Video: Forces of tolerance confront Proposition 8 supporter
posted at 6:31 pm on November 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
Via Ace, bravely blogging through a case of the shivering douchechills. Reminds me of that old Onion piece, except with terrified senior citizens and styrofoam crosses being snatched and broken. Charges will, apparently, be filed.
I don’t know what these dudes are so upset about. Surely they don’t think the California Supreme Court’s going to let the public get away with this, do they? Click the image to watch.
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Interesting eyes you have Krydor. Just a hunch: you loathe Christians and religion, yes?
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Whoa…sorry, gotta get this in before I sign out…
MadCon, of all posters in this thread, I figured you better than that. It isn’t I who is making a general statement like that…Where did I ever say that?
I didn’t. I did not generalize like that. I only made specific observations.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Normally I wouldn’t make such an assumption, but if he considers holding up a religious symbol “escalation”, or “taunting and tormenting”, it’s a bit hard to think otherwise.
If so, I’d rather he admitted it so we could come to the point.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:00 PM
You’re lying again, or you’re just plain stupid. You stated that I suggested that “sexual activities” are “very much related” to gay marriage.
Here’s your quote, again …
I DID NOT say that. Again, I said “male-to-male” oral sex …
The comment I made was in response to your death wish against a person who was stating that homosexuality is not natural and in relation to a topic on homosexuality being a sin against God. If your warped and twisted logic somehow connects that to the marriage of a straight couple then have at it.
Are you unable to grasp the difference?
Maybe you really think people are this stupid?
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Furtunatly, the truth really is that the majority of gay people are not nearly as militant and political as the jackasses that stage these kind of things. I know a few and only one of them might ever be involved in something like that. I think the more a gay person feels pressure from within about his or her situation being sinful, the more likely they are to be militant about getting others to say it’s OK. The ones who really think it’s OK are mostly too busy living their own lives and not caring about what others think. That’s another 2 cents worth.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Spineless sissies.
Saltysam on November 11, 2008 at 11:03 PM
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Yes. The key word in there is “equal” . . . with no less and no more rights than anyone else. The way I see it marriage is neither a human right, nor a civil right, nor is it yours to redefine as you choose. Like it or not, the custom of marriage has Judeo-Christian underpinnings.
What you want – as its coming across anyway – is for the religious customs and free expression of 2.1+ billion people to be trampled on. That won’t solve anything.
Ryan Gandy on November 11, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Instead of treating the cross as her sign, since she had no other symbols of her position, you claimed it was meant to “taunt and torment”. You pegged her as an agitator based on her choice of symbol. It had no words, no arguments, merely the statement of her belief, a belief which is well known to be on one side of the issue.
If you find a religious symbol to be something that makes a person “taunting and tormenting”, and “looking for trouble”, I would question what you think of your own religious symbols? Would you hide them for fear of upsetting someone?
And remember, I’m an agnostic. I have no dog in this race.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:04 PM
I was referring to gay marriage and how permitting it would have a negative effect on our communites. And you answer me by saying people are free to partake in male-male-sodomy because smoking kills lives too. Everything went quiet and crickets could be heard in the background. … “Ahem anyway,” coughed apacalyps while trying to get rid of the awkward silence. Give your head a shake, buds. That kinda logic is not only dangerous, but stupid.
“Homosexuality is unhealthy, especially for men: 71 percent of male HIV cases in 2005 involved men who have sex with men, according to the CDC. And syphilis and other STDs continue to afflict men practicing homosexuality at rates astronomically disproportionate to the rest of society.”
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Gee, nothing about the fact that you outright lied about what I said.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:06 PM
No…I pegged her as an agitator based on her choice of venue.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Me too Madison, but that assumption was made due to several of his posts. He just seems to loathe Christians.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Yeah…city hall. Terrible venue for speech.
Saltysam on November 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Ah. So everyone who shows up to any location, expressing their opinion, where others hold an opposing opinion, is an agitator?
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Brilliant and exact.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM
First off, you lost when you resorted to expletives. It shows your lack of 1. intelligence and 2. better ammunition.
There is nothing you could tell me from the Bible that would constitute a contradiction. Taking the accounts of four persons and expecting them all to agree with perfections is ridiculous because the writers of the Gospels heard Jesus’ final words at various stages in his discourse.
But you go right ahead and post them if you’re so sure. There are more learned folks on here than I, but I doubt you’d pose much of a challenge, even for me.
AubieJon on November 11, 2008 at 11:11 PM
I will cede that to you simply because of the two hour lull.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Correct. And Like I keep saying, if they can get a majority of people to vote and say it is not sin, it will still be sin. It will just mean more people have participated in the sin in some degree.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Damn straight. Any sensible person would keep to Dunkin Donuts.
Well, unless someone who disagrees with them, of course. Just keep moving on till you stop tempting them into violence.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:13 PM
cripes I’ll be draggin’ tomorrow…
C’mon Mad…No, not anyone at any location…but waving a cross around in the midst of a gathering after an emotional vote decision was simply done in anger. The woman was using a cross as a tool of incitement, pure and simple.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM
You’re exactly right. The ones I’ve known, I’m not sure they could care less whether or not they were allowed to marry.
Ryan Gandy on November 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
You still can’t assault people because you don’t agree with them.
theotherKate on November 11, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Why not kill her?
Saltysam on November 11, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Most votes of significance are emotional. Are all citizens now supposed to avoid areas where people who disagree with them are, unless they’re in large groups?
If this was an emotional issue, then EVERY SIGN held up by the “No” voters were tools of incitement. A cross is a cross. How is she somehow inciting something while the rest of them are not?
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:17 PM
That, and you totally missed my point. I was not stating they were equal and I do not condone homosexuality, but you made the grand argument that homosexuality was dangerous to the community. So is smoking. So is obesity and bad driving habits. Just implying that you may want to put your debate parti behind a better argument.
And I don’t think you are dangerous or stupid.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 11:17 PM
LOL! Wow! You are sure quick to make jumps into fantasyland. You’ve been doing it all night. Please point out where you get this reading from me. Please point out, in the history of this blog, or the history of anything I’ve ever said or written, where you get your information about me having these views:
You’re quite funny.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 11:18 PM
I got to say this before I leave for the night. I can’t help but marvel at the outrage of the “man” who was yelling and screaming at the old lady and who was the one that took down her cross symbol. Politics or no politcs, protests or no protests, any group or individual who feels well represented by that crazed lunitic is not likly to do well in gettings their point to be accepted; no matter what the point might be. The lady may well have been a little feeble minded and not well advised to to there at that time in that setting and making her statement. But she was not dangerous. He was. Even the gays should see and appreciate that truth.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:20 PM
And I would argue that she was not. Who is right?
She was waving her cross much like the men were waving their Prop. 8 signs. Why is it that they are excused in their protest based upon their numbers?
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Why don’t you just admit that you don’t believe in free speech for some people? 6 pages later, you are still dancing around it. I say let both sides yell and shake their signs if they want, but no hitting. Saying that she “incited” and “asked for it” just means that you may not condone what they did, but you certainly don’t object.
theotherKate on November 11, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Gutless little worm, aren’t you? Scream and cry that I quote what you said, but go on to outright lie about what you said, and nary a word.
Grow a spine, and come on back.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Wonder what venue would have been OK not to be roughed by a few sissy men? Love how some try to justify a wrong. Is apparent he hates Christians.
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:23 PM
LOL! You really are a sick person. “Proposition 8 supporters” … are the same thing as “anti-gay marriage folks.”
Or do you not get that? This is just silly. It’s like arguing with a seven-year-old child.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Loosing the argument when you are reduced to attacking the person instead of the idea.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Strangely enough, the “seven-year old child” makes more sense than you do.
AubieJon on November 11, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Right. Sure thing. Grab your meds! Quick!
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 11:31 PM
This is a no brainer.
The spineless sissies were totally out of line. That’s what spineless sissies do. They bully when they feel that noone can hurt them.
Saltysam on November 11, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Speaking of the murders and rapists. As a gay Catholic this may be of interest to you:
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and MURDERERS, and WHOREMONGERS, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.” Revelation 21:8
You may also want to know the reason why God destroyed the world with a flood:
“And (God) spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of SODOM and GOMORRHA into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ENSAMPLE (EXAMPLE) unto those that AFTER SHOULD LIVE UNGODLY.” 2 Peter 2:5-6
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Really? Would you like to point out which part of the conversation doesn’t make sense to you, or is that just an off-the-cuff blind attempt at humor?
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Really.
So the only anti-gay marriage people are in California, and only care about that proposition. Not the ones in Connecticut, Massechusetts, Vermont, Wisconsin, or any of the number of states which had similar proposals.
Wow.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:35 PM
You are trying to use some individual choices to negate the behavior of a leftist mass. The main point is how supporting gay marriage contributes to leftist inspired destruction of American society. Leftists are never happy, a trait they must share with more than a few homosexuals. My question was not rhetorical. Since when will twisting the definition of marriage for everyone make gays feel happy and normal? What political force demands a change from everyone to (allegedly) satisfy a few malcontents? Why must we learn the hard way when history tells us otherwise? Unless this is a calculated plan for destruction that some well-meaning people buy into.
BTW, I take the blame for “it the gays who stand to lose the most.”
But, “Gay leftists be warmed”, well, that does it. I’m switching back to IE with ClearType. Not that I’m wishing for anyone to be cold.
Feedie on November 11, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Don’t you wonder though if their reaction to the cross might have been due to the demon that possessed they? I mean it was just a cross and it was only carried by a little old lady. Might it be that the demon reacted to that minor thing with such hostility because of what it really represented? Just sayin…
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:36 PM
You dropped something, “My jaw”. You can’t be serious.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 11:36 PM
You’re the “adult” who started calling someone names. I hardly feel obliged to explain anything to you.
AubieJon on November 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Jesus never called a gay person a sinner.
Jesus never called a gay person immoral.
Jesus never asked a gay person to change.
Jesus never condemned a single gay person.
Jesus never judged a single gay person.
Jesus never quoted scripture against a single gay person.
And yet, you throw scripture around as a tool of judgement.
Cheers.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Sorry, late to the *cough* party here but from the Onion link above, too good to miss:
LOLOL
And oh yeah. Those people destroying others’ property (not the mention the hate crime of trampling her cross; did she trample any of their signs–uhh no) belong in jail. And they deserve shunning for yelling at a soft spoken grandmother. Jerks.
inviolet on November 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM
May the LORD, the maker of heaven and earth, bless you.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Maybe.
But I doubt that any of those spineless sissies would have done the same thing had any of those bullies been alone at the time.
Saltysam on November 11, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Again, with retarded logic. There’s nothing about my statement that suggests that. Are you really that dishonest? Obviously so.
So, in your world, not all Proposition 8 supporters are “anti-gay marriage”, and not all “anti-gay marriage” people in Boston, Maine, or any other position on the planet would be “Proposition 8 supporters?”
So, a person must be eligible to vote in California to be considered a “Proposition 8 supporter?
Again … you’re really funny.
Hey! Where are those links? I must have missed that post.
Oh, that’s right. You had lied about seeing plenty of videos of “anti-gay marriage” supporters acting violently and in a threatening manner.
You’re right. “Wow.”
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Jesus never pushed an old lady around in the street
Jesus never demanded that the law be changed to meet his needs
Jesus never said that the Mosiac law no longer applied
Jesus never said men could vote on what was and was not sin.
As for condemnation, Jesus never even condemed the woman who was to be stoned for adultry. But he did tell her to go and sin no more.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Oh, come on. It’s like poking at a Chihuahua. They yip whether you do or not, so you might as well have some fun with the annoying little twit.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:44 PM
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Don’t pull that card.
Jesus never told people it was OK to sin either.
Ryan Gandy on November 11, 2008 at 11:47 PM
The old lady could have probably taken any two of them. Ya think?
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Really? Are you sure? Positive?
You must have missed MadisonConservative’s comment wishing someone would die in a car fire.
You must have missed her calling pretty much everyone who disagreed with her vile nasty names.
Right. I started it. Of course.
Other than calling her a “liar”, which I’ve clearly pointed out repeatedly throughout the thread, would you care to point to any other “names” that I’ve called her, or anyone else?
I’m pretty sure you have me confused with someone else.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Jesus never said being gay was a sin.
Peace.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Jesus never called a gay person a sinner.
Jesus never called a gay person immoral.
Jesus never asked a gay person to change.
Jesus never condemned a single gay person.
Jesus never judged a single gay person.
Jesus never quoted scripture against a single gay person.
And yet, you throw scripture around as a tool of judgement.
Ok, have you read the Bible? The real Bible? Not the ones that some make to suit themselves? In the eyes of God, it is wrong! God did throw scriptures to his followers……..
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Jetboy,
He might have.
John 21:25
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Actually, to be fair … I did call her a few other names such as “delusional.” But that’s in response to comments she made about things that were never said. I don’t think names like that are exactly what we’re talking about here, when we’re referring to someone who is calling people slime, vile, and other obnoxious names, while wishing them DEAD.
And I can assure you that I started nothing. All of my comments were in response to her name calling.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Well, that’s a stretch…
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Sure enough, but often times what happens in the UK first, comes over here next. Check it out. Britain is our canary in the coal mine, Madison. We watch with great interest. 1 CCTV camera for every 14 citizens in the UK
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 PM
The thing is that if you start basing your views of Jesus on what you think He did not say, there is the possibility that you can justify a great many thing that you would not want to see become accepted among people.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Jesus never spat in elderly women’s faces.
Saltysam on November 11, 2008 at 11:58 PM
First off, I’m a man, not a woman.
Secondly, wanting someone to die in a car fire isn’t calling them a name.
Thirdly, you continue to ignore the use of foul language to refer to people you appear to have a serious problem with.
Oh well, big surprise coming from a dude who lies about what others say, or at the very least doesn’t understand that not all anti-gay marriage activists (most, in fact) do not live in California and have nothing to do with Proposition 8.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Why yes, I have. Cover to cover. The “real” bible…the RSV.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Why yes, I have. Cover to cover. The “real” bible…the RSV.
Wow! So my KJV is what, a fake Bible? See how fast even you free thinkers can get self rightous?
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:01 AM
I base my views of Jesus on what He said and what He did.
Not on what He might have or have not said or did.
JetBoy on November 12, 2008 at 12:01 AM
I like your style.
apacalyps on November 12, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Words in my mouth.
But yes, the KJV is so error-ridden as to be moot.
JetBoy on November 12, 2008 at 12:02 AM
By the way, what exactly IS the RSV Bible?
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM
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“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End… Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who practices falsehood. I Jesushave sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches… (NIV Rev. 22: 13-16).
The “sexually immoral” describes all sexual sin, including homosexuality in I Cor. 6: 9 and Rom. 1: 26-27.
Look, if you want to practice your sin go ahead, nobody is trying to stop you. But, you really make yourself look silly trying to defend your homosexuality by use of biblical arguments. That dog won’t hunt, partner.
Joe Pyne on November 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM
You just did it a few minutes ago.
Saltysam on November 12, 2008 at 12:05 AM
OK. Let me put it another way. The extreme left is edging more and more toward open violence. Both sides are moving farther and farther apart. It is only a matter of time until a tragic incident or series thereof spark real riots and then…? Best prepare yourself for such an occurrence.
ronsfi on November 12, 2008 at 12:07 AM
But, what He did was come to accept upon Himself the sins of the world; not to redefine what all those sins were or were not. What he did was offer you a way out of sin, not a way in.
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Why yes, I have. Cover to cover. The “real” bible…the RSV.
Wow! So my KJV is what, a fake Bible? See how fast even you free thinkers can get self rightous?
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:01 AM
LOL I was wondering what he had said. Your Bible is fine.
Guess he didn’t see the parts where it states about homosexuals being a sin. Well not that way, am tired tonight. I am stunned on how one tries to Justify this.
sheebe on November 12, 2008 at 12:08 AM
––» click this.
apacalyps on November 12, 2008 at 12:08 AM
How do I put this gently, since I love your posts and have lots of respect for how well you put forth your ideas and for you, but it is true that, while Jesus never mentioned gayness specifically, He also warned about the dangers of sexually lustful thoughts, let alone deeds. For example, in Matthew 5:
Also, all due respect, being a Catholic (as I am too) you know that Jesus never said a word about abortion per se, yet we both know that’s wrong (I know you’re prolife too).
We also both know that the New Testament is a whole and you can’t just discount what Paul said just because Jesus wasn’t recorded using the exact same language. He was an apostle, and since you’re Catholic, your faith says that he was both inspired by the Holy Spirit in writing his letters that made it into the NT, and that he was accurately passing on religious teaching.
I hate that people seem to single gays out when there’s so much rampant sin of all sorts going on: greed, racism, hate, in addition to abortion, sexual sins, murder and violence etc. It doesn’t seem fair. But just as the man and woman having sex outside of marriage don’t think they’re doing anything wrong, they are, the act of homosexuality (NOT THE ORIENTATION, WHICH IS NOT A SIN) is a sin according to the BIble and the teaching of the Church.
I’m truly sorry you find that upsetting. But the sins I commit make me uncomfortable too when I hear they are wrong. That’s God calling me to come to Him and let His love help me overcome my sins.
This post is much longer than originally intended. But thank you for listening.
inviolet on November 12, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Opinion respected.
In any event, God alone will judge me when the time comes. And not anyone else.
JetBoy on November 12, 2008 at 12:11 AM
OK. Let me put it another way. The extreme left is edging more and more toward open violence. Both sides are moving farther and farther apart. It is only a matter of time until a tragic incident or series thereof spark real riots and then…? Best prepare yourself for such an occurrence.
ronsfi on November 12, 2008 at 12:07 AM
I am prepared. I have about had it with the sick Lefties. My tolerance is very low. There have been many incidents here where I live. Neighbors and friends are ready to kick tail. There are a lot of gays, who don’t act like this. They are just as scared. They don’t talk like this.
sheebe on November 12, 2008 at 12:12 AM
This thread is off topic. And I understand why.
There is absolutely no justification for the behavior of these spineless hordes to bully this woman.
It is a pitiful sight to see decent conservatives making excuses for those punks.
Saltysam on November 12, 2008 at 12:13 AM
CLICK HERE for good explanation of Catholic bibles. Needless to say, the KJV ain’t on the list.
JetBoy on November 12, 2008 at 12:14 AM
This thread is off topic. And I understand why.
There is absolutely no justification for the behavior of these spineless hordes to bully this woman.
It is a pitiful sight to see decent conservatives making excuses for those punks.
Saltysam on November 12, 2008 at 12:13 AM
I hear you. There is no justification of what they did to that Older Woman.
sheebe on November 12, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Thank God! That makes me feel much better about it. I was feeling guilty. Now I don’t.
LOL! Beautiful. You should be proud.
I didn’t use foul language, so I’m assuming you’re still stuck on the other person’s use of the word “man-to-man c***sucking” when describing what he considers an immoral and unnatural act. Get over it.
The rest of your comment was nothing more than another lie, so I’m not even going to respond. I’m done. Have a nice night. Maybe there will be a few more readers who will only read the last few comments and believe you when you claim I’m the one lying about what you said. Good luck wishing people dead in the future. That’s something that must give you great joy.
Gregor on November 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM
On that you and I agree. But you do seem to be very willing to judge others because they do not yeild to your view. Somehow you are a very angry person who comes across as not being terribly happy. Perhpas that is something inside of you more than outside.
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I guess that explains it. I’m not Catholic. But this is one of those issues where I think the Catholic Church has it right. I have said that I don’t think Catholics have it all right, but I don’t think they have it all wrong either.
You know something Jetboy, if you would try to have these same conversations without being so defensive and angry, you might get more of a two way conversation going on.
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:21 AM
That’s right. “Be ye kind one to another, tender-hearted,” to one another. The Bible teaches that. Why else do you think I’m here warning you that sodomy is a sin?
apacalyps on November 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM
He already has my friend:
He already has –
Joe Pyne on November 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Jetboy, I did click your link, and read some of the Bible information for the Catholic Church. But interstingly the very first paragraph of the page says that the RSV is not longer permissible for Catholic use. So why do you say that it is the only real Bible? That sounds conflicted to me.
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Says the guy who was just STUNNED by a ludicrous wish for death on someone else by an anonymous person on the internet.
You lied about what I said. I provided proof. Own up, douchebag.
MadisonConservative on November 12, 2008 at 12:26 AM
If I ever came across as “defensive” and “angry” here, it’s only because this issue is something I so strongly believe in.
JetBoy on November 12, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Jet Boy -
That is only the bad news, now let me give you the good:
Hebrews 10: 28
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of God.
Joe Pyne on November 12, 2008 at 12:30 AM
No, no…It’s not that the RSV isn’t permissible, it has more to do with the pronoun wordings for God. Read the “inclusive link” there. Of course, I have my NAB…but prefer the RSV for reading.
JetBoy on November 12, 2008 at 12:33 AM
That is obvious. But do you believe that somehow 2000 years of tradition of your own Church, thousands of years of teaching under the Jewish faith, and a culture of man/woman/child families that has proven to be a pretty effetive way to have humans live well, is all somehow wrong because some modern political activists say it is? What on Earth could make you so certain that you somehow know more about Jesus and Christinaity than all the history of all the Churches?
Do you believe this is not sin, or do you believe it is and you hate that it is because you don’t want it to be?
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Joe Pyne
I think you get it! Proud to have made this brief aquaintance.
MikeA on November 12, 2008 at 12:39 AM
I understand this, but I have similar issues that I feel strongly about, too. And no matter what, I refuse to let me feelings color my vision towards people’s right to disagree without assault or intimidation. There are plenty of extremists I’ve seen at rallies in my time. People with all kinds of inflammatory and controversial signs, stickers, and symbols.
However, this is the first time I’ve ever heard someone actually argue that the cross…not a cross with words on it, or pictures, or blood, or even a full crucifix…but just a cross, is referred to as a tool to “taunt” and “torment”…by an elderly woman.
Yet no acknowledgment is made of the inflammatory nature of the mob’s signs, or their behavior. I understand you “don’t condone” their behavior. However, why do you refuse to condemn it? Either you would have done the same or you wouldn’t.
Everyone, particularly at a public property, has the right to their opinion, and no one, no matter how passionate, has the right to deprieve them of their ability to express it.
MadisonConservative on November 12, 2008 at 12:40 AM
I don’t understand what you mean.
Watch this. The Way of the Master – How to Witness to Gays – Episode 20
apacalyps on November 12, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Inviolet,
Well said!
Back on point: I don’t think y’all understand the anger that the homosexual community has toward Christianity. Thus, carrying a cross into an’anti-8′ protest was either inciting the crowd or plain cluelessness.
Dillo on November 12, 2008 at 12:44 AM
This is for everybody here. You wanna make sure you’re truly saved and going to heaven? Watch this too: The Way of the Master – True and False Conversion – Episode 17
apacalyps on November 12, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Typical thugs at work. I bet the real tough dude that manhandled her is a Democrat, who seem to be OK with this kind of action.
DL13 on November 12, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Gays have been around for all that time, remember, and we’ve been a part of that culture. My belief is that I am the creation of God. As are all people. And God must have a reason for creating some of us gay. Lord knows I don’t know why…but who am I to question God?
JetBoy on November 12, 2008 at 12:45 AM
That pretty much sums up what I was going to say. Very well put, Madison. I would end the thread with that.
But, it’s not my thread.
Joe Pyne on November 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Stop blaming the victim for others’ behavior.
Another example.
Just because you agree with the thugs politically doesn’t mean your standards should change to excuse their thuggery and intimidation towards people who disagree with you. Stop blaming the victim.
MadisonConservative on November 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM
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