Video: Forces of tolerance confront Proposition 8 supporter
posted at 6:31 pm on November 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Ace, bravely blogging through a case of the shivering douchechills. Reminds me of that old Onion piece, except with terrified senior citizens and styrofoam crosses being snatched and broken. Charges will, apparently, be filed.
I don’t know what these dudes are so upset about. Surely they don’t think the California Supreme Court’s going to let the public get away with this, do they? Click the image to watch.
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Oh yes. An elderly woman carrying a cardboard cross is just like a bus full of lunatics carrying bright signs with “GOD HATES FAGS” and “THANK GOD FOR 9/11″.
…are you blind???
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:42 PM
You’re living in fantasy land. I’ve been around a loooong time, and I’ve lived in many places and cultures, and I can say with complete confidence that your comment is totally hallucinatory.
Are there individuals on the right who act in this manner? Of course. But we’re not talking about individuals, are we. This is how the left acts, as a matter of policy. They don’t get their way, they riot, they stomp their feet, they throw tantrums.
I would challenge you to show me the same behavior on the right, in any consistent pattern. If you truly believe what you say, then I would challenge you to put together a conservative version of Michelle Malkin’s “Liberals Gone Wild.”
I believe you’ll find it an impossible task, and if I’m wrong?
You might just become a rich woman. Good luck.
Can you link me up with several examples of Proposition 8 supporters calling for violence? I seriously doubt it. Stop making stuff up. If you can’t debate honestly, don’t debate at all.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 9:42 PM
You purport to know my Christian faith…and I’M deluded…
OK…
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:43 PM
“Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read.” Isaiah 34:16
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:43 PM
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I read it, and quoted it. You said that she asked for it. So now we’ve reached the point that someone is “asking for it” if they are in a public space expressing their views? She can hold up anything she wants and she should expect that she will not be assaulted. It should go both ways.
theotherKate on November 11, 2008 at 9:43 PM
There’s me defeated. He’s been around a looooong time. That wins any argument.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:45 PM
A battle in the culture war, for one. Perhaps their soul for another. If I believe homosexuality to be a sin, which I do; and if I set aside my belief for political expediency and condone something that I believe to be a sin, I am trading my soul for your desire. How can you ask me to do that?. You can be gay without me approving of it, so why is it so important that I approve of it?
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 9:45 PM
So the book tells me to read it. Creepy. No thanks.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:45 PM
So are you saying that marriage has no stabilizing effect on the sexual behavior of men and women?
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 9:45 PM
So Gays are crying about being taken to death camps if they don’t get special rights, yet……it’s OK to get violent when people don’t agree with them? Threatening a helpless elderly lady is real class.
They are doing more harm for their own distorted cause than good. Fascinating that the cross is such a threat to Gays. Maybe they need to start lining up for group exorcisms instead of group Gay sex? Just sayin’.
Hening on November 11, 2008 at 9:45 PM
MadCon, I certainly don’t believe anything compares to Westboro and the Phelps gang…they’re in a league of their own.
It isn’t so much that it’s an innocent elderly woman simply carrying a homemade cross. It’s the context of where and how she’s using that cross. It’s not like she was just walking down the street and was attacked out of the blue.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:46 PM
I don’t think there’s any way to know what she thought she was doing. I really doubt any sane person would go alone into a mob to taunt them.
The thing is, she’s just an old lady. Looks pretty harmless to me. How hard would it have been for them to go around her, ignore her? C’mon.
sloopy on November 11, 2008 at 9:48 PM
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:46 PM
You are still excusing the attack based on what she believes bacause she doesn’t agree with you. You still don’t admit that she had as much right to protest WITHOUT being attacked as the men out there had.
theotherKate on November 11, 2008 at 9:48 PM
In MadisonConservative’s world …
Using the word c@ck in a sentence describing a sexual act makes a person a “disgusting, loathsome, hateful hypocrite.”
Meanwhile …
Wishing a person to die in a car fire somehow puts a person on “moral high ground.”
How’s that for irony?
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Did you mean your Muslim faith?
El_Terrible on November 11, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I’m not asking you to approve anything. Believe whatever you want. But don’t take your beliefs and thrust them on me…just like you don’t want me to enforce my beliefs on you. Let me marry another, if I so choose to.
I’m not asking for you to give up anything other than your denial of my equality.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Oh yes. An elderly woman carrying a cardboard cross is just like a bus full of lunatics carrying bright signs with “GOD HATES FAGS” and “THANK GOD FOR 9/11″.
…are you blind???
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Nope, she knew exactly what she was doing. She escalated the situation. She wanted the spotlight.
Krydor on November 11, 2008 at 9:51 PM
You don’t even know she’s an old lady. Heck, that’s California. She might be an olg guy in drag try to find a date in that crowd.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Uhh, then why was this put on the ballot? If you have to ask me to vote on something, you are asking me to approve it.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 9:54 PM
It’s not the government’s place to save souls. It’s not the governments place to define culture. This is what it means to be free.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Winner!
macblanegirl on November 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM
She had as much right to be there as the peaceful gay protesters. There was no reason to mugger her. It’s strange they think it’s okay to deny on old woman her equal rights in pursuit of their own.
Kjeil on November 11, 2008 at 9:57 PM
And we see their true colors shinin’ through…. And we see their true colors shinin’ through…. And thats why we fear them. So be very afraid to let them show; Their true colors. Their true colors. Not beautiful.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Again, I repeat. Reverse the positions of the parties in question. You would not make the same observation. Period. It would be pure outrage from you and JetBoy. I’d expect you to recognize that and quit with the double standard.
I didn’t know expression of one’s views indicated that one is looking for confrontation. We should make that clear in the constitution, then:
Come on. As I said, you know you would be outraged if the tables were turned.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Don’t give up your day job.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Again, if that’s so, why ask the question on a government ballot? And how far are you prepared to see that concept go? I know a guy that would like to marry his St. Bernard. That’s probably mostly so it could get survivors benefits through Social Security, but I think he really loves that dog. You OK with that?
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 9:59 PM
If the word c*ck offends you that much, you need to get a life. That’s the only word he used in the comment you were responding to that could be considered remotely offensive, and most of us use that word every day in our private sexual lives. Grow up. You wish a person dead because he used what you consider a bad word? Very sad and extremely embarrassing for you that you are lecturing people for being offended by homosexuality, while wishing people horrifying deaths.
Very creepy.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Oh, pah-leeze. Are you saying before God and everybody here that the Holy Bible doesn’t teach that sodomy is a sin?
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 10:00 PM
No sir, I am saying that men are sexual creatures and are very prone to seek out other partners. This is psychology.
Women cheat too, but not in the same frequency as men.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:03 PM
After all the time I have been a member of this community, that is the stupidest thing I have ever read on this site.
Hening on November 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Good question. That’s why I view this as a leftist issue more than as a gay issue. Leftists have various ways of exploiting people to bring about the disintegration of non-leftist societies. Many gays are convinced that marriage will somehow make them happy and normal. Since when? To leftists, this issue is another means of sowing rancor and dissension. If this is achieved, more rancor over some other imagined wrong will take its place.
There is nothing more disingenuous than the argument of “well, I don’t personally support lawsuits against churches and the Boy Scouts” when they damn well know that’s what will happen, or are so blinded by selfishness or feel-goodism that they convince themselves that they bear no responsibility for predictable consequences. I speak of all kinds of leftists — homo, hetero, or the consciously destructive.
And some of the Christian wishful thinkers are bound to be disappointed as science progresses. Pre-natal factors have an influence over tendencies in personality. The post-natal problem becomes a question of how constructively or destructively those affected deal with their differences. A demand to redefine the definition of marriage does not bode well for tolerance of homosexuals in the long run. If leftists succeed in overthrowing American society, it the gays who stand to lose the most. Western Civilization is under siege because of amoral leftism and weakened faith. We doubt everything. EE-slom has no such uncertainty.
Gay leftists be warmed. Your agenda has been repudiated twice in California. Knock it off and start appreciating the most tolerant society in the world before your selfishness helps get us all killed.
Feedie on November 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM
So talking about “c*** suckers” is no problem for you, but gay marriage is positively stomach-churning.
Says a lot.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Prbably using the NCAI Edition. That’s the New California Adjusted Interpretation. Things just sound different when you are that far to the left of Kansas.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I know what the Bible teaches…
“And be ye kind one to another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.”
Ephesians 4:32
Or, in your case…
“Then said Jesus, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do …”
Luke 23:34
…which I shall do. I forgive.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Oooh! Impressive. Intelectual dishonesty at it’s worst. Copy and paste a tiny portion of the comment and then claim that the argument was something it wasn’t.
How’s that book coming along? Got those links yet?
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Please explain how you came to this conclusion?
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I wonder if the presidential candidate most supported by Gays will be influenced by his buds like Farrakhan or his Islamic brotherhood pals? They hang or stone Gays. Christians simply tell them to repent. You didn’t choose wisely.
Hening on November 11, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Again, I repeat. Reverse the positions of the parties in question. You would not make the same observation. Period. It would be pure outrage from you and JetBoy. I’d expect you to recognize that and quit with the double standard.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Wait, I’m supposed to sympathetic to people who do stupid things? She made an error in judgement. Who knew that acting like a jackass in front of a bunch of people with their emotions already tweaked might cause trouble?
She wasn’t physically assaulted, as far as I can tell.
Krydor on November 11, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Yup, that’s what you are.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Again with the intellectual dishonesty.
He was talking about male on male “c*** suckers” and I’m sure you’re aware it’s very much related to the topic of “gay marriage.”
You’re getting worse.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Yelling and screaming at the top of your lungs while carrying symbols in favor of your political position? Protected speech and assembly.
Carrying a symbol indicating an opposing view? Why, that’s acting like a jackass and asking for trouble.
Puzzles the mind.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Carbon,
I work blocks from where this happened. When I read in the local paper that the woman went into the fray carrying a big ole cross I came to the same conclusion Krydor did. Seems like she was trying to make a hateful statement–stomping on the meaning of the cross way before the crowd ever did….
Dillo on November 11, 2008 at 10:16 PM
I have a gay son. He is 35. I love him. But, so many people here in my town voted No. They did it so they wouldn’t be harassed by the gays. What a crock. I voted YES! How dare them try to change a law that has been solid. Then along comes a creepy Mayor of San Fran. He spews his hate and poison. It was the minority vote that they lost. Why don’t they have the guts to go to Watts or Oakland? They are the ones that made it turn the other way. But no, they have to go to churches, knock an old lady over. What nice people. Now, there are a lot of people getting angry at the gays. All the hate and backlash that the gays had to endure for years. Will come back and hit them in their arses. They seem to be a bunch of animals. They can’t have their cake and eat it too.
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 10:16 PM
I voted for McCain. This isn’t a “leftist” issue…it’s simply an equality issue. That’s all.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Ooooooh! A typo. You might want to check out the post made at exactly the same time you wrote that. Heh. Is that all you’ve got?
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Church, you should look into it.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:18 PM
So isn’t the matter of a straight couple who has oral sex, anal sex, practices BDSM, orgies, cuckolding, watersports, etc…those are all related to straight marriage?
Come on, now. Let’s see the double standard.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:18 PM
A wonderful mom.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:19 PM
This message is for my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I believe homosexuality is morally wrong. I believe God forbids it. That said, it is important for us Christians to remember not to isolate homsexuality as this particular wicked sin and then use it as an excuse to be condescending toward another person. Treating someone who’s gay almost as though they’re some sort of leper. We must remember that ALL sexual sin is offensive to God. Homosexual or heterosexual sin. Whether it is adultery, sexual promiscuity, fornication, sex outside of marriage, or even lust, which Jesus said is “adultery of the heart” and is sinful in God’s sight (Matthew 5:28). Homosexuality is one particular branch on the deep rooted tree of the sinful nature. It’s just one way that the sinful nature shows up in their life. Thank you.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 10:19 PM
So you think it is OK to attack people who do stupid things? That can swing both ways. Oops. That might not be the best phrase in this conversation. Anyway, Do you think it is OK to try to psyically stop people from doing things you don’t agree with? I thought this whole issue was because people on your side want to be allowed to do something others find to be stupid.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I wonder if the presidential candidate most supported by Gays will be influenced by his buds like Farrakhan or his Islamic brotherhood pals? They hang or stone Gays. Christians simply tell them to repent. You didn’t choose wisely.
Hening on November 11, 2008 at 10:12 PM
That they do! Is a true fact. The One just used them for their stupidity. Anything for a dream, change and hope. And now they lost. They need to get over it.
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Misspelling “intellectual” is comedy gold. Much like your dismissal of anyone’s experience that is different than your own.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:20 PM
A wonderful mom.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:19 PM
My son voted yes also. He feels the same way. Now they are causing a lot of back lash and hate.
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 10:21 PM
You forget, they don’t condone it. They just don’t condemn it.
In other words, they would do the exact same thing to her that the others did, but they’re too chicken too admit it. Either that, or they’re letting the fact that these criminals and thugs agree with them blind them to their behavior.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Uhhh … you’ve gone mad. What the Hell are you talking about? Did someone here suggest that BDSM and orgies are perfectly okay? I think not. Are you smoking pot right now?
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:23 PM
You could say that marriage saves men, most of all, from themselves. There’s a couple issues that I think we’ve strayed from in our short discussion -
1 – Is gay marriage good for gay people? Unequivocally, yes. It would have a transformative effect on gay culture. To support this contention, I ask that you look at the good marriage has done for heterosexuals. (I’ll pass on the obvious jokes).
2 – Does gay marriage harm anybody? Other than offending people’s sense of tradition, no. But they’ll get over it.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Genetic? No. Not according to science and the Bible. There is no such thing as a homosexual. There are people with homosexual desires.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Gay’s have the same rights as anyone else in this country, and I would fight for all of them to keep them. Same sex marriage on the other hand is not a ‘right’ or an example of equality. The attempt to redefine marriage is the issue, not Gay adults living together.
Hening on November 11, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Yelling and screaming at the top of your lungs while carrying symbols in favor of your political position? Protected speech and assembly.
Carrying a symbol indicating an opposing view? Why, that’s acting like a jackass and asking for trouble.
Puzzles the mind.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Yes, it boggles the mind that some old lady would want to be a martyr for her pet cause. Why, such things never happen.
Here’s a flawed analogy: go to a Holocaust Memorial waving a Nazi banner. Why, it’s just you exercising your right to free speech! No, it’s you being a jackass. Just as this is her being a jackass.
Krydor on November 11, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Indeed, and we are ALL sinners. I am definitely not free from sin. I drink too much. I lust after women. I fail more than I succeed. I don’t condone homosexual behavior but then again, I am sure they would not condone my lifestyle. The truest tenet of Christian behavior is to love your fellow man. Gay or straight, I strive to do this. People should be free to live the lives they are yearning to live as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. I am against same-sex marriage just like I am against a man taking ten wives. Marriage is not a flawless institution in our country–obviously. It should, though,, be the pinnacle of commitment and those who enter it, should respect it. I have not been married and I admire those who are. It takes discipline, faith and unbridled effort.
All being said, I do understand the frustration that our gay fellow humans endure when they want to be accepted in all aspects of our culture.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:27 PM
It wasn’t a “misspelling”, as is obvious in the second post that I made at exactly the same time as your own at 10:14 PM, when you used that to defend your own argument somehow. It was a typo. But, you know that already.
Is that really all you have in response? Pathetic.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Ah. Implication of drug use and mental disability. Cute.
You just said that sexual activities are “very much related” to gay marriage. By that token, straight couples who engage in anything other than vaginal intercourse should not, according to you, be able to marry.
But news flash: The vast majority of straight couples dabble in the same sort of intercourse gay couples dabble in. In other words, most marriages have at least one “c*** sucker”. Doesn’t seem to annoy you that much, or you’d be calling for less marriage altogether.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Indeed. Very flawed.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:29 PM
That is a comment that a believer will not make.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Look, I don’t personally care if you are gay, or even if you want to jump off a bridge. I don’t care very deeply if you want to call what you do a civil union or marriage. But I will never, ever give it my blessing and I will never ever tell you that it is not sin. So go do your thing and call it what you like. But each and every time you feel the need to come back and ask again if I will say it’s OK, you will get the same answer. No, it is not OK.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 10:30 PM
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Bless you. My son is my world. But, I can only be there for him. I don’t judge him, as he doesn’t judge me. There are a lot of gays that didn’t want gay marriage. Respect is important to some. They don’t want to be hated. But seems there are more that don’t care what they throw upon others. There is only one judge.
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Great points. Thank you.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:30 PM
And I’m still waiting on those links. You stated that there were threats of violence from Proposition 8 supporters and all I did was ask you to prove it. Instead, all you’ve done since is deflect by pointing out a typo.
Why don’t you just admit you were wrong and move on? It’s really not that hard.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Again, you’re comparing a woman with a f’ing cardboard cross to some extremist group. First it was the Westboro Baptist Dipsticks, and now a Nazi?
The fact that you keep referring to this woman, who had NOTHING but a damned cross, to extremists, shows you are totally unobjective. You dismiss any idea that, heaven forbid, she went down there to simply express her opinion. People do it every day and they don’t get attacked.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Somehow I always end up on both sides of these things.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Prop 8 didn’t deny anyone the right to marry. It only denied the right to assert that something which is not marriage is marriage. A victory for truth.
And speaking of truth, is anyone else sick to death of the mixed-race marriage analogy? A marriage between a white man and a black woman is still a marriage between a man and a woman. Race is superfluous, but gender is essential.
This idea that a right was taken away? Someone tell me where, anywhere in history, was there a society that had homosexual marriage? Even ancient Greece where homosexuality was rampant, accepted and expected didn’t marry men. Why? Because marriage requires partners of the opposite sex. Anything else is not marriage. Period.
ktrush on November 11, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Where?
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Apparently it is too difficult to understand separation between church and state.
RDE2010 on November 11, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I do as well but I think that is a good thing.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Gays can marry. Argument over.
spmat on November 11, 2008 at 10:34 PM
I assure you, you have my full support when it comes to keeping people from marrying their dogs. I don’t get why it’s so hard to understand that I can think it’s okay for two men or two women to get married, but it’s not okay for people to marry their dog. I can’t believe gay marriage opponents even use that argument with a straight face. Slippery slope: it’s not an argument, it’s a logical fallacy.
Why was it on the ballot? Great question. We should live in a perfectly free society where everybody acts and votes in the best interests of liberty. But we don’t. Our kids will repeal the amendment within 20 years and we’ll try to pretend it never happened. Democracy is messy.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Actually, that’s a lie. I said no such thing. I said that the comment by the other poster about “male-on-male c**ksucking”, which you felt was worthy of a call for his death, was very much related to the homosexual marriage topic.
We happen to be having a discussion about why we find homosexuality offensive and whether or not it’s right to ban homosexual marriages. I believe it makes perfect sense to be able to point out that “male-on-male” oral sex might make a person want to vomit.
Why are you lying now? You’re really reaching bottom now.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:36 PM
New here, but,
Carbon—They are not trying to “be accepted into all aspects of our culture” they are trying to re-define and assert their reality onto our culture. Way different.
Why is it that folks accent that Christianity is love, but minimize all the other standards?
Dillo on November 11, 2008 at 10:37 PM
How about three men; or two men and a woman? Why should marriage be limited to the number two. Why not close relatives? Should there be ANY limits?
And gets more so as more people look to it to resolve all their problems.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 10:38 PM
You appear to have a reading comprehension problem, because that’s what I accused you of saying. Hence my proposal.
…and you appear to see it as relevant to whether or not gays should be allowed to marry. If two straight people practice BDSM, and it makes me vomit, are they now denied marriage?
Come on, boy. Take the bait.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM
The fact that you keep referring to this woman, who had NOTHING but a damned cross, to extremists, shows you are totally unobjective. You dismiss any idea that, heaven forbid, she went down there to simply express her opinion. People do it every day and they don’t get attacked.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Yes, fine, you win. She was busily minding her own business, voicing her opinion with nary a though that things could get ugly. And why would they get ugly? After all, nothing of import happened in the past two weeks that could get the gay community worked up.
Krydor on November 11, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Me:
You:
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Yes. Two consenting adults.
You mean like when people pointlessly amend the constitution ?
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM
By the way, why is it that puritanical types like you always want sex behind closed doors, want sex off television and media, and don’t want it talked about…until you talk about gays, and then suddenly you’re very descriptive with your language?
There is the old chestnut about repression…
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:43 PM
MadisonConservative wrote on November 11, 2008 at 9:00 PM, “(JetBoy) Now you’re assuming an elderly woman with a cross to be a militant anti-gay activist by claiming her to be “taunting and tormenting”. Give me a break!”
Apacalyps says, “Do I need to add anything? Answer: No.”
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Apt choice of words, ugly. I watched the clip and I’d say things were more than a little ugly before she got there. In fact some of the things were damned ugly.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 10:44 PM
If I could scan my newspaper I could how that there have been violence on Prop 8. There were churches vandalized. There were hundreds in the Street on Friday and yesterday. I am a courier and they held me up from getting to my stops on time. If I could have ran them over, I might have. They are not solving a thing by acting like this. There are nuts that might get so mad. They just might start shooting them. They need to quit acting like crazy people. There is online news also. They are going to keep it up. And sadly there will be someone that just won’t take it anymore.
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Fine then, you win. If anyone wants to voice an opinion, they should stay far away from those who disagree, on the chance that they might steal your property, destroy it, shout you down and intimidate you.
Now, I thought that was criminal activity, but obviously it’s just something we should learn to avoid. Just keep your mouth shut and all will be fine. Hell, Obama’s supporters should flourish once we accept that mindset.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I think you can cut the faux outrage about me “lying” about what you said, now that you have flat out done so.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Those people were raising all types of hell before that older lady went out side with a cross. But she is accused of showing hate? Sounds like the sheep who voted for That One! Again, can’t have your cake and eat it too. I don’t blame her for having the courage to go out there and carry her cross. Free Country! For now.
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM
The Declaration of Independence states that “all men are created equal”…
Apparently, some disagree.
G’nite all.
God bless, and gay marriage will become a reality, like it or not.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I support you JetBoy.
Here are my two cents. The agitators in this video both left and right are wrong. The lady with cross, just wanted to provoke the libs into fighting. The libs in their oh so tolerate ways destroyed her cross with no justification. Oh btw this would never happen if it were a symbol The Religion of Peace. I understand this is a touchy subject but I believe the government should stay out of people private lives.
Agree with or not thats okay.
Okay, off to bed.
Lance Murdock on November 11, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Welcome Dillo.
I must reassert that I am against same sex marriage. I was merely pointing out that I understand their frustration. I don’t believe that grants them marriage though. Just some understanding.
As to your second question, I believe that love is Jesus’ prominent tenet. Love one another. That trumps all in my beliefs.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 10:50 PM
And we continue to agree on this point. Just sad that you assume those who disagree to be agitators, rabble-rousers, and troublemakers, rather than people with an opposing viewpoint who are expressing it.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:51 PM
The Declaration of Independence states that “all men are created equal”…
Apparently, some disagree.
G’nite all.
God bless, and gay marriage will become a reality, like it or not.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Be a cold Day in Hell before that happens!
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 10:51 PM
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Or, you know, one could always pick the right time and place to have a battle. If I were still opposed to gay marriage, I wouldn’t have headed down to where the angriest gays were to make my point.
It is my opinion that she did what she did expecting the reaction she got. You saw her escalate the situation as well as I did. Mobs are an interesting beast.
Krydor on November 11, 2008 at 10:52 PM
And then we will just hear how intolerant non-gays are. We won’t even let them vandalise our churchs when they don’t get their way, and we won’t let them push around old ladies. Next they’ll want an amendment that protects their right to push old ladies around because, well because it’s their right, damn it. The 9th Circus Court will probably find that right in the Constitution too.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Escalate? By holding up a sign? Oooo that’s real escalation. Much more than anything they were doing.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 10:53 PM
They call it excalation if someone does not yeild to them.
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 10:55 PM
MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 10:52 PM
You are right on that.
sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 10:56 PM
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