Video: Forces of tolerance confront Proposition 8 supporter
posted at 6:31 pm on November 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Ace, bravely blogging through a case of the shivering douchechills. Reminds me of that old Onion piece, except with terrified senior citizens and styrofoam crosses being snatched and broken. Charges will, apparently, be filed.
I don’t know what these dudes are so upset about. Surely they don’t think the California Supreme Court’s going to let the public get away with this, do they? Click the image to watch.
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Let’s try this again…
MadCon…
I crossed no line…remember, I DO NOT CONDONE TEARING A CROSS OUT LIKE THAT. Now, keep that in mind as I explain…
This woman did this amidst the jackals. Tell me honestly…was she only “spreading the word of Christ”? Or was she looking to taunt and torment the crowd with the sign of our Lord?
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Short answer: sometimes, and somewhat. The relevant fact is that sexual orientation is immutable. Gays don’t choose to be attracted to the same sex any more than straights choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. That’s why this debate over gay marriage is so stupid.
Gays love gays, they can’t be any other way, it doesn’t hurt anybody if they get married…
so let them get married.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Thank you, and I agree.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Richard Romano said:
“You have to laugh at the anchor’s retort, ‘There’s a lot of anger on both sides’”
Exactly! Its as if those news reporters were going out of their way not to single out the violent actions of the homos that were caught on their own video camera!
Did that old woman do anything angry or violent? Didn’t appear to be to me!
There was a PROP 8 supporter that knocked a fag on his ass the other day because the fag ripped his YES ON PROP 8 sign off the back of the guy’s truck. At least he was defending his truck and his property when he knocked the wimpy gay guy on his back.
I took some images of that event and made this nifty animated GIF from it.
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7056/faggetsrockedua3.gif
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Surprisingly, not one of these morally righteous Christian hand-to-hand combat specialists for Jesus and justice was in attendance.
Only dozens upon dozens of crazed mob thugs.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I’m pissed that they got in it in the first place. Only a big government liberal would think that the state has the right to even issue something like a marriage license. That’s between my Priest, my wife, and myself. Get your grubby nanny state hands out of it.
Your metaphor works great for proving my point. The media spun that single punk into a representation of all Palin supporters. He clearly wasn’t. Just like these punks that happen to be gay aren’t representative of all people that happen to be gay. It seems that some of the folks in this thread aren’t much better than the MSM. Oooh, burn.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Question: Where was this demonstration? Was it in front of a church?
By the way, Madison, Christoph, after lurking all day, I can now say I’ve seen it all. You guys agreed.
It’s the big one, Elizabeth! I’m coming, Honey!
kingsjester on November 11, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Changing the definition of marriage devalues it. What would the Kentucky Derby be if anyone could saddle up a pig and ride in it?
ktrush on November 11, 2008 at 8:48 PM
My Sister works at the Health Dept in Washington state. There is a transsexual working there that dresses in women’s attire. He has not had surgery to change his gender. She complained that he was using the women’s restroom & she was uncomfortable with that. She was told that she was not being tolerant or mainstream in her Gender Awareness. Have we lost all rationality? At what point do we stop giving up our values & say enough?
Conservalicious on November 11, 2008 at 8:48 PM
She was looking for controversy. Looking for a reaction. She didn’t deserve what happened to her (and, just to be really clear, I’ve said these guys were complete jackasses), but she was egging them on.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Jet Boy:
A bunch of gay protestors with pink bandanas invaded a church in Lansing, MI today, setting off the fire alarm, shouting “Jesus was a homo!” The name of the group? “Bash Back.”
So, Jet Boy, what were those protestors “asking for?”
BTW, none of the gays were harmed.
L.N. Smithee on November 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Oh yes. Egging them on. Like these people need anything other than a camera to be egged on.
pistolero on November 11, 2008 at 8:51 PM
..just got a tingle up my leg….
Red State State of Mind on November 11, 2008 at 8:52 PM
I’m sure there were plenty of straight people that committed crimes today. Does that mean all straight people committed crimes today? No.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:52 PM
I’ll give you that. This group did seem to be full of media whores (old woman included).
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:53 PM
carbon_footprint claimed:
“People like this do not add anything to the debate and lack any discipline to refrain from hateful words. There is no reason for that. The argument can be won without the epithets.”
I am simply pointing out the facts in their rawest terms carbon.
Gay guys claim that they must suck other guy’s cocks because of their genes, or as some of them put it if they are religious or just mocking God “because God made me that way”.
And I give a link to a website that has LOADS OF STUDIES and other info that deals specificly with the topic of whether or not homos are “born that way” or not.
And guess what!? IT ALL POINTS TO THE ANSWER BEING A RESOUNDING NO!
FYI – Has anyone heard of Anne Heche? Anyone remember her?
She dated Ellen Degeneres for a while and they even went on shows to talk about their relationship.
Then she left Ellen and dated a guy she met on a set of a movie she was doing and then married him and had at least one child together with him (his name is Lafoon if I recall right).
So, any of you who claim that homos and fomos are “born that way” and “just can’t help” wanting to have sex with the same sex keep on acting as if Anne Heche doesn’t exist. She does.
And there are a good number of formerly gay men who are now married to women and are raising a family. But, you’ll probably ignore that fact too just so you can blindly claim that “gays can’t help wanting to bang the same sex”.
By the way, have you noticed that the claims of gays are almost indecipherable from the claims of groups like NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association)?
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 8:53 PM
The logic comes full circle.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Die in a car fire, you vile creep.
Where we appear to be in disagreement is whether what appeared to be an eighty-something year old woman went to that rally to do anything other than to express her opinion. You say it was “looking for a reaction”. I say it was looking to offer the opposing view. Were it a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, that would be a whole other story.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Did that anchor really say “a lot of hate, on both sides“?
Wow.
capitalist piglet on November 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I responded to your comment by providing many instances of proof for you, but I believe Allah (or the filter) didn’t allow the comment because of the profanity included in some of the quotes I posted (not mine). They were made by some of the gay rights crowd, while issuing death threats, and calls for other acts of violence.
I’ll link to some of those that I posted, here, here, and here.
You were wrong. Hate to break it to you.
If the previous post ends up showing up after I post this … I apologize.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I just don’t see that. Would that be like the transvestites in SF that went into the Catholic church dressed outrageously? Tolerance is not something to by toyed with.
Perhaps the woman believes in her heart that her faith requires her to witness to sinners and she had 100% good intentions in her heart. How did the assault on her help this?
Did the people in the Catholic church in SF rise up against the transvestites who were ‘egging them on’? No, of course not.
We are judged by our actions.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM
This is an experiment in incrementalism that didn’t go correctly. First we’re supposed to ACCEPT homosexuality. Then we’re supposed to EMBRACE homosexuality. I guess the next step was for us to PARTICIPATE AGAINST OUR WILL.
I could just slap these silly savages.
pistolero on November 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM
malan89:
The “Kill him” shout didn’t even happen, according to the Secret Service and every attendee interviewed except the “journalist” who “witnessed” it. Try to keep up.
Nonsense. The MSM make up stuff and lie about it. You just saw the truth, and refuse to acknowledge it.
L.N. Smithee on November 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Some felt that way with interracial marriage. Some with no-fault divorce. Some by celebrity revolving door marriages. I’ve found marriage to be a job (vocation might sound better) that you have to work at constantly–especially with kids. My wife’s quality of life is dependent on the type of husband I am, and it is not diminished or enhanced by what a neighboring couple does in their marriage. If gays got married it wouldn’t affect my life, though I’m sure their house would be decorated better than mine.
dedalus on November 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM
RightOFLeft claimed:
Ummmm, not even close to being true. Remember Anne Heche!? Dated Ellen for a long time then left her for a guy she married and had children with. Did you forget that happened?
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 8:56 PM
How Fascism starts…you shout down those whose you disagree with.
The people in California have spoken, let’s move on.
nazo311 on November 11, 2008 at 8:56 PM
*facepalm*
Those protesters who do that are a-holes. I don’t believe I’ve said anything that condones that behavior. Again, this is simply a minority faction. They do more to harm gay rights than help.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:56 PM
We really can’t find out either way based on this clip. I don’t want to judge her just because she’s old.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:57 PM
They think they can push people around and no one will push back.
Christien on November 11, 2008 at 8:57 PM
TheMightyQuinn,
Thanks for the link, and it helps me with my hypothesis: biologically, the success of our species and our reason for being is procreation: male & female reproduction.
If homosexuality is not a genetic/inherited behavior (for lack of an easy descriptor), then it is a learned behavior, correct?
If children, who are not genetically predisposed to homosexuality, are told to read ‘The King and The King’ and conditioned at an early age to believe that boys kissing boys is okay, in fact encouraged to do so for diversity’s sake, then their behavior is being modified to accept and possibly ‘become’ homosexual. Why confuse them?
I would submit that a ‘yes on 8′ vote is as much a reaction to protect children from behavior modification and manipulation as it is a vote against the perceived right of one man to marry another man. Want to play hide the salami with your boyfriend, fine, do it in the confines of your home. Want to adopt a kid and raise it, fine, but don’t expect his/her teachers to IMPOSE sexual diversity on your child’s classmates. (When did we do sex educ. in school, 9th grade? Why would grade-schoolers be learning about boy/boy sex when they don’t even understand why there’s a him & her yet?) Want the same rights I have as a man married to a woman in the eyes of the government and courts? Well…yeah…you can have them for a couple thousand bucks in attorney’s fees, and that’s unfortunate that you have to pay for rights granted by a marriage license. But they’re not UNavailable to you. I’d love a freakin’ Ferrari but I can’t afford one…don’t see me rioting on the streets!
If my unborn child walks in someday and says ‘dad, I like boys’, well, that will be a real bummer to hear but I’ll still love my child. However, the absolute LAST thing I want to vote any support for is a law that says it’s okay for my child’s teachers, peers, and role models to imply/suggest/teach my child that it’s okay to play hide the GI Joe doll in the chocolate starfish. Sorry.
Interesting that this blue state went so red on this issue, eh? Guess there’s some folks out here who just don’t cotton to the idea…
Biffstir on November 11, 2008 at 8:57 PM
These kind of topics are almost always frustrated. I just want JetBoy and malan89 to know that you are my brothers and though we disagree on this issue, there are plenty of others where we are in concert.
God bless.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:58 PM
One more thing: If these had been WHITE protestors harassing gays, blacks, or whoever, you can bet that it wouldn’t be ignored this is the anniversary of Kristallnacht. Think the Gay-stapo will draw those apt comparisons?
L.N. Smithee on November 11, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Larry Craig, for example.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 8:58 PM
People like you fascinate me…how do you get to a point where you actually believe that baloney?
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:58 PM
As with free speech, a test of liberty is protecting the rights of someone who you disagree with.
dedalus on November 11, 2008 at 8:58 PM
I’m getting sick of this thread. This issue really brings out the trolls.
Yeah, that basically says it all.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Yup. This is a very divisive issue even with people that normally agree on things.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Dude. I agree with you 98 percent of the time, and admire your candor and intellect. You’re talking about an elderly woman who went to a political rally. Was she holding up a sign talking about “fags”? Was she holding up anything inflammatory? I’m an agnostic, but if you find the cross to be an antagonistic, inflammatory thing, meant only to “taunt and torment” at a political rally, you need to take a good long re-think about that.
You’ve chided others here for speaking against militant gay activists. Now you’re assuming an elderly woman with a cross to be a militant anti-gay activist by claiming her to be “taunting and tormenting”. Give me a break! How exactly was she going to taunt or torment that crowd?
You’re displaying a horribly myopic view, and I expect better of you. Were the positions reversed, I know you would not say that the person on your side was “asking for it”.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:00 PM
That’s what I’ve been saying. If a state, in which over 60% voted Democrat, truly tolerant and open minded people, voted against it, it probably isn’t meant to be.
El_Terrible on November 11, 2008 at 9:01 PM
It promotes an unhealthy lifestyle. Why are people so afraid to point out that homosexuality is primarily responsible for the spread of aids in the 80’s and 90’s? This lifestyle is a danger to our communities.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:01 PM
MadisonConservative said:
That’s quite an amazing intellectual argument there.
Which comment of mine do you think deserved that ugliness from you? Was it linking to a website with lots of research and clinical studies that show people are not “born gay” and that they can change if they want to? [ STUDIES AND CLINICAL RESEARCH AVAILABLE HERE HTTP://WWW.NARTH.COM]
Or was it my pointing out that ANNE HECHE had no problem switching from girls to guys and then starting a family with her man she married?
Or was it for pointing out that the arguments of not being able to control who the gays have sex with is eerily similar to the arguments that the homo pedophile groups like NAMBLA give as their excuse?
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 9:01 PM
You know what? It won’t really matter about these raging wharf queers in the long run if the President we just elected will be the enabler for sharia law. Y’all will be some of the first to be executed.
Let me remind you that we’re freakin’ doomed in this country. Change you can bereave in.
You think I’m kidding?
pistolero on November 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM
A civil union is no less than a marriage – it’s the same thing. I’ve had both the justice of the peace ceremony and the church wedding (same man, btw), what made it official (in the eyes of the government) was the paper we signed for the city of Pensacola, not the paper we signed later in the Westminster church. I believe that traditionally, marriage is between a man and a woman, and that it’s very hard to separate that from its religious roots.
I am no longer a believer, so I suppose the Christian aspect of my marriage is null and void. Yet, my husband and I are still “married.” If gays are allowed to get civilly hitched, I see no problem with it. They can call it a marriage if they want to, much as we do – it’s the same thing, and by using “civil union” in the legislation, it keeps the vast majority happy.
OTOH, if we legalize gay marriage, I’m so hoping for polygamy. I just finished the Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and hot damn, I’m down with that! My junior wife can get on that stack of dirty laundry stat. My several husbands will have a Honey-Do list 5 miles long. Let’s get it on!
/sarc tag probably needed
Anna on November 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM
They’re fun to watch tho.
But yeah…I can only say my say, and move on. I don’t think many minds were changed today…
Tomorrow, that’s another day.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Hate to break it to you, but you having less experience than myself does not make me wrong. However, you go on believing that your side is all good and everyone on the other side is bad. We need people like you to demonstrate how logical, rational people should not act.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM
JetBoy asked:
Believe what balogney JetBoy?
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM
You’re right, Anne Heche is not gay. She’s just butch. She should be ashamed of how she took advantage of Ellen.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 9:03 PM
It promotes an unhealthy lifestyle. Why are people so afraid to point out that homosexuality is primarily responsible for the spread of aids in the 80’s and 90’s? This lifestyle is a danger to our communities.apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Yes, so is smoking, but people still have the freedom to partake in that and it kills more people each year and has killed more historically than AIDS.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Sorry, did not mean to strike.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 9:04 PM
I swear…
Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, drunk drivers, arsonists, drug dealers…THOSE are dangers to the community.
Jack and Steve in love and wanting to marry? Yeah…real dangerous.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Yes, so is smoking, but people still have the freedom to partake in that and it kills more people each year and has killed more historically than AIDS.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 9:03 PM
pistolero on November 11, 2008 at 9:06 PM
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume the old woman outnumbered 50-to-1 by six foot, three hundred pound men wasn’t “asking for anything”.
No, it wasn’t. I was responding in kind to the bit of foul language and mentally diseased sputum you managed to fumble out of your keyboard. Funny how you use that kind of language, yet I bet you think yourself to be holding the moral high ground over gays. I love how that bit of irony always turns up with you disgusting, loathsome, hateful hypocrites.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Biffstir said:
You’re very welcome! Glad I could help. There is a LOT of research out there, but not many people know where to find it at.
Biffstir said:
70% of blacks voted YES on Prop 8! That is what put it over the top in California!
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Messed up the quote part.
pistolero on November 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM
My mom’s not famous, but she took the opposite route. Got pregnant with me, and when I was born, was living with another woman. Has been the same for the last 26 years, no change yet.
It’s a complex issue, that’s for sure.
Anna on November 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM
You are right but that was not my point. My point was that engaging in homosexual sex has risks just like smoking.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM
No, no, no. It promotes a healthy lifestyle. Marriage is the ultimate affirmation of love. By granting gays that affirmation we promote stability, monogamy, and healthy expression of intimacy in gay culture. By shutting gays out of society, we get Larry Craig.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Not to get too far off topic, but check out the CDC’s numbers for yourself. I did a report on it in college. Homosexual sex is the number one cause of AIDS infections in the United States. In the world, it’s heterosexual sex. However, at home, it is the case. That’s not anti-gay rhetoric.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:08 PM
No shame, at least you did not strike out the quote as I did.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 9:08 PM
AH GOD NO!
GIVE THEM MARRIAGE NOW BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!
Seriously, that’s easily a good enough argument for me!
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:09 PM
especially if you’re smoking …. just kidding :D
El_Terrible on November 11, 2008 at 9:09 PM
I disagree. Men are driven by sex. The act of marriage will not make them any more faithful than it does to heterosexual couples.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Time for some comic thread-related relief…. Bruno!
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Ü
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 9:11 PM
I’ll concede the point. The guys were jerks. The only thing I’ll leave it with is that I wouldn’t choose to use showing up a protest with a cross and holding it in the air as my way of expressing my POV. But, yeah, she wasn’t “asking for it”.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM
So if it’s ’sometimes/somewhat’ genetic, let’s figure out the genetic code so that during amnio testing, we can find out if we’re going to have gay kids and if we don’t want ‘em, terminate?
But wait! Gays don’t want unborn gay babies killed. Stop amnio tests! Stop aborting gay babies! (oh crap, wait, I’m a liberal and I’m pro-choice, and I’m gay so I’m REALLY pro-choice, but I, I, I don’t want to abort my gay baby, and I don’t want all of my breeder friends to abort THEIR gay babies ’cause gay babies need love too, so now I’m an ANTI-gay-baby-abortion supporter…but I’m still ALL for breeders aborting their straight babies. That’s like, totally okay…)
Interesting how the GLBT crowd stopped with the whole ‘it’s genetic’ thing once they realized that science would simply eliminate that ‘defective gene’, eh?
I disagree with the ‘anymore than straights choose to be attracted to the opposite sex’. It’s biology, man. A species does not exist without procreation. We are biologically programmed to seek out the opposite sex and procreate. And since GLBT isn’t genetic, then what environmental factors lead to the behavior? Once determined (and this will sound harsh), simply modify those environments and the behavior is modified, right?
Biffstir on November 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Your gayish gayness must have broken the link.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 9:13 PM
MadisonConservative said:
Well, of course I loathe and hate gays. I don’t want them anywhere near me or my family or any children. I hate evil and that means specificly evil people since only volitional creatures are capable of evil (”abhor what is evil, cling to what is good” Romans 12:9).
See, I am very familiar with gay subculture. That is one big reason why I live in a very suburban area at least 100 miles away from a gay hotspot like Chicago.
I am indeed holding the moral highground and gays should be referred to as fags, sodomites, catamites, fomos (female homos), etc.
My church would not allow the unrepentant sexually immoral (which includes homos and fomos and those shacking up prior to being married who ALL CLAIM that they are doing good and that God made their sexual immorality come about the way they currently are now) to even enter our church. They would have to repent publicly first and then we would let them be part of our local church family and be part of the good we do and the good that we bring to each other.
FYI – we are following the directions given in 1 Corinthians 5 just as they are given. Read it and be enlightened.
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 9:14 PM
As far as I’m concerned, the phrase “tolerant liberal” was, is and will forever be an oxymoron.
Ryan Gandy on November 11, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Marriage is an institution given to us by God. The social norm for thousands of years. Read Genesis.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Not that I made all that profound of a comment, but should anyone choose to respond, I’m heading up to bed. If anyone wants to rant incoherently at me, I’ll read it in the morning.
Everybody else, have fun!
Anna on November 11, 2008 at 9:14 PM
One of the constant arguments that I have read in this thread is that people should not base their opinion of all gays on the actions of just a few. This sounds much like the MSM and other defenders of the Muslim religion, i.e., acts of terrorism are committed by a small minority of radicals and most muslims are peaceful. The problem that I have with both of these situations is that I see relatively few supposed moderates speaking out against the behavior. When I start to see more gays speaking out against other gays who display the type of behavior shown in not just this video but also events like the “Up Your Alley” festival I will start to give more support to their efforts.
dawgyear on November 11, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Game, set, match. This guy wins the thread; we can all go home now.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 9:14 PM
I’m too fabulous for the interwebz!
Let’s try this again…. BRUNO!
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:15 PM
See my earlier comment:
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 9:15 PM
The UK is America’s canary in the coal mine.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Yeah, like I said. You’re a hateful, loathsome little child. I hope you enjoy living in your world where you fear people because of who they go to bed with. I’m sure it’s nice to sit on your cardboard pedestal, just make sure you’re prepared for when it collapses beneath the immense weight of that hatred you hold.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Ermmm, no. If you’ll recall, we broke away from Britain because it sucked. Places like Holland or Denmark are better examples to go by, because people in those countries have actively demanded their rights. England, not so much.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Don’t stress over the trolls, Madison.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 9:19 PM
And this is the point where conservatives lose the fight. What should have happened next, is that she proceeds to use the men’s restroom. But conservatives will simply walk away and whine about it. When do we stand up and fight? When do we stop whining? When do we realize that making angry phone calls is not going to do the job?
The first time a transvestite, transsexual, or whatever name the thing happens to call itself decides to use the restroom at my place of work designed for whatever sex happens to be opposite from what they were born as, is the first day that I begin waltzing into the woman’s restroom claiming “equal rights.”
This should have happened years ago when professional tennis started it all. That was when female reporters were given the right to enter men’s locker rooms in both tennis and the NFL. If male reporters had immediately begin waltzing into the female locker room while Chris Evert was showering, we could have put a stop to the nonsense right from the beginning.
Conservatives lost their way at some point. We were once the brave men who stood up to the King of Great-Britain and fought to the death for what we believed was right. Now, we hide in our living-rooms, afraid that our neighbors will think we’re radicals if we stand on the street corner holding a sign.
We dug this hole ourselves. I just wonder if we’re ever going to grow the balls to dig our way out of it.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Stress? It’s like bumper bowling, my friend. Little effort to win.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:21 PM
This is why I’m glad I have a sense of humor…
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:21 PM
I think the gay community could probably get consensus on civil unions. Why they must force the issue of calling it “marriage” is beyond me, unless the real motivation is an attack on religion.
If you get everything you want, why does it matter so much what you call it?
capitalist piglet on November 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Wow!
What’s worse? Calling a person a fag, or this?
Beautiful.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 9:23 PM
MadisonConservative said:
Its much much more than who they go to bed with. I am talking about the gay subculture. I have been around it and near it long enough to know that its nothing you want your family exposed to.
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Good observation.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Gee, is that all he said? I’m pretty sure he used some more colorful words than that, and I’m even more sure you’re ignoring them willfully out of pure intellectual dishonesty. Try again.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:28 PM
I don’t think that’s true at all.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Nice try, but you just stated otherwise.
Not interested.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:30 PM
You guys sound just like the sh*t who raped one of my girlfriends. “She shouldn’t have been alone like that, wearing that dress. She asked for it.”
This is a free country. No matter which side you support, these kinds of statements are never acceptable. If you don’t condone it, then don’t defend it.
theotherKate on November 11, 2008 at 9:30 PM
And you’re being naieve. Homosexuals don’t like us, but they want us to change with them.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Bingo. This “I don’t condone it, but…” spiel is horses**t.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:34 PM
yep
sheesh on November 11, 2008 at 9:36 PM
You want me to resolve the nature vs. nature debate right here? Holy crap. I mean, I’m kind of flattered, but you’re asking too much. It’s a complex issue.
You’re right about one thing, it is biology. So ask the biologists what they think. They’ll tell you that they’ve found a gene that promotes homosexuality in men, and promotes fecundity in women. Since reproduction is more limited by the number of women willing to procreate than the number of men, the effect is to produce more offspring. Think about it – 10 straight men and 10 straight women can produce exactly as many offspring as 9 straight men and 10 straight women. The latter case even has the added advantage that the offspring will have a kindly uncle with no kids of their own to raise to help raise them, which increases their chance of surviving to reproduce. See how this can work?
I don’t know about your attempt at a unified field theory of abortion and gay marriage. I mean, literally, I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Oh, great…now I’m being compared to a rapist. Wonderful.
I NEVER CONDONED THE ACTIONS TAKEN ON THAT WOMAN! Sorry to “yell”…but read my reply, fer cripes sake.
Sorry, but using the cross to taunt the crowd into a frenzy…she knew exactly what she was doing. And no…that’s not saying a woman “asks for it” about rape.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:38 PM
You are deluded if you believe you are a true Bible-believing Christian. You better wake up.
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Oh please. There is no excuse for treating anyone like that, let alone a little old lady. Have we really reached a point in our society where it’s NOT okay to have a symbol of a cross in public, and where it’s all right to bully and assault someone – whatever their views – the way that the crowd did in this video? If the situation were reversed, we’d all be appalled, and rightfully so.
I can’t believe what I’m seeing here.
capitalist piglet on November 11, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Sorry, but using the cross to taunt the crowd into a frenzy…she knew exactly what she was doing.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Much like Westboro Baptist Church protesting military funerals.
Krydor on November 11, 2008 at 9:41 PM
…but you refuse to condemn. Sorry bro, but that’s a typical cowardly response. Take a stand one way or another.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 9:41 PM
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