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California: Hey, why not bail us out, too? Update: California responds

posted at 1:30 pm on November 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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California has a whopping $28 billion dollar deficit, thanks to their inability to control spending.  When Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger first took office on a platform of fiscal responsibility, the Golden State deficit was around $16.5 billion.  California has continued its spending spree and raised taxes that kill investment and businesses.  Now that they face a drastic shortfall in projected revenue, thanks to the economic mismanagement of California’s governing class, the Speaker of the Assembly has a great idea — why not let the federal government subsidize their irresponsibility?

Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, a Los Angeles Democrat, has drawn up a partial solution anyway: Federal money.

Use some of those Wall Street taxpayer $700 billion bailout bucks on California!

Bass has urged the federal government to hand over the money to states — well, her state anyway — as well as those rich Wall Street banks in another coastal state. Why should New York get it all?

With federal money it won’t really cost anything, see? And she won’t have to explain voting for more taxes back home come next election. It’s the least Americans can do for the sunshiney state they love to hate.

This is the latest suggestion in turning what should have been a limited program for the federal government to fix what it broke — mortgage-backed securities — into a free-for-all to subsidize failure.  After all, Bass can argue, if we’re going to bail out automakers in the private sector, why not bail out the public sector as well?  Who gives a damn about sovereignty when the voters may be around the corner with tar and feathers?

None of them should get a bailout, especially California.  Both the American auto industry and California share one common trait: exceptionally poor management.  The shareholders of the automakers should have acted to oust management and challenged the bloated labor contracts that have bankrupted American manufacturers.  California voters should have voted out the Democrats in 2006 and 2008 after they proved incapable of cutting spending.

The problem in California isn’t a revenue shortfall, it’s a wildly irresponsible spending spree.  The Governator is no exception.  While Arnold talked about fiscal responsibility and state deficits, he proposed boondoggles like the $3 billion for stem-cell research in 2005.  Instead of making tough choices, they simply kept spending and waited for someone to bail them out.

This former Californian says: Sorry, Karen, and the rest of the drunken sailors in Sacramento.  I’m not going to pay for the mistakes California made.  The Golden State made its own bed, and now it has to lie in it.  No one else wants to subsidize irresponsibility and mismanagement.  The party was over a long time ago, and now California has to find a way to pay its own tab.

Update: The deficit numbers are off, according to the governor’s office, who contacted me a short while ago.  The initial deficit was $16.5 billion for a single year, while the $28 billion is an estimate for two years. They also say the main problem is the credit crisis, and the deficit projection from the California Treasurer’s office was only $3 billion prior to October.  The press office says that a disproportionate portion of the revenue stream comes from capital-gains taxes, so when everyone took a bath, so did California.  They have a special session of the legislature at the moment, in part to restructure the tax stream.

They also want to point out that the budgets have been flat — no increase — for the past three years at $103 billion.

The governor’s press office didn’t note this, but I also corrected the last paragraph to remove the insinuation that Schwarzenegger supported Bass’ call for a federal bailout.


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None of them should get a bailout, especially California

Pretty remarkable that this ultra-liberal state wants a bailout to save them from their ultra-liberal policies.

Hey California, pay off your own debt, like the rest of us have to pay off ours.

Richard Romano on November 13, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Apologetic California on November 13, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Have you seen my and others’ posts on the Democrat legislature here? The Dems are so entrenched that there’s no changing anything. You can’t vote them out, you can’t recall them and you can’t fight them. The Republican party in CA is worthless except for people like McClintock and Runner. The party doesn’t even support its own people when they run against Boxer or Feinstein. Look at Schwarzenegger. He caved as soon as the going got tough. Instead of taking a stand, he fell under the weight of the unions, lobbyists and Democrats. Added to that, most people in CA, especially in the cities like LA and SF, are a bunch of tards. I mean it. They are the dumbest bunch of people. LA just voted in another freaking sales tax. Then there was the phone tax that was illegal and could have been eliminated completely. The council ran it as a tax “reduction” and the idiot Angelenos believed them and voted in a tax! If you look at the quality if LAUSD education, it’s no wonder why LA is full of retards. And don’t even get me started on Tony Villar, Rocky Delgadillo and the likes of them.

And then there are the gangs. Gangs that are being funded by the Mexican cartels. They’re dangerous. You cannot fight against them or you and yours will be targeted. How do you fight that? If they did it the Chinese way, killing gang members and their families, they’d have less influence (maybe). But the city council is all but bought and working for the gangs. They pass all sorts of “anti-gang” legislation and programs, but very little if any of it works.

If LA burned to the ground I wouldn’t weep for it. If CA broke off and floated away, I’d say let it go. I’m moving elsewhere.

wherestherum on November 13, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Hey maybe Aztlan will bail them out.

ronsfi on November 13, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Apologetic California on November 13, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I LIVED in a red area (Simi Valley)… I lived in Brentwood, Toluca Lake as well…I was there 20 years … what i gave you was one or two examples… it was endemic … it is not stupid logic, with all due respect, I think my children should not be martyrs. I still have plenty of conservative and liberal friends there, but I do not want my children questioning my values when the kids around them (and their parents) would be so different.
Do not be so condescending…I have had plenty of experiences that made my decision right … i will not sacrifice the foundation of my children to “save” California.. it’s just not that important!
As for when does this stop? It will stop when the majority of people in the cities/coast stop being narcissistic , self absorbed babies.

beththebaker on November 13, 2008 at 4:03 PM

wherestherum on November 13, 2008 at 3:52 PM

You can come to GA for a drink anytime, my friend.. I always have Rum!!

beththebaker on November 13, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Stop paying for illegals health care, education and welfare. In short, end sanctuary cities state. Save you lots o’ money there, Cali.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 13, 2008 at 4:06 PM

beththebaker on November 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Excellent point, and as a young kid growing up in the SF Bay Area (ground zero) in the aftermath of the “60’s cultural revolution” I can attest to how toxic the environment was as I was part of the toxicity.

Everything I did was my decision to do so I have no one to blame but myself for my mistakes, however it was much easier to make bad choices in a permissive environment brimming with lots of opportunities to make bad choices, lots of sex, drugs, and moonbeam parents of the 60’s letting their children “express themselves” however they wanted with little supervision and very little consequences for their actions.

I was a high school drop out, I didn’t finish my sophmore year, I was more intersted in partying, sex, drugs, and raising hell. Again, my choices and I take full responsibility for my actions and paid the price in how much I had to struggle to turn my life around and get on the right track. However, as I mentioned when you have a permissive environment ripe with opportunities to make the wrong choice it really makes it difficult (not impossible) even for the most grounded person to keep on the right track.

All I know is too many people I knew as far back as grade school didn’t turn their lives around and are now dead or in jail, I was fortunate to have seen the light and changed my ways before I too met the same fate.

STAY PEOPLE!

Apologetic California on November 13, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I hear what you’re saying, and yes there are very nice and livable bastions of red in California, however when I lived there making good money at an Aerospace plant in the mid 80’s I still could not afford my own home, that coupled with their ever growing nanny state and ultra-liberal agendas and ideology I had to leave. I have been in Arizona for 15 years now and I have owned three homes and the state has been very good to me, I just fear the nanny state liberals coming here and will drag AZ down the liberal toilet like it did in California.

Liberty or Death on November 13, 2008 at 4:13 PM

This Californian heartily agrees. Amid the financial chaos closing in all around us, most of the people I know (most of whom call themselves Republicans), still voted for the expensive and unnecessary high speed rail. And that’s just the latest in about a decade of ill-advised boondoggles.

Infidoll on November 13, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Thanks, beththebaker! The longer I stay here, the more rum I’m gonna need. The rum’s always gone…

P.S. Kudos to GA for passing anti illegal immigration legislation. That’s never going to happen here.

…What’s GA like in the winter?

wherestherum on November 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Ed:

and the deficit projection from the California Treasurer’s office was only $3 billion prior to October.

Only $3 billion…

that the budgets have been flat — no increase — for the past three years at $103 billion.

Uhmmmm, maybe we were spending too much three years ago too?

Ed, I am the opposite of you – my wife came here from MN and you left here for MN. Who has it worse? You have snow and potentially Al Franken. I have all this lefty madness…

juanito on November 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

I think California voters are just as culpable in this as the clowns in Sacramento due to their continuous approval of local ballot measures and state propositions.

The more they feed the beast, the bigger it gets.

Though thankfully, they do appear to be finally catching on as almost every spending proposition was voted down during this past election. Except for that silly “save the chickens” feel good proposition. I still don’t get the point of that one.

L.A. residents on the other hand, approved every spending measure, plunging our city even further into debt.

Come next March, no doubt they’ll finish the job by slitting their wrists and reelecting Mr. Special Order 40.

Walter Moore appears to be our only hope.

The Ugly American on November 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I saw Philly’s Mayor Nutter begging for a piece of the bail-out pie on a national newscast. States, cities, what’s next? Parks?

deedledee on November 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Amid the financial chaos closing in all around us, most of the people I know (most of whom call themselves Republicans), still voted for the expensive and unnecessary high speed rail.

OMG, tell me about it.

monorail….Monorail….MONORAIL!!!!

The Ugly American on November 13, 2008 at 4:47 PM

AMEN, brother…in NC so many from New York because of high taxes…so who did they vote for? The biggest spenders of the democrats even.

right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM

LOL….that’s what my brothers say.

They’ve ruined Wilmington & Wrightsville beach with overdevelopment and Raleigh/Durham is in danger of becoming overrun with politcially correct ninnies.

The Ugly American on November 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM

I live in CA, and even though I’ll probably lose my job in the HVAC filtration industry, I agree with ED! Let CA fall hard on it’s backside. Let Liberals in every nook and cranny have the light of day shined on them so we can be washed clean. It’s like bailing out a petulant child that gets everything he asks for but takes it all for granted. He’ll forget his toys when going out or throw them and break them in a fit of anger, only to turn around and ask his parents to buy him a new one. I’d respond to the CA government the way I do with my own children. Better luck next time. You can buy it with your own money then maybe you’ll appreciate what you have having earned it for yourself.

Sultry Beauty on November 13, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Ahem. $9B for stem cell research. Remember the interest on the bonds.

unclesmrgol on November 13, 2008 at 5:25 PM

California is hosed, thanks to liberalism. The other commenters covered it. Tax-spend-bonds-tax-spend-bonds on anything but essentials like fire, police protection, roads, and jails. Solar cells, bah! The medical system could be helped a lot by deporting illegal aliens, but nooooo! Can’t do that!

Here in the northern red counties (a beautiful part of the state), we are disenfranchised by blue county nit-wits and RINOs like Arnold.

The state sucks out all the money and our justice system is a revolving door of pedophiles and parolee freaks. Illegal aliens are transported to the mountains every year to farm pot. They make a horrible mess and are a danger to society. Drugs are everywhere.

Services will be cut, but I never hear talk of cutting bloated state agencies or eliminating them. At the same time, progresssive California requires $20,000 retro-fits on all diesel equipment — tractors, semi-trucks, etc.

Idiot libs vote burdens on others without consequences to themselves — until now. California doesn’t deserve a bail-out. We did it to ourselves. The American taxpayer doesn’t owe us a dime.

Feedie on November 13, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Oh, and this current Californian says “Please don’t bail us out.”

All those who voted for all those bonds, all those taxes, need to live in the filth they’ve created for a while. I’m hunkering down and living a sparse, but warm, life.

Fat chance, though, of not having a bailout. Most of our federal representation is on the “winning side”, and I doubt that many of those on the “losing side” have the political balls to give California the medicine it needs.

By the way, I voted no on everything that would cost us any money at all. Sadly, that included the veterans home purchase issue as well, since it would be bootstrapped from the General Fund and we all know where any money put into California’s housing market is going….

unclesmrgol on November 13, 2008 at 5:32 PM

My second daughter just got back from working the season at Yellowstone. When people there–she was in the Wyoming part of the park–asked her where she was from and she said “California,” they invariably said “Sorry.”

It’s such a wonderful place that the dems have pert’near ruint’t.

My family’s lived here for 7 generations.

Bob's Kid on November 13, 2008 at 5:37 PM

I’m from Kalifornia. Let it burn. They’ve got money to hire “panels” of their cronies to “advise” the governor at over $150,000 a year each. They’ve got money to give to illegal aliens to pay for their college tuition. They’ve got money for all their pet programs.

Fuck the legislature! NO NEW TAXES!!

Revenue went up 30%+ after Arnie (aka RINO) took office, AND THEY SPENT EVERY DIME OF IT! Costs didn’t go up 30%. The population didn’t go up 30%. Matter of fact, 250,000 are now leaving the state each year. Wonder why?

Love the commercial indicating that Kalifornia is ‘business friendly’. NOT!

Like I said, let this freakin’ state BURN! Then the freeloaders while find out just how “free” everything is.

GarandFan on November 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

You should also attempt to understand that California’s population also gives way for its increase in social programs spending. If we were to simply let California fix it’s own mess, no doubt there would be a greater need for more spening on social programs as the future rolled in, because they aren’t being taken care of now. On the other hand we could not spend money on social welfare prgrams and let people starve, get sick, and die… that would also solve some problems.

Quite simply the Federal government take’s more than half of what most Californians pay in taxes and the State gets less than half. It’s time the federal gov’t stop taking the money of Californian’s and giving to the rich of New York, beause that is what is happening here.

PresidenToor on November 13, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Sapwolf on November 13, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Where did you end up In Alabama? I’m being nosy and asking because I too was in CA for about 25 years- all the families are still in CA, and after a few other interesting stops along the way, (detroit, Connecticut, Chicago) we ended up in my “worst case scenario” of Alabama, and I really, really liked it! Great weather, nice people, affordable lifestyle- other than the insults from people when they hear you’re from “Alabama”, it’s a great, well kept secret! I miss it now that I’m in KC.

Oh- we were in Huntsville

anniekc on November 13, 2008 at 7:04 PM

wherestherum on November 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Sorry I didn’t get back til now… hope you get this.
ga is beautiful in the winter.. cold temps ( can get to a low around 10, average day temp around 20-25) But no snow in mid- state and south (except once every seven years or so) We have all four seasons.. summer is hot and humid, but tolerable.
I will go and have my rum and coke zero for the evening… take care

beththebaker on November 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Until we can get a conservative government here in Ca we are doomed,John Galt anyone? This was a great place to grow up in but now it’s just a cesspool,how sad,
Bob

Bobnormal on November 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM

Congratulations for mentioning the stem-cell boondoggle. The tanning bed media in California has carefully avoided even hinting that this fiasco is wasting six (after the bonds are paid back) billion dollars of taxpayer money

corona on November 13, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Pretty remarkable that this ultra-liberal state wants a bailout to save them from their ultra-liberal policies.

Hey California, pay off your own debt, like the rest of us have to pay off ours.

Richard Romano on November 13, 2008 at 3:51 PM

INDEED. Throw Michagin, chicago Ill, and Philly in there as well. They can all go down.

And only the gun owning conservatives living in those areas will survive.

(hmm that rant made me peckish…mmm nachos.)

Handel on November 14, 2008 at 3:18 AM

As an Arkansan, the concept of bailing out bankrupt state governments riles me considerably. We have a “balanced budget” provision in our state constitution and, when money runs low, we prioritize and do with what we have, even if that means cutbacks or layoffs. Why should we, who are responsible and never need a bailout, pay for the folly of the irresponsible states?

Oh, wait – bailing out foolish and greedy entities has just become the foundation of the national economy. I wounder if our state consitution’s “balanced budget” provision is now invalid as contrary to federal law?

Venusian Visitor on November 14, 2008 at 10:16 AM

“consitution’s” = constitution’s

I wish this forum had an “edit” option.

Venusian Visitor on November 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM

“consitution’s” = constitution’s

I wish this forum had an “edit” option.

Venusian Visitor on November 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Once upon a time, there was a little blog called “Captain’s Quarters”, run solo by a guy called Ed Morrissey. That blog was far better in terms of software than the current blog he works for, and the software actually let you edit comment typos up until the first reply to your comment by another commenter. It also let other commenters rate your comments, so you could figure out (by the votes) who the best conservative and liberal commenters were, as well as who the guys off in either right or left ding-bat land were.

Sadly, Camelot is gone.

unclesmrgol on November 17, 2008 at 12:59 AM

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