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posted at 10:35 pm on November 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
“Does that sound like a force that could kick down your door in the middle of the night and haul you off to a Gulag or concentration camp?”
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People will be “asked”? Like we’re “asked” to pay taxes?
mr.blacksheep on November 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM
JetBoy is the worm and we are the fishies tonight…
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Well whaddaya know we agree on something.
Bradky on November 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Main headline. I’ve been away for awhile so wasn’t sure if people caught it, and didn’t feel like searching through the comments.
pmanley on November 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM
the no bailout? That wasn’t going to happen until Jan 21st anyway. The GOP would be stupid to sign on to it. why give the dems cover for this. Let the AMerician people meet their new masters and see who is going to spend their money and why
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Can we still have the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts or are they not secular enough for the Obama Nation?winemkr on November 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM
They say the pledge and wear their flag pins so it’s over for the Scouts. I’m going to miss the cookies and the derby races.
Ozark_sky on November 13, 2008 at 11:45 PM
sorry…meant to highlight winemkr
Ozark_sky on November 13, 2008 at 11:46 PM
They say the pledge and wear their flag pins so it’s over for the Scouts. I’m going to miss the cookies and the derby races.
Ozark_sky on November 13, 2008 at 11:45 PM
The no homosexual thing will keep the left away from funding them.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 11:47 PM
I agree. It doesn’t come as a surprise to me either, but the thought of the dems and the uaw up in arms about it is a pleasant thought.
pmanley on November 13, 2008 at 11:48 PM
No, that would be the Girl Scouts, & they are very left-of-center.
jgapinoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Do I really believe he said it? YES. It’s on video.
Do I really believe something like that can be done? Why not? It has been done elsewhere and they didn’t believe it could happen there either.
Do I think he could get away with it? Not sure. I wouldn’t have believed if someone had told me in 1985 that the Soviet Union was going to just announce one day that they were done and giving up the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact and calling it a day. What a joke! Except it happened.
Do I think he meant what he said, rather than a WORM (What Obama Really Meant) explanation? His extremist radical ties with the weatherman underground who were talking about killing 25 million Americans kinda give me pause. Then there is Rahm Emmanuel talking about the exact same thing mentioning boot camp and Rahm Emmanuel has been appointed his chief of staff.
You tell me?
sharrukin on November 13, 2008 at 11:49 PM
katy, I always seem to be the worm amongst the fish lately. I used to swim right along with the other fishys…I dunno what happened.
But I’d rather be a worm with my sanity…
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Main headline. I’ve been away for awhile so wasn’t sure if people caught it, and didn’t feel like searching through the comments.
pmanley on November 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM
I think it was Palin coming out against ever increasing bailouts that gave GOP senators the balls to stand up agains tit. bush coming out after Palin helps too. I think until jan 21st the federal purse is closed. If the GOP were smart it would not vote for another bailout from now until 2010. vote for things that help the people impacted, increas in heating funds, food stamps for recent laid off workers, increased in WIc funded. Become the party of the people not the party of the CEO’s. The CEO’s made their choice with Obama. they wanted to back the winner. So be it. Make the dems defend their CEO fat cats now.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Fact Check needs to re-read Obama’s words. His discussion of the Peace Corps and a civilian security security force were exclusive of one another. If anyone has followed anything Obama has said in the past, they will quickly realize that he is very precise in his wording.
Obama calls for increasing AmeriCorps to 250,000. A noble gesture, for sure. But one that has nothing to do with his comment on the civilian security force. In addition:
-Rahm Emanuel’s comments clearly put any notion of an expanded Peace Corps to rest. A 3 month basic training. For ALL young men and women.
-Obama’s mention of a civilian security force was not restricted to the one comment Fact Check zeroed in on. Obama has mentioned it at other times, outside of the context of a Peace Corps.
-The US military curently has over 1 million members in uniform. His goals for Ameri Corps was a total compliment of 250,000. That is nowhere “just as strong” as the military.
-Our defense budget in enormous. Just what in the hell is the Peace Corps going to do with an amount equal to the billions of dollars we spend on aircraft or ships? Or the payroll for over 1 million?
Fact Check needs to check what they’re smoking (or perhaps AP can tell us, since it appears that they are sharing their stash with AP).
Jim M. on November 13, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Actually, the one audio clip I heard had emanuel saying that he would be ok if they wanted to add an additional 4 months (for a total of seven)..
going back to Allah’s original quote
DANG STRAIGHT it does.. Yep, it sounds eeirly like the Hitler youth, red guard, little octobrists, young pioneers, The cuban “Separate them from their parents” system..
It does NOT sound like the boy scouts, civil air patrol or coast guard auxilairay.
The administration isn’t even in freaking office and they are already starting to grate on me with their orwellian doublespeak.
I think it is a legitimate fear, based on historical facts, that this ‘civilian volunteer group’ could easily lead to
“Hello Ve are here from der civilain volunteeer group. You are invited to come mit us fur eine special schower..”
WE DO NOT NEED SUCH A GROUP… Ask yourself why the administration is pushing this…
bullseye on November 13, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Well, those are Obama’s words: “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” What do you think it means?
ddrintn on November 13, 2008 at 11:51 PM
I’m getting the feeling too that the tiger doesn’t see the tiger trap. It’s too busy sniffing the blood in the air to notice.
Limerick on November 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM
From ONE dang speech…
You guys believe Obama is gonna deliver on EVERY promis he made during the campaign? Or, just this one? Somehow magically?
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Sanity=reality. You are not digesting the facts on the ground and will be unprepared.
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:55 PM
sorry, haven’t read all dozens upon dozens comments — anyone link to Ace from yesterday where he did an AWESOME takedown of the concept presuming it actually gets pushed by these morons? Fave quote — [paraphrase] — “if you think these 18 year olds are going to be filling sandbags for the next time the mississippi overflows its levees you are sorely mistaken. they will do what they always do — show up late, get in the way, smoke weed, and try to get laid”
:-)
:-)
Buckaroo on November 13, 2008 at 11:56 PM
I don’t know. Some promises are kept, some not. Why do you think this one won’t be kept?
ddrintn on November 13, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Kind of odd that they believe him on this, but don’t believe he respects the second amendment, which he also said he does. Believe him on some, disbelieve on the rest. Difficult to follow.
MadisonConservative on November 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM
I’m getting the feeling too that the tiger doesn’t see the tiger trap. It’s too busy sniffing the blood in the air to notice.
Limerick on November 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I’m seeing some signs of that. I think Paulson changing the terms of the bailout upset people. They tides have turned on the bailouts. 70-805 were against the $700b bailout. Now with Paulson’s checkmate on the banks that number probalby went to 90%. I think people are starting to see the beggers lining up at the taxpayer mill and understand there is not enough bread to feed them all. It is time to protect what we have. Let the companies that made bad choices fail. Out of the destruction new companies will form.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM
PS I recommend caution. We’re pretty good at Whack-A-Bigot around here.
RushBaby on November 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
As the ODS turns. In last week’s episode President Obama was a Manchurian candidate getting ready to institute Sharia across the land and cede our borders to our enemies. The plot thickens this week as he reveals his dastardly plans to have civilians helping out the poor and elderly and to beef up the state department. Wingnut Broadcasting reports that the real plan is to arm the civilian force, off the elderly to cut the social security burden, and enslave those who don’t know how to make the special O sign.
Don’t miss next week when a mysterious picture with the Hawaiian birth certificate appears to have the number 666 displayed in the center of the letter O….
Bradky on November 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Who is John Galt?
spmat on November 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
It will come as regulation, taxation, and rationing. By rationing I mean more then commodities. It will be about ‘correct’ people doing ‘correct’ things. If you aren’t a ‘correct’ citizen your access to the wonders of freedom will be restricted. To accomplish that we will all be inspected. Business owners will require ‘community service’ references. City governments ‘community service’ verification. State and Federal government ‘community service’ tax breaks, or penalties if you don’t roll up your sleeves for a better America. Charity will come to you wearing a jackboot.
Limerick on November 13, 2008 at 11:59 PM
the one promise I’m certain he won’t deliver on is cutting taxes for 95% of Americans.
Ozark_sky on November 13, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Because it’s the most wacked-out idea I’ve heard that hasn’t come from the ol’ Ron Paul truther patrol. It’s unrealistic, unfounded, and ridiculous.
I swear, I keep looking for a “/sarc” tag on these comments…or a “hey, we got JetBoy pretty good tonight, huh?”
*cue twilight zone theme*
I’ll take my chances this won’t come to fruition. I think I’ll be alright.
JetBoy on November 14, 2008 at 12:00 AM
From ONE dang speech…
You guys believe Obama is gonna deliver on EVERY promis he made during the campaign? Or, just this one? Somehow magically?
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM
It is not one dang speech. Obama said the same thing at Columbia fourm. Talked about ROTC and civilian service. His change.gov website had talk of middle school and highscool kids being required to have 50 hours of community service, college kids 100hr. His books talk about a need to give back to the country. His wife talked about it on the campaign trail. It has been a major theme through out his campaign.
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:00 AM
I don’t “believe” one way or the other. All I have is what Obama said.
ddrintn on November 14, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Was that link to factcheck.org, or spincity.org?
Factcheck.org refuses to deal honestly with the available evidence. They may have the factcheck name, but it will do them no good if people stop trusting their so-called fact checks.
And that’s already begun.
theregoestheneighborhood on November 14, 2008 at 12:01 AM
have the number 666 displayed in the center of the letter O….
Bradky on November 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
the 666 number was already shown by his home state’s lottery on nov 5th. you must have missed that week’s eposide.
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Well, direct the “unrealistic, unfounded, and ridiculous” tags to Obama. We’re just going on what the man said he wants to do.
ddrintn on November 14, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Think it through would you?
It is likely that the college angle will be a stipulation to qualify for federal student aid. High school age will be an “encouragement” to add that as part of the curriculum.
It may also be possible that welfare recipients might be required to “give back”. If he had said that in his campaign he would be accused of being a conservative in democrat’s clothes.
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:03 AM
“Taken out of context”….yeah sure, the last resort for when someone has no justifiable explanation for something said.
That nonsense resembles nothing more than a bunch of talking points all glued together into paragraphs and is so fractured that even within its so-called context it stills sounds the same way as when the critical words stand alone. There is absolutely nothing in the surrounding text to suggest the idea has merit or that it can be understood to mean something more reasonable.
With or without that ridiculous article,
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.
We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
still sounds like
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.
We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
And then:
He was talking specifically about expanding AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and the USA Freedom Corps.
Really? “Specifically”?
Since when does the Peace Corps aim to provide national security? If you want to talk about the Peace Corps for what it is supposed to do, Obama, then say that. Don’t evade questions and try to pass off a rat for a hamster, and then tell us we are misinterpreting “context.” And if you are so interested in national security, I would like to hear an explanation of why we can’t strengthen what we already have, and why you feel the need to reduce military spending.
Obama, I think it’s going to be a long four years for you.
fireweednectar on November 14, 2008 at 12:04 AM
I don’t know whether he can deliver on it, but his selection of Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff indicates he may very well intend to try.
What is the criteria now, by the way, for taking a president at his word? Does he have to say something in more than “ONE dang speech”? How many more times would he have to say it for you to take him seriously? He floated this idea on his change.gov site, too, you know – and he changed the wording quite significantly when people started talking about it.
capitalist piglet on November 14, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Nevermind the twilight zone theme, cue the looney toons theme. I don’t mean to be…mean…but,
C’mon!
I would sooner believe Obama is the “anti-Christ” than believe this “defense force” nonsense.
JetBoy on November 14, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Kind of odd that they believe him on this, but don’t believe he respects the second amendment, which he also said he does. Believe him on some, disbelieve on the rest. Difficult to follow.
MadisonConservative on November 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM
It’s kind of hard to believe someone when they say one thing and vote another. He voted against the 2nd every chance he got but you want us to believe he had a conversion on the road to the whitehouse. ….ok.
His CDF has not changed has not wavered from his books to now.
which to believe…..
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Yes. And some of it you think is true, and other you think is untrue. The standard by which you choose is the curiosity.
MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 12:06 AM
They are now extremely left-of-center. My oldest was in GS in grade school, and after seeing a camp counselor here in MN using the camp name “Sappho” that put the end of GS for us.
Which is a terrific shame, since I was in GS for 10 years, and gained so much from it. The GS now is nothing like it was in the 70′s. The militant lesbian/left wing nutjob element runs the organization now. And they wonder why they’re having difficulty attracting new members; GSUSA have begun consolidating their nation-wide counsels from over 300 to around 100. In Ohio, where I was a Scout, there is now only two councils – one for the northern half of the state and one for the southern. Why should a 14-year old girl join Scouts when there are so many other choices for her?
Blue-eyed Infidel on November 14, 2008 at 12:06 AM
As a conservative I don’t want welfare recipients to be required to ‘give back’ anything. If they frakking deserve welfare then they deserve welfare. Not the play-the-game dole takers, the truly needy.
Oh, I forgot, conservatives don’t give a rat’s ass about the truly needy.
Limerick on November 14, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Um, Annenberg? Really?
Metro on November 14, 2008 at 12:06 AM
I’m not saying I believe him on the second amendment. I don’t believe anything he says.
I might continue to remind all of the belabored point.
He is not yet president. He has not taken a single action as president. He will not for over two months.
I am as anxious to see this sucker get impeached as you. However, he actually has to DO something first.
MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Well speak for yourself on that point.
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:10 AM
OK, it’s after 12pm, last day of the work week coming up, and the Jets beat the Pats for first place.
I just really have to say, this thread…again…takes the cake. Normally sane posters I’ve seen, and a few new ones, are just losing it over this. I fail to see how any sane person can believe this stuff.
“He said it, it must be troooo!”
“Emanuel said it toooo!”
I mean, really….C’mon! Snap out of it.
JetBoy on November 14, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Well, what do you think is true and untrue? What standard do you use, your own wishes? I haven’t said any of Obama’s proposals are “true” or “untrue”, though the tax cut is far-fetched; there are proposals and there is plain pandering.
ddrintn on November 14, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:03 AM
To understand Obama and what is coming one must only take his view on “price” He has stated time after time in every police that he believes you change behavior by price control. what to conserve electricty usage and reduce it by 15% increase the cost of electricity. what to reduce gasoline consupmtion get gas to $4.00/gal slowly. what to promote community service make it costly to not do it. no degree, no finacial aid.
Obama’s policy amounts to economic corecion of the state to mold individual behavior. If he believes in economic corecion it is not a big step to believe in physical corecion of the state. It is the mindset that the state must get the individual to follow a certain plan.
Get it yet?
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Ummmmm….am I missing something here??
Just what in the hell does the PEACE CORPS or AmeriCorp have to do with strengthening our national security??
TheMightyQuinn on November 14, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Just emailed this knob head at Editor@FactCheck.org to let him know my answer:
Buford Gooch on November 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM
None and all, respectively. I think this dip still is figuring out what he is going to do after January. I think he’s completely in over his head.
I get the feeling that all this guy knows how to do is get elected, and nothing else. That means we haven’t the foggiest idea what he will or won’t do with the office.
MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM
am as anxious to see this sucker get impeached as you. However, he actually has to DO something first.
MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Well according to Justice souter the first thing he must do is produce his orginal birth certificate by Dec 1st
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:14 AM
According to liberals, a lot. These are the people who tried to dismantle the military 15 years ago.
MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Exactly right. The Derelict media failed to notice, or figured that they were in the public opinion business and the first “historic” opportunity for them was so irresistible that it was their duty to help it along. They collectively threw their role as watchdog away, and became tingling lickspittles instead.
RushBaby on November 14, 2008 at 12:14 AM
since you seem to have the 9 line to “the politics of meaning” why don’t you translate from the Rahm Bambinese to the English for us?
I heard him say, and the press have omitted from their reporting at once what people are saying here….saw it and my reaction at once reinforced by his potential CoS as “my own private FreiKorps”…..
YMMV but my aim won’t.
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 12:14 AM
So, in effect, nothing at all that Obama said during the campaign is to be taken as “true”, or even as indications of his overall outlook. It may actually be that he’s going to cut taxes across the board; he’s actually going to take a pretty firm attitude toward Putin and Ahmedinejad. Hell, he may even be for school vouchers or some such lunacy.
ddrintn on November 14, 2008 at 12:15 AM
It doesn’t. It has to do with positive rights vs negative rights. It has to do with empowering government to legislate what you CAN do instead of what the State CANNOT DO.
He wants to establish a criteria for ‘correct’ citizenship. If you don’t meet the criteria you don’t get the full benevolence of Uncle Sugar.
Limerick on November 14, 2008 at 12:16 AM
I actually agree with that. Team Obama has an ad hoc feel to it.
ddrintn on November 14, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I get your overreaction to things that have not even happened. I don’t get your apparent belief that Americans are going to idly sit by and see that scenario play out. Almost smacks of arrogance — “I see it but the sheep don’t”.
Let’s see how it plays out once he is sworn in.
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I think that Obama may be smarter than you seem to give him credit for. He may be playing thimblerig.
All
warfareleftist politics is based on deception. Hey, what’s that behind you?-
Sun Tzu’s NephewBarack ObamaMB4 on November 14, 2008 at 12:18 AM
for clarity I wish no physical harm on anyone, and am discussing “political aim”….this ain ‘t the Daily Kos and I do not advocate printing “How to Assassinate the President” as an “interesting hypothetical” like the left did Bush these last eight years….
the way to beat Bambi and Buddies is to point out exactly what he and they are…..loudly since the media will NEVER do so.
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Obama being a deeply flawed man and personally weak does not preclude some of the possibilities being discussed. Other authoritarian figures had similar flaws and were able to do a great deal of damage.
I certainly hope he turns out to be the sort of man you suggest, but I do think their is cause for worry (as do you IIRC).
sharrukin on November 14, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Hey SpecialKY you take the wait and see approach….I’ll take Rahm Bambiuel at their words….
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Oh cut the cryptic. If you know what shell the O is under, spill it.
RushBaby on November 14, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Ah my old friend Sven. Let me save you the trouble of typing a 10,00 word manifesto and just utter it for you CUDA!
you are welcome.
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Overraction? Ok…first time I heard taking someones REPEATED words at face vaule is overreaction. Obama’s energy policy states he wants to change the prift motive for electric companies. He wants to make electricty costs skyrocket, he wants to bankrupt the coal industry. He wants a CDF, he wants to reuire citizens to give back, he wants to stop off shore oil drilling, he wants to stop oil shale production and bnot buy the oil shale coming from Canada, he wants to rework NAFTA, he is ok with $4.00/gal gas. he does not consider Iran a threat.
His economic policy is based on price controls. He wants to control price to control the usage of things. Most people use taxes in this regard. He wants to set the price himself.
Overreaction? I’m just repeating what Obama has said. The arrogance you think you see is simply disbelief that people like you want to believe Obama means something other than what he has said.
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:24 AM
I do. However, their party, with Obama as their keystone, is a powder keg, on the point of explosion.
I predict a collapse, and a takeover. Republicans will not have the former, nor the Democrats the latter.
MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Nope the logic is crystal clear…..
people are taking Bambi and most especially Aunt Esther at their words….
Bambi is gonna change it all.
1) he will need the 2d amendment to go away….he with guns wins all ties.
2) the New Obama Freikorps in alliance with point 1 means a politically indoctrinated youth that will likely be prepared to “help the cause”….
Bambi and Rahm get to pick “the cause”.
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM
lalalalalalalala *gasp* lalalalala
RushBaby on November 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Don’t go overoard, though, in making Obama out to be some new Stalin or Mao. There are too many old Clinton leftovers to be revolutionary; if he had planned on coming in with an entirely new and relatively unknown crew, I’d be more worried.
ddrintn on November 14, 2008 at 12:26 AM
ah KY let me save you a five word rebuttal and clue you in that Chrissy Tingle saved your spot behind him in the fluffer line…
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 12:26 AM
It will be under the most innocent looking one.
MB4 on November 14, 2008 at 12:27 AM
That seems to be your entire argument, if you can call it that.
capitalist piglet on November 14, 2008 at 12:27 AM
I’ve got my first Yodeling lesson tomorrow.
EZnSF on November 14, 2008 at 12:27 AM
LOL…quote of the day!
Limerick on November 14, 2008 at 12:28 AM
No what you seem to want to believe that all the Dems will go in lockstep no how nutty the idea. You know the saying “all politics is local”. Close the coal plants – write off all of those districts, force people to do community service – goodbye even more districts.
If you think he has aspirations to try for re-election I would submit that he won’t go all that extreme.
Remember how Bush and the Conservatives were going to privatize social security, cut spending and the like. those were promises yet even with a majority it didn’t happen.
No difference.
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Come on. You’re better than that.
MadisonConservative on November 14, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Here have a tinfoil hat…
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Racist!
Murphy9 on November 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Racist.
RushBaby on November 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM
MB4 may be alluding to the fact that a CNSF (Civilian National Security Force) may be activated and attached to existing government organization such as DHS, or be created from a hollowed out organization currently existing. It could be created by statute without arms and later armed by executive order. It could be created with a mandate subject to future change.
Leftists are not stupid or harmless.
sharrukin on November 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM
It all depends on if he can fund plenty of welfare services and payouts to tens of millions of Americans in the coming years with tax cuts for 95% of the workers, as we now expect from him under his utopian promise of socialist change.
The Age of Obama as a failed socialist experiment with dashed hopes for impoverished masses? Probably a result not much different than expected in large developing nations:
econavenger on November 14, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Never played thimblerig, have you?
MB4 on November 14, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Considering the seemingly endless depth to Congressional corruption? Possible, as long as enough wheels were given enough grease.
doubleplusundead on November 14, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Not after this much vino. *selects tinfoil pajamas, bids friends goodnight*
RushBaby on November 14, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Remember how Bush and the Conservatives were going to privatize social security, cut spending and the like. those were promises yet even with a majority it didn’t happen.
No difference.
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:28 AM
bush did not have a digtial army of 3-4million that can be mobilized as simply as sending an email alert. He didn’t have a warchest that can and will run against incumbants in their own primaries if they don’t paly ball. the dems are not the reps. We do not have the filbuster like the dems had during the social security debate or the amnesty debate.
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Bradky
The leftists did march in lockstep under Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, and Kim Jong-il. The leftists have also started to do the same under the creepy cult like behaviour displayed towards Obama.
sharrukin on November 14, 2008 at 12:37 AM
the entire sum of the “nah Bambi wasn’t serious” ‘argument’ seems to be….come on the idiot has no idea what he’s saying…..
oh ok…except…..
he just picked a guy for his hatchet man who deeply believes in Kibbutz Kidz as a model…..
“just coincidence”….
oh ok…..
and the rehabilitation of William “why yes I do know how to do an IRA impersonation” Ayers as a credible force and Billy shocker ALSO believes in indoctrinating youth “volunteerism”.
I grew up poor and even back in the late seventies the college whackjob guidance counselors they’d send to the projects were pushing the prototype “social justice” junk.
Mandatory voluntary will not get my child.
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Not a matter of “better than that”, as one should always use the proper tool for the proper job – never use a sledge hammer when a fly swatter will do.
Murphy9 on November 14, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Perhaps I am more confident than you are that the country will survive an Obama presidency and in 2012 there won’t be reeducation camps, armed civilian pc police, and government price controls on every commodity.
There is being concerned and there is being scared of every word someone utters. the latter is no way to live.
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:40 AM
They’ll be trained to work in the government owned factories of the nationalized automobile industry or as health care bureaucrats in the nationalized health care industry or as tree farmers in the nationalized
global warmingenergy industry.Can everyone say “the collectivization of labor and government ownership of the means of production”.
Maybe the LAWYER and LAW SCHOOL BLOGGERS might want to rethink their “let’s be moderate and loyal in our opposition”.
ignatzk on November 14, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Racist!
Murphy9 on November 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM
I have learned to embrace my inner racist. I kind of like it. I do not suffer from white guilt. I am glad my ancestors destroyed the indians instead of Europe. I’m happy that my ancestors destroyed slavery. I am glad that America was born by white chirstians. Africa and Latino countries are not doing so well. To those that think the white man stoled what he has. screw you. We earned everything we have thru blood sweat and tears.
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:40 AM
No, but their labor pool was raised to rebel while taking out the trash.
Some will be well trained and have the grit to do what they are told, but they will need to be spread out to provide a core to an untried, untested, and unmotivated cadre, and one who has no concept of community, only self.
Limerick on November 14, 2008 at 12:40 AM
If anything this may well be what destroys them in the end though. Empire building within the bureacracy gets insane in command economies….
HUD will want its own Commandos…..
funny stuff.
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Considering Obama got a good portion of the under 30 vote I suppose you must believe in reincarnation. From the streets of Berlin to Grant Park….
Sheesh
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM
IN MY 2 1/2 YRS OF POSTING HERE, THIS IS THE BEST NEWS EVER:.
If anyone’s in the mood for a little GOOD OBAMA / CONSTITUTIONAL NEWS:
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It seems OBAMA HAS NOT ESCAPED THE ELIGIBILITY CLAUSEafterall.
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This NJ case was NOT SHOT DOWN FOR STANDING as the Berg & Martin cases were.
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This case is going to be heard by Supreme Court Justice Thomas on ITS MERITS. Check it yourself: Leo Donofrio vs (NJ Sec. of State) Nina Wells Donofrio v. Wells, US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407
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THIS CASE HAS LEGS- the Supreme Court Clerk for Justice Souter tried to sabotage it twice, but has been forced by CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC to PROPERLY PROCESS IT.
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THOSE PEOPLE WHO PAID $20,000 FOR OBAMA INAUGURATION TIX ON EBAY ARE GOING TO BE SOOO PISSED!</strong>
NightmareOnKStreet on November 14, 2008 at 12:44 AM
the media’s already trying to sell people on the idea that they want to “wait for tax cuts” while also laying the groundwork for “The REALLY New Deal”…..
wait and see has its place….
Bambi trying to codify the Bambi Youth so my child has to sing “Obama’s Gonna Change It!” or “American Prayer” ain’t the place for “wait and see”.
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM
If he doesn’t intend to deliver on it, why did he say it? Who was he trying to appeal to?
Jim Treacher on November 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM
I understand what you are saying and largely agree. The thing is though, is that the leftists have no overt religion. They often look towards human agents and elevate them to demi-god status. Hitler, Lenin, Stalin are examples of these sorts of cults. If you see them as religious fanatics you can understand why previously unmotivated individuals can rapidly become something else.
sharrukin on November 14, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Drinking while posting is usually not a good idea.
Bradky on November 14, 2008 at 12:46 AM
a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting – three hundred million people all with the same face.” Part 1, Chapter 7, pg. 77
unseen on November 14, 2008 at 12:46 AM
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