The Democratic attack on the youth vote
posted at 8:02 am on November 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Rahm Emanuel’s remarks about the civilian defense corps shows a blindness to a potential political cliff that fellow community organizers are about to lead Democrats over like lemmings. The danger here isn’t that the Obama administration is about to launch a 21st century Land Service program, but that a civilan draft will damage the volunteer military. And a relaunch of any kind of draft may hit the Hope-and-Changers right where they live: in the youth vote.
Let’s deal with the draft itself. What Emanuel proposes is what the nation had for over 30 years, a draft supported by both Republican and Democratic presidents. Like Emanuel’s proposal, draftees had to live in barracks and wear uniforms — but they had to do it for two years. Eventually, the draft got so unpopular that it had to go. When the voting age was lowered to 18, the writing was on the wall.
Unlike the draft, however, this time everyone will apparently serve — which will make it even less popular than the draft. Those who would volunteer to serve their country now would join the military anyway, but three months in a “civilian defense force” might blunt that desire, especially if it’s as pointless as Barack Obama’s description of it. The cost of it will be enormous, and it will end up competing for work that could be done by private-sector efforts that would actually employ younger workers rather than have them work as slaves to the government. If the term is only three months, then most of that time would go into training, leaving little time for productivity.
And how will the nation’s youth react to forced labor camps, which is exactly what Emanuel proposes? Community organizers might think of this as heaven, but the rest of the young adults between 18-25 will resent the hell out of it. After turning out the youth vote in 2008, they may find that 18-25-year-olds will discover their inner libertarians and vote out the Democrats who sold them into indentured servitude against their will.
The draft at least served real security interests of the US over its 30+ years of existence, and it wound up so unpopular that Democrats and Republicans use it to make voters nervous about the plans of the other. I doubt it would take 30 weeks for its return to reach the same depths of resentment among its targets.
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thomasaur on November 13, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Well, if I hear “Chanson d’automne” on the radio, I’ll know it’s time to roll.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 13, 2008 at 10:43 AM
75% would tell them to FO
driver on November 13, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Perhaps they’ll provide for an opt-out, but also include incentives for those who participate with something like lower rates on student loans and mortgages.
dedalus on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Ed, I wonder how many of these bad ideas are smoke screens. Offend as many as possible with just talk about them and then never follow through. Would people then be more willing to accept his less noxious sounding agenda? Is there much risk in floating ideas in order to trigger just a lot of huffing and puffing?
Zdad on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 AM
3 months of doing WHAT? I can see where this is going…
In Boston we have “City Year” they allegedly do such pressing things as Neighborhood Beautification, Neighborhood Outreach, troubled youth mentoring.
The reality is it’s a bunch of teenagers shuffling around Boston in droopy pants, huge red T shirts and side ways baseball caps that say “City Year”. They pick up trash in an alley for ten minutes while a “Community Organizer” takes pictures of them “workinh hard for the betterment of their community”. Afterwards they get pizza and drinks and paint posterboards of peace signs and trees and flowers and take more pictures of the kids smiling, holding hands…you get the idea.
Inefficient, expensive, but lots of smiling minority kids…core values of the Democrat party.
Alden Pyle on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Is this the model Emanuel is working off of Israel? Compare the size of the country and population to The U.S.A.
ISRAEL
IL – 7,112,359 population – Country size: 20,991 sq km
Capital city: Jerusalem – population 750,892 (’08)
3,700,000 users as of July/06, 52.0% penetration, per TIM.
1,421,000 Broadband Internet connections as of Sept/07, per ITU
Okay what works in Israel comes from necessity, and the model works for Israel BUT we are a Huge Country with a Huge Population. IF Emanuel wants to bring the Draft back with the specifics made by Barack Obama, NO Gender bias and Charlie Wrangel NO College Waivers, they probably would get some support from the American People in “fairness” right now 3 million are protecting 300,000,00. They volunteer are we looking again in Obama’s words to make it more “Fair” okay. But the idea of this 3 million civilian security defense creation is so poorly conceievd. The U.S.A. is not a Small country in the Middle East with a small population.
Am I the only one who has come to the understanding that when Barack Obama uses the term “Fair” and “Fairness” it is to lower everyones quality of life, to a low end lifestyle where all are now even, and the Citizens sacrifice for the Good of the State? The Immaturity of some of these proposals are telling.
Dr Evil on November 13, 2008 at 10:48 AM
I’ll cop to that. I’m confused because this particular program is being proposed by a man whose wife has never been proud of America, whose preacher yells “God damn America!” from the pulpit, who worked with a man whose group planted a bomb in the Pentagon, and who stressed that this training is not military training but civil defense training in case of, say, a terrorist attack. So, yes, I’m confused about his intentions, seeing as we already have a National Guard and armed forces. I’m confused why someone with such an express distrust of America wants to use the American government to create another force to “defend” it.
saint kansas on November 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Am I supposed to believe factcheck org?
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obama_planning_a_gestapo-like_civilian_national.html
Dr Evil on November 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM
It comes down to forcing Volunteerism, which isn’t Volunteering anymore. Michelle Obama stated “Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uniformed and uninvolved” When did this stop being a Free Country?
Dr Evil on November 13, 2008 at 11:15 AM
And I’m sure someone’s mentioned it already, but the whole debate is moot until we clear up the Rangel/Kerry myth that the the US Armed Forces comprises a bunch of naive kids who signed up only because they were misled and had absolutely no other options open to them.
If “clean and articulate” Obama had the ability to articulate exactly what this civil defense corps stood for, he might get a handful of sympathetic volunteers (e.g., City Year) who could use the stipend.
saint kansas on November 13, 2008 at 11:15 AM
If nothing else, they will go back to staying at home and not voting at all. Self-disenfranchisement in 2010!! I like it.
aflyonthewall on November 13, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Great, First Obama wants to spread the wealth around. Now he wants to spread the youth around. Next he will want to spread our liberty around.
Obama=Oppression.
portlandon on November 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I am more than confused by his intentions; I’m very wary. Thank God the National Guards in each state report to their Governor. Why would O need a third security force? Any security threat that may arise can be met by deployment of either the Guard or our Military.
Red State State of Mind on November 13, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Factcheck.org is full of C-R-A-P!
this man truly wants to fundamentally change this country and that scares me to death for my children. if the democrats get 60 seats, which the way things are going it looks more and more like a possibility, we are S-C-R-E-W-E-D!
sandlin71 on November 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM
You cannot be serious!
d1carter on November 13, 2008 at 11:29 AM
I’ll sign my kids up after BO’s kids go first. On second thought, screw that. My response will be FO. Regardless.
jbtripp on November 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM
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Exactly! And for those of you that do not think this will survive because it is fraught with legal entanglements, consider Obama packing and stacking the Courts. There are over 300 federal judges yet to be appointed because Congress would not move on filling these openings. Do you believe for one moment Obama will not see to these judgeships being filled immediately? Rush painted a very bleak picture of this nation as far as having no where to turn to plea legal violations. If Kennedy retires, and he will, then we are certainly dead in the water when it comes to the Supreme Court.
Do you really believe this will only last for 3 months? Since when does a liberal stop with whacky liberal ideals? Bailout crap sandwich anyone? Now, Meme P is wanting to extend this crap sandwich to the auto industry. I fully expect the Lollypop Guild to be filing for their bailout money come December 1st!
I have read parts of Ayers’ book regarding the yutes, and how he believes they are to be treated. I have also seen, and listed to Barak Obama responding to these theories. I know Obama studied under Frank Marshall Davis, and henceforth became a fierce Alinsky believer, and that automatically lead to Marxism. There are some that dislike our calling Obama a socialist or Marxist because they say there is no proof to support such wackadoodle thinking. Really? Have you read his voting record in IL, and in the U.S. Senate? Read his books? Checked out those he has hung out with, and is currently appointing to his Cabinet? Marxist is as Marxist does.
It just so happens I have read a few history books too, and I do not have to wait for the Wile E. Coyote Acme boulder to fall upon my skull to recognize a pseudo Hitler youth group in the making. Those swell, gold boot wearing yutes championing the Obama impact on their lives are mild examples of where this program would go, and is indeed intended to go. I just spent 18 years homeschooling my yutes, and I do not think they are going to be a hit in these “re-education”, “community” working camps. They have a solid historical base, and would probably be leading a rebellion in the camp! LOL!
freeus on November 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Somebody need to go out and do a video tape interview of those youths who voted for Obama and ask them if they like the idea of mandatory 3-month “boot camp” and would they go?
Kokonut on November 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM
When do I get my brownshirt?!
Badger40 on November 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Political shock troops.
This may wipe the smug smile off of the campus elite.
RobCon on November 13, 2008 at 11:39 AM
This idiot program will go nowhere.
The real issue is that the military draft is about to come back. Lifers will be fleeing the services in droves with a military-hater in the White House. Once the fool starts invading Pakistan and reacting as he must to all of the flare-ups that are already starting, the need for the military will increase, as re-enlistments are going down.
It may be the only hope to drive the thug out of office.
notagool on November 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM
The picture HA chose to put up with this story?
GUARANTEED to pique the interest of the gays in this program.
All those semi-naked young men…
pseudonominus on November 13, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Obama voters may not be so happy if their kids are targeted for this program. Some I’ve talked to thought I was kidding when I asked them about it.
SayWhat on November 13, 2008 at 11:47 AM
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‘Shared sacrifice’, balderdash. Those with memories will recall that Obama proposed funding this paramilitary adventure at parity with the US military. That would mean its noble community-spirited members would be PAID, and would presumably settle down to lifetime employment defending us against those selfish, greedy, oppressive domestic tyrants. Not to mention gathering information on dissident members of society for use by the hierarchy against those forces of evil, and ensuring that the flow of information to the public was properly filtered.
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Recall that the Obama campaign, in numerous instances over the last three months, gave us previews of its information filtering methods. Remember their activist lawsuits against the NRA, and their floods of phone calls to radio stations in attempts to prevent critical interviews, and the heroic actions of the City and County of Cleveland district attorneys in threatening lawsuits against those they asserted were ‘lying’ about the impeccable Obama? The fervant members of these ‘civil defense’ corps would be honor-bound to suppress the dissing of its political leaders, right up to the top.
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And if you could contribute time to your community in exchange for lower property taxes, you must be retired – most owners who didn’t inherit their ownerships actually have to work for a living, and that includes both members of a couple. Time is rare and precious to those citizens – and the community political class would not yield much in rebates, considering how common it is for them to be demanding ever more funding for their ‘community’ ambitions at the expense of the mere individuals who have made the sacrifices to acquire property.
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If one really wants to share a sacrifice (notice the reference to individual liberty here?), one can still volunteer for any branch of the US military, and actually contribute to the defense of your fellow citizens against real threats, such as Iranian nuclear weapons. Security comes through strength (even the Obama corps is a thinly disguised proposal to build political strength, at taxpayer expense). And your contribution of some of your own productive years to said military will add some real diversity – yours! – to the most diverse organization in history.
Insufficiently Sensitive on November 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Sthay it ain’t stho. lol
abinitioadinfinitum on November 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM
But City Year is privately funded, right? At least it was when I lived there and I thought it was a great vehicle to provide some opportunity to those who VOLUNTEERED for it. This is not City Year this is Hitler Youth Corps.
ihasurnominashun on November 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM
It sounds innocent but we all know you can make just about anything “Sound” or “Look” innocent. Enemy of the State? I guess it depends on your vantage point. Barack Obama has attained the Highest Seat in the land…does he see William Ayers as innocent?
http://sarah-palin-2008.blogspot.com/2008/11/bill-ayers-gives-exclusive-interview-to.html
Dr Evil on November 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Working people volunteer all the time. The local churches when I grew up could only operate because parishners pitched in to take care of a lot of the operations. Fortune 500 companies have volunteer programs that encourage their employees to give some of their time to help the community.
Still, yes it is harder for parents to volunteer their time. The proposed program here seems to be focused on younger people who, in aggregate, are tied down with fewer commitments than breadwinners with mortgages and young children.
dedalus on November 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Haven’t they read the 13th Amendment?! Time to re-vote for president!
ironmonk on November 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM
They’ll have to kill me to force my son into servitude!
TrickyDick on November 13, 2008 at 12:36 PM
And you originally thoughts as to its purpose was….
hawkdriver on November 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Let’s try that again.
And your original thoughts as to its purpose were…
hawkdriver on November 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM
MB4 on November 13, 2008 at 12:54 PM
If you don’t agree with the mandatory or whatever they want to call it not to call it mandatory service hours, go here to tell your Congressmen…
http://www.rallycongress.com/voterid/1408/no-to-mandatory-civil-service/
UnderstandingisPower on November 13, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Let me “unconfuse you”.
That is one summer out of my kids life that the government does not own…get it, they don’t “own” anything or anyone. Show me in the constitution where, except in emergencies or war, that the government has a right to take someones life for “one month” a year.
Now my kids, by our choice, went to a private school where they had to do community service, that was mandatory for graduation. But that was by our choice.
You have the right to be a lazy, selfish, non-productive *ss in our country…thus the liberal’s have a home.
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Would they be that deceitful?
You betcha!Oh, say it ain’t so!MB4 on November 13, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Brings up another point, they want to force you to work for society, but they won’t let you choose the school to go to. School choice is a no, but you must work for the government?
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Yes, always they float these things to see if they stick. Sometimes when a really wacky idea is floated, I wish everyone would sit on their hands until the leader (Obama) really shows his hand then he gets blasted.
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Sounds kind of like you are saying that it’s like being only a little bit pregnant, so not to worry.
MB4 on November 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Nobody on the left knows anything about this yet.
Here’s how it will work: Obama won’t mention it until that crisis that Joe Biden promised us would definitely come. Then it will be put into action quickly, as something we need due to the crisis.
All the young people will be dying to go. By which I mean, anyone in their early forties and below. (Conveniently, just about the age stated – up to 42.)
For one thing, they all feel guilty for not feeling patriotic these last 8 years. They are DYING to feel patriotic.
Then they will all look back to Obama’s (and his wife’s) words about how they are going to have to sacrifice, etc. And they will consider that prophetic rather than groundwork-laying, and they will all flock to do their part.
And there you go. There you have it. It will be done.
Alana on November 13, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Oh, no, r2b …. you’ll be working for the ‘America that should have always been’.
Y’know… helping all of those foreclosed folks move their HD tvs to another nicer/bigger place to live.
It’s only patriotic.
Getcher head on right, y’hear ??
(They’ll come for my Grands over my dead body !!)
pambi on November 13, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Alana on November 13, 2008 at 1:05 PM
No argument, there.
pambi on November 13, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Sorry.. really meant: no argument from me !
pambi on November 13, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Gosh, has Ed gotten a case of ODS? Folks, there are two related, but different issues here and it’s important we understand both of them.
The first is The Rahm Emanuel Israeli boot camp barracks plan, which may or may not be a Civilian National Security Force which Obama wants to fund like our military, but now claims merely refers to an innocent expansion of the Peace Corps.
The second, and the one which has the best chance of occurring if we aren’t careful, is Obama’s plan to force Middle and High School students into Camp Obama’s Universal Servitude Corps which will be accomplished by using the
carrot and stickhammer of federal funding.Here’s the link to his campaign website where he says:
Ad nauseum…
Lest you think this is an aberration, we also have a speech linked from Obama’s website where he reiterates the 50/100 plan and repeats federal funding aspect:
Buy Danish on November 13, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Sorry but I have no concern about this even were it to occur. Fifty three percent voted for the Obamanation, let them get their full money’s worth. A little barracks time might be what many libtards need, even at the cost it might be the most discipline any of them ever would get within a million miles of. If it turns off voters to democrats or allows the youth to identify with republican military values I don’t know. But all in all it seems that Obama is trying to recreate Stripes type of military service.
eaglewingz08 on November 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM
rape barracks
pseudonominus on November 13, 2008 at 1:30 PM
I will not permit my son, who is not a “libtard”, to participate in Obama’s universal servitude plan, which is most definitely not a “Republican Military Value”.
Buy Danish on November 13, 2008 at 1:34 PM
“Sorry but I have no concern about this even were it to occur. Fifty three percent voted for the Obamanation, let them get their full money’s worth. A little barracks time might be what many libtards need”
well said eaglewing
notagool on November 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM
So we now have an indicator.
The time ‘youtes’ no longer object to the “voluntary” ‘community service’ program is the time teachers’ union and liberals (aren’t they the same?) know they have achieved their goal of indoctrination.
Sir Napsalot on November 13, 2008 at 1:51 PM
If they respond I’ll make that happen.
csdeven on November 13, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Is this why San Fransico is alowing JROTC back on Campus’?
I mean logistically, where are the “recruits” going to come from, they have to have recruiting centers? They couldn’t argue that one group could recruit and not another. It wouldn’t be legal right?
Dr Evil on November 13, 2008 at 2:27 PM
While it sounds really nice and definitely has some benefits, community service is only economically beneficial to society as a whole when performed by people who would otherwise be less productive with their time. Too much community service can be a bad thing.
As an obvious example, no one would say that a construction crane operator’s time would be better spent doing community service while an entire construction project waits.
Obama’s plan requiring college students to do 100 hours of community service in exchange for a $4000 tax credit, would in effect be paying college students $40/hr. for their community service. At the same time, it would reduce college students’ involvment in the private sector, where they perform “college jobs” which benefit society more at less cost. It could also slow down their progress toward a degree if they take fewer credits.
The plan to expand Peace Corps could similarly be a less effective use of labor resources. Can someone explain to me what the Peace Corps does that is so valuable? From what I have heard anecdotally, a ton of money is wasted because many young adults enter the Corps as a way to travel the world and put off entering their careers.
As far as the middle school service in exchange for federal money idea, it is arguable that middle schoolers’ time could be better spent perfoming community service than playing video games. My guess is that Obama thinks this would be a great way to have a minor leagues for community organizers. I’m not sure, though, how diverting school resources and energy to a program like this would help raise test scores.
willamettevalley on November 13, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Also known as, “Sit a Year.”
Akzed on November 13, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Oh, I love this! Holding college financing if you don’t accept the Volunteer Draft! Hah! *Big Smile* We’ll get to right a wrong watching college age kids avoid the draft by going straight to work or joining the military and avoiding college! Will get back our children from the college socialistic/communistic indoctrination! YAH!!!
Sultry Beauty on November 13, 2008 at 3:37 PM
I agree that we already have a national defence force, called the National guard. His problem is that the guard is controlled by the state governors, not him. Our armed forces are not allowed to be used against civilians. That could be changed, but at what risk? A national or civilian Defense force would be under his control. The name itself does not sound sinister, but when you consider it in the light of Marxism, it rings true. Equipping and funding his armed force would be easy if he disbanded the National Guards and redistributed the funding and equipment of downsized Armed forces to it. Indoctrination of youth through his youth corps would insure a loyal armed force that could be used against the citizens who oppose him and to maintain control. With everything considered that he has stated, it looks like they intend for the Democrat party to RULE for a long time, if not in fact himself.
Franklyn on November 13, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Let’s keep quiet and let these fools put this policy into place. Not only will this teach all the air-headed kids who helped to elect Obama into office a very valuable civics lesson and leave a bad taste associated with the Democratic party in a whole generation’s collective mouth, but we could see the many large voter blocs like blacks, Hispanics, immigrants and the working class, who have been inexplicably loyal to Democrats finally open up to reason.
The less one has, I would imagine, the more one would value their labor and their time. And if you’re used to getting nothing but unearned hand-outs from the government, suddenly finding yourself serving them for no particular reason and for no tangible reward would be quite a shock.
I imagine the punishment meted out to those who refuse to take part in this nonsense would be monetary. A lot of wealthier kids will get out of this and not feel as resentful toward Obama.
Sign of the Dollar on November 13, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Remember Obama promising a female draft? I really can’t wait until the day comes that all those female Democrats have to go and fill out their draft cards… let’s see what they think of Hopenchange then!
joe_doufu on November 13, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Would this fall under one of his “Executive Orders”?
Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2008 at 4:02 PM
FIFY
Let’s just be sure to make our reps understand that they MUST rise up IMMEDIATELY, once(if??) it becomes general knowledge.
pambi on November 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM
I think you nailed it: Clinton was the Master of Smokescreening, and used it constantly to ‘test’ ideas ( most of which bombed and were never adopted, or a much less odious version was put forth )
Obam has no original ideas, so he uses Clinton, Wright, Ayers, etc
Janos Hunyadi on November 13, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Saying let this happen seems fine in theory except for the fact that those of us with high school and college age kids who voted for the Republicans would also suffer. I don’t want my kids subject to this garbage. If one of them were to choose to enlist in the armed forces I would support that as being their choice, but this is not the same.
Rose on November 13, 2008 at 5:42 PM
…I meant to say that Clinton was the Master of Trial Balloons.
I seem to have trouble concentrating these last nine days…………
Janos Hunyadi on November 13, 2008 at 5:46 PM
“If the term is only three months, then most of that time would go into training, leaving little time for productivity.”
If that happened, it would be more productive than the WPA project I observed as a child. That project consisted of rebuilding a section of road next to grandparents house, tearing it up and rebuilding at least a total of three times while I was aware of the work. The purpose of the project seemed to use as much macadam as possible and to make the road unusable indefinitely.
burt on November 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM
This is the most mind-boggling thing! Who would have ever voted for Obama if they had known this?
But what are these guys actually going to do? Go door to door with pointed sticks picking up trash? Or go door to door with the same sticks registering Democrats? Or, go door to door asking what your mayor can do for you? Or telling you what your mayor says you now have to do for him.
Gestapobama, here we come.
flicker on November 13, 2008 at 6:50 PM
It’s pretty clear what Obahama will do:
1. Raise taxes
2. Create bigger government
3. Gut the military
4. Waste money on “social projects” and this is one of them
Whether “We the People” allow these things is the real question.
timajin on November 13, 2008 at 7:13 PM
I do wonder, if it comes to fruition, would this
Obama Praetorian Corps Rahm Emanuel SACivilian Defense Corps would have an oath?MB4 on November 13, 2008 at 7:27 PM
They probably will. About 52% of “We the People” are weak passive sheep looking for handouts and wouldn’t speak up if trucks were parked on their feet.
rplat on November 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM
I officially give up. No amount of reasoning, linkage to stories that back up my reasoning will sway Seattle kool-aid drinkers from believing that this Civilian Defense Corp. is anything but a noble enterprise and that Rahm Emmanuel is the nicest guy ever and has every Americans best interest at heart to teach us about community and how to fill sandbags for the next big flood…
GAWD!
Idiots.
illustr8r on November 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM
This is the forced indoctrination and militarization of our youth.
JellyToast on November 13, 2008 at 10:22 PM
I’m thinking it will be blue.
JellyToast on November 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Obama knows what he’s doing. See Mao’s CULTURAL REVOLUTION.
Or …
the Hitler Youth.
Crazy like a Fox he is.
HondaV65 on November 14, 2008 at 6:41 AM
Factcheck.org needs to be renamed to something like: whatliberalsseeasfacts.org.
or OOPSdamnthatfireneedsputtingout.org
Spiritk9 on November 14, 2008 at 7:49 AM
Good point, Morrissey.
I recommend that Obama expand the card check program into the political election system. That would provide the necessary “checks and balances” for youth flirting with any type of socially destructive libertarian ideas.
I’m sure his friends in the Unions can help push this through after they receive all that extra funding from the car industry bailout.
Saltysam on November 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM
Spiritk9 on November 14, 2008 at 7:49 AM
Yeah . . . already noticed that. I trust that site about as far as I can throw a lead piano.
Anyway guys, I can understand the motive behind this whole “Obama instituting martial law and becoming president-for-life” talk, but let’s cool it down a little OK?
Ryan Gandy on November 14, 2008 at 12:37 PM
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