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posted at 10:35 pm on November 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
“Does that sound like a force that could kick down your door in the middle of the night and haul you off to a Gulag or concentration camp?”
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FarceCheck.org
progressoverpeace on November 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Ya know, Allahpundit, you sure do work hard on knocking down Obama’s own words about his civilian national security force.
Nuance?
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Well yes it does. It really does.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM
HADOUKIN!!
abobo on November 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM
At $650B+…..
..that’s going to be one hell of a Peace Corps.
aquaviva on November 13, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Allahbama!
artist on November 13, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Non serviam.
flipflop on November 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I guess Odummy hasn’t bothered to actually check on how much we spend on our military.
Where is all of THAT money going to come from, Omoron, you mammoth dumba$$?
How did this fool get elected?
Bishop on November 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM
If it is to be funded as well as the military, does that mean that the military has to be cut or we have to spend 600 billion on the Peace Corps/Americorps/boondogle for Obamabots?
KW64 on November 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Wow, remember the good ol’ days, when factcheck.org was fairly even-handed?
RegularJoe on November 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I believe the boss even once said that Factcheck.org is garbage.
vcferlita on November 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM
FactChuck.org
pappy on November 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
A civilian security force with the budget of the Pentagon?
That’s a whole lot of numbers and dollars for just putting flowers in the ends of guns, so yes, I would say there is a there there.
Spirit of 1776 on November 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
No, but it does sound like a force that’s gonna cost the American taxpayer a couple bil.
malan89 on November 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Obama’s words are clear. One does not need FactCheck.org to understand them.
Weight of Glory on November 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
13th amendment. I think BHO needs to read that document.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Fatchance.org
katy on November 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM
It wouldn’t if there weren’t such a creepy cult around Obama. It isn’t what the proposal is, but rather what it could become.
ddrintn on November 13, 2008 at 10:46 PM
You forgot section two of that amendment:
How much you wanna bet a Dem-controlled Congress will pass “appropriate legislation” saying this type of slavery is just fine?
flipflop on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Well at least Maobama has realized that the “regular” military doesn’t want anything to do with him, and he has to create a new one from his cult children Obamatrons.
anniekc on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
C’mon…I’m no Obama fan by ANY means…but anyone who thinks there will actually be some “defense force” he’s accused of sponsoring is a little nutty.
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
How the hell is he going to be sworn in to defend, protect and uphold the very document he thinks is flawed?
katy on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Is anyone keeping track of all this stuff for the Obama Blooper reel? Where is Ed McMahon? He needs a job doesn’t he?
sherry on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Obama DOES think the Constitution is flawed. Go ahead claim I have ODS.
Jamson64 on November 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Tell you what, if Omarxa says that one out of four volunteers would be sent to Haiti, Sudan, Liberia or Palestine to work, then I would accept the plan.
I’d like to see how many people would actually join if they knew they had a 25% chance of being sent to work in some hellhole rather than planting flowers in Belgium or ‘spreading goodwill’ in Paris.
Self-described “caring liberalism” would dry up faster than a puddle in the Sahara.
Bishop on November 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM
FWIW, I did send the eyeblast link over to FactCheck.org with a little note that given Rahm Emanuel’s expected position in the next administration and the comments made on the audio, the factcheck article presents an incomplete picture. I doubt it will go anywhere, but if everyone sent the same comments to factcheck.org, perhaps we’d see an update at some point. I wouldn’t put money on it, but eh, consider it my small contribution to “hope and change”.
kgs_mvs on November 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Nuttier than someone who proposes such an idiotic idea (civilian national security force as powerful and well-funded as the military)? Nuttier than people who vote for such a moron?
progressoverpeace on November 13, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Living.
Breathing.
Flawed.
artist on November 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
How much you wanna bet a Dem-controlled Congress will pass “appropriate legislation” saying this type of slavery is just fine?
flipflop on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Congress can define slavery and indentured servitude all it wants. The Courts will have the final say and as of now I don’t thing they will agree with BHO or Congress. I can see a consitutional crisis coming between the SCOTUS and POTUS and Congress. With Congress and the President having total control It will be the SCOTUS that applies the breaks. I don’t think Roberts, Alito, Scalia are going to chuck the consituiton in a moment of bipartisian obama worship.
Souter has already told Obama to produce a real birth certificate by dec 1st.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Uh, ya. Ya, it does.
sheesh on November 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
DITTO
Jamson64 on November 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
What will be in reality and what is in his head are two different things.
What is in his head is what is disconcerting.
Spirit of 1776 on November 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I happen to think you’re right about a domestic defense force in the way a lot of people are talking about it. But this thing just dovetails too nicely with Rahm Emanuel’s words about a “civil defense force” (his words) made up Obama’s core voting bloc of 18-25 year olds.
Children of the corn, anybody?
flipflop on November 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Why couldn’t Obama squeeze an explanation into one of his speeches in the last FOUR months?
When we hear about getting into people’s faces, never allowing us to go back to our lives as usual, not being ok with eating however much we want, driving our SUVs, or keeping our homes on 72 degrees at all times, our imaginations are bound to wander.
Greenhelmet on November 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Question.
FMJs or hollow points when they come?
Just kidding.
JHPs, of course.
MadisonConservative on November 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM
How the hell is he going to be sworn in to defend, protect and uphold the very document he thinks is flawed?
katy on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
kind of hard to square that circle, I agree
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Factcheckcreditmoneyorderorcash.org?
CK MacLeod on November 13, 2008 at 10:53 PM
but anyone who thinks there will actually be some “defense force” he’s accused of sponsoring is a little nutty.
Anyone who thinks the Jews will actually be rounded-up and sent to some sort of “labor camp” is nutty, said one German Jew to another.
The expansion of these programs will be accompanied by enhanced responsibilities and powers; Obambo’s intended scope goes far beyond what Americorp’s original charter provided for.
Bishop on November 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Sigh. Question, what did we do to deserve this? Can you say compacency?????We may be screwed, but we need to look inward. Now, let’s quitcherbitchen and get to work!
Chewy the Lab on November 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Obama DOES think the Constitution is flawed. Go ahead claim I have ODS.
Jamson64 on November 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Most blacks do. they see it as a means that allowed slavery and a flawed document. And they think if the founders were wrong on the slavery issue what makes them right on the first second etc amendments.
In fact that about sums up the left’s view of the document. since the consitution was wrong once they reason it can and probalby is wrong on other things like guns and therefore must be changed.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
MadisonConservative on November 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM
My SOCOM-16 has a tendency to nosedive incoming rounds off the magazine so I’m going with FMJ and relying on brute bullet force.
Just kidding.
Of course.
Bishop on November 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Then explain Rahm Emanuel talking about three months basic training! That just happens to be the same length of time for military basic training. You think that’s one long first aid course?
sharrukin on November 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM
I fully expect the Energy Corp Division of the Obama Corp to knock on my door and monitor how many light bulbs and what type I’ve got on. There will be fines for a refusal of compliance, and neighborhood groups will govern. Either that or yes, I expect to be hauled off to the deprogramming camps. Why? Because I listen to terrorists, fascists and other crazies when they tell you what they want to do, and figure they’re downplaying such fantasies.
Obamalama Deprogrammer on November 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
For Fact-Check to say this:
is just absolutely farcical as an explanation for Obama’s words:
I didn’t know that the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps and USA Freedom Corps were a security force that needed to be powerful and strong (not to mention as well funded as the military)!
FactCheck needs a word and reading comprehension check.
INC on November 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
They probably don’t object to the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments though. There are procedures to “change” through amendments.
ddrintn on November 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Osama Obama did tell us to expect “fundamental changes” in America….
Now that he can shed the mainstream camo and huddle with his buds — like Ayers, who is even now being “rehabilitated” — and Wright — I don’t give the poor old Constitution much chance against him and the rubber-stamp Congress.
Seems to me the “oh, he won’t be so bad” types are going to be in for one helluva surprise over the next couple years.
MrScribbler on November 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Tommy_G on November 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers- liar, leftist, loser.
profitsbeard on November 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Actually, I think it’s three months of political indoctrination they’re shooting for.
flipflop on November 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Ummmmmmmmmm………….. what about a bigger question?
The United States Armed Forces are under the Command of the Comander in Chief……….. The President of the United States.
Mr. Obama’s new Civilian Defense Force will be under the control of The President of the United States.
Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I don’t think that deal about December 1st and the birth certificate is right. I have heard that it was a rumor that came only from one site, and I news-googled it just now, and turned up only a few sites that claimed that, and most of them right-leaning.
Alana on November 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Guys, guys, guys. Obama doesn’t want a private army, that’s just kooky. He just wants some fat interns and a box of cubanos. Now have some soylent-green and go back to sleep.
/ODS Lobotomy
TMK on November 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
1. Why use the term ‘Civilian’ when talking about something like the Peace Corp?
2. Why use the term ‘Security’ when talking about something like the Peace Corp?
3. Why even bring up the military?
4. Why say it should be just as ‘powerful’ as the military. What the heck does that mean in the context of a Peace Corp?
sharrukin on November 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Q: Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like “Civilian National
Secruity force”?
A:This false claim is a badly distorted version of Obama’s
call for doubling the Peace Corps,creating volunteer
Nteworks and increasing the size of the Foreign Service.
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Lets see,i think volunteer Networks is a code or cover for
recruitment for registering the ‘Volunteers’ as Democrats!
And the CNSF,sounds like a ‘Jack-Booted Thugs’ that will be
patrolling the hood!
Their is already a ‘National Guard’!
So,while I understand the Obama Derangement Syndrome,I don’t
understand Hopey/Changey’s need for his own ARMY!!!
Like anything Hopey’s seems to touch,this REEKS TO HIGH
HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on November 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
a. FactCheck.org ignores (likely deliberately) the current context, which is Emanuel’s radio interview statements and quotes from his book, which have recently come to the fore,
b. The fact that language on Change.gov said “require” and then was altered (after all the “right-wing blog” excitement) to “setting a goal,”
c. The Gestapo has nothing to do with it now or in 1935. The Hitler Youth movements didn’t have police powers or guns either. That wasn’t their purpose. But they were excellent vehicles for indoctrination.
No, Obama is not Hitler, not even close. But I assume both AP and EM have heard the phrase “thin edge of the wedge.” By all means, don’t become “deranged,” i.e. lose your objectivity. But there’s no reason to casually dismiss relevant evidence just because those advocating these programs speak in calm tones of voice, either.
JDPerren on November 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
By the way……………. don’t forget about the 30+ Million Illegal Aliens that will now be armed……..
Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Seems to me Obama is planning something that has unintended consequences. Stupid sometimes lays the logical ground work for far worse.
aikidoka on November 13, 2008 at 11:05 PM
You’re got that right.
Also, who do you think will be running the re-education camps?
rickster on November 13, 2008 at 11:05 PM
This is nothing more than a back door draft. I can hear the railing now….I didn’t sign up for this once they are shipped to Darfur or some other hellhole.
Unlike the fine print people didn’t read before signing their mortgage, there will be no government bailout for this mistake.
swami on November 13, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Sh#t,that Networks,and not Nteworks!Ugh!
canopfor on November 13, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I will repeat, folks…all kidding aside.
This election saw a citizenry purchase of arms and ammunition like has not been seen in a long time. The armory of the people, in a matter of days, increased substantially.
The government knows this. Which means Obama knows this.
And he is not stupid.
MadisonConservative on November 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Wow, OK I’m getting raked by quite a few for NOT believing in this “defense force” nonsense. Is everyone turning “Truther” or something?
Sorry….Jets just broke the tie with 3+ minutes!!
OK, just stop and listen to yourselves…Next thing you’ll be believing is we’re all headed for FEMA camps with chips in our rears that the guys in the black helicopters put in us, because we were made sick by chemtrails perpetrated by the Illuminati.
C’mon…
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM
You have to take what he said in the context of the man he has chosen to be his Chief of Staff. Emanuel wrote a book with mandatory service in mind, and he wasn’t talking about picking up litter.
capitalist piglet on November 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Remember the key words!
Just as P-O-W-E-R-F-U-L-L
Just as S-T-R-O-N-G
Just as W-E-L-L * F-U-N-D-E-D !
————————————————–
No matter how you say, it or slice it,it means armed,
trained,and of the financial capacity of the
United States Military!
Or,are they going to play the parseing of words
game!!
canopfor on November 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
d. No one is saying they will even get this off the ground. The worrisome thing is that the soon-to-be leader of the executive branch of the government, and his new Chief of Staff, are the sort of men who want to do this kind of thing. That they are even talking about something like this is horrific. It’s collectivism run amok.
JDPerren on November 13, 2008 at 11:18 PM
And Congress is just gonna, supposedly, approve this funding?
*sigh*
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Texas- Good. Problem, too close to the rest of the continent. Too much border to guard.
Alaska- Better. No US border. Too much land and wildlife to fight off for the wimps in the National civilian security force
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:19 PM
That’s kind of what I’ve been wondering. I don’t know what the numbers are, and frankly I’m too lazy to look it up at the moment, but running every 18-25 y/o through a three month program would have to be a massive undertaking.
Think of the infrastructure that would have to be built. Think of the impact to the services sector of the economy when a huge portion of their labor pool is gone. And, like you said, who’ll be delivering the training?
The more I consider this, the more I think even Obama and Emanuel must realize this just isn’t feasible.
flipflop on November 13, 2008 at 11:19 PM
And when a tower falls what will this peace loving, trash pickin upping, crusader knight of a force do? Can they land a chopper, aim an M4, or operate a missle battery? Then what the frak good are they other then to walk behind the herse and look glum?
Limerick on November 13, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Exactly. I wonder what the “civilian” counterpart is going to be just for our strategic nuclear arsenal or blue-water navy. That’s a lot of funding and a lot of power to mirror at home. I guess he might just point our arsenal at US targets and have nuclear subs running the coasts to keep the “civilians” in order … Happy days.
progressoverpeace on November 13, 2008 at 11:20 PM
There is more than enough information out there to understand what this man is driving at. We are simply taking Obama at his word. And there is a mountain of audio, video and writings that confirm this.
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:22 PM
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I tend to listen to peoples word when they say something. It is the spin you are listening too. Obama in his own words said these things. Will it be a group like the SS? I doubt it at first. But history shows that once these types of groups get started they take on a life of their own. Best not to even start down the path. We have been blessed in this country of never having an armed coup. Of not living in fear of the army or the civil authorities because of our policitcal beliefs. We do not need this force whatever it will become. Obama was stupid for suggesting it. If he wants to increase the youth giving back to their country fine. fund the boy scouts, give to the red cross, start progrmas to help the candy strippers. Government can help fund private voluntary efforts.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 11:22 PM
So this is where the 25% cut in our Military budget is going. Okay, now I get it.
Ozark_sky on November 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Limerick on November 13, 2008 at 11:24 PM
All hail the Messiah, Obama, Obama!
El_Terrible on November 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM
I definitely agree on helping the candy strippers. ;-)
flipflop on November 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Oh wait a tick,*eyes open wide,light bulb goes off over
one’s head*,
the Anti-War Moonbats want their own ARMY,
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I get it!!!!
canopfor on November 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM
FactCheck: Obama’s detractors make much of his expansive (and exaggerated) description of such a force as being “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the U.S. military.
Translation: FactCheck decided that Obama was exaggerating–therefore, FactCheck decided that it’s dishonest to quote Obama as if he really meant it.
That is NOT unbiased fact checking! That is FactCheck spinning an inconvenient gaffe for Obama’s benefit (I really hope it’s just a gaffe).
daryl_herbert on November 13, 2008 at 11:26 PM
EXCELLENT POINT!!
Ozark_sky on November 13, 2008 at 11:27 PM
We are the frogs in the pot. Obama and the libs have been turning up the heat for decades and now it’s on high. Jump or die.
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:27 PM
definitely agree on helping the candy strippers. ;-)
flipflop on November 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM
I thought that might get the interest of some of the more perverted among us.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 11:29 PM
This thread has gone “truther”…
I’ve been in some wacky threads the last couple of years here, but this one takes the cake.
People really believe this “defense force” baloney…unreal.
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM
More sense. Everyone should take a spoonful and calm down. Consider the logic in this. A bunch of soy-munching hippie socialists who are all against guns, and therefore have no training with them, and even less responsibility and discipline, are going to create a fighting force?
I’ll buy that right after you tell me the AARP is going to hold a rave.
MadisonConservative on November 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM
They’re welcome to try. I just wouldn’t want to be the first one through the door.
CurtZHP on November 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Then what was he talking about?
You can keep saying truther all day, but what was he talking about ‘just as powerful as the military‘?
sharrukin on November 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Yes, but….soy-munching hippie socialists can get so intense when they want to. You know, all that chanting and..and…being disapproving and all….*sniff*…
PS jetboy is a fag.
Fortunata on November 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
*sigh*
Ban hammer, please.
MadisonConservative on November 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Remember what was posted the day after the election at pres-elect.gov?? REQUIRED TO SERVE! BHO’s goons slithered in and changed it but WE all read it!!
Ozark_sky on November 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Rahm Emmanuel actually mentioned on the audio that they would be getting three months basic training.
sharrukin on November 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I just came back from an AARP rave! It was a gas! Everybody passing out mylantas. Good time had by all!
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM
OT: Anyone see Drudge?
pmanley on November 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM
all we got at ours was Depends :(
Limerick on November 13, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Before you knock down my door, please ring the bell. I promise I will open it.
DL13 on November 13, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Put a flower through basic training for as many months as you want.
In the end, they’ll still be a pansy who wilts when you put a gun on them.
MadisonConservative on November 13, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Do you REALLY believe that? Really? “just as powerful as the military”?
JetBoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:40 PM
I thought it was Bush that was running concentrations camps and trampling on our constitution rights. What gives?
Kini on November 13, 2008 at 11:40 PM
OT: Anyone see Drudge?
pmanley on November 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM
what part?
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Can we still have the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts or are they not secular enough for the Obama Nation?
winemkr on November 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Oh, score! BWAAHAA!
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Main headline. I’ve been away for awhile so wasn’t sure if people caught it, and didn’t feel like searching through the comments.
pmanley on November 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM
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