Video: Forces of tolerance confront Proposition 8 supporter
posted at 6:31 pm on November 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Ace, bravely blogging through a case of the shivering douchechills. Reminds me of that old Onion piece, except with terrified senior citizens and styrofoam crosses being snatched and broken. Charges will, apparently, be filed.
I don’t know what these dudes are so upset about. Surely they don’t think the California Supreme Court’s going to let the public get away with this, do they? Click the image to watch.
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Speaking of which, I gave a single example above.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 7:55 PM
It’s simple…prop 8 denies two people the same dignity that others share. I’ve asked, but still no answer: How does gay marriage take anything away from anyone? What does anyone lose by allowing gays to marry?
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Who the hell are you to demand equal rights?
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Jumped out at me too.
Tzetzes on November 11, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Noneya on November 11, 2008 at 7:57 PM
I guess if someone were to rip a gay flag out of these guys hands and stomp on it they would be prosecuted for a “hate crime” but it is okay to rip the cross out of this little ladies hand. We now live in a country where it is okay to burn the American flag, but to burn a gay flag would be a crime. Kind of Scary
mcplumbercuda on November 11, 2008 at 7:57 PM
To be intellectually honest, William Amos, you should admit “no”. It prevents them from having the relationship of “marriage”.
I’m okay with denying homosexuals marriage and restricting it to one man and one woman. However, I’m also going to be honest about it and say, yes, of course that denies that relationship to them.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 7:57 PM
They supposedly gave a kazillion dollars to support the Yes on 8 effort, the bastards.
I mean, it’s perfectly okay for Moveon and Soros and company to pour money into causes they support, but not the Mormons, right?
/huge dose of sarcasm here, in case you can’t tell
Bob's Kid on November 11, 2008 at 7:58 PM
A tax-paying American citizen, that’s who!
Noneya on November 11, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Um. That’s a disturbing attitude.
Gun owners in Wisconsin have lost multiple times in trying to get the right to carry a concealed weapon. We are not giving up, nor should any group of Americans who wants to try and put forth an action.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 7:58 PM
* Ugh. By no, WA, I mean “yes”. It prevents them from having marriage.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 7:58 PM
That underlying systematic acceptance of their outdated bigotry?
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Yes, Matthew Sheppard was murdered by some idiots a few years ago (& Hollywood made three movies about it).
jgapinoy on November 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Please, please, PLEASE tell me that was just snark.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Madison, William, Ozark –
Go find Billy Goat Gruff. We’re having a Troll Invasion
kingsjester on November 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Who my daughter marries will be her decision – not mine, and I am obviously not in any position to dictate who my sister marries. You’re grasping.
I don’t base my morals or beliefs on what is “easier.” I base them on what I belief to be right. I know that’s a real tough concept for liberals to grasp.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Angry Fems!
Jaibones on November 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM
I had previously thought that these comments would be immediately recognized as sarcasm, but after reading some of the other comments on this thread I’ve realized they look like some of the things you anti-human decency people would say.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Once again, the proposition of allowing gays to marry somehow is inexplicably and mind-bogglingly claimed to lead to the magic destruction of all straight marriages.
What…the…
My head. Ow.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Jet Boy ~ Because it re-defines marraige. Most people don’t mind if homosexuals have domestic partner rights such as insurance, and filing taxes together, and all other legal rights. It is when the law tries to take Marriage, the oldest institution in our civilzation and change it or define it in a different way. It has nothing to do with hate. Not aleast for most of the people I talk to. I’m one of those “Bible Thumpers” and I go to a conservative church. I never hear hate directed towards homosexuals. We just want the institution of marriage to remain the way God created it.
mcplumbercuda on November 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM
*ding ding ding*
Think about that…
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:02 PM
We’ve been having it since the last open registration. Have no fear. We just need to rile them to the point of their true nature, which will lead to their vacation.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Let’s be clear on this…
With regards to this issue, you’re the big government liberal.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Because for some it insults their beliefs. Your asking for them to drop all their beliefs to give you what you want.
Let marrage stay for Heterosexuals and civil unions for homosexuals. Is that such a problem ? Does it really matter what you call your relationship ?
Or isnt this whole business nothing more than pushing an agenda to make your beliefs greater than everyone elses ?
Please understand gays are a minority and will always be a minority. Both sides have to be willing to respect each other. I would fight hard to prevent any law that would target gays and seek to impose any punishment on them. But for that is it so hard to ask that you not call your relationship the same thing I would call mine ? What do you honestly gain or lose in any of this debate ?
Your fighting for something that has no meaning to you and every meaning to those that dont live your lifestyle.
William Amos on November 11, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Why is it that liberals and gays throw out the words “fascist” and “nazi” every time they don’t get their way? Interestingly, I only see one side calling for riots, violence, and “death” to anyone who opposes their view.
It’s not the “anti-gay marriage” crowd.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Churches came up with marriage to begin with. If some churches want to expand their definition of marriage to include gays, they should be allowed to, as they started the damn thing.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Marriage has been redefined previously…no less than 7 states only 40 years ago defined marriage to exclude whites and blacks from marrying each other…sometimes things NEED to be redefined…
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:04 PM
STOP FIGHTING! What did I tell you guys about UNITY. I voted Yes on 8, but if the No side won I wouldn’t go out and riot. I’d accept it.
In fact, I don’t recall anyone rioting or painting swastika’s on anything after the Supreme Court made gay marriage legal. I don’t recall any people taking to the streets, blocking traffic, and threatening other groups of people.
Both sides got their message out to the people. The NO side outspent the YES side, called us “intolerant” and implied that we would support the internment of the Japanese, or might push to make interracial marriage illegal. Moreover, the NO side had all the big celebrities and politicians endorse their cause. Nevertheless, the people voted, and they voted to restore marriage as between one woman and one man.
Now let us unite and heal.
We’re not red states or blue states, we’re the United States of America
-Hope & Change
El_Terrible on November 11, 2008 at 8:05 PM
And it ain’t the gay marriage crowd either, unless you have evidence of it. The video above is of a raucous mob, and I have seen videos of anti-gay marriage folks just as rowdy and threatening.
Ditch the myopic view.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:05 PM
As a former Californian, I can’t express enough how much I don’t miss the craziness. I used to live in Palm Springs when the gays started moving in masse into the town. They seem to enjoy shocking the Seniors with an in-your-face display of PDA’s. Heck, I don’t enjoy seeing straight people sucking face either. Now it seems that we’re all in store for more militancy. Oh boy… I’m just glad my parents are not alive to witness this.
Conservalicious on November 11, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Look on the bright side. At least he’s not speaking ill of our fine, fine new President Obama.
Django on November 11, 2008 at 8:06 PM
But, that would make sense! No, what’s needed is a long, ridiculous, vitriolic battle over a word.
SouthernDem on November 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM
And the same folks argued almost, but not quite, as virulently against such a thing.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I’m not wrong at all. They’re already passing law in the UK restricting the rights of Christians.
“Hotels and bed and breakfasts could face prosecution for turning away homosexual couples under new government proposals to protect gays and lesbians from being denied “goods, facilitieH)yrvices” because of their sexual orientation.” - Telegraph
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Coming from someone that claims to care so much about marriage, that’s quite a question. Who are you to go around deciding who and who doesn’t get to choose what to call their relationship? The governement should define marriage at all. Period. Civil Unions for any two people that want to form that contract. If you want to get married, talk to your Pastor/Priest/Rabbi/Whatevs. Marriage is a religious institution, government is a secular institution.
Exactly.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Well said, Mr. Amos.
I came aboard this last registration, too. There are a lot of great people that blog here. You guys are worth sticking around for. But there are others that take over a thread just to dazzle everybody with their intellect. NEWS FLASH: IT AIN’T WORKIN’. Nobody is impressed, You’re just flapping your gums and taking up space.
kingsjester on November 11, 2008 at 8:10 PM
The UK also outlawed handguns and put a guy who defended his home in prison for six years for doing so.
We’re not talking about the UK, we’re talking about the US.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Hang in there, dude. It may sound strange, but the narrow passage of Prop. 8 is a necessary step in the path to acceptance of gay marriage. Before now, the possibility of gay marriage was so remote nobody would have even bothered to try and stop it. Prop. 8 isn’t the last chance at legalizing gay marriage; it’s the last stand of those who oppose it. You now have an unambiguous objective: repeal Prop. 8 and claim, once and for always, the recognition of your basic humanity.
Best of luck.
RightOFLeft on November 11, 2008 at 8:13 PM
You know my opinion on the issue, now let me say this. I think a lot of the anti-gay marriage people are folks that don’t know a lot of gay people and have a warped view based off of media stereotypes and pictures of the Folsum Street Fair. Most gay people are nothing like that. And it’s sad that the totally normal, not always making out with random members of the same sex on the sidewalk gay folks are deprived of their rights because of that.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:13 PM
God came up with Marriage. It is the only institution that was created before the fall of man. Churches didn’t come up with it. I’m tired of people painting gay marriage opponents as horrible facist and bigots. We just feel strongly that Marriage should remain between a man and a woman. It really has nothing to do with hate. I grew up in church my father is a pastor and I’ve gone to church for 36 years and NEVER heard anyone talk about how we are going to destroy gays or how horrible gays are. We don’t even talk about gays unless it comes to hate crime speach and marriage because both threaten our most basic beliefs. If it becomes a crime to say homosexuality is wrong, then part of the Bible becomes illegal. That is a VERY slippery slope. We just don’t want to see that happen.
mcplumbercuda on November 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM
When the homosexuals decide to stomp on the symbol of my Lord, I decide to close my open mind.
Idiots.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Might I point out that gay marriage pisses off the Muslim Fundamentalists something fierce?
Isn’t that something we could all get in on?
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Haha! You don’t know my daughter. My comment, being based on my daughter’s obvious sexual preference, is not in any way inconsistent with the discussion we happen to be having. She would happen to agree with me.
Again … you’re grasping.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM
It’s not “the homosexuals”. It’s one particular jackass who happens to be a homosexual. I know plenty of Christian gay people who would proudly kick that guys ass for doing that. You have a warped impression of people that happen to be gay if that’s what you think all of them are.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Assault with a dangerous weapon. She should sue.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM
But don’t you see…you claim gays wanting to marry interferes with peoples beliefs. What about my beliefs? Don’t they matter? Don’t ALL Americans deserve equality? Not “special”, not some second-class “civil unions”…but equal?
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM
I’m not sure I understand you. Are you saying the CIA should push for gay marriage in Iran?
El_Terrible on November 11, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Yeah, let’s get Osama to make a video denouncing teh gays. Half of the social cons would flip on the issue in a split second.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Dude, save the lecture. I have had an open mind for everyone of my 43 years of life on this earth. I lived next door to a gay male couple for four years and count them as friends. However, when faced with this hatred against my fellow Christians, I am prone to ask which side has the most hatred? It was more than the one guy. Watch the entire video.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Capital, I say CAPITAL idea, sir!
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Please…I’m a Mass-attending gay Catholic. I have more reverence for the crucifix (or cross, whatever you believe) than you could know.
Again, don’t take the actions of a few vocal idiots and apply them across the board.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Typical they love dissenting opinion as long as it agrees with them.
If you have a differing viewpoint then your opinion does not matter.
What ever happened to diversity?
I am so glad I votes YES on
ColdWarrior57 on November 11, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Once again, there are two issues here.
The first is whether or not the state should be defining marriage at all. I’ve talked to some No on Prop 8 folks (though they seem to be the minority) that feel that any adult relationship should be allowed to qualify as a marriage if that’s what the people involved want. Polygamy, adult incest, etc. If that is the case though, it seems like the state should just get out of the business of marriage contracts altogether.
Most of the people I talked to that were supporting No on 8 did not want to legalize polygamy or adult incest and include it in the definition of marriage. In those cases, their argument and the Yes on 8 folks arguments were very similar. Both groups felt that the state had the right to say “this is marriage but this isn’t”, they just differed on where those lines should be drawn – Yes on 8 “2, different gender, non-related” and No on 8 “2, any gender, non-related”.
In the second instance, where people were arguing the same thing just placing the boundaries differently, I found it interesting that No on 8 people were accusing Yes on 8 people of hatred. Somehow it’s not hateful for No on 8 people to want polygamy and adult incest to be excluded from marriage but it is hate for Yes on 8 people to want homosexuality excluded from that definition. That seems intellectually dishonest to me.
JadeNYU on November 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM
How could so many people who normally advocate for smaller government and individual freedom be on the wrong (liberal, big gov’t) side of this issue? It’s really perplexing. It shows a clear inconsistency in fundamental ideology and belief regarding the structure of our government and the rights granted to the individual.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM
REALLY? I could swear that it was the PEOPLE who just made the decision on Prop 8. I could also have sworn that it was the gay-rights crowd who wants the COURT to step in and OVERRIDE the will of the people.
I think you’re a confused individual.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 8:21 PM
How does reducing the number of people who can get a state sanctioned marriage increase the side of California government?
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Oh, goodie…the braintrust is active tonight…
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:23 PM
With that kind of attitude, it’s no wonder we lost.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:23 PM
If you are living your life according to what you believe, and not what the Bible tells you (the King James version preferably) then you need to turn a corner. Now, you may not believe that, but it doesn’t matter what you believe. If I didn’t believe in gravity and jumped off a 10 storey building, I’m gonna die. What you don’t believe in doesn’t matter. Look. Try this experiment: See your computer — don’t believe in it. See what happens. Try really hard. It’s still there. It’s still there. OK. GOD exists. Creation tells us there is a Creator. The genius of God’s hand is revealed in creation. Turn the corner Madison. “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved.” Acts 16:31
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 8:23 PM
troll
El_Terrible on November 11, 2008 at 8:24 PM
tocloloro, I’m sure there are many people on that list who are finer and more decent morally than you are.
Specifically in the “gays”, “fags”, “lesbians”, “homosexuals”, and “atheists” camps.
You’re a disgusting, hateful, piece of work.
Yeah, that was totally the message of Jesus as presented in the Bible. Asshat.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Happy you are gay and a Catholic. However, if watching those “men” take the cross away from and old woman and spit on her doesn’t make you angry, then we all know where you loyalties lie. With the hateful, angry homosexuals.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:24 PM
tocloloro, I’m sure there are many people on that list who are finer and more decent morally than you are.
Specifically in the “gays”, “fags”, “lesbians”, “homosexuals”, and “atheists” camps.
You’re a disgusting, hateful, piece of work.
Yeah, that was totally the message of Jesus as presented in the Bible.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Ah, I understand what you’re saying. Let’s base our sweeping stereotype on a group that includes millions of people off a couple dozen instead of one guy. That’s makes so much more sense.
/sarc
Again, the majority of people that happen to be gay (no longer saying homosexuals as if that’s what defines them as a person; we don’t call straight people heterosexuals when talking about them) would be disgusted by that. See JetBoy:
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:25 PM
…“men” take the cross away from an
dold woman and spit on her doesn’t make you angry,…carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:25 PM
He didn’t say that guy wasn’t an asshole. He’s just saying that the guy doesn’t represent all people that happen to be gay. You’re being kinda disingenuous with your word spinning.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Where did I ever condone such a thing? But throwing a cross in the face of this argument over gay marriage isn’t very Christian either. She was asking for it. Again, I do not condone it…but it seems to me she used the cross to taunt with.
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:27 PM
How does gay marriage take anything away from anyone? What does anyone lose by allowing gays to marry?
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 7:57 PM
How about an additional drain on our already overburdened Social Security system?
Conservalicious on November 11, 2008 at 8:27 PM
I don’t live my life according to a book. If there is a god, then he doesn’t need a book to speak to me. People have been communicating with god through various types of prayer since time immemorial. Please, don’t tell me to bow to a block of wood pulp and ink.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Ban hammer. Now.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM
That’s a weak argument, given that the collapse is already assured with the huge wave of baby boomer retirements we’re facing.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I take JetBoy at his word, but as I said, we all know where your preferences lie when you watch the video and come out defending the homosexuals, gays, queer-eyes — whatever you want to call them. Your faith in God should trump all earthly desires, passions, etc. I’m not saying that I am winning that battle, but if I saw, as a heterosexual man, a video of straight girls engaging in the same act as those gays, I would side with the old woman.
It is not rocket science.
Just divorce yourself from your deep-seeded hatred of Christians for a moment and see it in a different light.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM
heh…chalked up to entertainment value.
But I suppose it would be wrong of me to accuse all anti-gay marriage people of this kind of thinking…
hmmmm….
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM
JetBoy, not bringing a cross to people you think are sinners and urging them to repent… plus showing your support of heterosexual marriage… isn’t Christian?
What’s more Christian than one lone weak older woman facing a bunch of violent thugs she considers to be in need of the Gospel?
I’m obviously not a Christian, but I can recognize the basic decency of what she was trying to do, from a Christian perspective. You’re way off base here, JetBoy.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Agreed. “fags” likens them to small pieces of wood to start a fire and that is not constructive. I think homosexuals and gays is acceptable though. Correct me if I am wrong.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM
You can see the video of the violent homos attacking the old lady and stomping on her cross at this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGdVj8c0rAk
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Can’t we all just get along?
Question, and it’s not O/T: Did we determine whether or not GLBT behavior is genetic? My colleague and I were discussing Prop 8 today (we both voted yes but for different reasons) and broached the topic. Can anyone help me out on this one?
Biffstir on November 11, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Yeah, only a complete asshat would do something like that.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Ditch the arrogant ignorance. You’re wrong. You either haven’t been paying attention, or you’re just spitting out that comment because you think it sounds clever.
Gay rights groups have called for the burning of Morman and Christian churches, and for violence against those who support Prop 8, and yes … there have been death threats as well.
And not just one.
It goes on forever.
Gregor on November 11, 2008 at 8:33 PM
The video of the violent gays shouting at the reporter and blocking the video camera is in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngdELxIHxTE
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I was thinking about posting the very same thing. I’m so glad you beat me to it. You are 100% right JellyToast. Watching that video with the sodomites surrounding the lady and reporter, it reminded me of “the men of Sodom”, who surrounded Lot’s house, “and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them (have sex with them)…” Genesis 18-19.
Judgment is coming. “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” Psalm 7:11
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM
You have to laugh at the anchor’s retort, “There’s a lot of anger on both sides”
Oh really? I didn’t see any old gay men get their signs stomped on. Journalism at its finest!
Richard Romano on November 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM
We just disagree. I see that as her right. Why is it that when people are protesting an issue that we are for, it is considered provocation? I don’t get that.
She should not have been subjected to spitting and having her cross stomped. Did anyone go up and swipe one of the No Prop. 8 signs and stomp it or spit on one of the gay men??
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM
“Agreed. “fags” likens them to small pieces of wood to start a fire and that is not constructive. I think homosexuals and gays is acceptable though.”
I rarely if ever use the word “fag” to describe a homosexual, but if they’re going to steal the word “gay”, for happy and cheerful and now it can’t be used for that purpose anymore realistically, then damnit, I have no problem with someone continuing to call homosexuals fags which is a piece of wood or a cigarette.
I don’t do it myself. Yet if they’re going to steal other English words…
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Now you crossed the line, pal. That’s no more a legitimate argument than saying someone with a “NO TO PROP 8″ sign was asking to have it destroyed. Either you respect people’s right to expression or you don’t, and if you see dissenters as “asking for it”, which implies you see no problem with committing crimes against them, you are really being a hypocrite in talking about equal rights.
I’m on your side, but your through process is sounding a lot like the one used by those worthless balls of phlegm in that video.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM
The desire for guys to suck other guy’s cocks is NOT GENETICALLY BASED according to 1,000s of hours of counseling of gays and based upon much research that has been compiled by NARTH on their website.
Get the info on the studies and the counseling here. These guys know better than anyone else the truth about this due to the 1,000s of hours of counseling and clinical work they’ve done on this.
http://WWW.NARTH.COM
TheMightyQuinn on November 11, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Hear, hear. Well said.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:36 PM
PEDS: Proposition 8 Derangement Syndrome
/Calm down.
Christien on November 11, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Hold on. Before I think about answering this, aren’t you the same guy who said that the Bible doesn’t teach homosexuality is a sin?
apacalyps on November 11, 2008 at 8:39 PM
I am betting the state will be out of the marriage business in less than 10 years.
darcee on November 11, 2008 at 8:40 PM
People like this do not add anything to the debate and lack any discipline to refrain from hateful words. There is no reason for that. The argument can be won without the epithets.
carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Now you crossed the line, pal. That’s no more a legitimate argument than saying someone with a “NO TO PROP 8″ sign was asking to have it destroyed. Either you respect people’s right to expression or you don’t, and if you see dissenters as “asking for it”, which implies you see no problem with committing crimes against them, you are really being a hypocrite in talking about equal rights.
I’m on your side, but your through process is sounding a lot like the one used by those worthless balls of phlegm in that video.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:40 PM
The Bible teaches many things one way, and many things another way. It’s one of my consistently favourite thing about the inconsistent Bible.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:40 PM
ack…stupid enter key…hold on…
JetBoy on November 11, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Not every innate quality of a person can be reduced to a single gene. There may be a genetic influence based on a combination of genes, but nothing that has been isolated as far as I know. Perhaps it is something like “handedness” which has some genetic factors but is also a function of the environment in the womb and young childhood.
dedalus on November 11, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Other than quoting the part where he criticized you, what was the point of that last comment?
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:41 PM
malan89 wrote:
“One particular jackass,” you say. Uh huh. Where was such equanimity when a single media report (that turned out to be baseless) of someone shouting “Kill him!” at a single Palin appearance was whipped up by the MSM until comparisons were made to Klan rallies?
What I saw were at least three or four jackasses harassing that woman, and a hundred or more surrounding that reporter with the culprit in her face, blocking the camera, and shoving the both of them around.
You had better tell your Christian gay friends to show up at the next rally to keep the jackasses in check. If not, sorry! The worst among you will define you because they’re the only ones coming forward.
L.N. Smithee on November 11, 2008 at 8:42 PM
The ban hammer’s gonna be busy tonight. I almost think AP puts these threads up after big registration windows just to weed out the trolls.
The woman certainly wasn’t asking for it. The guys were complete douchebags. That’s been established. But the woman went to a anti-Prop 8 rally with the full intention to cause trouble. That much is clear. The guys do a disservice to their cause by reacting that way, but the woman was looking for a reaction. Not “asking for it” with regard to the violence, but she definitely wanted a reaction.
malan89 on November 11, 2008 at 8:42 PM
3 pages of pouring through the comments, and most of it is crap. The level of discourse has really fallen off this past year, especially after the last open registration.
this place is getting to be no better than AOL.
Despite that, I’m calling you out, Allah, on your pre-supression of speech. Not cool. Better to let the speech flow and then play whack-a-mole with your ban hammer.
OneEyedJack on November 11, 2008 at 8:42 PM
I see.
What you said was terrible. It united MC and I and I’ve been calling him (never mind) all day.
So you were really really wrong there.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 8:42 PM
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