No, “Martin Eisenstadt” wasn’t Fox News’s source for the Palin Africa smear
posted at 1:00 pm on November 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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There’s enough confusion on this point that I feel obliged to throw Campaign Carl a lifeline, even though he probably doesn’t deserve it. What is true: “Martin Eisenstadt,” the McCain advisor who claimed to have fed FNC the scoop about Palin’s foreign policy idiocy, is a big fat hoax cooked up by a pair of tools to stir some buzz and torment lazy fact-checkers. What isn’t true: Speculation that “Eisenstadt” was indeed Cameron’s source and that CC got duped the same way MSNBC did. Tain’t so, per HuffPo:
However, while MSNBC — which ran with Eisenstadt’s story, along with The New Republic and Mother Jones — has retracted the story (that Eisenstadt was the McCain camp leak), Fox News won’t be retracting Carl Cameron’s original report about the Palin/Africa flap, because it did not come from Eisenstadt — which the Huffington Post was told on background earlier this week and which the filmmakers confirmed to TVNewser Thursday…
The good news: Fox’s reporting on the smears isn’t based on a lie. The bad news: Fox’s reporting on the smears isn’t based on a lie — at least, not vis-a-vis the sourcing. As for Cameron, he admits to Howard Kurtz that “To the degree people thought I was enjoying my reporting — some thought I looked overenthusiastic — I may have blown the execution.” Which isn’t the issue at all; the issue is why he ran with scandalous allegations that are not only preposterous on their face, but which have since been challenged publicly by people in a position to know (as well as competing networks). Exit question: The same Kurtz piece quotes Mike Allen of Politico as saying this about his source for the infamous comment that Palin’s a “whack job.”
Allen says of the whack-job portrayal: “I found it illuminating because it came from an extremely senior McCain person, clearly reflecting the views of others in the inner circle. I would not have used it from the peanut gallery, internal or external.”
Who would qualify as “extremely senior”? Rick Davis, Schmidt, Salter… Anyone else?
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it is a lie. Seeing as now everyone is out defending her.
ousoonerfan15 on November 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Claudius, the campaign bus driver’s gardener’s plumber?
Limerick on November 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM
McCain?
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Cameron doesn’t deserve a lifeline.
Spirit of 1776 on November 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Boy , this is so tiring. If I didn’t have so much work to do, I’d just have to have a nap about now.
beththebaker on November 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM
hmmm. people Palin is a whack job compared to the elite power brokers. I mean who would want to have smaller gov? less taxes? less power in washington. to the washington insiders she is a Whack job. To the people, the base She is normal.
Strange times when our leaders are so out of touch that the voice of the people seems so off kilter.
unseen on November 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM
I dont know why anyone cares about this crap anymore. This wont effect her ONE bit in her future. As seen this week as she has handled all of her interviews brilliantly.
ousoonerfan15 on November 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM
It’s Salter. Sarah seems done with this crap though, judging by the press conference at the RGA. She dismissed campaign questions
lodge on November 13, 2008 at 1:07 PM
I say it was Eisenstadt, and they are too embarrassed to report it.
They can continue to say “extremely senior” and no one can prove it.
Fox was taken for a ride, and now they are hiding behind some faux journalistic rule of honor.
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 1:08 PM
I really believe that the only careers that all of this will affect are the careers of McCain’s top aides. Who will ever want to hire them after all of this?
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Still not good enough, Carl.
latinchic on November 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM
If I was in charge, CC would have two options. Name his source, then go to the celebrity beat on Fox & Friends. Keep quiet, get fired.
Rhinoboy on November 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Randy Scheunemann has made a good business decision though. He’s in the Palin camp
lodge on November 13, 2008 at 1:11 PM
its not like these “aides” are going to say anything more to the press. I bet McCain told them all to shut up late last week. They all saw those approval ratings she has in the republican party and realized that they needed to rightfully be defending her publicly.
ousoonerfan15 on November 13, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Hand Carl Cameron a rope to hang himself in dishonor, not a lifeline.
omnipotent on November 13, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Thanks for this, Allah. There’s a lot of confusion in the comments. The post important thing is this doesn’t clear Carl Cameron and Fox from practising irresponsible journalism.
CanadianGuy on November 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM
All about the image, eh? Not the content, eh? Nice.
Karen_VA on November 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM
If Sarah would simply appear ONCE before the adult media (instead of professional flatterers), and present herself as an informed thoughtful person, these “smears” would become moot.
Kinda makes one wonder why she refuses to do so.
benny shakar on November 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Cameron is sleazy. He should name his source and besides it is true that he was salivating when he reported the news. The question is would they be having the same enthusiasm if they were reporting something about the Messiah?
mariloubaker on November 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Ummm … nevermind.
CanadianGuy on November 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Why hasn’t Fox at least forced an apology from Carl (or did I miss that somewhere?). When did unverified gossip become news? Oh well, it is over, and Fox, McCain and crew are the ones left with egg on their faces.
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM
That Cameron reminds me of the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz, I realize that is an insult to Ray Bolger.
clnurnberg on November 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Joe Lieberman? Chuck Hagel? Colin Powell?
eaglewingz08 on November 13, 2008 at 1:15 PM
McCain
Black
Davis
Salter
Schmidt
Fiorina
All of the Above.
Fletch54 on November 13, 2008 at 1:15 PM
The best thing to do is never to get McCain staffers in the near future to handle any campaign for GOP nominees at all -period.
mariloubaker on November 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Carl Cameron and Shepherd Smith should hit the road.
Travis1 on November 13, 2008 at 1:17 PM
My money is on one of the McCains
clnurnberg on November 13, 2008 at 1:17 PM
It is McCain via Mark Salter. Salter is McCain’s right-hand man.
McCain is annoyed that he couldn’t get his man Lieberman for VP, so he is piling the trash on Palin. In his mind, he thinks Lieberman would have brought him more votes. HA HA HA!
What a disgrace. How unprofessional and juvenile these two men are.
Can’t wait for Palin to be in the senate and kick some RINO butt!
PALIN POWER all the way!!!
jencab on November 13, 2008 at 1:17 PM
This is rich. From the NYT story:
Then, a few paragraphs later:
Ha ha! Look at the stupid bloggers!
John from WuzzaDem on November 13, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Allah…the Newsweek story is the result of embargoed reporters embedded in the campaigns. The disclosures went on for a year, and were libraried for after the election. They were not instaleaked in a blame game.
The info was collected before the election loss.
And Newsweek is planning more stories.
Cameron was “leaked” to at the time he made his Palin infomercial— member, she didn’t answer Couric because she was “annoyed”? Cameron was embargoed from reporting what they told him until after the election.
Exit question: What else has Newsweek got? I think Cameron shot his load. But Newsweek maybe more juicy bits.
matoko_chan on November 13, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Add O’Reilly to that mix.
jencab on November 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Hmm, McCain has not come to her defense, at least directly. And he patronizes her by saying he is “proud of her” for being part of his campaign. Would he have said that of, say, Romney or Huckabee? I think he would have said he was honored that they chose to join him, not that he was proud of them.
Maybe McCain himself is the source!
cap_losaltos on November 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Well, maybe the explains Mccain’s spineless answer to the question…..”these things happen.” Fingerprints all over this one.
HornetSting on November 13, 2008 at 1:19 PM
It’s McCain and his Tourette’s….not exactly coprolalia but close enough for his vitriolic tongue.
gracie on November 13, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Weeks before the election the wardrobe issue surfaced. Who bought the clothes? And who was Palin’s handler and made Couric the next stop after Gibson? Who has been less than convincing in their defense of Palin, and did not come out of their shell until 48 hours after the last wardrobe story?
It comes down to this for me, I think they are all guilty because they discussed this stuff in front of some that should not have been privy to their discussions. Second, some of these people are performing CYA like we have not seen since Hillary came out and said the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy nuts were responsible for the slanders against her husband and his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Anyone, and I mean anyone that handled Palin and participated in this McCain campaign on senior levels needs to be regarded as contaminated material. Too many of them seem to be Democrat-Lites. Until they have been properly fumigated or disinfected, they need to be held in quarantine.
As for CC, crap weasel is my impression of his reporting and going with his “unnamed sources”.
freeus on November 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Brooks, Will, Noonan, Parker, Buckley (he should have that name stripped from him) all jumped ship after Palin was selected. Clearly there is a faction of the GOP that does not want an outsider to be competing for the top job.
To them I say, as an independent, being Democrat-lite is not going to win us over. Big nanny state vs. not so big nanny state is not a clear choice. Be the party of less government, lower taxes, strong national defense, belief in federalism. That is a stark contrast to Dear Leader’s social democracy. I, for one, refuse to believe the can do rugged individualism spirit of the American people is dead.
rbj on November 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I believe we have a winner! I’ve been suspicious of McCain himself since that tool CC opened the can of worms. McCain’s refusal to offer anything positive on Leno sealed the deal for me.
BadDogMN on November 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM
uh benny. She did two more of these “media interviews” just yesterday. How many times has barry been interviewed over the past week??
ousoonerfan15 on November 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I’m guessing that it’s Cindy McCain’s boyfriend.
Vernon Hardapple on November 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Is that our new strategy? To answer allegation with allegation?
Palin says she and Mac are cool. That’s fine with me. I believe Mac likes her alot. So does his family. This smells like something else to me.
Spirit of 1776 on November 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Graham! He’s just sleazy enough to be believable as the “source”.
ErinF on November 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Actually Vernon, I was thinking La McCain herself. Palin really stole her thunder, didn’t she?
clnurnberg on November 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM
The ‘CUDA makes them sweat and cry for Mommy! Screw ‘em I say and more ‘CUDA!
ReaganConservative3 on November 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM
I think it was McCain as well. If not directly, then by way of Fiorina or Whitman. I think these very well spoken women had an axe to grind with Palin’s plainspoken manner. Not only that but they’de both destroy Carl Cameron if he rats them out.
anniekc on November 13, 2008 at 1:26 PM
It is beginning to look like the folks up in DC really don’t want anyone with a penchant for independent thought to join the ranks there. Back during the primaries, there was the effort to make Mike Huckabee look like one of those crazy religious cult types. I would love to vote out Chambliss come Dec. 2nd, but Jim Martin is awful. Basically, I wish we could start with all fresh blood.
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Someone explain to be how these smears were concocted by a hoaxster AND at the same time legitimate stories shared with Carl Cameron by a top McCain adviser.
Doesn’t it make sense that the top adviser Carl Cameron got the story from was just another person duped by the fabricated smears?
It cannot be both a hoax AND a true story.
nitzsche on November 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Why would McCain really need to dump on Palin like that? I just don’t see what purpose that would serve.
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:28 PM
If you would only make an intelligent post…kinda makes one wonder why you refuse to do so…
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 1:28 PM
I don’t know a lot about Carl Cameron, but I saw the original report and he was enjoying it for whatever reason. The man morphed into Chris Mathews right before my eyes.
Renae on November 13, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Yes it can. This is not that complicated.
CanadianGuy on November 13, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Joe the Leaker. He’s the opposite of Joe the Plumber. You see, plumbers fix leaks, and… nevermind.
Akzed on November 13, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Palin is close to turning this into an asset. A little scandalous reporting makes people question Palin. A lot of scandalous reporting brings doubt on the media.
Palin has the political skills to turn this whole thing on its head. Not much of this has really “stuck” so she’s on her way to becoming near-invincible. Next campaign she can say “There go the media on yet another unfounded, unsourced rumor…” and the people will cheer!
innominatus on November 13, 2008 at 1:29 PM
uh benny. She did two more of these “media interviews” just yesterday.
ousoonerfan15 on November 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Yeah, that Larry King is a great political journalist. Next week his guests include Alicia Keys, Christina Applegate, Donny & Marie Osmond.
If Sarah was more than a mere political dilettante she would be on Meet the Press, Face the Nation, This Week, and The NewsHour.
benny shakar on November 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM
I’ll never be able to look at Cameron again without imagining his head in that stew pot on Palin’s stove. lol.
Somebody should photoshop it.
Blake on November 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Monumental ego unable to accept his own defeat.
BadDogMN on November 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM
I thought the same thing, someone came up with a hoax at the same time as the “true” story?
It may end up like the Rather story, false documents but could be true…
I stick with my original post, it was Eisenstadt (please next time use a name like Smith or Cox so we can spell it).
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Many
1) No one’s talking about what a bad campaign run. They’re talking about the Palin smears. That was the headline out of McCain’s interview with Leno.
2) BLOG PIMP ALERT: Got to my blog and read the post I wrote on Saturday about McCain restoring his honour with his Democrat friends. That’s the whole point of the Palin went rogue narrative. John McCain wants to be able to return to his life as the Democrats’ favourite Republican, not the man whose campaign devised the Bill Ayers attack, especially after the way the press and some Dems portrayed it as racist.
CanadianGuy on November 13, 2008 at 1:32 PM
I do NOT believe HuffPo. They are only supporting Cameron to bolster ridicule of Palin.
Has Cameron stepped up and said “Eisenstadt” was NOT his source? Why did Cameron called Great up and tell Great he screwed the pooch, what did he mean by that?
I SAW Cameron deliver that report, he was breathless, excited, DROOLING over the bile he was spewing.
Cameron should be fired or demoted.
JustTruth101 on November 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM
It just feel out of his mouth, Kamikaze. I don’t believe it was deliberate and it had no purpose…. but it did hurt.
gracie on November 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Great = Greta (oops)
JustTruth101 on November 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Not to say that CNN’s crypt keeper gets that many viewers, but I’m sure he gets more viewers than all those shows you listed combined. It’s the masses, Einstein.
HornetSting on November 13, 2008 at 1:34 PM
The stupidest thing of all here is the premise. Whomever heard this was not clever enough to remember that Palin is exposed on a regular basis to items about Africa — a common topic in most Evangelical and Protestant congregations. Missionaries, aid, etc are common themes. She had that minister that prayed to keep her safe from witchcraft, for that matter — why is nobody bringing this up?
If she could have raised a high-school graduate and several others going through school right now, gotten through college herself, and still have missed this bit of information (stretches the imagination), she would have still been educated about this tidbit in church!
What is up with the media’s BS filters?
Prufrock on November 13, 2008 at 1:34 PM
That hurts my head to think about. Eh, I only voted for McCain to give Palin my vote and to not vote Obama.
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Carly Fiorina, Meg Whitman?
Huck?
FRED!?
BacaDog on November 13, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Exactly JustTruth101. This just shows that Allah is a moron. Believing anything the HuffPo has to say? HAHAHA.
MobileVideoEngineer on November 13, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I meant “fell” out of McCain’s mouth.
gracie on November 13, 2008 at 1:36 PM
she was also on with Blitzer. He definitely isnt a softball interview. She handled old wolfy too
ousoonerfan15 on November 13, 2008 at 1:36 PM
You foolish man (or woman or whatever). You think Meet the Press is the ultimate “vetter”, Tom Brokaw? You think George is the “man”?
I can see why you post like you do…you rely on Brokaw and Georgy to inform you.
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Prufrock makes a great point, and even if all of it were true (which we know it isn’t), isn’t the real problem our broken educational system?
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM
To keep the REAL conservatives out…he and his ilk cannot survive with real common sense and values in the Republican party. RINOS are an endangered species. They will be extinct, hopefully by 2014.
That is, if we all learned the lesson:
Don’t send in a dusty old RINO to do a conservative’s job.
HornetSting on November 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Campaign Carl was all but drooling as he breathlessly reported this stuff. He was enjoying every bit of it no matter what he says now. To a certain degree I can’t blame him because dishing dirt has to be more fun than having to listen to McCain speeches for six months. Nevertheless, he was unprofessional. FNC isn’t what it used to be.
highhopes on November 13, 2008 at 1:38 PM
+1
BacaDog on November 13, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Carl appears decidedly less gleeful these days. Heh.
haikusrock on November 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Hear! Hear!
These bozos should be ashamed to put “McCain Campaign aide” on their resume.
rickster on November 13, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I havent even seen Carl since he gave this report. He really does need to be put on the celebrity beat for a year or so.
ousoonerfan15 on November 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM
As much as I hate to think it, McCain himself fits that description.
lilfrybread on November 13, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Probably all of them… to cover their own asses…
Davis … said something to the effect that “We can’t win if the election is about us instead of Obama” and “We’re going to run on bio”…
Schmidt… got McCain to suspend his campaign…
Salter… is just excitable… offputtingly so….
Seriously, this election was lost a long time ago…
ninjapirate on November 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM
So we’ve still got anonymous sources calling Palin names and issuing playground taunts!
Whoa!!! Whooooaa!!! Devastating! How can anyone take Plain seriously again with that kind of high caliber indictment against her!!1!
Django on November 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM
This election was lost the moment McCain won the nomination. The ONLY good thing to come out of it was the introduction to the national stage of Sarah Palin.
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:49 PM
The quality level of political reporting and debate in America is somewhere around that of a bathroom wall at a school for the mentally handicapped.
Django on November 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM
I’d guess it’s the person who depends most of all on lobbying income. When Palin talks about ending quid pro quo government, she’s not just saying it. She means it.
RBMN on November 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM
BTW, I really want to know who handled the “lipstick on a pig” business… that’s where the mojo was lost… that’s when the campaign went from alpha to back to beta… I bet it was Salter…
ninjapirate on November 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Copy, paste and proofing errors. I meant to quote ninjapirate.
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM
The Democratic Party and late night comics agree wholeheartedly!
benny shakar on November 13, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Isn’t that the truth.
Spirit of 1776 on November 13, 2008 at 1:52 PM
You can’t truly believe McCain ever had a chance. Late night comics always find it easy to make fun of any Republican. It’s themselves they have trouble with. I don’t think the DNC ever had to worry this go-round.
Kamikaze on November 13, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Allahpundit, cultivate your own better nature sensitivity before attributing virtue where it does not exist. To give Carl Cameron, known fabricator, credence based upon Carl Cameron’s self evaluation is beneath your talent, though aligns with your temperament.
On Veterans Day Jay Leno Show, Sen. John McCain denied that ANY of his staff reported any of the anti-Palin propaganda to the press that includes Carl Cameron.
In your thread here, you would attribute Cameron with what you would deny McCain, knowledge from within McCain’s inner circle.
For Cameron to hide behind his claimed secret source is pathetic. If someone actually lied to Cameron, for Cameron to protect the lie and the liar is wrong, and to do so in order to keep himself in the news is pathetic. Cameron feigning journalistic virtue is disgusting! For FOX to have run shit is worse than pathetic since they publicly dispersed diarrhea virus in order to get a kick-back from Rx:Obama. Et tu.
maverick muse on November 13, 2008 at 2:01 PM
No, he did not. He said, “These things happen.”
CanadianGuy on November 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Actually we don’t know that. All we know is that it wasn’t based on this specific lie, which isn’t really all that comforting considering how easily other news organizations picked up on this lie.
Just because we’ve outed one lie, it doesn’t mean it was the only one.
Esthier on November 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Carl Cameron brought shit down to bear on himself, begging FOX NEWS to insert him into their network anal cavity as the responsible factor for their network proliferation of anti-Palin diarrhea.
Allapundit’s singing the Mighty Mouse leitmotif, “Here I Come To Save The Day!” Either get Cameron to spill his guts or drop it.
maverick muse on November 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM
The past year I have watched less and less of FNC, since Carl I have stopped watching. Watched Greta for the Sarah interviews. I have dropped FNC from my DISH programing, why pay extra. Cameron gets no lifeline from me, he blew it and so did BOR.
calgrammy on November 13, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Harsh
Grow Fins on November 13, 2008 at 2:25 PM
That’s an incredibly stupid comment. We give you several programs she’s done in just the last few days, and you move the bar once more, this time to your pet programs.
Esthier on November 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM
benny’s posting style is a dead ringer for alphie’s. NTTAWWT.
a capella on November 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM
CanadianGuy,
Whether true or not, McCain said that whoever reported those lies about Palin were NOT his inner circle, not his highest level staff, but only outsiders CLAIMING to be insiders. McCain said it was people he doesn’t even know who would have said such things about Palin.
My critique of McCain stands, that he would not have been a great Chief Executive, as proven through his poor leadership of his own POTUS CAMPAIGN STAFF (ideological and human relations). His appearance on the Leno Show was for his OWN benefit, not anyone else’s, to cover his own ass and shattered campaign efforts. He proved incapable/unwilling to nip the virus in the bud though he had all tools in hand, access and all knowledge of the scuttlebutt.
That McCain meant for Palin to be kept an outsider is evident. That McCain would prove such a little man towards his running mate is his own sore legacy. It is time for the progressive McCain to step aside and allow JD Hayworth to aid conservatism.
Palin proved that she would not let them all get her down no matter how terrible they proved to be themselves.
Yes, I support Palin. I knew what she was in for when McCain named her his VP pick, prayed for her, and still gladly support her today. Alaska has every right to be proud of Governor Palin, as do all conservatives at heart.
maverick muse on November 13, 2008 at 2:34 PM
This should be turned onto Cameron , we know by fact that this hoax “Martin” exist so demand him to prove it wasn’t his source.
And then let him be the fool..
the_nile on November 13, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Rick Davis, Schmidt, Salter… Anyone else?Rick Davis, Schmidt, Salter… Anyone else?
McCain, Weaver…
Look, “In Palin We Trust” is not the Rosetta Stone for returning to power.
indythinker on November 13, 2008 at 2:40 PM
FNC has devolved into a joke.
Between the idiot happy talk on F&F to moonbat wannabe Sheppy and the tedious O’Reilly the whole channel is one big shlockfest, while completely ignoring the conservatice audience that made them #1.
Now watch these toads break out the kneepads for Barry.
jjshaka on November 13, 2008 at 2:43 PM
I have it on good authority that Cameron got his quotes from some guy named Borat.
That is also where the bathtowel story came from . Borat is quoting as having said “Thaaat’s niiiiice”.
kurtzz3 on November 13, 2008 at 2:53 PM
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