t fun.

Republicans now have only three House seats in districts won by Obama or Kerry. One of them is Jim Gerlach, a great guy and pretty conservative, but of course you would define him as a RINO and not care if he lost.

Democrats now hold 81 seats in districts won by Bush in 2004. Do you really think the Republicans have lost that many seats because the candidates were not conservative enough? Do you think “base” Democrats are agitating constantly to get rid of all these “DINOs”, or do you think they are still drunk today celebrating their great victory?

rockmom on November 13, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Loopholes. Lots of students “moved” to Ohio for 30 days to vote there.

Elizabetty on November 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Nothing turned Ohio blue, the red people just didn’t show up. Despite ACORN and the hype Obama got less votes than Kerry did in ‘04.

We need to face the fact that President Bush and the economy were the two reasons we lost.

JDScott on November 13, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Why? George Bush. Obviously.

okonkolo on November 13, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Bush lied.
Bush/Cheney went to war for Haliburton
Bush did 9/11
Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans.
Bush dosen’t like black people,that is why he let the hurricane destroy New Orleans.
Bush stole the 2000 election
Bush stole the 2004 election
Bush is listening in on our phone calls
Bush tortures people
Bush is Hitler
Bush is a dictator….on …and … on.

You need to clean up your back yard before you start telling other people how to handle theirs dumba$$.

Baxter Greene on November 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM
—–

Dear Captain Dumba$$

Except for Bush manipulating intelligence to build his case for invading Iraw and the torture issue, your list is in stupid tin foil hat land.

You conveniently left out the real reasons people dumped the GOP this election. Hmmm – probably because you’re in a whimpering state of denial like a lot of other yahoos around here. You probably don’t think there’s anything wrong with how your country has fared over he past 8 years.

You’re doing exactly what I want you to do to keep your party out of the white house in 2012: continuing to not have a clue.

Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM

How about nothing turned OHIO blue.
Voter turnout in Ohio dropped 400,000 from 5.6 to 5.2 million. Obama recieved 30,000 less votes than John kerry did in 2004 when he lost. Bush got 150,000 more votes than Obama.

What happened in Ohio? Less people hated Obama than hated McCain. They chose the Giant Douche over the Shit Sandwich.

Rocks on November 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM

A lie repeated enough times becomes truth, right?

Anyway, another of the reasons Republicans lost was because the leader at the top of the ballot wasn’t ready to do what it took to win: voter fraud (Ohio was particularly good at it), illegal fund raising, voter intimidation, etc. As a lame duck, Bush is doing a particularly good job of screwing up more opportunities to shaft BO (how about leaving a few special prosecutors in place for Rezko, Acorn, and campaign finance cheating?) and the rest of you leftard, anti-american slime.

Republicans never really realized that Democrats were a worse threat to this country than AQ. Maybe the next generation rising from the ashes of the bi-partisan country club Republicans will realize that and act accordingly. Certainly the grassroots understand that fact.

iconoclast on November 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Most Voters Say News Media Wanted Obama to Win

fixed

Tom_Shipley on November 13, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Done like a true liberal.Change or disregard the facts,cut and paste to fit your empty rhetoric.

The vast majority of the MSM is nothing more than an activists group for the democratic party.

The vast majority of the American people see this.
In 6 months to a year,it will be obvious that Obama can’t keep any of his campaign promises.The economy will still be in a free fall,little to no new jobs,higher taxes and massive spending,with international leaders exposing Obama for the empty poser that he is.This spinning,cutting and pasting is not going to save the MSM or the people’s temple of Obama and it’s followers.

demcrats can’t sit on the sidelines crying and pointing fingers now,they have a lot of
promises to keep.

A lot of people waiting for Obama to pay their mortgages,gas,and bring peace to the world.

Noted imbecile Mark Morford: Obama is a “Lightworker,” an “enlightened being”
posted at 5:28 pm on June 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/06/noted-imbecile-mark-morford-obama-is-a-lightworker-an-enlightened-being/

Here’s where it gets gooey. Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul.

YES,THE PEOPLES TEMPLE OF OBAMA HAS A LOT TO LIVE UP TO,DON’T LET DOWN THE CHILDREN:

The One or Dear Leader?
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

Ahh Yes,the savior to all of the super intelligent liberals
that are far to superior to fall into guns and religion have found their true leader:

A reader took this picture today at a street fair at Hayes and Octavia in San Francisco, of all places:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTQzNWU3YjliYzQwNDQwYjE1Y2U0MzA5NjU1MTYyZWY=

Who knew being a community organizer held such high ranking
with the superior elites that make up the democratic party.

These idiots call Bush and Palin religious extremist.

Baxter Greene on November 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM

iconoclast on November 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM
———-
Thanks for feeling this way – you’re helping the Dems more than you’re helping your own party. You put forth a lame ticket that energized the base but fooled nobody beyond that. Until you figure out why that was, your party is going nowhere n 2012.

And by the way, “anti-American” is such a tired, stupid gasbag phrase that means nothing.

Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Unions were yesterdays solution that have become today’s problem. For them to protect people that are guilty of stealing the taxpayers time and resources by participating in partisan politics is absolutely wrong and a good reason to resist any attempts at further unionization. While on the job it is a violation of state law for an employee to do anything else but their job, PERIOD. Have no mercy.

DL13 on November 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Continue to ignore voter fraud and keep denying it played a part in this election and many other past elections. It amazes me that people talk about it with righteous indignation right before the election and then forget it happened after the election. There are elections all over this country every year that boil down to a few votes between winning and losing. I’ve seen it first hand. Do you want the dead people or the one man with 73 votes deciding those elections? I don’t.

Done That on November 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Its a wonder there’s a single republican in the entire govt

Bevan on November 13, 2008 at 12:36 PM

That man had 73 registrations to vote. That doesn’t mean he voted 73 times.

jim m on November 13, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Were these people black as was Kelley? Just asking!

jeanie on November 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Except for Bush manipulating intelligence to build his case for invading Iraw and the torture issue, your list is in stupid tin foil hat land.
Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Hey genius,if you could pull your head out of john stewart’s
a$$ long enough,you might want to read:

The 2003 Senate intelligence report
9/11 commission report
The Butler report
2008 Senate intelligence report(chaired by a majority of democrats)

That all stated plain enough for even you to understand that Bush neither lied nor manipulated pre-war intelligence.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-kirchick16-2008jun16,0,4808346.story
From the Los Angeles Times
Bush never lied to us about Iraq
The administration simply got bad intelligence. Critics are wrong to assert deception.
By James Kirchick

Yet in spite of all the accusations of White House “manipulation” — that it pressured intelligence analysts into connecting Hussein and Al Qaeda and concocted evidence about weapons of mass destruction — administration critics continually demonstrate an inability to distinguish making claims based on flawed intelligence from knowingly propagating falsehoods.

In 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee unanimously approved a report acknowledging that it “did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments.” The following year, the bipartisan Robb-Silberman report similarly found “no indication that the intelligence community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.”

‘Bush Lied’? If Only It Were That Simple.
By Fred Hiatt
Monday, June 9, 2008; Page A17
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/08/AR2008060801687.html

As you read through the report, you begin to think maybe you’ve mistakenly picked up the minority dissent. But, no, this is the Rockefeller indictment. So, you think, the smoking gun must appear in the section on Bush’s claims about Saddam Hussein’s alleged ties to terrorism.
But statements regarding Iraq’s support for terrorist groups other than al-Qaeda “were substantiated by intelligence information.” Statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other terrorists with ties to al-Qaeda “were substantiated by the intelligence assessments,” and statements regarding Iraq’s contacts with al-Qaeda “were substantiated by intelligence information.” The report is left to complain about “implications” and statements that “left the impression” that those contacts led to substantive Iraqi cooperation.

But the phony “Bush lied” story line distracts from the biggest prewar failure: the fact that so much of the intelligence upon which Bush and Rockefeller and everyone else relied turned out to be tragically, catastrophically wrong.

Of course facts don’t matter to idiots like you.

And I agree with you,that list is in “stupid tinfoil hat mode”.It is a list that represents all the ignorant stupidity from people like you that make up the democratic party.That list was the bed you and your liberal friends made, not anybody else.

Baxter Greene on November 13, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Look, Obama was a superior candidate. You lost because Bush’s policies Republican corruption over the past eight years and opened the door for someone like Obama – smart politician with a unifying and inspiring message and alternate policy proposals – to win the White House.

You lost because Republicans nominated a candidate most of the their base hates, so they just spent the entire campaign bashing a guy most Americans like. You lost because we tried Republicans policies for the past eight years and it’s pretty apparent most of them have failed. You’ve got nothing new to offer.

We lost because we had a candidate that tried to be honorable running against a candidate that had no honor. You cannot win by taking the high road if your opponent is in the gutter. Add in a grossly negligent, complicit media and a populace of greedy, envious morons and there is your reason for Obama winning.

mrsmwp on November 13, 2008 at 12:54 PM

The realization that the Republicans no longer were with them, combined with the ability to overcome the “-but-but overpaid union workers!” excuse are large parts of what turned Ohio blue. The lies of prosperity through faulty trade policy also helped turn Ohio blue. It was only a matter of time before the offshoring practices of 2003 and onward would deliver the final blow. 2006 should have been a warning, 2008 was the reckoning of ~30 years of harm across many professions.

If they want to know where they could regain a deeply lost trust, they may want to look to Mike Turner and his history. Or they can continue to use the other well-known GOP retreads in Ohio and hope nobody remembers what happened.

As for the casino issue, there are some regrets courtesy of those who voted no and are facing layoffs at DHL.

To put it in more familiar terms, Reaganism no longer sells here. The market for it here has dried up save for an ignorable audience. Prosperity will have to be non-adversarial to Main Street of Ohio; it will have to be able to offer something useful to the displaced and remaining workers as much as it would to the businesses that venerate Wall Street.

sethstorm on November 13, 2008 at 1:19 PM

We lost because we had a candidate that tried to be honorable running against a candidate that had no honor.

His honor was confined to his military conduct. With regards to his economic policy, there was no honor to be found.

Ohio wanted something that was 30 years in the making, and they wished to deliver to McCain what business has done for ages.

sethstorm on November 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM

The realization that the Republicans no longer were with them, combined with the ability to overcome the “-but-but overpaid union workers!” excuse are large parts of what turned Ohio blue. The lies of prosperity through faulty trade policy also helped turn Ohio blue. It was only a matter of time before the offshoring practices of 2003 and onward would deliver the final blow. 2006 should have been a warning, 2008 was the reckoning of ~30 years of harm across many professions.

If they want to know where they could regain a deeply lost trust, they may want to look to Mike Turner and his history. Or they can continue to use the other well-known GOP retreads in Ohio and hope nobody remembers what happened. Of course, there are many people that do remember.

sethstorm on November 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM

You cannot win by taking the high road if your opponent is in the gutter. Add in a grossly negligent, complicit media and a populace of greedy, envious morons and there is your reason for Obama winning.

False, false and false again. Whether or not you agreed with the slant on the media coverage of the campaign we got a full two weeks of Bill Ayers talk from Palin clips of which were repeated over and over again. As the Obama campaign made its response talk radio, including folks like Sean Hannity attacked him again and again over the Bill Ayers thing. CNN and Fox made huge hay out of the ACORN drama (that was essentially manufactured by the GOP and the rightwing blogosphere, it would’ve been a violation of state law NOT to hand in bad forms and ACORN *flagged* bad forms so that they wouldn’t be included in their count). The American people were told about Bill Ayers and they made a decision. The American people were told about Jeremiah Wright…and they made a decision.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM

The employees work in the commission’s Bureau of Disability Determination, which rules on applications from Ohioans seeking Social Security disability benefits, said Steve Ostrander, a spokesman for the commission.

Does this group have access to voter registration rolls? Republican applicant? Application denied! Pass the word.

Buy Danish on November 13, 2008 at 1:40 PM

CNN and Fox made huge hay out of the ACORN drama (that was essentially manufactured by the GOP and the rightwing blogosphere blah blah blah.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Yeah, that must be why there are on-going criminal investigations in numerous States.

Buy Danish on November 13, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Do you think “base” Democrats are agitating constantly to get rid of all these “DINOs”, or do you think they are still drunk today celebrating their great victory?

rockmom on November 13, 2008 at 11:09 AM

The only thing baser than Democrats is you frustrated Democrat wannabes.

Frankly, this post clearly demonstrates the shallowness of your thinking. I push ideas and principles, not political parties. It just so happens that the political parties are so polarized that there is nothing with the framework of the Democrat party I can support. There is little that I support from you moonbats who demand we all shift to your way of thinking in order to be more “electable” as opposed to taking a principled stand.

So to answer your question, I don’t care what the DINOs are doing these days. I’m more concerned with the principles and values of social and evangelical conservatism. These values were hijacked in 2008 by a bunch of rat bastard traitors such as you and McCain. We need to get rid of your type of “Republican” for the good of the party and the good of the nation.

highhopes on November 13, 2008 at 3:05 PM

False, false and false again. Whether or not you agreed with the slant on the media coverage of the campaign we got a full two weeks of Bill Ayers talk from Palin clips of which were repeated over and over again. The American people were told about Bill Ayers and they made a decision. The American people were told about Jeremiah Wright…and they made a decision.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Yeah, whatever. Hannity and Rush are preaching to the choir. We needed the MSM to report the facts about Obama. As to people knowing about Ayers and Wright and still choosing to vote for the scumbag that is what I meant by greedy, envious morons. They have no loyalty to the USA only wanted to see that $500-1000 check from Obama. Sickening.

mrsmwp on November 13, 2008 at 3:15 PM

Baxter Greene on November 13, 2008 at 12:44 PM
——–
Hey why don’t you type in more enormous posts that nobody reads.

But please, keep doing what you’re doing. It makes me very happy to know you have no intention of changing course.

Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Tom_Shipley on November 13, 2008 at 9:44 AM
Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Please ignore these Socialists like they ignore the facts. It’s not worth the energy and is wasting my time scrolling to cipher through to the good stuff. They’ll be in the Volunteer Civil Army infirmary being treated from internet surfing withdrawals soon enough.

Sultry Beauty on November 13, 2008 at 3:59 PM

In addition, there was virtually no McCain TV advertising in Ohio.

He was too busy advertising in PA, a state he didn’t need and had no chance to win.

xblade on November 13, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Hey why don’t you type in more enormous posts that nobody reads.

But please, keep doing what you’re doing. It makes me very happy to know you have no intention of changing course.

Dave Rywall on November 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Your dumba$$ is obviously reading them.So you are right,NOBODY IS READING THEM.

Your mother obviously doesn’t know you skipped school today.
Next time you might want to try actually backing up all that
left wing drivel that you are typing on your mother’s computer.

Baxter Greene on November 13, 2008 at 7:06 PM

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