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Video: Palin on three reasons why McCain lost

posted at 11:45 am on November 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Seventeen minutes with Lauer, with the most interesting stuff right up front in chitchat about why they lost and her thwarted plan to introduce McCain’s concession speech and “brag him up.” Note the very first reason she lists for their defeat — before Obama’s money advantage, before even the anti-Republican tide. (She adds a fourth, the financial crisis, later on.) If you think she’s going to jettison her position on amnesty now that she’s free of Team Maverick’s clutches, I think you’re kidding yourself.

No talk here about 2012 but she and Greta covered that last night. The video’s available at the FNC website but it runs 45 minutes so stick with the transcript instead. The part in the very middle, about abortion as the ultimate wedge issue among feminists, is worthwhile, as is what she has to say near the end about the McCain camp having researched her votes as a Wasilla city council member 15 years ago before she was asked to join the ticket. So much for “She wasn’t vetted.” Exit question: Whom does she have in mind here? Hmmm.



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It is nice to see two future presidents at home.

Thanks AP for the transcript link.

kybowexar on November 11, 2008 at 11:50 AM

That’s hilarious, Piper is wearing a “I love NY” shirt.

Good job working on your uniter skills, young lady. No need to alienate the liberals as you prepare your run.

kybowexar on November 11, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Odd that during this phenomenally depressing period in my life, just hearing and/or seeing Palin gives me hope.
The only politician to do that at this moment.
God bless her and her family.

carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 11:53 AM

“If you think she’s going to jettison her position on amnesty now that she’s free of Team Maverick’s clutches, I think you’re kidding yourself.”

I actually agree with her position. Many conservative hispanics do.

latinchic on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

True, but it was a lot closer than the polls had predicted.

Tony737 on November 11, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Great family.
Of course, I’m biased. I like babies.

Count to 10 on November 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM

She did pretty damn good this morning. The road to recovery starts now.

rob verdi on November 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Odd that during this phenomenally depressing period in my life, just hearing and/or seeing Palin gives me hope.
The only politician to do that at this moment.
God bless her and her family.

carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 11:53 AM

I agree … especially the interview last night

joey24007 on November 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Sarah palin is the only reason anyone voted for mcamnesty. I’m just glad I don’t have to hear “my friends” anymore. But, conservatives were never his “friends” anyway. Wait till he gets back in the senate and he partners with Kennedy again on “health care”. Bipartisanlly screwing us along the way.

texaninfidel on November 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Cutest kids ever. (Except for my goddaughters. :-) )

Gina on November 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM

the two ‘cudas

one attached to McCain and the other free

joey24007 on November 11, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Does Lauer claim to be a journalist?

Holy sh*t, what a jackass. Go work for the National Enquirer, Matt.

Metro on November 11, 2008 at 12:01 PM

gov Palin rocks….

Allah immigration will be a non issue come 2012 because the dems will have passed amnesty no matter what the population says about it.

unseen on November 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Wow is it me or is the MSM treating her much nicer?

terryannonline on November 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM

I predict that sometime in the future, she will deliver a “why I am a republican speech” that will get a lot of heads nodding and will prove to be the rebirth of this great party.

joepub on November 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Wow is it me or is the MSM treating her much nicer?

terryannonline on November 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM

They have to … now that the Messiah has a real job with real responsibilities he is not available

So they have to go after her … I mean she does bring in the crowds and the ratings

joey24007 on November 11, 2008 at 12:05 PM

I LOVE Sarah Palin.

I went to four McCain rallies this election. The main question everyone asked while standing in line was “Is Sarah going to be here?”

Give ‘em hell Sarah!

Gotcha on November 11, 2008 at 12:07 PM

The best thing the Gov. Palin could do for herself and us is to govern Alaska well. If the times are going to be as tough as the MSM says (why I should believe them now is beyond me) then her state must be her first priority. After family, obviously.

Cindy Munford on November 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Wow is it me or is the MSM treating her much nicer?

terryannonline on November 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM

They went way too far with the ugly and they know it. To believe some of the crap that has come out about Palin in the last week, one would have to believe that she has less grasp on geography than Piper. Not to mention the towel story and the clothing story and the ugly Trig Trutherism that certain once prominent bloggers are still pursuing just damages their credibility even more than it already is. It has really backfired on them.

Illinidiva on November 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Lauer was pretty fair with her. Here’s hoping Wolf Blitzer is the same. Is it true she’ll be on Larry King tomorrow night?

CanadianGuy on November 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Why does Palin even bother to talk to these attack dogs?

PattyJ on November 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM

If you think she’s going to jettison her position on amnesty now that she’s free of Team Maverick’s clutches, I think you’re kidding yourself.

Using “amnesty” as a dirty word for any immigration stance not pre-approved by Michelle Malkin is a poor substitute for political critique. On the larger issue, AP is probably right. Indeed, I’d put the odds are extremely high that Palin would be happy to accept some practical (or practical-looking) compromise that would drive a lot of people here right up the wall.

Might want to start figuring out how you’re going to deal with that. Exit question: What are the odds that HotAir turns on Sara bigtime?

CK MacLeod on November 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Exit question: Whom does she have in mind here? Hmmm.

Do barebackers wear pajamas?

She should start up her own blog… RAWMUSLGLUTESWatch.blogspot.com … under the screen name… triggah….

ninjapirate on November 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

It would have been nice to see these interviews in her home, and the humanizing aspects of them, during the actual campaign. She did well…what a great lady. She has my support in 2012, 2016, or whenever she chooses to run again.

changer1701 on November 11, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Holy crap. After Palin gives her reponse to the first question Lauer immediately looks at her and says, what about that Barack Obama? Isn’t he so dreamy. So godlike.

Why did she decide to sit down with NBC? Shun them damnit.

gumble on November 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

We got where we afre because of Bush’s complete refusal to defend himself, Palin is not going to play that way

We must also resist the call for unity and say how our decisions owuld have been better at avery turn. It worked for the donks

clnurnberg on November 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

The Hispanic vote was not the reason McCain lost anything outside the Southwest. We lost because the Dims mobilized the pro-abortion base, which Palin didn’t do much to placate.

Speedwagon82 on November 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

No ambitious politician on either side of the aisle can resist the lure of a new voting bloc. Governor Palin is pretty sure she has a lock on the conservative base who will forgive a small misstep on illegal immigration.

a capella on November 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

“somebody said no, they said it would be unprecedented for a VP to introduce a concession speech…”
LOL

crr6 on November 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

I didn’t see Lauer’s piece on Sarah this morning. Was it fair, or more gotcha stuff?

james23 on November 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

I was never a believer in blanket amnesty (again) but the round them up and ship home never made much sense either. Many have been self deporting and the economy will discourage new arrivals. Enforce employment laws will always be a winner.

Cindy Munford on November 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Holy crap. After Palin gives her reponse to the first question Lauer immediately looks at her and says, what about that Barack Obama? Isn’t he so dreamy. So godlike.

Why did she decide to sit down with NBC? Shun them damnit.

gumble on November 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Lauer was thinking about Obama because he ah … yeah

follow me?

hehe

joey24007 on November 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Using “amnesty” as a dirty word for any immigration stance not pre-approved by Michelle Malkin is a poor substitute for political critique. On the larger issue, AP is probably right. Indeed, I’d put the odds are extremely high that Palin would be happy to accept some practical (or practical-looking) compromise that would drive a lot of people here right up the wall.

Might want to start figuring out how you’re going to deal with that. Exit question: What are the odds that HotAir turns on Sara bigtime?

CK MacLeod on November 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

I understand that there is lot of blue collar folks that are afraid that Latino immigrants will threaten their jobs and lower their wages and understand that they are trying to protect their wages. But conservatives really need to come up with a compromise on this so it is off the table. And modulate the rhetoric; it turns off potential Latino voters.

Illinidiva on November 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Lauer was pretty fair with her. Here’s hoping Wolf Blitzer is the same. Is it true she’ll be on Larry King tomorrow night?

Cheney knows how to handle Blitzer. This is the most hilarious interview ever

lodge on November 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Sara can easily handle metrosexual Matt and Katie Cupcake on her own dime . Shilling for that dusty old RINO will make anyone look bad.

She has learned how to use their gotcha questions to make them look ridiculous.

To live outside the law you must be honest.Sarah has nothing to hide and plenty to offer her country.

Sarah 2012.

DeweyWins on November 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Exit question: What are the odds that HotAir turns onagainst Sara bigtime?

I really should know better than to use the phrase “turns on” in any context involving Palin. Apologies.

I still think the question is a good one. Even Mark Krikorian was high on Palin at one point. Is there some real immigration compromise or set of new ideas, or even a decent way to paper over differences? It’s not really just a question for HotAir/MM/AP, but for many of the most vocal and committed members of the conservative base, and in the minds of many one of the biggest questions hanging over the future of the Republican Party.

CK MacLeod on November 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Does Lauer claim to be a journalist?

Holy sh*t, what a jackass. Go work for the National Enquirer, Matt.

Metro on November 11, 2008 at 12:01 PM

I think Matt was sporting a woody.

Amadeus on November 11, 2008 at 12:24 PM

If you think she’s going to jettison her position on amnesty now that she’s free of Team Maverick’s clutches, I think you’re kidding yourself.

If she supports amnesty by herself, I won’t support her. I lover her, and would like her to be President, but if she’s intent on bankrupting this country by giving it and entitlement programs away to anyone and everyone who ‘wants to be American’, then we don’t need government.

She said ‘we didn’t get the hispanic vote’. That’s because that’s McCain. McCain focuses on the hispanic vote because he’s from ARIZONA. They lost because of the black vote.

I reiterate. . . I’m not a cult of personality guy. If she supports amnesty, I won’t support her. Governing isn’t giving away something that you don’t have before ensuring that those you have already promised something gets it.

I don’t expect to get social security or medicare. . . yet older illegal aliens will be able to get it (my tax dollars) by paying 5,000 dollars.

ThackerAgency on November 11, 2008 at 12:25 PM

That’s hilarious, Piper is wearing a “I love NY” shirt.
kybowexar on November 11, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Technically, that makes her eligible to run for the Senate.

logis on November 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM

love palin
but she’ll lose my vote fast if she is into open borders.

blatantblue on November 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Right on, Sarah!

DL13 on November 11, 2008 at 12:28 PM

the borders are already defacto open

How about this strategy … enforce the law! … take away the social services currently given to the illegals … New Jersey spends billions on illegals every year for education, medical care blah blah blah

take away the incentive to be here …

joey24007 on November 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM

You know, Palin talks about it being tough to overcome the negative perceptions of President Bush and Republicans but a large part of it was because they allowed the Democrats/Main stream media (same thing) to shape that perception.

The Democrats came to power over the down turn in Iraq and the public’s loss of confidence in it. But when things got better in Iraq the Presidents and Republicans status never improved with it and the Democrats weren’t diminished by their efforts to push for defeat and retreat in Iraq. They had lots of help from the media in that. And then the Republicans were primarily blamed for the financial crisis when it was mostly the Democrats fault.

Republicans are at a huge disadvantage with the media helping the Democrats and attacking Republicans. If the Republicans fail to confront the media like they should have done since 2004 then they will have an incredibly tough time winning elections.

Bankrupt the Democrat Mainstream Media and build up Republican alternatives. The first step is stop going on these networks and giving interviews.

gumble on November 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM

I wish she’d stop talking up McCain. I know it’s the proper thing to do, but I just can’t stand hearing it. I’m sorry, but McCain seems more concerned about Democrats’ feelings and opinions of him than he does the future of the country or his party.

CanadianGuy on November 11, 2008 at 12:31 PM

That’s hilarious, Piper is wearing a “I love NY” shirt.
kybowexar on November 11, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Technically, that makes her eligible to run for the Senate vote in NY.

logis on November 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM

FIFY

BacaDog on November 11, 2008 at 12:31 PM

But conservatives really need to come up with a compromise on this so it is off the table. And modulate the rhetoric; it turns off potential Latino voters.

Illinidiva on November 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM

the issue is pretty straightforward. Are members of a potential voting bloc allowed to break laws when the rest of us have to abide by laws. I see difficulty in trying to compromise it.

a capella on November 11, 2008 at 12:31 PM

damn right joey.
im sick of seeing handfuls of illegals lining up outside long island 7-11’s.

sick of them crowding our hospitals for colds and runny noses.

blatantblue on November 11, 2008 at 12:31 PM

take away the incentive to be here …

joey24007 on November 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Well, with the ever falling stock market (down 281 right now) it looks as if Americans will soon be doing the jobs that Americans won’t do. That should clean out the incentive.

carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 12:35 PM

to rebute Allah pundit on her immigation
In a follow up interview she had with
greta a few days after she first made the statements
on immigration. she said she doesn’t support any
type of path to citzensheip unless the borders are
secure first. so allah pundit , so securing our border
are a bad thing?

rwoodward6 on November 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Palin Rocks!!!

Firebird on November 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM

f you think she’s going to jettison her position on amnesty now that she’s free of Team Maverick’s clutches, I think you’re kidding yourself.

There’s nothing wrong with McCain’s position on immigration or Palin having the same position.

The problem with McCain is that we all strongly suspected it was a big fat lie and that “secure borders” was a phantom provision that would get “lost” in the shuffle.

We don’t have reason to think Palin is similarly dishonest on that point.

Lehosh on November 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM

The people who lived (past tense) next door to me, would have been a family that would have been given amnesty. The whole family was here, and their three children were US citizens. However, due to the drought here in Georgia, his job doing lawncare service dried up too. At the end of August, they moved back to Guatemala, abandoning their home. I’m still waiting for the mortgage company to show-up. They’re just one family that represent the mortgage failure.

Look at California and their debt, they pay out more than $9 billion in services to illegals and now they want the rest of the country to help them out? Hell no, raise taxes in California or quit giving these services.

Sorry, but if Palan supports that, I can’t support her. I will also fight Obama’s administration against giving citizenship to illegals, just as I fought against Bush.

moonsbreath on November 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM

CanadianGuy on November 11, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Exactly how I see it too. McCain wasn’t a true Republican Conservative. That was a reason why they put him in. I still say this election was totally a fixed sham. Palin is great! I miss her and hope she does run in 2012. She would make a remarkable President. And her kids are so adorable.

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 12:44 PM

take away the incentive to be here …

Indeed. We need to look at it from an economic perspective rather than a “build a fence” perspective.

Get rid of welfare for illegals and sanctuary cities. Crush businesses who exploit them.

Of course, if we had a vibrant economy we’d welcome the mexicans. I dont remember us turning the Italians back.

it’s the economy, stupid

lodge on November 11, 2008 at 12:45 PM

end chain migration

period

joey24007 on November 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Note the very first reason she lists for their defeat — ***. If you think she’s going to jettison her position on amnesty now that she’s free of Team Maverick’s clutches, I think you’re kidding yourself.

Palin is exactly right. Nevada, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado all have one thing in common: large and growing Hispanic populations that voted against the GOP ticket 70% to 30%. And a large part of the reason why Hispanic voters are fleeing the GOP is out of the belief that the GOP viscerally dislikes them, and a lot of that comes from the way we handled immigration reform. This was one area where I’m forced to concede Bush had basically right, and others in the GOP had disastrously wrong.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM

I’m the last one on here to be a “woo hoo” cheerleader type, but what an awesome family. I can’t get enough of watching them just be them.

How many ridiculous “reality” shows are there on TV, following a bunch of pseudo-celebrities doing idiotic crap? “The Palins” would make an AWESOME show. And once America falls in love with them, she can swoop in in 2012… Of course, Obama will make sure that America will be unable to recover ever again by then, so it’s just a dream.

RightWinged on November 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Imagine a liberal feminist doing an interview while cooking..

the_nile on November 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM

I love how the MSM decided that it was “Rovian” and “swiftboating” to push for further examination of Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers, but they are still obsessed with unproven allegations about Sarah Palin’s wardrobe.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM

I LOVE HER !!!

D2Boston on November 11, 2008 at 12:51 PM

…I actually agree with her position. Many conservative hispanics do.

latinchic on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

And many don’t.

Overall, her position, like McCain’s, is a losing position on a national basis. Her position also rewards those who illegally entered our country with their ill-gotten goods – residency itself, a sure-fire method to encourage more future illegal immigration. Anyone who ever took Psych 101 understands that rewarding a particular behavior (in this case, illegally entering our country) will result in more of that same behavior.

What we should be doing is facilitating LEGAL immigration, while at the same time stop rewarding ILLEGAL behavior.

If you ever want to stop future illegal entries, you must stop rewarding illegal aliens with their ill-gotten goods. it really is very easy to understand, once you think about it.

fred5678 on November 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM

You know what? I reckon it should be Palin/Palin 2012. First husband and wife President and Vice President. Now that would be cool.

Also did you see Lauer’s body language in that second clip in the Palins Kitchen? He was looking very intimidated and like he was expecting to to cop a beat down or something.

Dreadnought223 on November 11, 2008 at 12:55 PM

I was never a believer in blanket amnesty (again) but the round them up and ship home never made much sense either. Many have been self deporting and the economy will discourage new arrivals. Enforce employment laws will always be a winner.

Cindy Munford on November 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Don’t kid yourself. Democrats made huge inroads this year by stealthily going into Hispanic communities and attacking the Bush Administration for all the ICE raids in the last year. They scared even the legal residents with green cards that the Republicans would deport them and separate them from their families and deny them health care and school for their kids. Obama’s campaign put the word out that the raids will stop once he is in office.

There was a very deliberate campaign of lies and scare tactics and distortions run by the Democrats in the Hispanic communities. It probably did win the election for them.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM

ThackerAgency on November 11, 2008 at 12:25 PM

I think she needs to break out of that Alaska bubble a bit more before she solidifies an opinion on illegal immigration. Come visit some southern California emergency rooms, for instance. I’m sure there are a billion people in the world who have hard lives and would love to live in America. Are we going to let them all in, or just the ones who had the fortune of living in a country within hiking distance?

thecountofincognito on November 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM

take away the incentive to be here …

Indeed. We need to look at it from an economic perspective rather than a “build a fence” perspective.

I can’t believe there are actually people on HERE saying that Bush and McCain are both right on immigration. I find this particular argument entertaining. While I recognize that you don’t mean it like this, what you are saying is that we should trash this country so that people won’t WANT to come here. . . that’s a heck of a way to formulate policy.

Any politician who supports amnesty automatically makes their position irrelevant. Why? we are a nation of laws. Until they start giving amnesty to non-violent drug criminals who ‘want a better life for their families’, illegal aliens with NO RIGHTS under the Constitution do NOT have a right to be here.

This has nothing to do with ‘racism’ or where they are from. At some point, someone has to stand up and shout out VERY VERY LOUD. . . WE CAN’T AFFORD IT!

STOP SPENDING MONEY YOU DON’T HAVE! STOP WASTING ALL OF OUR MONEY!

That’s conservative. Giving away entitlement programs to 20 million new people is neither compassionate nor conservative. . . and it makes a mockery out of our judicial system. If they get amnesty, I want a license to speed as fast as I can go in my car.

ThackerAgency on November 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Love how Lauer is totally objective here. “You didn’t mention in that laundry list of reason, the strength of Senator Obama. It turned out that he was a remarkable candidate…”

hawksruleva on November 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM

lodge on November 11, 2008 at 12:45 PM

The immigration debacle is classic knee-jerk b.s. behavior on the part of Republicans. What makes illegal immigrant labor “popular” is the fact that businesses can violate wage & hour laws, occupational safety laws, and payroll taxes and so forth with impunity. Those illegals then displace legal residents and U.S. citizens. It’s classic rent seeking. Employers get away with it because there are no good ways for employers to verify immigration status. The I-9 is ridiculous.

Bush’s idea was a good one. It sent the message to Hispanics that the GOP cares about them and values their work. It also would have dramatically reduced demand for immigrant labor by removing the rent seeking and weaseldom by employers. Yes, you can say “well, what if the government didn’t enforce the law?,” but the laws aren’t being enforced now and we’re overloaded with illegals…

Remember, we lost the black vote for 40 years (and still don’t have it back) because of Barry Goldwater’s principled, non-racist objection to the Civil Rights Acts. If we lose the Hispanic vote, we can kiss our days as a national party goodbye.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 1:00 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. WTF? She let Lauer eat at her house? WHY???

I wish one of her kids poured some laxatives in his food.

gumble on November 11, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Also did you see Lauer’s body language in that second clip in the Palins Kitchen? He was looking very intimidated and like he was expecting to to cop a beat down or something.

Dreadnought223 on November 11, 2008 at 12:55 PM

When do you think was the last time Matt Lauer was in an ordinary person’s kitchen watching a mom fixing food for her kids? He lives in a $4 million Park Avenue apartment and is married to a supermodel. His friends are all rich media types and other rich New Yorkers. Barack Obama never did any interviews from his home, nor did Michelle. They have acted like they were President and First Lady since the day Obama announced his candidacy.

I did not see Lauer as being intimidated, I saw him as having a revelation that this woman is the real thing and lives the way most Americans do.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM

A fine woman who should continue being a good governor and then move on to the Senate. She deserved a lto better then the way she ws treated by the MSM and backstabbing pseudo Republicans/Cosnervatives. Screw you Peggy Noonan and Kathleen Parker.

Hilts on November 11, 2008 at 1:02 PM

And a large part of the reason why Hispanic voters are fleeing the GOP is out of the belief that the GOP viscerally dislikes them, and a lot of that comes from the way we handled immigration reform. This was one area where I’m forced to concede Bush had basically right, and others in the GOP had disastrously wrong.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM

You mean rewarding illegal activity is O.K. if it returns us votes? I would also suspect that the McCain-Graham insistence as painting all who opposed shamnesty as bigots and nativists might have something to do with any negative impression Hispanics have of the GOP in that regard.

a capella on November 11, 2008 at 1:02 PM

…This was one area where I’m forced to concede Bush had basically right, and others in the GOP had disastrously wrong.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Actually, no. About 80% of all Americans protested against the McCain-Kennedy bill 3 times, especially when McCain changed the Z visa waiting period from 90 days to a single business day in 2007, thumbing his nose at any semblance of doing background checks and health checks on 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. Bush, McCain, and Kennedy were on the opposite side of even Democrat voters. This is the only poll ever published that offered all three options. Most polls simply echoed McCain’s false dichotomy of, “We can’t deport 12 million, THEREFORE we must make them citizens.

fred5678 on November 11, 2008 at 1:03 PM

This was one area where I’m forced to concede Bush had basically Politically right, and others in the GOP had disastrously wrong.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Fixed it for ya!

Amnesty is not the the right answer. Unfortunantly it will be hard to win elections without the hispanic vote.

Amadeus on November 11, 2008 at 1:03 PM

It also would have dramatically reduced demand for immigrant labor by removing the rent seeking and weaseldom by employers.

OK look. The argument on this debate is the problem. It’s either give them all citizenship, or it’s deport them all.

What NEEDS to happen is a GUEST worker program. EMPHASIZE GUEST. No chance of being citizen. We have a citizenship process. They can get in line like everyone else. If they want to come here and work, they can get a TEMPORARY (emphasize temporary) GUEST WORKER VISA to work during the season and THEN GO HOME – NO CITIZENSHIP.

They do this successfully in Canada. They do this successfully all over the world. I don’t have a problem with the people. I have a problem with the people using up all the public services and entitlement programs that the government forces me to pay more in property taxes and sales taxes to be able to provide for people who shouldn’t be living here.

ThackerAgency on November 11, 2008 at 1:04 PM

It’s funny that even though she lost, the press is still pressing her harder on frivolous stuff than they have and probably ever will press Obama on anything. Sad.

bekarlss on November 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM

If we lose the Hispanic vote, we can kiss our days as a national party goodbye.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 1:00 PM

If we suspend belief in the rule of law to gain votes, maybe it is about time. As a party, the GOP needs to fish or cut bait.

a capella on November 11, 2008 at 1:07 PM

It’s funny that even though she lost, the press is still pressing her harder on frivolous stuff than they have and probably ever will press Obama on anything. Sad.

bekarlss on November 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM

and every time they bring it up and she smacks them down … she comes out ahead

joey24007 on November 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Another thing,..with amnesty of any type, there will be a larger influx of illegals, and a susequent larger voting bloc to woo. It will be a constant, growing temptation for politicians. By now, we should know the strict border enforcement promises are a sham.

a capella on November 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM

in listening to the interview, Matt keeps interupting her..

Respect your subject, Matt.. please..

you wonder why the the alphabet networks lose ratings..

DaveC on November 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM

…Remember, we lost the black vote for 40 years (and still don’t have it back) because of Barry Goldwater’s principled, non-racist objection to the Civil Rights Acts. If we lose the Hispanic vote, we can kiss our days as a national party goodbye.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 1:00 PM

You might have missed this post from FreeThinkerNYC a few days ago. Too much false GOP guilt and not enough PR.

ASTONISHING HISTORY OF DEMOCRAT RACISM

Democrats have ALWAYS been the Party of Slavery and Racism

United States History of Racism Against Blacks

The Republican Party was formed in 1854 specifically to oppose the Democrats, and for more than 150 years, they have done everything they could to block the Democrat agenda. In their abuses of power, they have even used threats and military violence to thwart the Democrat Party’s attempts to make this a progressive country. As you read the following Republican atrocities that span three centuries, imagine if you will, what a far different nation the United States would be had not the Republicans been around to block the Democrats’ efforts.

March 20, 1854 Opponents of Democrats’ pro-slavery policies meet in Ripon, Wisconsin to establish the Republican Party

May 30, 1854 Democrat President Franklin Pierce signs Democrats’ Kansas-Nebraska Act, expanding slavery into U.S. territories; opponents unite to form the Republican Party

June 16, 1854 Newspaper editor Horace Greeley calls on opponents of slavery to unite in the Republican Party

July 6, 1854 First state Republican Party officially organized in Jackson, Michigan, to oppose Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

February 11, 1856 Republican Montgomery Blair argues before U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of his client, the slave Dred Scott; later served in President Lincoln’s Cabinet

February 22, 1856 First national meeting of the Republican Party, in Pittsburgh, to coordinate opposition to Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

March 27, 1856 First meeting of Republican National Committee in Washington, DC to oppose Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

May 22, 1856 For denouncing Democrats’ pro-slavery policy, Republican U.S. Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) is beaten nearly to death on floor of Senate by U.S. Rep. Preston Brooks (D-SC), takes three years to recover

March 6, 1857 Republican Supreme Court Justice John McLean issues strenuous dissent from decision by 7 Democrats in infamous Dred Scott case that African-Americans had no rights “which any white man was bound to respect”

June 26, 1857 Abraham Lincoln declares Republican position that slavery is “cruelly wrong,” while Democrats “cultivate and excite hatred” for blacks

October 13, 1858 During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee

October 25, 1858 U.S. Senator William Seward (R-NY) describes Democratic Party as “inextricably committed to the designs of the slaveholders”; as President Abraham Lincoln’s Secretary of State, helped draft Emancipation Proclamation

June 4, 1860 Republican U.S. Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) delivers his classic address, The Barbarism of Slavery

April 7, 1862 President Lincoln concludes treaty with Britain for suppression of slave trade

April 16, 1862 President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no

July 2, 1862 U.S. Rep. Justin Morrill (R-VT) wins passage of Land Grant Act, establishing colleges open to African-Americans, including such students as George Washington Carver

July 17, 1862 Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”

August 19, 1862 Republican newspaper editor Horace Greeley writes Prayer of Twenty Millions, calling on President Lincoln to declare emancipation

August 25, 1862 President Abraham Lincoln authorizes enlistment of African-American soldiers in U.S. Army

September 22, 1862 Republican President Abraham Lincoln issues Emancipation Proclamation

January 1, 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, implementing the Republicans’ Confiscation Act of 1862, takes effect

February 9, 1864 Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton deliver over 100,000 signatures to U.S. Senate supporting Republicans’ plans for constitutional amendment to ban slavery

June 15, 1864 Republican Congress votes equal pay for African-American troops serving in U.S. Army during Civil War

June 28, 1864 Republican majority in Congress repeals Fugitive Slave Acts

October 29, 1864 African-American abolitionist Sojourner Truth says of President Lincoln: “I never was treated by anyone with more kindness and cordiality than were shown to me by that great and good man”

January 31, 1865 13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition

March 3, 1865 Republican Congress establishes Freedmen’s Bureau to provide health care, education, and technical assistance to emancipated slaves

April 8, 1865 13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition

June 19, 1865 On “Juneteenth,” U.S. troops land in Galveston, TX to enforce ban on slavery that had been declared more than two years before by the Emancipation Proclamation

November 22, 1865 Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination

December 6, 1865 Republican Party’s 13th Amendment, banning slavery, is ratified

February 5, 1866 U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves

April 9, 1866 Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto; Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law

April 19, 1866 Thousands assemble in Washington, DC to celebrate Republican Party’s abolition of slavery

May 10, 1866 U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote no

June 8, 1866 U.S. Senate passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens; 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no

July 16, 1866 Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of Freedman’s Bureau Act, which protected former slaves from “black codes” denying their rights

July 28, 1866 Republican Congress authorizes formation of the Buffalo Soldiers, two regiments of African-American cavalrymen

July 30, 1866 Democrat-controlled City of New Orleans orders police to storm racially-integrated Republican meeting; raid kills 40 and wounds more than 150

January 8, 1867 Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.

July 19, 1867 Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans

March 30, 1868 Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”

May 20, 1868 Republican National Convention marks debut of African-American politicians on national stage; two – Pinckney Pinchback and James Harris – attend as delegates, and several serve as presidential electors

September 3, 1868 25 African-Americans in Georgia legislature, all Republicans, expelled by Democrat majority; later reinstated by Republican Congress

September 12, 1868 Civil rights activist Tunis Campbell and all other African-Americans in Georgia Senate, every one a Republican, expelled by Democrat majority; would later be reinstated by Republican Congress

September 28, 1868 Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana murder nearly 300 African-Americans who tried to prevent an assault against a Republican newspaper editor

October 7, 1868 Republicans denounce Democratic Party’s national campaign theme: “This is a white man’s country: Let white men rule”

October 22, 1868 While campaigning for re-election, Republican U.S. Rep. James Hinds (R-AR) is assassinated by Democrat terrorists who organized as the Ku Klux Klan

November 3, 1868 Republican Ulysses Grant defeats Democrat Horatio Seymour in presidential election; Seymour had denounced Emancipation Proclamation

December 10, 1869 Republican Gov. John Campbell of Wyoming Territory signs FIRST-in-nation law granting women right to vote and to hold public office

February 3, 1870 After passing House with 98% Republican support and 97% Democrat opposition, Republicans’ 15th Amendment is ratified, granting vote to all Americans regardless of race

May 19, 1870 African-American John Langston, law professor and future Republican Congressman from Virginia, delivers influential speech supporting President Ulysses Grant’s civil rights policies

May 31, 1870 President U.S. Grant signs Republicans’ Enforcement Act, providing stiff penalties for depriving any American’s civil rights

June 22, 1870 Republican Congress creates U.S. Department of Justice, to safeguard the civil rights of African-Americans against Democrats in the South

September 6, 1870 Women vote in Wyoming, in FIRST election after women’s suffrage signed into law by Republican Gov. John Campbell

February 28, 1871 Republican Congress passes Enforcement Act providing federal protection for African-American voters

March 22, 1871 Spartansburg Republican newspaper denounces Ku Klux Klan campaign to eradicate the Republican Party in South Carolina

April 20, 1871 Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans

October 10, 1871 Following warnings by Philadelphia Democrats against black voting, African-American Republican civil rights activist Octavius Catto murdered by Democratic Party operative; his military funeral was attended by thousands

October 18, 1871 After violence against Republicans in South Carolina, President Ulysses Grant deploys U.S. troops to combat Democrat terrorists who formed the Ku Klux Klan

November 18, 1872 Susan B. Anthony arrested for voting, after boasting to Elizabeth Cady Stanton that she voted for “the Republican ticket, straight”

January 17, 1874 Armed Democrats seize Texas state government, ending Republican efforts to racially integrate government

September 14, 1874 Democrat white supremacists seize Louisiana statehouse in attempt to overthrow racially-integrated administration of Republican Governor William Kellogg; 27 killed

March 1, 1875 Civil Rights Act of 1875, guaranteeing access to public accommodations without regard to race, signed by Republican President U.S. Grant; passed with 92% Republican support over 100% Democrat opposition

September 20, 1876 Former state Attorney General Robert Ingersoll (R-IL) tells veterans: “Every man that loved slavery better than liberty was a Democrat… I am a Republican because it is the only free party that ever existed”

January 10, 1878 U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate guaranteed its approval in 1919

July 14, 1884 Republicans criticize Democratic Party’s nomination of racist U.S. Senator Thomas Hendricks (D-IN) for vice president; he had voted against the 13th Amendment banning slavery

August 30, 1890 Republican President Benjamin Harrison signs legislation by U.S. Senator Justin Morrill (R-VT) making African-Americans eligible for land-grant colleges in the South

June 7, 1892 In a FIRST for a major U.S. political party, two women – Theresa Jenkins and Cora Carleton – attend Republican National Convention in an official capacity, as alternate delegates

February 8, 1894 Democrat Congress and Democrat President Grover Cleveland join to repeal Republicans’ Enforcement Act, which had enabled African-Americans to vote

December 11, 1895 African-American Republican and former U.S. Rep. Thomas Miller (R-SC) denounces new state constitution written to disenfranchise African-Americans

May 18, 1896 Republican Justice John Marshall Harlan, dissenting from Supreme Court’s notorious Plessy v. Ferguson “separate but equal” decision, declares: “Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens”

December 31, 1898 Republican Theodore Roosevelt becomes Governor of New York; in 1900, he outlawed racial segregation in New York public schools

May 24, 1900 Republicans vote no in referendum for constitutional convention in Virginia, designed to create a new state constitution disenfranchising African-Americans

January 15, 1901 Republican Booker T. Washington protests Alabama Democratic Party’s refusal to permit voting by African-Americans

October 16, 1901 President Theodore Roosevelt invites Booker T. Washington to dine at White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country

May 29, 1902 Virginia Democrats implement new state constitution, condemned by Republicans as illegal, reducing African-American voter registration by 86%

February 12, 1909 On 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s birth, African-American Republicans and women’s suffragists Ida Wells and Mary Terrell co-found the NAACP

June 18, 1912 African-American Robert Church, founder of Lincoln Leagues to register black voters in Tennessee, attends 1912 Republican National Convention as delegate; eventually serves as delegate at 8 conventions

August 1, 1916 Republican presidential candidate Charles Evans Hughes, former New York Governor and U.S. Supreme Court Justice, endorses women’s suffrage constitutional amendment; he would become Secretary of State and Chief Justice

May 21, 1919 Republican House passes constitutional amendment granting women the vote with 85% of Republicans in favor, but only 54% of Democrats; in Senate, 80% of Republicans would vote yes, but almost half of Democrats no

April 18, 1920 Minnesota’s FIRST-in-the-nation anti-lynching law, promoted by African-American Republican Nellie Francis, signed by Republican Gov. Jacob Preus

August 18, 1920 Republican-authored 19th Amendment, giving women the vote, becomes part of Constitution; 26 of the 36 states to ratify had Republican-controlled legislatures

January 26, 1922 House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster

June 2, 1924 Republican President Calvin Coolidge signs bill passed by Republican Congress granting U.S. citizenship to all Native Americans

October 3, 1924 Republicans denounce three-time Democrat presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan for defending the Ku Klux Klan at 1924 Democratic National Convention

December 8, 1924 Democratic presidential candidate John W. Davis argues in favor of “separate but equal”

June 12, 1929 First Lady Lou Hoover invites wife of U.S. Rep. Oscar De Priest (R-IL), an African-American, to tea at the White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country

August 17, 1937 Republicans organize opposition to former Ku Klux Klansman and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black, appointed to U.S. Supreme Court by FDR; his Klan background was hidden until after confirmation

June 24, 1940 Republican Party platform calls for integration of the armed forces; for the balance of his terms in office, FDR refuses to order it

October 20, 1942 60 prominent African-Americans issue Durham Manifesto, calling on southern Democrats to abolish their all-white primaries

April 3, 1944 U.S. Supreme Court strikes down Texas Democratic Party’s “whites only” primary election system

August 8, 1945 Republicans condemn Harry Truman’s surprise use of the atomic bomb in Japan. The whining and criticism goes on for years. It begins two days after the Hiroshima bombing, when former Republican President Herbert Hoover writes to a friend that “[t]he use of the atomic bomb, with its indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul.”

February 18, 1946 Appointed by Republican President Calvin Coolidge, federal judge Paul McCormick ends segregation of Mexican-American children in California public schools

July 11, 1952 Republican Party platform condemns “duplicity and insincerity” of Democrats in racial matters

September 30, 1953 Earl Warren, California’s three-term Republican Governor and 1948 Republican vice presidential nominee, nominated to be Chief Justice; wrote landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education

December 8, 1953 Eisenhower administration Asst. Attorney General Lee Rankin argues for plaintiffs in Brown v. Board of Education

May 17, 1954 Chief Justice Earl Warren, three-term Republican Governor (CA) and Republican vice presidential nominee in 1948, wins unanimous support of Supreme Court for school desegregation in Brown v. Board of Education

November 25, 1955 Eisenhower administration bans racial segregation of interstate bus travel

March 12, 1956 Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation

June 5, 1956 Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law

October 19, 1956 On campaign trail, Vice President Richard Nixon vows: “American boys and girls shall sit, side by side, at any school – public or private – with no regard paid to the color of their skin. Segregation, discrimination, and prejudice have no place in America”

November 6, 1956 African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President

September 9, 1957 President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act

September 24, 1957 Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools

June 23, 1958 President Dwight Eisenhower meets with Martin Luther King and other African-American leaders to discuss plans to advance civil rights

February 4, 1959 President Eisenhower informs Republican leaders of his plan to introduce 1960 Civil Rights Act, despite staunch opposition from many Democrats

May 6, 1960 President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats

July 27, 1960 At Republican National Convention, Vice President and eventual presidential nominee Richard Nixon insists on strong civil rights plank in platform

May 2, 1963 Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights

June 1, 1963 Democrat Governor George Wallace announces defiance of court order issued by Republican federal judge Frank Johnson to integrate University of Alabama

September 29, 1963 Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School

June 9, 1964 Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate

June 10, 1964 Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirkson, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.

June 20, 1964 The Chicago Defender, renowned African-American newspaper, praises Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) for leading passage of 1964 Civil Rights Act

March 7, 1965 Police under the command of Democrat Governor George Wallace attack African-Americans demonstrating for voting rights in Selma, AL

March 21, 1965 Republican federal judge Frank Johnson authorizes Martin Luther King’s protest march from Selma to Montgomery, overruling Democrat Governor George Wallace

August 4, 1965 Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose

August 6, 1965 Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor

July 8, 1970 In special message to Congress, President Richard Nixon calls for reversal of policy of forced termination of Native American rights and benefits

September 17, 1971 Former Ku Klux Klan member and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black (D-AL) retires from U.S. Supreme Court; appointed by FDR in 1937, he had defended Klansmen for racial murders

February 19, 1976 President Gerald Ford formally rescinds President Franklin Roosevelt’s notorious Executive Order authorizing internment of over 120,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII

September 15, 1981 President Ronald Reagan establishes the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, to increase African-American participation in federal education programs

June 29, 1982 President Ronald Reagan signs 25-year extension of 1965 Voting Rights Act

August 10, 1988 Republican President Ronald Reagan signs Civil Liberties Act of 1988, compensating Japanese-Americans for deprivation of civil rights and property during World War II internment ordered by FDR

November 21, 1991 Republican President George H. W. Bush signs Civil Rights Act of 1991 to strengthen federal civil rights legislation

August 20, 1996 Bill authored by U.S. Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) to prohibit racial discrimination in adoptions, part of Republicans’ Contract With America, becomes law

April 26, 1999 Legislation authored by U.S. Senator Spencer Abraham (R-MI) awarding Congressional Gold Medal to civil rights pioneer Rosa Parks is transmitted to President

January 25, 2001 U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee declares school choice to be “Educational Emancipation”

March 19, 2003 Republican U.S. Representatives of Hispanic and Portuguese descent form Congressional Hispanic Conference

May 23, 2003 U.S. Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) introduces bill to establish National Museum of African American History and Culture

February 26, 2004 Hispanic Republican U.S. Rep. Henry Bonilla (R-TX) condemns racist comments by U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown (D-FL); she had called Asst. Secretary of State Roger Noriega and several Hispanic Congressmen “a bunch of white men…you all look alike to me”

I should also point out that The Klu Klux Klan was created by the democrats for the express reason of terrorizing blacks and republicans in the south to prevent them from voting, and that every known Klansman that were members of congress have been democrats.

FreeThinkerNYC on November 6, 2008 at 10:53 PM

fred5678 on November 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM

You can’t outpander the Democrats, so don’t try. If we give them amnesty, the Dems will offer them free personal massage therapists.

thecountofincognito on November 11, 2008 at 1:18 PM

The whole immigration thing is stupid. Let them come in. Don’t give them citizenship unless they follow all of the rules to get it. Amnesty is the wrong way to go about it, but we are stupid if we think we should bar Mexicans from coming here. I live in California now, and have never seen harder working people than the Mexicans in the area. I’m very glad to have them. They are natural conservatives. So are Blacks, actually.

Buford Gooch on November 11, 2008 at 1:19 PM

I actually agree with her position. Many conservative hispanics do.

latinchic on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

So do many conservative white people. It’s a damn shame so many other Hispanics were turned off conservatism and the GOP because of the heated and nasty rhetoric over the last few years. I can’t believe this rhetoric is flaring up again, but I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised since “amnesty” was mentioned in Allah’s post. You’d think people would have learned that they can’t convince people they’re right when they’re hostile. :shrugs:

@ThackerAgency: Too bad so many on our side call guest worker program ideas “amnesty,” misleading people who are less informed. I can’t imagine what they call ACTUAL amnesty. It’s exactly the tactic libs use – redefining words, like “progressive” and “choice.”

bamapachyderm on November 11, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Buford Gooch on November 11, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Ditto.

bamapachyderm on November 11, 2008 at 1:22 PM

You can’t outpander the Democrats, so don’t try.

It’s NOT ABOUT pandering. GAWD. And by the way, it really ISN’T “amnesty,” either, despite what the Chicken Littles say.

bamapachyderm on November 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM

The immigration debacle is classic knee-jerk b.s. behavior on the part of Republicans. What makes illegal immigrant labor “popular” is the fact that businesses can violate wage & hour laws, occupational safety laws, and payroll taxes and so forth with impunity. Those illegals then displace legal residents and U.S. citizens. It’s classic rent seeking. Employers get away with it because there are no good ways for employers to verify immigration status. The I-9 is ridiculous.

Bush’s idea was a good one. It sent the message to Hispanics that the GOP cares about them and values their work. It also would have dramatically reduced demand for immigrant labor by removing the rent seeking and weaseldom by employers. Yes, you can say “well, what if the government didn’t enforce the law?,” but the laws aren’t being enforced now and we’re overloaded with illegals…

Remember, we lost the black vote for 40 years (and still don’t have it back) because of Barry Goldwater’s principled, non-racist objection to the Civil Rights Acts. If we lose the Hispanic vote, we can kiss our days as a national party goodbye.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 1:00 PM

I think that the loss of the black vote had to do with Nixon’s Southern strategy more than Goldwater. Nixon only cared about himself and was smart enough to see the short term gain in stoking the South’s racial tensions and cynical enough to exploit it. Nixon’s strategy has really screwed the Republican party; we will never get a majority of African American voters again; the best we can hope for is about a quarter in certain local/ state races.

As for your post about immigration, I agree with you entirely. Bush’s strategy would have cut down on the real law-breakers, employers exploiting the system for cheap labor, while providing moderate Republicans and some Dems. with the carrots that they needed to vote for the bill. Wages for blue collar positions and the number of jobs available to American workers/ legal immigrants would have increased as it became less desirable for workers to hire illegals.

Illinidiva on November 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Ladies & Gents:

Re: Immigration. Allow me to clarify my remarks. I supported the guest worker program, which is what I thought Bush was pushing back in 2006. No citizenship path for people here illegally, at least not unless you stand at the back of the line for the visa and pay a fine.

The bottom line, though, is that the 12 million illegals aren’t all jobless and on welfare. There is demand for their labor. (I think a lot of it is based on rent-seeking because illegal immigrants can’t insist on compliance with labor laws, but that’s a didscussion for a different day). The fact that our immigration system is a catastrophe that can’t accommodate that demand is an embarrassment that, frankly, undermines the rule of law. Remember: people will only support the legitimacy of a law that seems fair and fairly enforced. Immigration laws generally fail that test.

To the extent McCain was trying to turn the guest worker program into a shamnesty bill, I completely oppose that. But rather than fight for a bill that made sense, we just said “aww, f— it” and condemned the entire effort. And that really turned Hispanic voters off.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM

kybowexar on November 11, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Palin/Lileks ‘36!

DrSteve on November 11, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Palin/Lileks ‘36!

YES! Perfect!

Gina on November 11, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Katie and Gibson could have had these type of interviews, but they decided not to find out who the VP was…they never asked about her policies and decisions in Alaska…and the rumors, as Palin says, so easy to investigate.
We truly have the laziest journalists…

right2bright on November 11, 2008 at 1:37 PM

To the extent McCain was trying to turn the guest worker program into a shamnesty bill, I completely oppose that. But rather than fight for a bill that made sense, we just said “aww, f— it” and condemned the entire effort. And that really turned Hispanic voters off.

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM

I think you captured it fairly well.
Hispanics do not have a problem, in fact supporting a strong consistent reasonable immigration bill.
It just has to be fair, presented and backed by fair minded people.
We were never given that bill, so most of us did say f-it…and in turn the Hispanics felt we were saying F them.

right2bright on November 11, 2008 at 1:40 PM

right2bright on November 11, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Not to mention saying F-you to the candidate, McCain, who co-sponsored the bill in the first place. Sounds a bit self-defeating to me.

thecountofincognito on November 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM

thecountofincognito on November 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I mean “they said” not “saying”

thecountofincognito on November 11, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Fine, legalize 12-20 million new Democrat voters. See how that works out for the GOP.

misterspork on November 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM

After all the Hispanering and promises to illegal alien invaders Capt. Amnesty received 31% of the vote. The Republicans need to focus on pro enforcement and regaining trust among the Conservatives in the Party and abandon the so called Hispanic vote, if they are Conservatives they will vote for enforcement just like the rest of us.

It’s a fact that Republican turn out this year was well below 2004 levels and McCain’s insane “maverick” across the isle open boarders policy’s may be the reason for the low turn out among the base. The Republican out of touch Elites that control the Party must be removed quickly from positions of power in the Party and replaced with common sense politicians that have not abandoned the traditional Conservative principals.

Bulldogger on November 11, 2008 at 1:50 PM

fred5678 on November 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Great.
I have posted several times on how the civil rights movement was really built upon Eisenhower and his brave stand. Here.
He integrated the armed services, and he integrated the schools…he understood, maybe because he saw the blood willingly shed, that the “colored” were an assest and not a liability.

Although President Truman issued Executive Order 9981 (1948) to desegregate the military services, his administration had limited success in realizing it. As a life-long soldier, Dwight Eisenhower knew intimately the reality of racial intolerance in the military. As president, he commanded compliance from subordinates and was able to overcome the deeply rooted racial institutions in the military establishment. By October 30, 1954, the last racially segregated unit in the armed forces had been abolished, and all federally controlled schools for military dependent children had been desegregated.

Now the dems think blacks are an asset, because of their votes, but still think of them as a liability.
If ever a monument to civil rights to be built, it should honor President Eisnehower. He had to battle JFK, and others, he was the first president to meet in the White House with a civil rights leader, the first to appoint a black to an executive position…so much did he do for the African American community, and they turn their backs on him.

right2bright on November 11, 2008 at 1:52 PM

This election was lost the moment that McCain was nominated. Sarah almost pulled it out for him but it was too long a reach. People trying to read significant cultural changes into this election are kidding themselves. The republicans got had (mostly their own fault) when they let the MSM pick the least electable republican candidate. If we still have a republic in four years Palin will be the next POTUS.

duff65 on November 11, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Sarah Palin mentioning Hispanic voters did not seem like she was promoting amnesty. This demographic went for the Republican ticket in the same numbers as in 2004. McCain didn’t even want to mention immigration, because the base would instantly panic. It needs to be dealt with fairly, and the Kennedy-McCain bill was a colossal failure and an act of betrayal for all parties concerned.

The Democrats engaged in a lot of fear-mongering, and they also promised lots of giveaways. Republicans need to stay on message, and I think Sarah Palin gets that. The Hispanic voters who went for the Republican ticket were likely voters who were small business owners, who were devout Catholics or who had lived in an actual socialist country before and like our democracy fine. There are likely more than 30% of these voters in Latino communities. We just didn’t effectively reach them.

Something does need done about our immigration system, and it is not the Obama healthcare or universal pre-K or blanket amnesty. There is bureaucratic fine-tuning that needs to happen at the federal level, and it won’t happen in a Democratic administration. I think this was Clinton’s strength with his experience as a governor first and eye for detail. Hillary had that also, but she lacks her husband’s temperament and political skills. Sarah Palin has this ability to “clean house.” Alaska is the only state showing growth in their economy, and it’s because the governor does her job efficiently.

chunderroad on November 11, 2008 at 1:56 PM

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