The onset of ODS
posted at 10:50 am on November 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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For the past seven-plus years, the Left has suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome. Well, actually, the rest of us have suffered from their embrace of BDS, which one might think would inoculate us from any related maladies. As Jake Tapper notes, though, the onset of Obama Derangement Syndrome might prove that wrong:
We all remember “Bush derangement syndrome” — defined by Charles Krauthammer as “the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush.”
We already need a name for the reverse disorder.
Rep. Paul Broun, R-Georgia, recently said that he fears President-elect Obama may create a security force akin to the Gestapo to impose a Marxist dictatorship.
“It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he’s the one who proposed this national security force,” Broun told The Associated Press. “I’m just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may – may not, I hope not – but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism.”
Broun refers to this portion of a speech Obama gave in July in Colorado. The media dropped two sentences from its reporting of the speech, which set off critics when World Net Daily reported it:
We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
At the time, Obama’s supporters claimed that he meant the Peace Corps and other volunteer organizations. That seems a stretch, but so does Broun’s interpretation of it. As I wrote at the time, the nation already has a number of non-military national security forces, including the FBI, ICE, Border Patrol, and so on. If we want to fund that better, many conservatives would agree, but not funding it to the same extent as the military. In the context of Obama’s remarks above, though, he fairly clearly meant to at least include a volunteer force in outreach within and outside the US as some sort of Department of Peace-like indirect boost to national security.
Nothing in that speech hints at a Gestapo-like organization at all. I’d agree that we have to remain vigilant at all times to ensure that the government doesn’t try to impose such a regime upon us, but this is an extremely thin reed to grasp for such a conclusion. Although I supported a freer hand at the NSA in monitoring communications with one end in the US for possible terrorist activities given the dangers we face in this era, it’s far easier for the government to turn that into a Gestapo than what Obama proposed. That’s why I understood the Left’s opposition to it (as well as a small minority of conservatives) and thought reasonable safeguards against potential abuse were appropriate, as the eventual compromise in Congress provided.
If we plan to offer a rational alternative to the coming debacle of the next two years, then we’d better stick to facts and eschew hyperbole. We need to oppose the reality of the radical agenda proposed by Obama and the Democratic majorities in Congress, not fantasies spun out of context-free snippets of speeches. The more critics invoke Hitler and Stalin instead of Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Johnson, the better the reality of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi will seem in 2010.
Addendum: Also, can we please get rid of this canard?
“We can’t be lulled into complacency,” Broun said. “You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I’m not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I’m saying is there is the potential.”
No, he wasn’t. Hitler was never elected to any office. He became Chancellor because of a deal struck between political factions warring with each other in the twilight of Weimar Germany, appointed to the position by President von Hindenburg. The Nazis never even won a majority in the Reichstag, and in fact lost seats in the last free elections before Hitler became Chancellor. Unlike in most parliamentary systems, the executive in Germany did not need to hold a seat in the Reichstag. The Weimar system never had the support of the German people, and the reversion to strong-man rule was almost inevitable.
And unlike Germany, we will get free elections in two years. If we want to win majorities back, we’ll need to stop invoking Nazis at every turn.
Update: I’m going to add this here rather than reposting it every 50 comments or so in the thread. Nothing in this post says we should refrain from criticizing Obama. I’m just arguing that we have to stick to the facts rather than screeching historically inaccurate references to Nazis every time we disagree with Obama. No one will have any credibility left if we all give into the impulse to act like the Kos Kiddies for the next two years.
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I expect we’ll have a huge media inquiry into who provided their clothes and a shamefull smack down on their oppulence in 5..4..3..2
Alden Pyle on November 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Does anyone think conservatives will get any credit for behaving respectfully towards Obama? From Chris Matthews? From Michael Moore? From Keith Olberman? They’ll just take it as a sign of acquiescence.
Derangement? No. Constantly reminding America and the world about the lies, hypocrisy and corruption of Obama and his cronies, backed up with evidence? Absolutely.
EnglishMike on November 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Yes, Christoph. There is a difference. Jimmy Carter was and is, a humble, misguided man. Barry is not. The problem is, the majority of Americans did not think that his shady relationships and incomplete history was important. They elected this individual not on the facts, but on a promise of a better life. Unfortunately, this is how the Cubans got Castro. In their post-election trance, some are saying that this heralds the return of Camelot.
Nope. John Kennedy was a man of substance. Barry is a man of illusions. Our sacred duty as Americans is to stand up for our country and our beliefs. We can do this by expressing ourselves everytime the lemmings in Washington try to enact bad legislation. We can also call our representatives and express ourselves when Barry starts to implement his agenda. The most important thing we can do, and are called to do, is pray. Pray for our country, our leaders (Obama included), and each other. This is America. We will survive this the same way our country was founded…BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
kingsjester on November 11, 2008 at 12:21 PM
No, it’s because you said Ed is a coward. You keep on thinking what you like, though. The nice thing about derangement is that you have no fear that your demented and twisted views about reality are the truth.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I believe you.
Nonetheless, the answer is: “Because Obama is a communist.”
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:23 PM
To Christoph and Dale:
When I blog, I write my honest opinion. I’m not calculating to get invited to cocktail parties, mostly because I don’t drink cocktails and have no interest in the people who attend them. Calling me a “coward” for expressing my honest opinions says much more about the two of you than it does about me.
And we don’t ban people for dissent here. If you don’t like getting criticized for your ad hominem attacks, then hit the road. Otherwise, deal with it. Frankly, I couldn’t care less either way.
Ed Morrissey on November 11, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I have ODS, and the only cure is MORE COWBELL!!!
(lame attempt at humor, I know)
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Do conservatives want to rant or do they want to win? Yes BDS existed out there, but it existed far away from the Democratic Party who spent the last years painstakingly laying the groundwork for the 2008 election via Dean’s strategy. They started grooming Obama in 2004. They started reaching out to communities of faith. They started supporting veterans benefits legislation that Republicans inexplicably voted against, they moved into latino/hispanic neighborhoods and asked them to be part of their coalition. They harnessed the internet and younger generations and they started to generate media outlets like HuffPo to counter right wing radio.
None of which, except maybe the later, was part of BDS. BDS didn’t WIN Dems anything. Organisation and planning won Dems quite a bit though. If folks can’t get the ODS under control and start organizing conservative electoral hopes are pretty much dead. Which would be great :)
DeathToMediaHacks on November 11, 2008 at 12:27 PM
MadisonConservative, you’re showing yourself to be dishonest. You just selectively quoted:
… in response to my writing this:
So you realize I have been 100% consistent in stating that I believe Ed and yourself are displaying the exact type of cowardice (while convincing yourself you’re being reasonable) that Neville Chamberlain and an untold number or “reasonable men” have inflicted upon the rest of us free men throughout history.
But just disagreeing wasn’t enough. Making a point wasn’t enough. Returning the insult wasn’t enough.
You had to lie and use the word, “No…” when you knew damn well I had never claimed otherwise.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Well put!
davenp35 on November 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Anytime you bring up Hitler you’re begging to be branded a nutbag but come on…
Obama wants a domestic security force the size of the US military that answers directly to him? Imagine if Bush suggested that.
Chuck Schick on November 11, 2008 at 12:31 PM
We need to remind the world that Obama suffers from the effects of abandonment of his father and it will affect his ability to govern. He still suffers from feelings of inadequacies due to being one of a string of kids his muslim father sired from various women and left behind on the booze fueled fast lane of his selfish life.
His sissified approach to life and inability to take a clear stand, or vote, on anything comes from being his counter culture mother’s pampered badge of radicalism she preened over and displayed like a trophiy as proof she slept with minority men in her quest to shock her parents.
Alden Pyle on November 11, 2008 at 12:32 PM
I would prefer not to see the Right descend into the same gibbering madness that has all but consumed the Left, but amidst all this talk about how going crazy isn’t the way to win back the Congress or the White House, I can’t help but note: it worked for the Left, didn’t it?
No, I don’t want to win like that, but why deny that this is exactly what they did? They shrieked hysterically nonstop for eight years, and eventually enough people gave in. My father and brother, for example, weren’t swayed by the Obama cult. They just finally bought into the nonsense that we needed change because Bush was so bad, and that impression was reinforced beyond what I could deflect by the constant hysteria.
So, again, no, we don’t want that, but yeah, it worked. Don’t kid yourself about that.
Kensington on November 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I absolutely, totally, categorically believe you are writing your honest opinion. That’s why I ended my honest opinion thus:
Ed is essentially being a coward, but he doesn’t realize it. He thinks he’s being reasonable, but it’s reasonable men who let tyrants arise.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I’ll stop worrying about Obama following in the footsteps of socialist dictators when he stops giving me reason to. It’s not derangement to point out when his policies or proposals raise big red flags.
backwoods conservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I said that you called Ed a coward.
As I said, I understand. When derangement hits, the deranged can be standing in front of a brick wall and claim there is no wall there.
Don’t call me a liar when I point out exactly what you say. That is Obama-like behavior.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:35 PM
What the hell good are “free” elections if the process is so corrupted that we can’t trust the results? How many illegal aliens and dead people did ACORN sign up to vote in the last election? How many millions of dollars in illegal/foreign contributions did the Obama campaign receive (and spend) after it made sure to disable the security controls for credit card donations on its campaign website? How many “lost” votes are going to be “found” in Minnesota so that Norm Coleman loses his Senate seat to Al Franken?
Are the Democrats going to investigate themselves for the vote fraud they’re actively supporting and benefitting from?
Free elections. Yeah right, that’s what we should be counting on.
AZCoyote on November 11, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Yes! I agree with you. Too many of us are equating the Democrats success in elections with BDS behavior. It won them nothing.
The media has had a large hand in helping the Democrats win. They turned mostly a blind eye to BDS thus sheltering the Democrats from their crazies so BDS probably didn’t hurt them too much in the end either. The media WILL report ODS. We do not engage the left on a level playing field and it would be a mistake for us to give the media the ODS club to beat us over the heads with.
gwelf on November 11, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Ditto!
davenp35 on November 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM
And Ed? Get off your moral high horse. You are calling those of us who perceive a threat from the gentle cold-hearted infanticide-supporting terrorist-cavorting Marxism-friendly megalomaniac cultencouraging Obama “deranged”.
For my part, I believe you’re foolish and cowardly in the sense that Neville Chamberlain was one Hell of a decent man (and he was), but he was also a fool and a coward until it was nearly too late.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Hanging with terroists who openly admit their job’s not done?
That gives me pause. (Understatement)
I don’t give two squirt of owl poop about the man Obama. But his associations, rhetoric, and histroy do. If that makes ODS, so be it.
I was very vocal during the campaign about the implications of an Obama administration especially coupled with Reid and Pelosi. Until I see actions to the contrary (and nothing he has done is) I will continue to speak out ablout the dangers.
Anyone who disregards the innocent unborn and born-alive will not hesitate to use equally harsh measures against others who are “an inconvinience.”
davidk on November 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Remember…obam bam won’t govern…he will rule.
dinkyjackson on November 11, 2008 at 12:37 PM
The Left has trained the Right beautifully to play the Left’s game by the Left’s rules for them. I give them a tremendous amount of credit. It’s going to make it very easy for them to execute their agenda to its fullest.
“You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I’m not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I’m saying is there is the potential.”
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” — Santayana
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences – Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise – Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power – Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals – Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth – Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light – Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations – Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force – Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control – Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents – Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State – Check
* People adopting his name as their own – Check
* Inspires adoration art – Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory – Check
* Never plans on giving up power – Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac – Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments – Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through Universal National State service – Check
* Acts as if in power before he is – Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine – Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media – Check
* Has his own salute – Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics – Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children – Check
TheBigOldDog on November 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I beg your pardon?
Take your own advice, put away your cardboard pedestal, and push off already.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I realize that you’ve been 100% consistently as tedious here at HotAir as you are over at Ace’s.
Please don’t mistake that for a compliment of any kind.
Gilda on November 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
“ODS”?!? Bullsh*t!
Not much difference between Communism, Fascism, Socialism, and Nazism since they are all about Governments controlling and/or ruling over citizens. They all promote the Government as being superior to the individual, and will use force to enforce that view. Example: Substitute the word “Jew” with “Rich.”
Look at Barack Obama’s ‘Nuremberg’ style rally at Invesco Field. Look at the worship and support that MSM gave Barack Obama. Look at Barack Obama’s long-term relationships with bigots and anti-Americans like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. Look at the Left’s control over the educational system, and their attempts to gain even more control of it. Look at Barack Obama’s own words, e.g. A New Era of Service … etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Karmi on November 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
MadisonConservative, I am calling you a liar or at least a very careless reader.
I always was consistent in my position, but you implied I lied in my answer by using the word “No…” which I drew to your intention.
You asked me a question and I answered it honestly, repeating the charge I gave initially. Don’t pretend I gave some other type of answer to evade responsibility for my opinion.
On the contrary: I repeated it and said it applies to you as well.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Yes, exactly. On both scores.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:41 PM
You called Ed a coward. I said that you did. You claim I am a liar.
Deranged. I’ll keep posting this as long as you continue to smear me.
The sweetest irony of all this is that while you argue that ODS doesn’t exist, you are the pure personification of it.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM
When I want your opinion I’ll fart, letting you know I’m done talking and it’s your turn to speak.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM
I find it quite amazing that anyone would even try to call this a “Derangement Syndrome”. After seeing all the illegal activities that took place during the election (and are still going on in Minnesota) and all of the obvious fraud and all of the creepy declarations and all of the government workers who abused whatever power they had to destroy their opponents and all of characters who were kept in the closet (lest they scare the voters) and all of the MSM going full-throttle to push BHO into office and tons of other extrememly worrying events … put together with the extremely brittle state of our monetary system … that anyone would try to describe trepidation of this group gaining total control of our government as a “Derangement Syndrome” is just whistling past the graveyard. To compare this with BDS (which certainly is a mental illness, not based in reality) is a disservice to logic and reason. Having very serious concerns about BHO’s intentions (which will not be stopped by Congress nor by the press – given what we saw in the election) is the only reasonable view.
progressoverpeace on November 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM
BDS was EFFECTIVE amongst a great majority of the electorate.
Pointing out the danger of a national civilian security force and how that IS similar to other communist regimes is NOT a “derangement syndrome” – it is simply pointing out the facts.
Being politically correct is what us GOT US a president who STATES he sought out marxists in college and STATES he wants to redistribute wealth and STATES he wants to bankrupt coal plants and STATES he wants energy prices to skyrocket and STATES he doesn’t like the constitution as it is.
This is NOT derangement. And if we, here, and other places where conservatives gather to exchange ides, if we ALLOW ourselves to be SILENCED by political correctness, then we are done, and so is America. It is ONLY free speech that will save us now. I will NOT be PC.
JustTruth101 on November 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Ed, if you can’t go by what the man said (and he has said a LOT), then what can you go by?
Alana on November 11, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Let me get this straight. Obama & the Democrats want to cut military spending up to as much as 25% (according to Barney Franks) and give this newly created ‘National Civilian Defense Force’ the same funding as the US Military.
Anyone else have a problem with that? Or do I just have ODS?
Indy928 on November 11, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Aaand that’s the ball game, folks!
You can take your troll pants with you when you leave, lunatic.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Obama is a product of our nation’s success. Too many generations have passed since total war & Cold War was experienced by the world’s populace and much of today’s yoots to whom Obambi is marketed weren’t even born when Reagan was first elected. Most sad is that the generations who recognized Hitler and similar despots then found the gumption to fight against them are succumbing to mortality. Those same generations dying out which formed the Allied cause then checked the course of communism also are the ones who have / had the perspective that the recent market downturn pales in comparison to the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl and the soup kitchen destitution the modern day presstitutes have tried to analogize to recent economic troubles for Obambi’s political benefit.
viking01 on November 11, 2008 at 12:44 PM
“….And unlike Germany, we will get free elections in two years….”
Let’s hope.
As if Joe Biden’s prognostication of may come true, it’s plausable that a terrorist attack on America may cause President Obama to enforce martial law nation-wide. Obviously something that the American People may not like, (as Biden had alluded to), but could also suspend all sorts of things…like perrsonal liberties, 2nd Ammendment Rights, ELECTIONS…a whole bunch of things that could turn our democracy into a dictatorship.
ConwayBob on November 11, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Dontcha just love it when the flaccid little attention-whores self-destruct on cue?
I know I do.
Gilda on November 11, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Someone or something needs to put this egotistical man in his place. He is going to be humbled so badly.
Princeps on November 11, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Alana, I feel confident that Ed and MadisonConservative, educated as they may be, would not have been among the vanguard of those opposing Hitler and working to stop him early on.
I think they’d have come around sometime around 1937… being exceedingly generous.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Lets see… Obama “supporter” already have an Obama book out for children.
Obama has advocated, and approved funding for reeducation classes in school (ahnenburg challenge).
Obama has already started a Youth movement, which pays students to perform “Public Service”, but they have to take classes first.
Obama has already put forward a plan for mandatory “public service” for school age children, and for College students (see above).
Sans the uniform, can you say Hitler Youth?
Obama is a supporter of the takeover of banks.
Obama WILL in his first days in office declare CO2 a pollutant, by executive order, which they will then be able to regulate without Congress doing anything. This will give TOTAL control of the economy to the Federal Government…
Socialism without the Government owning… they just control.
Now, we have Obama proposing a HUGE increase in Federal Police. As STATES have the mandate for internal policing, just what would these Federal Police be used for?
FACT: Hitler was a part of the Vrill Society, which is where he got a LOT of his anti Semetic beliefs.
Obama sat at the feet of a RACIST Preacher for 20 years.
What we have is some rather alarming congruences. Is Obama Hitler? No…
Do some of his stated desires parrallel some of what Hitler did? Yes…
As I was once told by an undercover CIA guy in a country which cannot be named… “you’re technicly not paranoid if they really are out to get you.”
Romeo13 on November 11, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Exactly right. That’s why I said the Left has the Right beautifully trained which is going to make their job so much easier. By the time people either wake up or summon up the courage to speak the truth without concern for what the Left and the media says (or does), it may be too late. Time will tell…
TheBigOldDog on November 11, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Stuck mic
DarkCurrent on November 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Restricting contrary opinions? A typical leftist tactic.
davidk on November 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM
And exactly what are you doing to fight the coming Wehrmacht, hmmm? I see your comments are really fighting the power, ain’t they?
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Funny how you elevate your opinion above everyone else’s as though no one needs to even ask for you to speak your drivel.
The truth is that you want to believe Obama is the next Hitler. That way, you get to play rebel and attack the heartless dictator who will take away all of our rights.
Only problem is that no president has that kind of power. The Constitution still exists and has protected us for the last 200 years. So long as it remains intact, we’ve nothing to fear from any president, even Hitler incarnate would have been nothing but a tiny footnote in history had he been in power here.
You show too much disrespect for our government in your comments here. If you hate it this much, try finding a country that suits you better.
Esthier on November 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Let’s see.
We’ve seen a man who, had he been vigorously investigated and fairly reported on by the press, would most likely not be where he is today. We’ve seen “Truth Squads”. We’ve seen vote fraud perpetrator ACORN hired and empowered by the Obama campaign; a private citizen investigated with government resources, not to mention publicly mocked and scorned; plans floated for a civilian national security force, as well-funded and as powerful as our military. We know Barack Obama has plans to bankrupt American industries, and believes in wealth redistribution. He is a gun-grabber, and seems to believe his own glowing, worshipful press. He has a close associate who discussed with others the extermination of 25 million American citizens; he admitted to seeking out Marxist professors as friends.
But there’s nothing to be concerned about. We don’t want to appear crazy, after all. (If there is something factually wrong with what I’ve stated above, I invite correction.)
I think, if you hold public office, you should probably temper your language and take care not to say inflammatory things – so I get that point – but as for the rest of us, I’m not sure why, after spending the last six months learning about this man on conservative blogs like this one, we are now being encouraged to behave as though there’s nothing to worry about.
I, for one, am very concerned. But then, I realize how precious liberty is.
Call me crazy.
capitalist piglet on November 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM
If you consider referring to the president-elect’s wife as a “he/she” a contrary opinion, you’re a cretin.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Yup. I may not be able to stop it, but I’m prepared for it.
JustTruth101 on November 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Hey now, the mother ship can’t beam him up if he’s wearing pants!
Especially if at the shopping mall. In a few weeks he might be mistaken for just another mall Santa on parole who has lit up from sneaking too much vermouth.
viking01 on November 11, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Icing on the cake: Based on comments I’ve read at Ace’s, Christoph isn’t even American. He’s Canadian!
Gilda on November 11, 2008 at 12:53 PM
No, if you could read properly, which you can’t because you’re an f’n idiot which I’ve seen for years, you’ll see I expressly said I don’t think Obama is close to Hitler philosophically and he’s closer to someone else, who I named, but I’ll wait ’til you actually find it, which I anticipate will be never.
Hitler didn’t have that kind of power. He was acting unconstitutionally when he combined the offices of the Chancellery and the Presidency (and Commander-in-Chief), something the constitution expressly forbade him to do.
But you didn’t know that. At all. Because you’re an idiot.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM
If you don’t know the difference between contrary and unhinged, then that’s your problem.
Speaking of which…
Yeah, I agree with the others that this person should be banned. This woman will be our First Lady. You disrespect her in such a manner and you’re disrespecting all of us.
And for more examples…
Her husband is also white. This is as stupid as the reports that Palin was racist even though her husband is an eskimo.
The man won by over 5 million votes. Acorn was only responsible for a quarter of a million new registrations, most of which were legal. He crushed McCain in electoral college votes. It wasn’t even close.
And to think, I was about to comment that ODS doesn’t exist.
Esthier on November 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Actually, I thought it was hilarious…but then I am lame too.
(laugh)
kybowexar on November 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM
jeanie, you’re a jackass.
dakine on November 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM
And we don’t ban people for dissent here. If you don’t like getting criticized for your ad hominem attacks, then hit the road. Otherwise, deal with it. Frankly, I couldn’t care less either way.
Ed Morrissey on November 11, 2008 at 12:25 PM
He doth protest too much, I suspect!
Just for the record Capt Ed, if you can show anywhere, where I’ve ever said I don’t like getting criticized for my supposed “ad homenin” attacks, I’d be willing to retract that in writing.
As for the supposed “ad homenin” attacks I’ve made, against you, I supposed, I suggest you reread what I wrote!
I never once mentioned “cocktail parties” and “invites”, nor did I ever, ever, every call you a “coward”.
I made it clear what I said, and it was not to criticize your intent, nor your goodness at heart.
In fact, the gist of my comment was that maybe, sometimes, you are TOO good, and TOO fair, in my humble opinion!
But, that’s just me.
Dale in Atlanta on November 11, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Gilda on November 11, 2008 at 12:53 PM
No, not another Drywall!
kingsjester on November 11, 2008 at 12:55 PM
TheBigOldDog on November 11, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Teech me moar! I wunt 2 lern! Yur su smert teechr!
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Sure. Because as history proves, only the people within a country can see the impending disaster headed their way.
Butt… seriously… there are people here who aren’t morons and even if I seem to be engaging with you, I am communicating with them.
After all — I cannot accomplish the impossible.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Yes, like Neville Chamberlain, as I mentioned above. He was a wonderfully nice man.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Same here but I’m not wasting an ounce of energy on those who failed to take a stand when it counted.
TheBigOldDog on November 11, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Hitler is just an icon in these discussions, not a real person. My point, assuming you bothered to read what I wrote, was clearly that you want to feel you’re on the side that’s been wronged and that needs to fight back against the evil empire, like some Skywalker fanboy who gets off pining for a chance to take out his makeshift lightsaber.
The beauty of political arguments. Forget using reason, just insult the other person’s intelligence. That way you don’t actually have to have an argument.
Genius!!!!
This isn’t Germany, Chris. I understand what Hitler did, and I’m still telling you it can’t be done here. The president just doesn’t have the power at all to even begin such a process.
Really not all that surprising.
Esthier on November 11, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Kingjester:
No, he was a man whose “humility” was a facade hiding a sanctimonious (and now anti-Semitic) jerk.
irishspy on November 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM
I just want to point out that
Rep. Paul Broun, R-Georgia and Texas Gal, R-Texas
most likely share the experience of the ripened field that is available for easy pickins. If you’ve never had the personal closeup experience of the Black Panthers or our very own Quanell X and his Nation of Islam followers, you might tend to excuse Rep. Paul Broun as someone on the verge of ODS.
On the other hand, I promise you that once you have had that experience, it will add dimension to the realm of possibilities with Obama’s national security force plan.
Texas Gal on November 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM
There’s been a lot of that in the past day or so, and not just here. Complete reversal. I have no idea why.
capitalist piglet on November 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Do you sit around all day, stroking your lobes while continuously sending applications to MENSA in the hopes that they’ll ignore your comments about “granting them the privilege of your membership”?
Goddamn, you’re one of the most arrogant douchebags I’ve ever seen on here. Wouldn’t be a bit shocked to discover you’re a college professor.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM
I’m afraid the comparison may be apt. Ed Morrissey is a “coward” and we’re all “f’in idiots” to the latest Canadian trollboy. Quel surprise, as his Québécois countrymen might say.
Gilda on November 11, 2008 at 1:02 PM
He’s just pissed at me, because he doesn’t understand my position on legalizing pot even though I explained it to him at length for several hours in one headline comments section.
Esthier on November 11, 2008 at 1:02 PM
I find it strangely interesting (in a very macabre way) that the opposition parties in Russia, today, are more vocal about their real concerns and worries than many here in the US.
Just saying …
progressoverpeace on November 11, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Yes, like Neville Chamberlain, as I mentioned above. He was a wonderfully nice man.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:58 PM
I have to depart company with you on this issue “Christoph”.!
Capt Ed. is NOT a “coward”; and he is NOT “Neville Chamberlain”.
In my humble opinion, he is quite a smart man, and a very astute writer, I consider him, Michelle Malkin & Rick Moran to be the three best writers in the Blogosphere; I don’t always agree with him, but hey, that’s the beauty of our American System; and besides, no one has forced me to read his Blog, here at HA or at CQ’s for the past almost 3 years, it’s something I choose to do.
Besides, it’s a hard job they do, they have to master scores of topics, to be able to intelligently comment daily, and to keep asses like us, of their backs.
That said, I stand by my original comments, while not questioning Ed’s nor Rick’s nor AJ’s “heart” nor “intent” nor “goodness”; I think the burden on them, as professional, mature, writers of Blogs, is to show moderation, maturity, non-partisanship and unbiasness on certain issues, so that they are not compared to pure unadultrated Hate sites, such as the Daily Kos-omac, DU, Truth.out, etc.
That “pressure” is not something that is imposed from above, or by other people, it may come unconciously and from inside; they are afterall, our “citizen journalists”.
That’s one of the reasons why they have Blogs, and I DO NOT!
I’m under no such constraint, self-imposed or not, and I couldn’t do it anyhow!
But no “Christoph”; you are wrong to call Capt Ed a “coward” and to compare him to “Neville Chamberlain”. I don’t know Capt Ed personally, but I’ve read enough of his work to know he’s a good man, and his heart is in the “right place”, and he “gets it”. Nothing will change that.
Dale in Atlanta on November 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM
What if you’re wrong? Isn’t the possibility too consequential to just brush aside as crazy talk. Besides, the President alone may not have enough power to become another Hitler, but when they have the entire media behind them they DO have the power to bring us much, much closer to Socialism and a liberal Fascist state.
davenp35 on November 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM
No, actually, I started using reason and pointing out how what you wrote is ignorant nonsense, then I insulted you. I see that you are SO stupid, you didn’t get that.
You wrote this:
I wrote this:
And you understood none of it, as you went out of your way to demonstrate. Again.
Because you’re an idiot.
Esthier, I remember from discussions past your were in a class by yourself dumb. Thanks for the reminder, “The more things change, the more it’s the same thing.”
You actually wrote that even Hitler incarnate would have been a tiny footnote if he were in power in America?
Yes. You are stupid. Call this an ad hominem attack all you want, people, but I think I’ve proven it to any normal person’s satisfaction. It’s probably not nice of me to say Esthier is borderline retarded, but it’s still true.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Fear and political correctness. A few “conservative” bloggers anxious to be acceptable to the Left and the Media ridicule the comparison and the lemmings fall quickly in line. That’s why the Left has a clear path to the end zone. If they don’t fumble the ball or tip on the turf they are going to be very difficult to stop.
TheBigOldDog on November 11, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Romeo, you are right. Obama’s character and philosophy is more towards socialist/Marxist thought. To ignore this is being naive as his campaign and the media would rather us not focus on that. Just listen to what he says and soon enough – what he does.
We have legitimate questions and concerns and are not deranged. Some of the thing Obama says and/or plans should have many American citizens concerned. We are not the same as the BDS population and it is an insult to accuse of if that. You just paved the way for future dissent against Obama’s policies being ridiculed as being deranged.
Apparently, the mistake was mentioning Hitler and Obama in the same sentence. Bush derangement went so far above and beyond Hitler references, but that is irrelevant here.
Lesson: save yourselves the historical parallels and just dissent and question Obama on his word and intentions.
Indy928 on November 11, 2008 at 1:08 PM
If you consider referring to the president-elect’s wife as a “he/she” a contrary opinion, you’re a cretin.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM
davidk on November 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM
You’re probably right, irishspy. All of these years being though of as being such an inept leader has hardened President Carter into what you see today. He wants to be part of the Beltway Elite again and will do and say anything he has to to accomplish his goals.
Sad…
kingsjester on November 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM
You’re a small, small boy. You overcompensate by being a narcissist to the 10th degree though, I’ll give you that.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 1:10 PM
So which group of Americans does Barack Obama want to exterminate? Who is his “master race”? Which countries does he want to invade to give the master race more room to grow?
Just because Obama’s campaign adopted some creepy trappings of fascism does not mean the man is Hitler. Please stop this nonsense.
rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 1:11 PM
I agree with that.
But no “Christoph”; you are wrong to call Capt Ed a “coward” and to compare him to “Neville Chamberlain”.
In the end Neville Chamberlain joined the fight when he finally recognized it, so coward could be overstating it.
However, Neville Chamberlain was a wonderful man at heart. The fact that he was foolish doesn’t mean he wasn’t decent. There are worse insults. I’m not saying Ed Morrissey is like the caricature of Neville Chamberlain, I’m saying he’s like the reality.
However, it is fear which forms part of why reasonable men such as these do not see the people as they are.
Therefore is the reason for my choice of the word “coward” when perhaps some lesser word should do, but only if it expresses the same thought. I’m unaware of one.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM
This bears repeating. No matter how personally Hitlery any American politician gets, there are enormous structural barriers that prevent institutional Hitlery. Hysteria from either side won’t make them disappear.
Gilda on November 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Something I posted in the headline thread relating to this:
Just a little tidbit from the past, about one of the most brilliant humans to have ever existed, Kurt Goedel:
progressoverpeace on November 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM
You win the prize!
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Yes, which is why I said he is closer to Lenin than Hitler.
However, Hitler purposely created a powerful cult of personality and symbols of power and it was the Communist Party that created this for Lenin: He was less comfortable with it. (Although he had no problem creating the Cheka.)
So I’d say Obama combines traits of both men.
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 1:15 PM
You are living in a dream world if you believe that. I bet a few weeks ago you thought it would be impossible for the world’s financial system to collapse too.
TheBigOldDog on November 11, 2008 at 1:15 PM
FYI
That opinion is contrary to mine.
But I fought in the Air Force for his right to be stupid. (Yours, too, MC.)
davidk on November 11, 2008 at 1:15 PM
This coming president has the power of a majority congress and a soon to be stacked SCOTUS. A 100 State EV election. Is that enough power?
Texas Gal on November 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM
The Sandinistas were voted in.
Remember the phase, “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not really out to get you.”
Sometimes it’s not crazy to think the General is not incompetent but actively aiding the enemy. Just look at Ted Kennedy asking The USSR to help defeat Reagan in an election.
- The Cat
MirCat on November 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Hitler had a minority and ruled during a time of economic crisis, nor did he have control of a nuclear arsenal.
What, pray tell, are these seemingly unassailable “enormous structural barriers”?
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM
DI or DO? either way I concur with the above. Ed needs to stop looking at the Dear Leader through rose colored lenses and projecting good intent. Obama and his ilk are after one tthing- power
bill30097 on November 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM
One of the things that the Dems/Libs/Progs do almost obsessively is to look in retrospect at something they did or said that was childish or irrational, and feeling rather goofy or sheepish about it, turn to whatever the Republicans or Conservatives have done or are doing and/or saying, and try to find the equivalent so that they can point to it and say “See, they do/did it too!”
For example: Bill Clinton was impeached because of a lie under oath. Subsequently, once GW Bush was in full swing as President, the mantra rang up loudly that “Bush lied,….”. As if practically screaming it for nearly 8 years would negate what Clinton did, or diminish it so that it was not nearly as important nor impactful.
Truth is that an embarrassingly large number of the Libs/Progs have been insane in their hatred of Bush, well earning the BDS tag.
Now, in retrospect, and feeling sheepish at such childishness, many of them are determined to prove somehow that they are not alone in such idiocy. Hence the attempt someway, anyway they can, to show that the Conservatives and Republicans can, are, and will exhibit the same type of childish, almost insane, type of reaction to PE Obama.
Silly, silly people. We are not the same, never have been, never will be. That’s why they have to go to such extremes, which is just more evidence of their inability to act as mature and reasonable and rational human beings.
Oh well. It is what it is, as RL so often says. ;-}
KendraWilder on November 11, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Ed, are you beginning to think that Obama Derangement Syndrome is real?
Egads, people I think we are in for a tough ride, but wow, it helps to be calm, collected, and constantly vigilant – not stark-raving lunatics.
(Sorry, my Troll Derangement Syndrome is hair-trigger sometimes.)
kybowexar on November 11, 2008 at 1:19 PM
I certainly agree with IrishSpy’s statement that Peanut Carter’s humility is fake. Peanut’s arrogance is precisely why he sabotaged the Shah of Iran, made it possible for Khomeini to take and keep hostages, gave away the Panama Canal, wrecked the economy, set the thermostats at 78 in summer, and why his daughter Amy sought the freak Abby Hoffmann as surrogate father figure. Now Peanut carries on that smug tradition by sucking up to Chavez, Castro, Kim Jung Il while still trying to screw Israel as he did the Shah.
That’s what scares me about Obambi. He has the same self-worship problem which led Peanut to screw the world up royally.
viking01 on November 11, 2008 at 1:19 PM
They felt the same way when Bush got into power. Remember their fears? Being drafted? The Patriot Act?
They were irrational. So is this.
Borderline? Wow. You really do like me, don’t you.
Esthier on November 11, 2008 at 1:19 PM
What he has is a cultish following which is all the real power he needs.
TheBigOldDog on November 11, 2008 at 1:19 PM
I think some of you really are missing the point. Nobody is saying Obama is the next Hitler.
The point Broun made was that his ‘National Civilian Security Force’ should be questioned before it is actually created and funded, maybe even stopped. It not even clear what it’s purpose will be. On the face of it, it will be useless and redundant since we already have it in many forms. So what is its purpose? who will join? Are they armed? What kind of power will the have? Can they arrest people? Will it be an Acorn-like group?
Seriously, you guys are not focused. By bickering about ODS and Hitler the whole time, he will put such organizations and policies through right under our noses that clearly would be detrimental to the country and its budget.
Indy928 on November 11, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Yes, but you can’t wait for Ed to do it..
Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM
This site is meant for people to express their opinions about political issues, including those that dissent. The opinion you quoted is no more appropriate for this site than one such as “LOL CHIMPY MCBUSHITLERBURTON!”.
Hey, that’s a contrary opinion as well! What is not opinion is that this is not a public forum. It’s a private website, where privilege to post may be taken away. The “right” you refer to only prevents the government from censoring speech, press, or thought. Know better before you quote.
Oh, and thank you for your service, on this day of all days.
MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Wow the media savages President Bush as dull and ill advised. They used to be able to blame Bush for everything. Now Barack Obama is the new solution to our problems. If and when he fails we cannot allow him and the democrat party to blame anyone but themselves. He is the new Messiah. He owns it all.
gringo69 on November 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I understand Canadians aren’t forced to study our history and government like we are, so you’re at a disadvantage, but what you’re missing is that we’re not Germany. We’re not a damn thing like it.
Esthier on November 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM
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