Ayers: Oh, by the way, Obama and I actually are “family friends”
posted at 9:05 pm on November 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Ace. The bad news? Obama was lying to us when he dismissed Ayers at the debate as merely “a guy who lives in my neighborhood.” The good news? We already knew that, thanks to Axelrod and Mayor Daley.
Anyway, belated confirmation.
“We had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign,” he writes.
But right-wing commentators tried to use those connections to smear Obama, he says.
“Obama’s political rivals and enemies apparently saw an opportunity to deepen a dishonest narrative about him, that he is somehow un-American, alien, linked to radical ideas, a closet terrorist, a sympathizer with extremism,” Ayers wrote.
This turd will be on Good Morning America tomorrow to hawk his book, if you can believe it. Will Diane Sawyer think to ask him how friendly the families were? Or, more importantly, what he learned from his epochal meeting of the minds recently with Reverend Wright? A rich trove of video treasure awaits us in the morning, my friends. Exit question: Has anyone queried The One on what sorts of crimes one would have to commit to lose their coveted “family friend” status? I realize questions of basic personal judgment are inappropriate on “dishonest narrative” grounds, but I’m curious nonetheless.
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I’m just wondering if R.F. Kennedy Jr. has any feelings about this?
thomasaur on November 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
What Constitution?
progressoverpeace on November 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Didn’t She[m]p Smith on Fox call this “preposterous” the other night?
The MSM Coup d’Etat marches on.
profitsbeard on November 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Ayers is officially downgraded to a cool human interest story, “Isn’t it neat that the president knows rebels like this? It’s practically Che!”
clnurnberg on November 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Ab-so-tively!!!!!!!!!sorry, he was almost our weenie-in-chief, and I was almost complicent in that. The down side? I pray for our nation. We will soon have a person in charge who could can claim a legitamate mandate (I shudder)and oh the agenda is very, very scary. (sigh, can’t depress myself further, you get it.)
OK guys, just promise me one thing: if they come and get me, my oldest kid gets the Reagan bobble-head, k??
Chewy the Lab on November 13, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Will Sawyer bother to ask Ayers about him raping his male and female leftist accolates 40 years ago? Or his current “lover” loving the Manson family sticking a fork in the pregnant woman they killed?
No and no. Wouldn’t fit through her collagened lips.
rlwo2008 on November 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM
After the 2012 election, should Obama win, maybe even before the election, there will be “talk” to repeal the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution.
hadsil on November 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM
You mean it would join the repealed 2nd amendment and the spirit of the 1st?
Texas or Alaska, Texas or Alaska…
*flips coin*
Bishop on November 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Oh but kind sir, I am not referring to the MoveOn, dKos, or those impressionable youth’s in my statement. They are unfortunately lost until they get a good paying job and then transfer over to the dark side (that would be us, by the way).
I’m referring to those who started out this election cycle actually undecided, and were swooned by the promises of “everything will be fixed” and pushed over the edge by the financial crisis, which by and large wasn’t reported accurately by the MSM to be the fault of Democratic policies dating back to Jimmy Carter. It’s not that they are stupid, they just didn’t know any better. The shell game is going to end soon and someone is going to be caught with a place to sit when the music ends.
Reap what you sew the bible say’s. We’ll see.
Hog Wild on November 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM
When do the t-shirts with Ayers stylized image on them appear?
All the hip kids would wear them, along with a keffiyah and combat boots.
Bishop on November 13, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Arrogant bastard, thinks he is asbestos now, but more than likely just signed his own death warrant. Some thrill seeking hillbilly is probably going to pop a cap in his traitorous rectum just to be the one that says “I did him” hmmmmmm word to Ayers momma.
GlocknRoll on November 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Promise?
anniekc on November 13, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Diane “soft lighting” Sawyer will introduce this douche as a”60’s anti-war activist” instead of the treasonous terrorist that he is!
thomasaur on November 13, 2008 at 10:25 PM
I guess it all depends on what the meaning of friend is>
diogenes on November 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Ayers does’t say a word,then in my own country,
in Ontario,Canada,the Toronto Star,prints Ayers
Terrorist Manefesto!
Now Ayers will be on the ever helpful Good Morning
America,where the ever helpful Charles Gibson ‘Bush
Whacked SarahCuda’,and you can bet Diane the liberal
will be saying how wonderful,and what a good neighbor
Barack Obama has been to Ayers!
Talk about the best Liberal screw-over the American
electorate of the Century!
Absolutely Outstanding,talk about a grand conspiracy,
oh wait thats Moonbatish talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on November 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM
they will be the sons and daughters of the republicans, rising up to protest this turd
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM
People knew. Just as the people in Western PA knew that they were being called racists, rednecks, and idiots by the very people they decided to vote for, anyway.
There was a sickness in this nation, as comes to all nations at some point – which the Founders were well aware of:
We haven’t had universal voting for all too long …
progressoverpeace on November 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM
The return of ‘radical chic’ with a serious vengeance.
progressoverpeace on November 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I haven’t watched MSM in years, so I can’t boycott GMA. Anyone know who their advertisers are?
BitterClinger on November 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM
The “Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers” t-shirts need to go into production stat.
thomasaur on November 13, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Is lying to the American people about a terrorist connection in order to dupe them into voting for you an impeachable offense?
HawaiiLwyr?
(I think this is a little more serious a lie than Bill Clinton’s.)
profitsbeard on November 13, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Walt Disney is rolling over in his grave at the moment. WTH is ABC/Disney doing promoting any works by this a$$ clown?
Prediction, Sawyer will be all smiles, welcoming and gracious. Like entertaining an old friend. How else do you treat an old family friend of the president?
FireBlogger on November 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM
welcome to the dreaded parallel universe!
katy on November 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM
No, but their owned by the original mouse with the big ears.
thomasaur on November 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Let the media and the Obama administration fawn over each other and make fools out of themselves. Obama will shoot himself in the foot on a regular basis. It will be fascinating to watch the spin and the fallout. But in the meantime…………….
We have four years to quietly and diligently put together the most forceful and the largest coalition of voting blocks to take this thing back as soon as possible. We need to stay involved and revolutionize this party.
Let the left-wing voters, congressmen, and senators pound their chests, and try and kick the dust up. In 2012, step aside libs the adults will be back to clean up your mess.
sherry on November 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM
I think Ayers would have been interesting to know. You never know how someone is personally. Historically, he makes for some pretty interesting conversation. I wonder if he’s happy. He doesn’t seem to feel guilty. Not that those things are mutually exclusive, but I can’t help but to wonder……about all of that.
nick108 on November 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Ayers is an embarrassment to academia.
Metro on November 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM
This is to funny to even get upset over, most of the people here already knew this, but I can see it now “I NEVER HAD FAMILY FRIENDSHIP WITH THAT MAN”….wait it gets better,
then it will be “define the term of “Family friend”
atwitsend on November 13, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Heh.
RushBaby on November 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM
There is no reason to believe Obama doesn’t know about this interview and now that the coast is clear Wright will probably show up at the Inaugural Ball and dance with Aunt Zeituni
clnurnberg on November 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Have you noticed the level of arrogance and ego that surrounds Obama and his cronies? Just as soon as the election was over, all the gloves came off, all the rats skittered out from their hiding places. Ayers has probably had this interview scheduled for weeks- win or lose. Ayers, Wright, Pflager- they’ve all cackled like hyenas this week. It probably hasn’t even occured to their massive ego’s that for them to be publicly speaking about Obama, might be a problem for Obama’s ah….credibility. Or what’s left of his credibility, anyway.
anniekc on November 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
1. He hates his country.
2. I don’t give a f*&^ if he is happy.
3. sociopaths don’t feel guilt.
4. I don’t care.
thomasaur on November 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Nick108’s comment is probably representative of how most people will feel after the GMA interview. They might even shed a tear for Ayer’s lost fiance who died while nobly building bombs
clnurnberg on November 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM
ABC-Billy Boy Ayers…yeah, no surprise. When are we going to stop the MSM march?
d1carter on November 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Greta is interviewing Billy
Graham Jr. I think he just endorsed Cuda? Gonna be an interesting 4 years.
Chewy the Lab on November 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM
I want to take him rock climbing.
thomasaur on November 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Ayers and the Weather Underground were busy rioting and blowing things up about forty years ago. He probably figures he’s free to do his revisionist history because there will be many who are about 50 or under won’t care or have a clue as to the reality of who he was and is.
Think he’s changed? Phyllis Schlafly had an article last week, Teaching “Social Justice” in Schools, in which she said:
INC on November 13, 2008 at 10:50 PM
To late…
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:
Catseye on November 13, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I’m only interested in the proceeds to Ayers book. Who gets the cash? The anti-capitalist Ayers or some sympathetic cause?
I doubt he’ll be asked.
swami on November 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
I’m 51 and remember reading about this guys handy work while I folded newspapers as a boy.
thomasaur on November 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
FIFY.
VanPalin on November 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Ayers is NOT an old washed up and terrorist by any means. His hate for this country is still and has always been a part of his being. It’s his core ideology. Like Obama’s.
Ayers is a very powerful force behind the leftist attitude of our youth. Part of the conservative momentum movement is going to have to be teaching the constitution and American values to our kids at home. They are NOT going to get it outside the home. That’s where the boomers have screwed up royal!!
katy on November 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
thomasaur, I’m glad you remember. You’re right about the age cutoff I was talking about. I only wish more knew and cared to figure out the past. I was in high school/college at the time.
INC on November 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
I know. Did you see the article I linked to above?
I apologize for many of my fellow boomers.
INC on November 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Whether AYers is washed up or not is irrelevant now. His protege will be the C in C of the US Armed Forces very soon.
Thanks MSM
clnurnberg on November 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
The only thing I can’t believe is that anyone would be surprised. The only reason to pay attention to the media is to observe their obscene behavior and perverted values.
As much as we’d like to think that their influence has dwindled, or that the general public is wise to them, sadly that is not the case.
Dorvillian on November 13, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Ya, I was actually taking what you said and ran farther with it. Not disagreeing. The thing is Horowitz has been on this education thing for years, He’s been sounding the trumpet and we ignored him. To our own peril.
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:09 PM
This makes me want to PUKE.
Alana on November 13, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Horowitz knows these guys. Perhaps you know this, but he is a genuine Red Diaper Baby. His parents were Communists and he was a founder of the New Left. His final disillusionment came when a colleague was killed by the Black Panthers.
INC on November 13, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Do you actually think the MSM will even pick this up? Down here in Miami they just posted a story asking the zombies to e-mail their suggestions for the Obuma pet dog. Great job Herald. Move along, nothing to see here.
LatinRed on November 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Catseye on November 13, 2008 at 10:53 PM
That link doesn’t work.
Ryan Gandy on November 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM
It’s almost as if this whole thing has been planned.
baldilocks on November 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:30:./temp/~c110b6adIC::
Never mind. Found one.
Ryan Gandy on November 13, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Yup. I have been reading him for years. If anyone knows the commies tactics it’s Horowitz.
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM
For decades!! Right down to the letter. His arrival was all a question of timing.
katy on November 13, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Here’s an old interview with Horowitz from 1997 which gives a few more biographical details.
Since you’re familiar with him you probably know about Front Page Magazine on the web. If you haven’t looked at it, his site Discover the Networks: A Guide to the Political Left, is invaluable. Here’s the page on Ayers.
INC on November 13, 2008 at 11:33 PM
I missed your comment while I was doing the links for mine. Good to know someone else is familiar with Horowitz.
INC on November 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Are you to have me believe that the Anointed One had to resort to trickery, dishonesty and disceitfulness in order to get elected? A mandate from Deity would never even consider such an underhanded tactic….?
DL13 on November 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Che chic!
The fools are still us.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Unless we do not have elections in 2012 and Obama follows the Hugo Chavez method of election for life (or possibly the Putin method.) With substantial majorities in both houses it might be necessary to have everything in place before the 2010 election. Perhaps this is what Biden was referring to as Obama’s response (martial law, shut down opposition media, suspend elections due to ‘national emergencey/crisis’) to the external test right after the election.
jerseyman on November 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Even the creators of South Park think so! Have you seen last week’s episode?
I mean McCain should have won this but he blew it in so many ways.
jencab on November 13, 2008 at 11:40 PM
The timing might be just what the republic needed to wake up. With PC addressed, she might now focus in her survival, but not before she gets really, really scared first.
Americans always do the right thing, after they try all the others, or something like this…
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM
jerseyman on November 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
“Aren’t you a bit paranoid? Our constitution is stronger than that” – Ronald Reagan
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Come to Texas honey. We can secede here.
GinaE on November 13, 2008 at 11:47 PM
LatinRed: I think they should get a Bichon Frise and name her Snowball
clnurnberg on November 13, 2008 at 11:48 PM
It all has a surreal quality to it. This whole election thing kind of reminded me of the move “Eraserhead”, only a bit more bleak and sinister.
mr.blacksheep on November 13, 2008 at 11:49 PM
move=movie
mr.blacksheep on November 13, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Isn’t it interesting that Camille Paglia (who would know, being a Leftist herself) thought that the real radical of the family wasn’t Ayers, but his wife Bernadine Dohrn?
And this is just typical of the Lying Leftist MSM to finally “discover” Ayers after the election.
How I hate them.
Jenfidel on November 13, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Heh, they can name the dog Taxus.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Until you got to the next-to-last word, I thought you were talking about BHO.
jgapinoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:56 PM
You can make book on this. Before 2009 is over there will be so much that will come out about Obama that we don,t know. People in this country will destory what left of the MSN. Ayers & Wright will be the least of Obamas problems.
thmcbb on November 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM
So BHO really was palling around w/ a terrorist,
he really did know all about his best friend Wright’s racism,
& he really did know about Rezko’s crooked side.
jgapinoy on November 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Don’t hate them. That diminishes you, and makes you bitter.
Ridicule them. Pitty them. Mock them. Exploit them. Beat them.
Don’t hate them.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Perhaps (I certainly hope I’m wrong). Lining up the courts, and substantial majorities in Congress, we have seen that there are plenty of judges and politicians ready to tear up the constitution (McCain-Fengold, gun control, Roe v. Wade, audit/investigate only the losing campaign, overriding state referendums). Free speech, states rights, election fraud, what will stop someone who is motivated and willing to take control? With friends/supporters like Ayers, Rev Wright, and George Soros, why chance another election?
jerseyman on November 13, 2008 at 11:59 PM
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I’ve been posting her for over 2 1/2 years and I’ve never been so upset and worried about what is happening in our country. BUT THERE IS A RAY OF HOPE. A SUPREME COURT CASE (NOT BERG’S) WITH LEGS THAT MAY BE THE END OF OBAMA’S HOPE N CHANGE. UNLIKE THE OTHER CASES THAT WERE DISMISSED FOR NOT HAVING STANDING. NJ HAS BROADER RULES REGARDING STANDING so this case went through the lower courts without being dismissed for lack of standing. So now it will be heard on its merits (Constitutional eligibility of the candidates).
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Do you realize that there is subtrefuge as high up as the Supreme Court going on with regard to a legitimate case being brought by Leo Donofrio against the NJ Sec. of State (Donofrio v. Wells, US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407) for putting Obama and McCain (as well as a 3rd person from Nicaragua on the ballot for president in NJ & a few other states where the Sec of State did not bother to check the citizenship of the candidates as required) If you think it’s not true that our Constitution is being thrown out, read how Dan Bickell, the “Stay Clerk” for Justice Souter has taken it upon himself to ILLEGALLY dispose of a case BEFORE Justice Souter ever laid eyes on it. The case is now on the docket and will be reviewed by Justice Thomas. I’m telling you this reads like a spy novel. Please check it out and you will be left wondering why this case is not on the front page of every paper in the country. (Remember the NYSlimes did 42 front page stories on Abu Ghraib)but nothing about a Supreme Court Case that could invalidate the election and PUT OBAMA OUT OF CONTENTION FOR THE OVAL OFFICE FOREVER.
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When you’re finished checking it out, here’s some phone numbers for the above Supreme Court Clerk, Dan Bickell’s office, as well as for the Supreme Court Clerk’s (general) office.
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US Supreme Court Clerk’s office: 202-479-3011
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Stay Clerk, Mr. Danny Bickell: 202-479-3024
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Public Information Office: 202-479-3211, Reporters press 1
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PLEASE READ IT AND GET THE WORD OUT. Thanks!
NightmareOnKStreet on November 14, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Sometimes we have to let it get really, really dark, before we can see the light. Imagine the darkest night, a moonless one. The stars are then the brightest.
Let’s not leave anything to chance any more. We failed direly. Our republic, and the next generations can’t afford our ignorance and our bitterness. Cheer up, and fight. Fight like hell to stop this. If you stay depressed, you won’t be able to.
Schadenfreude on November 14, 2008 at 12:04 AM
I don’t think it diminishes me and yes, I’m already bitter after having endured 8 years of them bashing my President and now being the prime force in electing the scariest, most Liberal, Marxist man to the Presidency ever.
I’ve done all of the above, but I’m sorry, an anonymous person on the web can’t exhort me not to hate a thing.
Jenfidel on November 14, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Surely you don’t mean “fight” the way John McCain did?
You mean as in “really fight,” right?
I will fight–Obama’s a one-termer as far as I’m concerned.
And I’m not depressed so much as I am genuinely frightened for myself and my family in particular, the safety and security of our nation and for our troops in harm’s way.
Jenfidel on November 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM
naawwww …. I’m not looking for one (I have a million better things to do), but it appears there is a better than fair chance of a fight coming down the street and folks might like some company … ya’ in?
a good url to get read a survey about CLoward-Piven Strategy -> http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967
then just hit Google …
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Cloward+Piven&btnG=Search
AZ_Redneck on November 14, 2008 at 12:16 AM
If anyone’s close to DC Monday night (17th) go to 14th and V St. and let this asshole know how you feel about him. He is having a book-signing at a leftist restaurant known as Busboys & Poets. I can’t believe this POS is going to be a media darling now.
DCJeff on November 14, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Sometimes we have to let it get really, really dark, before we can see the light. Imagine the darkest night, a moonless one. The stars are then the brightest.
Let’s not leave anything to chance any more. We failed direly. Our republic, and the next generations can’t afford our ignorance and our bitterness. Cheer up, and fight. Fight like hell to stop this. If you stay depressed, you won’t be able to.
Schadenfreude on November 14, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Well said! We are in for the battle of our lives…communism never failed…it just moved to America.
DCJeff on November 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Family friends, huh?
Obama: “I’ll bring some potato salad for the cookout on Saturday.”
Ayers: “Sounds good, I’ll bring the Communist Manifesto.”
Dohrn: “Oh, and you’ve got to try my pipe-bomb pie.”
Everyone: “Hahahaha!”
CP on November 14, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Any one know of an abortion bomber we can make martyrdom T shirts for?
mylegsareswollen on November 14, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Can a president elect be impeached?
csdeven on November 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Bill Ayers as Secretary of Education…
Probably the strongest reason there is to homeschool your child.
(I’m already looking at curricula, even though my little daughter is 23 months old…)
newton on November 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that people are making the same “predictions” about an Obama administration as people made about Bush? And who were called nutroots?
Ortzinator on November 14, 2008 at 1:01 AM
Does anyone out there currently work for DOD.
once upon a time, when I was fresh out of college, I applied for an entry level job with DOD. You started out as a GS-5 which was essentially a glorified clerical position. Our security clearnaces were either “none” or “confidential” (I think that was it.. whatever the lowest one was)
The FBI came out to my neighborhood and interviewed about 30 to 40 neighbors. Those that didn’t answer the door got questionaiires. Consider that my dad had a secret clearance at the time. If I had any connection at all with someone like ayers I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HOLD A FREAKING CLERICAL JOB. Throughout my time there, there would be periodic rechecks.
So, HOW IN THE HELL does obama get the keys to our conventional and nuclear weapons without going through a security check?… Sumptin ain’t right here boss..
bullseye on November 14, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Here are some questions for Diane that I know she will never ask (the only people who get gotcha questions are those like Sarah Palin)
1. What part did you have in the planned nail bombing of the fort dix soliers?
2. FBI Informant Larry Grathwohl stated that the weathermen were willing to kill 25 million americans. What did you know about that.
3. Follow up to 2.. You were a founder and leader of the organization. Grathwohl said 25 leaders were discussing the murder of 25 million people. Surely you have some knowledge of this.
4. There is an amazing similarity between the 1970’s weatherment logo and the Obama logo. Did you have any part in the Obama logo design?
5. Did you ghostwrite any part of Obama’s Dreams from my father?
6. Follow up to 5. You say ‘no’. Can you explain the several nautical references in dreams from Obama, a man with no nautical experience. Didn’t you work as a merchant seaman at one time?
7. You encouraged kids to go home and kill their parents. Have you ever said that to your own kids or the Obama kids?
No, there won’t be any questions like that… Just a bunch of slobbering leftist drivel.
bullseye on November 14, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Any comment that my fingers will type right now (other than this) will just get me banned.
Good night.
Jaibones on November 14, 2008 at 1:29 AM
bullseye-
Dead center; perfect pattern.
Diane Sawyer will probably ask Ayers:
“If you were a tree, would it be a deciduous or evergreen?”
profitsbeard on November 14, 2008 at 1:35 AM
you show me the democrat version of Arlen Specter or John McCain who is willing to thwart donks “extremism”….
I watch CSpan 1 and 2 and have not found them yet not even “Haeth Shuler” or “Jim Webb” Reagan in reverse “blue dogs”….
sven10077 on November 14, 2008 at 1:38 AM
“csdeven on November 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM”
well, there is surely no precedent, so i’ll lean towards “no” …
/as madisonconservative has been saying, it may be the wisest course of action to see if he actually DOES ANYTHING before we start down such a road …
Buckaroo on November 14, 2008 at 1:39 AM
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