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posted at 10:40 pm on November 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“Uncle Ted hereby declares it is open season on RINOs. No bag limits or permits required. Conservative ideas, arguments and votes are the weapons we will use. Hunt them down and shine a blazing light on these RINO turncoat cockroaches…
We must not make the mistake of keeping the GOP tent so big that there’s room for RINOs.”
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Well, maybe we should run Lincoln Chafee 2012. If the theory wasn’t tested all the way, then why not give it a real go. After all, anything for the Party.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 12:04 AM
The butcher in the village claims he saw the man last week
Galloping his camel cross the moor
He was seen wearing full Blakeney green
Was he a hero or a skunk, a fiddling Nero or a drunk
Who was ManlyRash, do tell?
Might it be this gypsy of yours stands before you now?
It could be him!
It could be you!
Odd’s fish, it could be me!
That scallawag could be most any sod
PercyB on November 12, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Meow :) pretty cool poem
sheebe on November 13, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Term limits would be so nice….
Sign of the Dollar on November 13, 2008 at 12:08 AM
The so-called RINOs didn’t lose the election for the GOP. Republicans let the Dems beat us at our own game and we screwed up the GOTV initiatives. We failed to adequately convince Americans that the GOP is still the party of liberty, fiscal conservatism, and small government and we completely bombed at reminding people why those ideals are so important. We allowed the Dems continue to paint us as the party of intolerance and bigotry, and we failed to articulate why liberal policies are so harmful to minorities and the poor.
Rob Taylor, bamapachyderm, jgapinoy, and seanhackbarth get it. We don’t need to shrink the tent – we need a bigger tent. We need a larger base of proud Republicans who can be counted on to show up at the polls and vote for the GOP ticket no matter what.
That’s not to say that conservative principles should be abandoned; quite the contrary, I believe that fiscal conservatism has great mass appeal if it is articulated well. That means recruiting plenty of Tito the Builders and Joe the Plumbers to run at all levels of government.
But we don’t just need to sell specific candidates, we need to sell Republicanism as a philosophy, a strategy, and a way of life. And we need to sell it every day of the year, every year of the political cycle. We can promote individual candidates during their campaigns, but our promotion of Republicanism needs to be constant and far reaching.
Jenn Q. Public on November 13, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Mmm. Hmmm.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Lincoln Chafee? I guess I better read up on him. I am new Rep. so I am slow. The DemocRATS I do know. Wish I didn’t know most of them. Would like to know more about Chafee. I like the name.
sheebe on November 13, 2008 at 12:11 AM
RINO’s are welcome to be in the Republican Party. But NO MORE DRIVING!
We’re getting a little tired of being steered into the ditch…
theregoestheneighborhood on November 13, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Exactly. And a “purge” of people who don’t agree with us doesn’t help. Like I said before, I’m not interested in gay marriage, I support civil unions (just as Bush did) and I think, as a Republican, it is every person’s right to designate their heirs etc. Other wise I’m probably far to the right of the rest of you. I wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11, I think we should not only cut funding to the Palestinians but we should bomb them. I think the only aid that we should send to Israel is tanks, bombs and guns but if they want a big welfare state they can pay for it on their own dime.
If I ran for office on an old fashioned cold war Republican platform of taking the fight to our enemies hard, cutting taxes to encourage growth etc, I get called a RINO who agreed with me but were upset I wasn’t interested in ensuring gays don’t get married. But I’m far from a RINO.
We’ll never get a better crop of candidates until we have a positive message and start remembering the 11th commandment. If anyone should be purged it’s those people (including McCain, I agree with that)
Let’s give the big tent a try again and keep our agenda a basic pro-America one. I agree that RINOS shouldn’t set our agenda, but neither should James Dobson, Lou Dobbs or the Hot Air comment commissariat
Rob Taylor on November 13, 2008 at 12:13 AM
If they do this, then we need to melt the incoming phone lines at our local
communister I mean democrat congresscritters office. We could have 2 million people protest in washington and reed, pelosi and Der Obama would look out their windows and laugh. I’m convinced the only way to do this is to put extreme pressure on the local dem congress___ers. They will need to get out there and campaign for the 2010 elections.We need to be out in force when they attend functions like your chamber of commerce breakfasts. Nail them with hard questions… Boo their asses.. Screw “professionalism”..
Let’s say my kid was going to get an award handed to him by our local comrade congressman. I would suggest that he take it, rip it up, and hand it back to the butthead (that would be his choice, but it would be interesting).. Wouldn’t that make a great photo op??
Again, folks, I’m just a dumb geek, but I really think that the only possible way to reverse this is to try to take the house back in 2010. The senate is a bit harder…
It wouldn’t take too many
peoplelpatriots in each congressional district to bring this type of pressure.bullseye on November 13, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Here’s the way it goes,
Conservative (ideally)
VV Better than VV
Republican
VV Better than VV
RINO
VV Better than VV
Blue Dog (with possible exemptions with Chafee level RINOism)
VV Better than VV
Democrat
VV Better than VV
Leftists (the worst)
We should do what we can to push the scale as far away from Leftist as possible.
doubleplusundead on November 13, 2008 at 12:19 AM
bullseye on November 13, 2008 at 12:13 AM
I live in Ca. I will start calling those bitches tomorrow. This is their way of flipping us the bird. Then they can ignore the financial crisis. While we sweat bullets. They are fukking toying with us now. Do you realize how much that is going to cost them? What a bunch of A**holes. Bush kept us safe. And now there is this Unknown Marxist, that won’t completely say what he means. I been scared out of my wits. And I am not appreciating this at all. Those scum bags need a dose of reality. I am ready to call.
sheebe on November 13, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Both you and bamapachyderm have expressed exactly what I was trying to get at. If we are looking for a majority we can’t throw out those not conservative enough, we’ll only be contributing to a larger Democrat majority. It’s the 11th commandment violators that we do not need.
msmveritas on November 13, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Your dad’s not here, sweetie.
Jim Treacher on November 13, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Then perhaps we need to be driving down a wider lane.
Getting like-minded people into the tent is not possible by driving down narrow lanes.
Reagan believed that getting others under the tent was our first objective. Next was demonstrating to them that the conservative principles of the Republican Party were more effective in providing solutions to the problems of Americans.
And Reagan would have never ever called another Republican a RINO.
What are the Reagan Democrats? RINOS?
Reagan would never have condoned that.
Texas Gal on November 13, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Agree with you on pretty much all of that.
In any case, I’m not so much in favor of pushing out a big number of people, but you do get to a point where there are certain individuals who’ve just got to go.
doubleplusundead on November 13, 2008 at 12:27 AM
I’ve never been a fan, but you have to give him points for good trigger discipline.
Jim Treacher on November 13, 2008 at 12:29 AM
But you get to a point where someone crosses the Rubicon and goes from being an actual Republican into truly being a RINO. Linc Chafee being the obvious example.
doubleplusundead on November 13, 2008 at 12:30 AM
doubleplusundead on November 13, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Look, this is it for me. I’ve had it.
I fought against McCain during the primaries.
I lost. I sucked it up.
After the primaries, I buried the hatchet.
I went along with the program, because of everything you just said in that last post.
I made phone calls, offered to drive people to the polls, wrote in favor of McCain, put bumper stickers on my truck, and I SENT MONEY.
But, what do I get in return? I have to listen to this crap about how we need to “moderate” the party.
Balderdash!
I vowed that this would be the absolute LAST time I would go to bat for a weak Republican.
And I meant it.
The. Last. Time.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Glad I’m not the only one geeky enough to notice that…
doubleplusundead on November 13, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Thank you.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Agree with Nugent most of the way.
There are RINOs and there are RINOs. The ones who ought to go are liars by definition. McCain was not dishonest about it, but you see where it got him. There will be no purges except for the one that happened on Election Day, when the voters purged RINO McCain as they puked over 8 years of RINO Bush.
Why do some still wish for a big tent that includes losers, liars, and the treacherous? Isn’t it time for the big tent people to stop viewing compromise with evil as a good thing and realize that conservatism is not a narrow-minded concept? There is nothing wrong with compromise with reasonable people, but the RINOs haven’t been compromising with reasonable people. They’ve been adding fuel to the kindling of destruction.
Why not step back from your pet issues and view conservatism as a demand for honesty: if we elect you, we insist you behave the way you promised in the campaign. We expect you to uphold the Constitution. We expect you to fight against the evil of leftism.
I agree with a lot of what you said. That said, it’s time people realize that Mr. Bush brought much of this on himself. The moonbats are crazed totalitarians at heart and will do what they can get away with, but Bush II did things that were flagrantly anti-American and anti-Constitution. The Democrats beat up on him unfairly and used bogus synthesized issues.
There are real issues, though; issues that deserve to be addressed. Democrats with not address them because they agree with Bush and believe the ends justify the means.
How can a man who puts his hand on a Bible and swears to uphold the U.S. Constitution then attempt to turn Texas sovereignty over to a foreign commission? This one issue is basic to the kind of derangement Bush II demonstrated in the Oval Office.
The Republican Party cannot be rebuilt unless people are willing to face up to the failures of the Bush administration and, by extension, the dino-RINOs who control the Republican Party.
Feedie on November 13, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Everything Democrats have in their platform (especially the baby-killing and sodomy planks), but with tax cuts for corporations and the middle class.
TMK on November 13, 2008 at 12:34 AM
DINOs. Democrats who abandon liberal candidates and vote for a conservative are called DINOs. Zell Miller was a DINO in 2004.
TMK on November 13, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Sorry for the spelling eye-stick.
Feedie on November 13, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Ted has the right idea
Kill it and Grill it
Applies to RINOs and all other Fedzillas
Ted has the right approach. No groveling, no bowing or scraping. No submission to the idiots
We need his optimism instead of the lily livered wailers in the right wing press cocktail lounge. We need Joe the Plumber and Palin, not Noonan and Brooks
The RINOs told Rush to get over it. I am taking their advice. I am over it, the big fat ugly lazy money sucking wimpering turncoat RINO in the closet. To be polite, screw them.
I am back on track and happy as can be. Ted is still fighting and if he can, I can
Great article
entagor on November 13, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Totally, support who you like, and if you live in a conservative area, work to consolidate the seat(s) and work to support other conservatives that are trying to break through in other areas. Nothing wrong with that.
The Howard Dean model, where the Dems try and compete everywhere in the US has been wildly successful for the Dems. The tradeoff is that they know they have to mellow on certain issues nationally or face a 1994-style backlash for overreaching. The advantage that we have over them is that philosophically, we aren’t centralizing collectivists, so we can theoretically have more flexibility to adapt to local ways with less conflict, as long as we do what Bush and the current crop of Congressional idjits failed to do and shrink the federal government.
doubleplusundead on November 13, 2008 at 12:44 AM
One of my favorite Reagan quotes was his:
And I disagree (to a certain extent) with your definition. I think that if there is such a thing as moderate republican, it is because they’ve embodied the Government’s view of the economy.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Maybe none of you know what a RINO is.
McCain is a RINO. That’s why he lost.
Pro-life is the ultimate litmus test for conservatives. McCain is pro-life. But that alone does not make him (or anyone else) conservative.
McCain had baggage (campaign finance; amnesty; gang of 14; etc) and Axelrod know it. That’s the main reason why he was able to successfully run his guy all the way without having to answer hard questions about the past – he knew McCain didn’t dare start hitting Obambi too hard lest he get it back in spades.
McCain spent all those years in the Senate defining himself into being a presidential loser. I hoped it would be different but that’s as far as I went.
As far as what this party should look like, we need to speak clearly to those who are social misfits – get out and go home. You want to kill babies? There’s a place for you but it ain’t here. You want to be a sex pervert? There’s a place for you but it ain’t here. You want to lower society to your level of selfishness? There’s a place for you but it ain’t here. You don’t believe in a supernatural Creator? There’s a place for you but it ain’t here.
If the Republican Party wants to be valuable, it must purge the evil and the egotists from its ranks. Forget Reagan – use John Wayne and Ted Neugent as the real ideals and see what happens.
platypus on November 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Well said. I want to see strict conservative views, Federalist convictions, total transparency, and an ability to communicate. Let’s pull those Blue Dogs our way, no solicitous crossing to THEIR side. Cooperation in a liberal’s eyes, as with foreign dictators, is viewed as weakness. Never again.
rtsidedragon on November 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Agreed. But a quiet pushing out of some people is different than the “purge” a bunch of people are advocating.
May I point out the “anti-sodomy” example above. Frankly since sodomy literally includes all the good stuff in Heterosexual sex I’m all for it. But TMK is saying he’s anti-Gay but as a righty I think it’s social engineering to make policies concerning who adults nail. It was and remains a literal communist policy to oppress gays. Call me an old fashioned Red Hater but if the Commies are for it I’m against it.
But I’m not looking to purge comrade TMK from the party just because he wants to parrot Stalin on the state’s responsibility to legislate morality. I think we can make room for him. Just as we make room for Log Cabin republicans. We have to ensure that the rank and file grows while the “elites” shrink and our platform returns to Reagan’s ideal.
Texasgal, That’s exactly my point.
Rob Taylor on November 13, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I love to form coalitions with people who agree with me on the most part. Then I can take the time that we are relaxing (from beating away the monsters trying to destroy us) to convince them on the issues we disagree on.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why people want to expell those that don’t agree with them 100% out of their movement– it’s utterly idiotic. Literally. Or subversive.
Security Mom on November 13, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Who is
John GaltManlyRash?RushBaby on November 13, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Beautifully done.
I see your point he was truly a RINO. I am so ticked at the sniper fire at Republicans who are Republicans that has my primary focus right now. This LA Times blog job annoys me to no end. I am hoping some of those quoted attack this type of mind reading reporting. If they truly had to stumble or left a pregnant pause when asked about Palin’s readiness to serve, they have some splainin’ to do.
msmveritas on November 13, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Sir Percy, I see you’re a poet, and I didn’t know it, what? My dear chap, I never would have dreamt of depriving you of your moment of triumph.
I’ve not read Baroness Orczy, more’s the pity, but I cut my baby teeth on Georgette Heyer.
Terrie on November 13, 2008 at 12:57 AM
It isn’t the size of the tent AP, it’s how you use it.
TheCulturalist on November 13, 2008 at 1:02 AM
You are part of the problem.
There is no rational reason that the Republicans should “make room” for the sodomites any more than we should make room for pedophiles.
Sodomites are elites. Because you don’t know that (or want to pretend you don’t know), you trap yourself into giving them respectability from being allowed to associate themselves with us under the umbrella of conservatism.
I say bullcrap with this watering down of the core principles. Morality defined by the Creator – not relativity defined by the shifting sands of popularity and expedience.
platypus on November 13, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Yes, you may.
I agree with you here.
I am against changing the legal definition of marriage, and will be until the day I die.
However, I am adamantly pro gay, in that I would be the first to defend their rights as Americans to engage in consensual sexual behavior. It’s none of my damn business. And I will defend that right until the day I die.
Plenty of room in the big tent for homosexuals. I know a few that are great conservatives.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 1:02 AM
I say he is a lunatic!
No doubt he has a beard!
And a nervous tic!
Rashes on his toes
Bravado lips
A Roman nose
And several whips
A lovely lad
A cursed cad
Oh, he’s a saint
He ain’t!
A bloody swell?
Ah well, it was hard to tell
PercyB on November 13, 2008 at 1:04 AM
I’m right where you are, Sam. I have certain disagreements with some in the gay community, but I would not reject the support or vote of a Log Cabin Republican. There is no reason why a gay American shouldn’t be just as concerned about an Obama presidency as I am, and we are stronger if we stand together.
capitalist piglet on November 13, 2008 at 1:07 AM
After further consideration…
I think the main problem is that the Republican party no longer has either one, or just a few, major beliefs that it runs on.
Its got so bogged down in side issues, that it has lost focus on the parts that do bring us together.
If the Repubs would slim down the platform to what could be agreed on… smaller Fed Government, less taxes, strong defense… and then Use Federalism as the philosophy to leave Social Issues up to the States… then I think the party could gain power very quickly.
Problem is that there are just too many battlefields out there… and the Party needs to choose its battles more wisely.
Romeo13 on November 13, 2008 at 1:07 AM
Nugent pisses off a prominent RINO
CanadianGuy on November 13, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Indeed. Alas, a moment was all that could be spared. Let that be a lesson to me, Madame. I must never take anything for granted.
PercyB on November 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM
No room at the inn for devotees of perverted sex. They already have a home and that’s where they need to go. The ones that choose to identify themselves as committed to queer sex are a total of no more than 4% of the population.
We don’t need them and their constant insistence that they are normal (or equivalent to normal) which is a lie. If Republicans ever want to be taken seriously as a moral beacon, they must leave our tent.
If 4% can make or break us, then we will never get any better than we are right now.
platypus on November 13, 2008 at 1:13 AM
Oh, I get it Platypus. You’re one of those Westboro Hate cult people that protest in front of soldier’s funerals and such.
Oh wait. Those people are Democrats so I guess you’re actually trying to pull the party left, as in line with Cuba, the Soviet Union, and all the other Communist nations who spend time caring about what 5-10% of men do and what we hope most co-eds are doing right now.
There’s no religious requirement to be a Republican, or an American, and gays have the right to live their lives as they see fit and some guy promoting a Christianized communism at 1:00 in the morning (when all good Christians are in bed I’d assume) shouldn’t be the voice of the party that defeated the evil empire.
Go back to Cuba comrade. Here in America we like freedom for all Americans not just the Buchanan loving trolls who are up all night sweatily working out some personal trauma by typing our “Sodomite!” on website.
Come to think of it, the Commies like Jerimiah Wright agree with you, why aren’t you at one of his services clapping your hand and feeling “the spirit” which is a metaphor for the giddy sensation you get picturing yourself in a commissar uniform telling gays to repent or be sent to gitmo, I’m sure.
Because a Republican you ain’t brother. Republicans want government to not interfere with people’s liberty.
Rob Taylor on November 13, 2008 at 1:15 AM
That’s the big tent I’m talking about! We can agree to disagree and both unite under the GOP banner.
Rob Taylor on November 13, 2008 at 1:17 AM
We’ll all be saved when Newt Gingrich graces us with his presence in the GOP field in 2012… nah.
V15J on November 13, 2008 at 1:19 AM
Romeo13 on November 13, 2008 at 1:07 AM
It sounds good when we roll it up into a nice neat little package to call issues social, and then just leave it up to the States.
Abortion is never going to be buried as a non issue. Calling it a “social” issue best left to the States, ignores that the Supreme Court brought it into Federal jurisdiction.
So, in the National fold it is.
And to those, like me, that view the taking of one’s life against their will as a complete defilement of the principles that this nation was predicated upon, it is extremely difficult to accept the notion that the taking of someone’s life by another as a personal right. Even if we could agree that this issue should be left to the States, it would only be a matter of time before a case would be right back up at the SCOTUS once again.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Rob Taylor on November 13, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Yeah.
But, I’m done with RINOs. If they appear on any tickets that I can vote on.
I will not vote.
I’m finished. I’m done. Never again. Uh uh, not gonna do it.
It does not work. It is a recipe for failure.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 1:31 AM
…………. “Welcome to the Party Pal.”
Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2008 at 1:37 AM
You have revealed your true self. Thank you.
I’ll ignore your ad hominem attacks merely because they have no substance and are no more important than a shadow.
But you say there is “no religious requirement” in the Republican Party. That’s good because I wouldn’t want one and didn’t ask for one.
What I did say, and will repeat, is that there is a morality from the supernatural Creator and those who defy the Creator’s morality should be thrown out of the party.
Now of course all Republicans should believe in a Creator because that’s what the Founding Fathers said was the source of all bounty that we have or ever will have.
Since the practitioners of queer sex think it’s more important to give a one-finger salute to the Creator rather than follow the Founding Fathers, I am unsure why I should be forced to deal with them as if they were like-minded allies of true conservatism.
Hope this helps.
platypus on November 13, 2008 at 1:38 AM
Then let’s push them aside (not a purge) and give people like Palin, Thompson, Steele etc the reins.
Rob Taylor on November 13, 2008 at 1:38 AM
I respect your religious beliefs. You may find that hard to understand, given what I just said, but I don’t waste people’s time saying things I don’t mean.
Platy, I don’t believe that they are “normal” either. But “normal” is not my idea of the standards for conservative ideals.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are my most cherished political underpinnings.
The Constitution and the primacy of the individual in its philosophy are built upon those underpinnings.
I don’t think highly of homosexuality, so I don’t engage in it.
But, if we were to remove all those from the party that were engaged in abominations of the holy word (liars, adulterers, hypocrites, etc..) would there be anyone left? I mean, after all, this is just politics, not the Pearly Gates.
Saltysam on November 13, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Uncle Ted’s gotta head back up to Michigan and right that sinking ship.
Nuge for Governor: Whenever The Hell Michigan Has it’s Next Gubanatorial Election!
In a state that continues to elect Dems that continue to take on water to an already sinking ship, The Rock and Roll Caveman is the only sane choice.
No, that’s not sarcasm, it’s no joke, I’m dead serious.
SuperCool on November 13, 2008 at 1:57 AM
From the link:
Whoa! Picky, picky. What a cheap shot to a great song. The guy’s definitely in Brooks-Noonster territory. Iowahawk does great work mocking these idiots and they live up to it. Who can ask for more? RINO!!!
Feedie on November 13, 2008 at 2:03 AM
I did not suggest that.
And I NEVER have based any argument on this thread (or any other thread here) about holy or bible. I have referred to the Messiah (the real one) when someone has brought up the subject and said something that I believe is incorrect about Him.
There is a difference between those other groups nd the perverts – the other groups don’t brag about their moral failings AND they do not demand to redefine words so that their immoralities are no longer immoral.
Again, my objections to these unneeded deviants being in the big tent are based on the Founding Fathers and their documents. Not on religion or Holy Bible.
platypus on November 13, 2008 at 2:04 AM
platypus on November 13, 2008 at 2:04 AM
I like Arnold’s 2004 convention speech, “if you believe in small government, you are a Republican.”
Lots of people can be republicans, Not all people should be leaders of the ideals. If you do not represent the most fundamental principles, including the primacy of the nulear family, then you simply have no option but to enjoy the fruits of prosperity and freedom that conservatism offers. It is very clear that the strength of the libertarian movement is a sign of how the Republican party is losing. Shrink government fast, choke off the beast and the best way to do that is to demand a balanced budget.
#1 Republican value of today, balanced budget.
anti-boomer on November 13, 2008 at 2:58 AM
Name one thing that seperates “moderate Republicans” from Dems besides personal and corporate tax policies.
Immigration? Nope, amnesty. Abortion? Nope, “choice.” Environmentalism? Nope, cap-and-trade. Socialized Healthcare? Nope, Romneycare. Islamic “weapon-based proselytizing” in the Middle-East? Nope, foreign aid and withdrawal. Labor Unions? Nope, Right-to-Work laws. Socialized industry and commerce? Nope, bank bailout, farm subsidies, energy subsidies, transportation subsidies, pork, pork, pork.
TMK on November 13, 2008 at 3:15 AM
Awesome.
I also agree that the Bush witch hunt is a disgusting travesty…………….WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING OUR MONEY TO BAIL OUT BUSINESS AFTER BUSINESS AND NOW ARE USING MORE TO KILL OUR SITTING PRESIDENT?????? This is DISGUSTING. IN A TIME OF WAR?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, I’m screaming.
Mommypundit on November 13, 2008 at 5:50 AM
Nothing like a full scale ideological purging to get the T.C.’s blood flowing….
idiots.
Squid Shark on November 13, 2008 at 5:55 AM
Just what defines a RINO? I think it depends on perception. I’m fairly environmentalist (though I despise Al Gore) pro-regulation, mostly pro-choice, and generally less of a free marketeer. I just don’ trust the democrats to win the war and do anything right with regard to the economy – especially in the case of my useless senator and pathetic excuse for a president elect. I don’t consider myself a RINO, but who the hell does? Hagel probably thinks of himself as a good member of the GOP, after all.
Also, the problem of running on limited government is simply a matter of constituent expectations. The GOP has to link earmarks/wasteful spending to higher taxes. Repeatedly and consistently. Otherwise, it comes off as foolish to not take as much money for your district or state as possible.
OmegaPaladin on November 13, 2008 at 6:13 AM
I’m as conservative as anyone here at HA, but I want a big tent.
It’s foolish for leaders like Rush to demand that McCain & other center/right Republicans “go all the way” & become Democrats.
I can disagree with you on a few things while calling you an ally.
jgapinoy on November 13, 2008 at 6:49 AM
I would think you libwackos would praise him for that.
fossten on November 13, 2008 at 6:56 AM
Yeah, he should have just asked Bruce Springstein who simply told the draft board he was gay.
hawkdriver on November 13, 2008 at 7:00 AM
Bombastic as he is, I did hear Rush say something to that effect. He also said all are welcome in the Party to include Democrats if they subscribe to the basic tenets of our beliefs.
Geez, I’ve got a friend that is a Conservative Democrat. And he votes Democrat. But if you sit down and talk to him, he’s farther right than most people who blog here. His politics was handed down by his parents.
It’s not what we call ourselves, it’s what we believe. We have to advertise better, what we believe.
hawkdriver on November 13, 2008 at 7:06 AM
That’s all well and good, but we still cannot raise up a leader who is half-liberal. It’s a recipe for losing.
fossten on November 13, 2008 at 7:12 AM
Nugent’s just another phony who’s able to fool those who confuse knowledge with being articulate. He belongs on the radio.
sanguine4 on November 13, 2008 at 7:30 AM
I love Ted.
SueM on November 13, 2008 at 7:31 AM
Okay, someone has to come up with a photoshopped RINO hunting license.
Maybe a contest to Uncle Ted’s RINO hunting license.
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 7:33 AM
We will let the RINO’s in the tent to vote, then they have to leave. They eat outside, since they feed on the liberal media.
right2bright on November 13, 2008 at 7:34 AM
The point is, true conservatism, economic and cultural, has gravity. It will draw people to it. If we “reach out” to moderates we appear moderate ourselves. What’s to distinguish us from moderate Dems?
Reagan didn’t reach out. He spoke of conservative principles with pride and moderate Dems came to him.
The next post that says, “I’m as conservative as you can get…blah, blah, blah,” then spouts inclusive tolerance for liberal drivel should get a RINO tag pasted on it.
pugwriter on November 13, 2008 at 7:35 AM
I could careless about the size of the tent. Doing the
rightCorrect thing is not about compromising yourself to make sure people “feel good” about it. It’s about doing theRIGHTCORRECT THING.Most of what the
GOPConservatives have been fighting the GOP for haven’t been for the LEFT thing, it’s been about enforcing the law or protecting the country.1) Terrorists = Dead
2) Illegals = Deported
3) Borders = Secured
4) Gun = Right
If you can get on board with that tent, then so be it. If not, then I am not willing to expand my bureaucratic bloat to suit you.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 13, 2008 at 7:43 AM
Just remember folks, for every RINO out there who might leave the Party, there’s two to three other Libertarians who would join, if the GOP just toughened up.
Libertarian Bob Barr got 500,000 votes. I dare say that would more than make up for some of those East Coast Establishment folks who want to keep the Party moderate.
ericdondero on November 13, 2008 at 7:46 AM
Can we please put Peggy Noonan and George Will (and maybe David Frum and Kathy Parker), on the top of Ted’s list?
Pretty please?
ericdondero on November 13, 2008 at 7:49 AM
How long has it been since a ‘true conservative’ got the Presidential nomination?
I think that proves Ted and the RINO hunters are wrong.
There’s nothing wrong with thinking independently from the group. I would hate to see the party fall into a ‘group think’ mentality.
Mr Purple on November 13, 2008 at 7:57 AM
Nobody is trying to make the Tent smaller. What we’re saying is that it’s time to put move the Tent entrance on the other side. Time to welcome Libertarians into the Tent with open arms, and maybe de-emphasize the importance of Moderates and Centrists.
500,000 people voted for Libertarian Bob Barr. (Another 170,000 for the Constitution Party.) Those should be Republican votes.
Why do you think they don’t vote GOP?
Cause of compromise on free market principles, like the Mods want.
ericdondero on November 13, 2008 at 7:59 AM
AP–how about your definition of a RINO. I may qualify, I’d like to know where I stand if it’s not too much trouble. thanks.
jeanie on November 13, 2008 at 8:01 AM
You’re a city boy, aren’t you.
pugwriter on November 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM
Well, when ever I set up a tent or sleeping area when I was in the Corps, I made sure snakes and other creatures were out of the area. RINO’s assisted in getting us where we are now…. not a good thing, I might add. Chase the rascals out. I’m tired of “Big Tent” rhetoric.
MNDavenotPC on November 13, 2008 at 8:18 AM
RINOs can be in the tent, but we can’t have them making policy
lodge on November 13, 2008 at 8:23 AM
Stand for something.
If you stand for things I oppose, fine, stand across from me and we can debate. But don’t tell me we all need to come together when I don’t believe what you believe.
There is nothing cool, magnetic, or desirable about being a candy-ass.
pugwriter on November 13, 2008 at 8:25 AM
Reagan spoke like a conservative but governed much closer to the center.
Squid Shark on November 13, 2008 at 8:27 AM
I stand for something and I hold on to my beliefs. But I am still, supposedly, a RINO.
You T.C.’s who want to kick us out of the party are digging your own grave. The center flocked to Obama, not because he “articulated liberal principles” but because they did not get the John McCain they thought they knew. They got some half-baked Rush Limbaugh lite.
Squid Shark on November 13, 2008 at 8:30 AM
Enjoy your tiny tent and the long road to irrelevance.
Squid Shark on November 13, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Squid Shark,
More squid than shark, I’d say.
pugwriter on November 13, 2008 at 8:33 AM
Squid Shark on November 13, 2008 at 8:36 AM
Compliments to your Naval service. For that you get my undying gratitude.
As to your moderate politics–you’re still a squid.
pugwriter on November 13, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Ok I am sold!
Let’s have Nugent run the GOP.
angelat0763 on November 13, 2008 at 8:40 AM
Squid,
I don’t try to compensate for the size of my penis with the size of my dog.
Although the “pug” in “Pugwriter” refers to boxing–as in pugilist. Although I do have a pug dog. Cute little feller.
pugwriter on November 13, 2008 at 8:43 AM
One “although” too many in my last post. Hate it when I do that.
pugwriter on November 13, 2008 at 8:44 AM
Strong conservatism will never be irrelevant… middle of the road philosophies fast become so. Always knew a squid would be soft, no skeletal attributes obviously. But they make great chauffeurs… we jarheads thank you.
But that said, I’m never one to not thank a person for their service.
MNDavenotPC on November 13, 2008 at 8:47 AM
Nope, I am a MAN.
Boys like you should leave the work to the real men.
Mr Purple on November 13, 2008 at 8:48 AM
Oh Lord.
pugwriter on November 13, 2008 at 8:51 AM
No need to address me as a superior being, Cletus.
I’m humble like that.
Mr Purple on November 13, 2008 at 8:53 AM
I love it.
My lame duck Senator, Jhon Warner (RINO-VA), is an absolute disgrace.
He is retiring this year and his seat will be taken by MARK Warner, a Dhimm (I’m sure half the people voting for Mark had no clue that it was a different Warner, but I digress).
I’m an ex-Democrat and I DISPISE RINO’s….how have you Repubs put up with this scum? I guess the same way Catholics continue to elect pro-abortion candidates.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on November 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM
btw, this a great national group that concentrates on getting conservatives elected:
http://www.ClubForGrowth.org
(not to be confused with Joe Bribem’s hair growth for men)
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on November 13, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Conservative principles ARE “big tent.”
This is not rocket science. It’s common sense.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on November 13, 2008 at 9:12 AM
Is axelrod still sending you food stamps?
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on November 13, 2008 at 9:13 AM
You aren’t the only one.
American Revolution 2.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on November 13, 2008 at 9:19 AM
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