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The onset of ODS

posted at 10:50 am on November 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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For the past seven-plus years, the Left has suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome.  Well, actually, the rest of us have suffered from their embrace of BDS, which one might think would inoculate us from any related maladies.  As Jake Tapper notes, though, the onset of Obama Derangement Syndrome might prove that wrong:

We all remember “Bush derangement syndrome” — defined by Charles Krauthammer as “the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush.”

We already need a name for the reverse disorder.

Rep. Paul Broun, R-Georgia, recently said that he fears President-elect Obama may create a security force akin to the Gestapo to impose a Marxist dictatorship.

“It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he’s the one who proposed this national security force,” Broun told The Associated Press. “I’m just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may – may not, I hope not – but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism.”

Broun refers to this portion of a speech Obama gave in July in Colorado. The media dropped two sentences from its reporting of the speech, which set off critics when World Net Daily reported it:

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

At the time, Obama’s supporters claimed that he meant the Peace Corps and other volunteer organizations. That seems a stretch, but so does Broun’s interpretation of it. As I wrote at the time, the nation already has a number of non-military national security forces, including the FBI, ICE, Border Patrol, and so on. If we want to fund that better, many conservatives would agree, but not funding it to the same extent as the military. In the context of Obama’s remarks above, though, he fairly clearly meant to at least include a volunteer force in outreach within and outside the US as some sort of Department of Peace-like indirect boost to national security.

Nothing in that speech hints at a Gestapo-like organization at all. I’d agree that we have to remain vigilant at all times to ensure that the government doesn’t try to impose such a regime upon us, but this is an extremely thin reed to grasp for such a conclusion. Although I supported a freer hand at the NSA in monitoring communications with one end in the US for possible terrorist activities given the dangers we face in this era, it’s far easier for the government to turn that into a Gestapo than what Obama proposed.  That’s why I understood the Left’s opposition to it (as well as a small minority of conservatives) and thought reasonable safeguards against potential abuse were appropriate, as the eventual compromise in Congress provided.

If we plan to offer a rational alternative to the coming debacle of the next two years, then we’d better stick to facts and eschew hyperbole.  We need to oppose the reality of the radical agenda proposed by Obama and the Democratic majorities in Congress, not fantasies spun out of context-free snippets of speeches.  The more critics invoke Hitler and Stalin instead of Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Johnson, the better the reality of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi will seem in 2010.

Addendum: Also, can we please get rid of this canard?

“We can’t be lulled into complacency,” Broun said. “You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I’m not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I’m saying is there is the potential.”

No, he wasn’t.  Hitler was never elected to any office.  He became Chancellor because of a deal struck between political factions warring with each other in the twilight of Weimar Germany, appointed to the position by President von Hindenburg.  The Nazis never even won a majority in the Reichstag, and in fact lost seats in the last free elections before Hitler became Chancellor.  Unlike in most parliamentary systems, the executive in Germany did not need to hold a seat in the Reichstag.  The Weimar system never had the support of the German people, and the reversion to strong-man rule was almost inevitable.

And unlike Germany, we will get free elections in two years.  If we want to win majorities back, we’ll need to stop invoking Nazis at every turn.

Update: I’m going to add this here rather than reposting it every 50 comments or so in the thread.  Nothing in this post says we should refrain from criticizing Obama.  I’m just arguing that we have to stick to the facts rather than screeching historically inaccurate references to Nazis every time we disagree with Obama.  No one will have any credibility left if we all give into the impulse to act like the Kos Kiddies for the next two years.


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Michelle didn’t go visit his grandmother because she was white!!!!!
She HATES white people!

dinkyjackson on November 11, 2008 at 11:24 AM

ODS was written about before Christ was born:

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to be feared.” – Cicero, 42 B.C.

Only time will tell if Barry wants the US to succeed, but my tinfoil hat has been vibrating and spinning lately.

Dorvillian on November 11, 2008 at 11:24 AM

It might be wise to drop that assumption for now. He seems very focused, and could surprise you.

Big S on November 11, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Surprise? Sorry, don’t buy that for one minute. The thugs that he has picked so far is a good sign. A man with paper thin resume. That stutters and doesn’t keep one issue the same. I will keep an eye out. I will be ready. I don’t trust him, nor what his back ground is. He is not focused. You are you kidding?

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Michelle didn’t go visit his grandmother because she was white!!!!!
She HATES white people!

dinkyjackson on November 11, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Exactly!

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Viking01,

All good points. America has become Weimar Germany. The question is: does Obama fancy himself our savior? He has no respect for America’s “fundamental flaw” the Constitution. The situation is that Obama and the rest of the Democrats are only restrained by the question: can we get away with it? ODS or not, we have to keep on them and convince them the answer is still, NO!

Kalapana on November 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Yup. He is VERY focused. That is why all his plans were taken off change.gov. NEVER show your cards to the other players.

I will respect the office. I will watch the man.

Paying more taxes is not Patriotic. Standing up for this country and our heritage is.

kingsjester on November 11, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Obama is MUCH closer to a Juan Peron than a Hitler. Peron was elected, on a platform of respecting and helping the lower classes and redistributing the wealth of the oligarchs. He had a huge PR operation around him and a cult of personality, formed a new party with a new logo and slogans. Drew thousands to huge rallies. Convinced millions of Argentinians that their problems were caused by rich people. He made himself and his wife into symbols of the dreams of the lower classes. But then he did almost nothing to really improve their lives. Eventually his movement petered out and people got tired of the fascism once it led to political imprisonments and secret police.

Like I said, there are other examples of failed fascist and socialist regimes. Even Woodrow Wilson, as a commenter above noted. When you invoke Hitler, you lose the argument.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 11:27 AM

What’s this about Michelle not visiting the grandmother? That’s new info to me. Can someone fill me in, please.

jeanie on November 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Michelle didn’t go visit his grandmother because she was white!!!!!
She HATES white people!

dinkyjackson on November 11, 2008 at 11:24 AM

…sometimes I think Ed made this post just to prove that ODS has already taken hold, less than one week since the election.

So far, he’s more successful that even I would have expected.

Good lord. I hate open registration.

MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM

It’s not Obama’s fault that America voted for him and supports his policies. The problem is that Americans support policies that will hurt all of us. Attacking Obama personally does nothing to help other Americans understand why we should not support bad policies.

JohnJ on November 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Ed, you can’t make a living stoking a fire and encouraging people to throw wood on it and then warn people not to throw too much wood.

okonkolo on November 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM

I just want to know when people are going to start talking about the Illuminati and the Trilateral Commission. I also question how long it will take for paleocons to say “Obama is a secret Israeli double-agent as proven by his selection of Rahm Emanual as his chief of staff.”

Outlander on November 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM

If we want to win majorities back, we’ll need to stop invoking Nazis at every turn.

Ed is right. Invoking Stalinist Russia would be more appropriate.

And anyway:

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

Barry Goldwater

EnglishMike on November 11, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Then, what, pray tell, is the rationale for the national civilian police korps or whatever? How bout just funding our police and border services better? And, while we’re on the subject, since BHO wants to create WPA-type govt make-work jobs as a New New Deal, why not just beef up our military and its capabilities? We need to expand the ranks to meet 21st Century deployment objectives.

sladenyv on November 11, 2008 at 11:30 AM

. . .(though I am contemplating wearing black on Jan 20).

Sekhmet on November 11, 2008 at 11:03 AM

You’ve been marked as officially racist. Please report to the principal’s office.

/sarc

macummings on November 11, 2008 at 11:30 AM

It’s hard not to have ODS when he is odious.

MsGail61 on November 11, 2008 at 11:30 AM

It would be foolish to ignore Obama’s own words. I don’t think conservatives should behave as unhinged as liberals have for the past eight years, but we must remain vigilant and be ready to fight Obama, intelligently, whenever he takes an action that undermines America.

We cannot become timid about calling it like it is. I’ve been stunned by the reluctance of most of our leaders, or the media, to correctly recognize Obama’s beliefs as socialist, Marxist, or communist.

There will be a time in the not too distant future, when Obama’s apostles will start to question his infallibility. Buyer’s remorse will hit. We just can’t predict when or how much damage has been done before we get to that point.

Star20 on November 11, 2008 at 11:31 AM

The onset of ODS

ODS is already used for Operations Desert Storm/Shield. Especially on Veteran’s day, let’s not sully the troops by associating ODS with a rat bastard traitor who thinks nothing of betraying our troops in combat countless times.

BDS is nothing but paranoia by a bunch of hysterical liberal cowards. Obama hatred is real and for good reason.

highhopes on November 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM

What’s this about Michelle not visiting the grandmother? That’s new info to me. Can someone fill me in, please.

jeanie on November 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM

When osama went to visit his ailing grandmother a few weeks ago, the he/she Michelle didn’t go.

dinkyjackson on November 11, 2008 at 11:33 AM

The danger is if we focus too much on our foes we lose focus on what we really stand for.

That in the end should be our goal not this.

William Amos on November 11, 2008 at 11:33 AM

“They are good Americans who have a different idea of how things should be done.”

peacenprosperity on November 11, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Michelle and kids didn’t go to visit grandma. Remember all the breathless reports of sad Obama arriving alone. And a day or so later Michelle was speaking at a rally or some gathering saying ‘grandma is fine’. I saw that video myself but can’t relocate it. Intrepid googlers can find it. I don’t know why she and kids didn’t go given grandma was seriously ill – although after hearing Michelle’s comments I thought maybe she was out of danger or something – which eventually proved wrong of course.

saint on November 11, 2008 at 11:34 AM

dinkyjackson on November 11, 2008 at 11:33 AM

Can we ban this idiot?

Dash on November 11, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Where your theory falls flat, Ed, is Obama ≠ Bush.

Not at all.

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Good sane post.

Too bad the base will not be “real Americans”, think “country first” and not even give our new President a chance.

Not very patriotic, in my opinion.

Thank you to all Veterans on this Veterans Day.

God bless.

getalife on November 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Star20 – I think the only reason that McCain’s defeat was not one of Mondale proportions was because of Joe the Plumber and Republicans finally talking about socialism. It clearly struck a nerve with Obama’s camp because they thought they had really put one over on the electorate. Now they now that 56 million Americans are on to them.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM

OK, but I will still refer to him as Chimpy-Obama-McAcorn and have ordered my 1-22-2012 and Impeach Hussein bumper stickers!

Alden Pyle on November 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM

And, while we’re on the subject, since BHO wants to create WPA-type govt make-work jobs as a New New Deal, why not just beef up our military and its capabilities? We need to expand the ranks to meet 21st Century deployment objectives.

sladenyv on November 11, 2008 at 11:30 AM

This might be an area in which Republicans could make headway in the Obama administration. Aside from the military, there are likely to be significant new investments in infrastructure (rail, ports, roads, bridges, etc.) here in the USA. Republicans should expect an argument over the targeting of funds and the method of selection of contractors, and should come prepared with a plan.

Big S on November 11, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Can we ban this idiot?

Dash on November 11, 2008 at 11:34 AM

I would hope so. Referring to the president-elect’s wife as “he/she” is bottom of the barrel.

And the relevance of this post continues…

MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:36 AM

We cannot become timid about calling it like it is. I’ve been stunned by the reluctance of most of our leaders, or the media, to correctly recognize Obama’s beliefs as socialist, Marxist, or communist.

Well if our leaders act like the Vichey French government, the conservative base needs to become an underground resistance movement- slapping down Obama’s agenda whenever and however necessary.

One tactic that certainly should be part of the strategy is constantly bringing up Obama’s unsavory associations. First target, get rid of Emanuel as the Chief of Staff by continually bringing up Emanual’s associations with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Make the bastard radioactive to an administration already distrusted by many through simply pointing out that those closest to the President were also responsible for bringing down the global economy.

highhopes on November 11, 2008 at 11:37 AM

It’s not Obama’s fault that America voted for him and supports his policies. The problem is that Americans support policies that will hurt all of us. Attacking Obama personally does nothing to help other Americans understand why we should not support bad policies.

JohnJ on November 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM

I didn’t vote for That Man. I never fell for his rhetoric. Just showed me how much poison some So called American’s have. Ignorance abundant. But, you have a good point, in it doesn’t help other Americans to understand why we should not support bad policies. That I agree with. But, it is in a way not a fault. But just plain ignorance.

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:37 AM

No, he wasn’t. Hitler was never elected to any office.

Interesting. I saw a documentary about the very election that elected the Nazi party into office.

carbon_footprint on November 11, 2008 at 11:39 AM

Thanks for info. Did not know this. And the kids did not go either? How odd!!And O apparently did not insist that the kids go even if his wife didn’t? Odder still. Guess we are sure now who runs that family. Did Michelle give any reasons?

jeanie on November 11, 2008 at 11:40 AM

There is no valid comparison between Bush and Obama.

Bush didn’t call for crippling taxes and the redistribution of wealth; Bush didn’t recommend establishing a well-armed political police force; Bush’s minister didn’t state that God should damn America; Bush was not a close associate of a known, unrepentant terrorist; Bush did not evolve from a shady past that to this day has not been adequately vetted; etc., etc. etc. No, don’t try to rationalize Obama’s behavior in terms of Bush because there is no similarity. It appears to me that some in this country are in serious state of denial.

rplat on November 11, 2008 at 11:40 AM

I find this to be pretty damn insulting, to be honest.

While I appreciate and WANT historical perspective on this, such as the conditions which brought the rise of such neat figures like Stalin, Hitler, etc., and they really are comforting, Obama’s very acquaintances and their ambitions for this country create a disconcerting picture indeed.

The left NEVER wants free speech unless it is theirs and, frankly, pornographic or anti Christian. we guard jealously our freedoms here in America as unique in the world and when we hear something off like a CIVILIAN SECURITY FORCE on the heels of learning Ayers REAL plan of executing millions of American’s who were pro capitalist in the 60’s, when we see the subtle subversion in our public schools and the propaganda wing of the media, um, SORRY…Id rather err on the side of vigilance ANY FREAKING DAY than sit by while my son and daughter’s country is trampled in more ways than one.

He is a flaming Marxist. They are racist America haters and surround themselves in kind. All the while, there are forces who absolutely need NEED America out of the way to achieve aims, so, sorry if I am a bit skeptical and freaked out by the things within HIS OWN PAST and FROM HIS OWN MOUTH.

I am proud of this governor and told him so. Let Obama prove us WRONG. did not vote for him for these reasons the media refused to comment on.

Mommypundit on November 11, 2008 at 11:41 AM

The other BDS

aengus on November 11, 2008 at 11:41 AM

It might have been nice if our MSM betters had developed a need to ferret out irrational anti-president hysteria at any point in the last eight years.

Better late then never, though, right? I’m sure all the concern now is rooted in principal, right?

Right?

Kensington on November 11, 2008 at 11:41 AM

No, Ed, you have it wrong. Our opponents won because they had BDS and invoked the aura of the Nazis at every turn. They’ve shown us how to win, which is to do the opposite of what Teddy Roosevelt said and tear down the accomplishments of your adversary at every turn, and to be a demagogue.

Turnabout is fair play. For example, let’s see what Obama does about Gitmo. Whatever he does is to be painted as wrong. Keep it open — he’s just like Bush — close it — wait for the first AQ strike that succeeds and blame it on Obama closing Gitmo. Let’s make sure he closes Bagram too. The guy cannot win. He ran as the anti-Bush. Well, Bush kept this country safe through more than seven years of war. What can the anti-Bush do to better that? End the war? The other side doesn’t want that. Bambi loses. No preconditions — he loses.

On the finance side, all those Freddie Mac people coming on board the new Administration are big ripe targets. And when you target them, you target Obama. The rise of the Federal Chicago Machine. Dead voter walking.

That’s the message. We are not safer. We are not better off. We are not nicer. Keep the drumbeat up. If we do it right, the far left will join with us for a good part of the march.

The electorate has, with this election, shown how it can be manipulated. We just have to do the manipulating. We don’t even have to have an agenda — or, if we do, we just have to make it disappear right after the election.

Sometimes I do feel like calling Obama “chimpy”. After all, wasn’t that the BDS guys’ favorite name for Mr. Bush? I wonder how the cartoonists who made Bush into a chimp are going to portray Mr. Obama as his gaffes keep on coming? This is gonna be a rather interesting four years.

Oh, by any chance did Obama celebrate his zeroth birthday in the Marines a couple of days ago? He wore the shirt — he must be a Marine! When he’s President, he can award himself a medal for winning that pickup game. [He does win them all, doesn't he?]

There’s one good thing about all this. Those Kerry-Edwards bumper stickers have finally disappeared.

Snark off. For the moment.

unclesmrgol on November 11, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Sorry, I meant representative. Not gov.

Mommypundit on November 11, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Michelle Obama doesn’t believe in race mixing. That is all. I hope my Baby Brother and his beautiful Wife don’t ever become targets. Some feel this way. Sadly my older sister is that way. People have the right to feel the way they do. I for one believe that love is love. Color shouldn’t matter. That is why she didn’t go with BO.

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:44 AM

“Dale in Atlanta on November 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM”

Hear, hear!

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM

The problem with Obama is that we have no idea what kind of an executive he’ll be. We know he’ll do or say anything to get power. Problem is, now that he has power, we don’t know what he’ll do with it.

spmat on November 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM

BDS is nothing but paranoia by a bunch of hysterical liberal cowards. Obama hatred is real and for good reason.

highhopes on November 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM

BDS started out with a notion that Bush stole the election in 2000. Since he did lose the popular vote, it’s pretty understandable that those who did not vote for him were upset that they actually ended up losing that election by 537 votes in Florida. Everything that Bush did after assuming office was filtered by the extreme Bush-haters through that prism – that his actions were suspect because he was not a “legitimately elected” president.

Where they veered off into derangement territory was continuing to try to unearth evidence that Bush was AWOL in the National Guard, that he is still drinking, that he is a moron and Karl Rove was his “brain”, that he engineered 9/11, that he lied us into a war in Iraq just to make millions for Halliburton, etc. The analogy for our side is to continue on this Ahab-like search for Obama’s “real” birth certificate, to claim that George Soros engineered the financial meltdown to make sure Obama was elected, that Obama’s marriage is a sham, and that Obama is some kind of Muslim Manchurian Candidate.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 11:46 AM

There’s one good thing about all this. Those Kerry-Edwards bumper stickers have finally disappeared.

Not entirely. There is still one in my neighborhood. Think I’ll leave my McCain sticker on, just to be cool :)

Karen_VA on November 11, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Any similarities to the Nightwatch of Babylon 5?

secretfire on November 11, 2008 at 11:46 AM

We can be critical of Obama and the democrats without using demonization tactics. Evoking Hitler or Stalin or Communism doesnt win us elections.

We can however pick apart our oponents agendas and attack thier policies. The only reason Obama’s policies went unchallenged is that they havent been tried in almost 50 years. It looks NEW to people because most of them havent been alive when it was first tried.

I am old enough to have seen first hand what the economic cost of liberalism has been. It will fail within two years because America has gotten too use to be prosperous. There is nothing that can sustain a prolonged Social growth of the US government without impoverishing its people.

IF the US even starts to turn into what England and France is now there will be a great backlash among people who are too use to finding their own way rather than waiting in a government line.

William Amos on November 11, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Department of Peace-like indirect boost to national security…? And that doesn’t give you pause Ed? We’re getting a bit Orwellian here. The FBI, ICE, and other agencies like that, including the Police, are not civilian entities.

While I don’t believe he meant a Gestapo-esque force, I think it a bit naive that he’s not considering some sort of “everyone serves when called upon” force.

Taking this in light with his compulsory (then changed) public service requirement for students, it is not a far reach to think he’s going for a similar system as is in place in China or the old USSR, where every able-bodied man was considered to be in the military.

While we shouldn’t over react to every theory, it is prudent to remain vigilant and expect anything from a president we know precious little about.

postaldog on November 11, 2008 at 11:47 AM

You can google: Charlie Rangel draft no college deferments.

Here is where he was introducing a bill back in Nov 2006. The Republicans were blocking a DRAFT. The Democrats have the Majority now.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/11/19/152217/04

Here is the Article from Oct 13th Obama, thinks women should have to sign up for the DRAFT too.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77875

All those College Kids voted for Obama. “There is an old saying be careful what you wish for”

This is what we have been discussing on Imus Truth. I don’t have ODS. I am trying to figure out how he is going to implement his agenda.

Bring the Draft back, No college deferments, No gender bias for signing up for selective service…I am beginning to take a shine to this Obama guy.

Hey kids Barack Obama is soo kool, you were right!

Dr Evil on November 11, 2008 at 11:47 AM

why waste time going after Obama’s detractors,let his supporters do that. Use your time to go after Obama on substance and political issues. I didn’t see president-elect Obama condemning the people who used Palin’s special needs baby. Yeah he took the high road and said “family is off limits” All the while others did the brutal and horrifying dirty work for him. Did he ever call Kos and Sullivan out by name for their horrendous behavior?

rob verdi on November 11, 2008 at 11:47 AM

“While I appreciate and WANT historical perspective on this, such as the conditions which brought the rise of such neat figures like Stalin, Hitler, etc., and they really are comforting, Obama’s very acquaintances and their ambitions for this country create a disconcerting picture indeed.”

Ed is essentially being a coward, but he doesn’t realize it. He thinks he’s being reasonable, but it’s reasonable men who let tyrants arise.

Those who love Ed will jump up now and defend him and demand my banning, etc., but things are what they are.

In any case, we’ll find out the truth in the years to come. I certainly believe Obama must be opposed.

Obama ≠ Jimmy Carter either

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM

I am proud of this governor and told him so. Let Obama prove us WRONG. did not vote for him for these reasons the media refused to comment on.

Mommypundit on November 11, 2008 at 11:41 AM

That is how I see it. Finally, a Gov. speaks up. And it is actually on MSM. What a shock. Now it gives me a tad bit comfort. So, all we can do is watch, and listen. I will be on guard, but I will keep living. Hopefully without fear.

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM

We already have a civilian national security force. They’re called conservatives.

kongzilla on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM

The problem with these derangement syndromes is that it makes you stupid mad. I mean have you ever watched 2 kids play say tennis and one gets mad because of a bad bounce or something? Even if the angry kid was general a better player when he gets mad he gets sloppy and impatient and actually becomes easier to beat. (Which often results in a spiral of getting madder and stupider and sloppier and easier to beat.) The whole reason to avoid ODS is while it might fire you up it’s more likely to make you so stupid and sloppy that you’re actually easier to beat. (It didn’t help the liberals and it won’t help the repubs either.)

Dave_d on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Ed is essentially being a coward…

Those who love Ed will jump up now and defend him and demand my banning, etc…

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM

I WONDER WHY?

MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:50 AM

I WONDER WHY?

MadisonConservative on November 11, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Probably because I said I believe Ed and your “reasonableness” is essentially cowardice, and it is the type of cowardice that has let dictators arise throughout history.

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Well, I see it a bit differently. I admit, I have been freaking out. After reading his post, it made me think. What good is it to freak out? I will not forget or keep my guard down. But to get the Conservative Party to come back. That is what I want. Then I have to calm down. Doesn’t mean I won’t keep researching, reading and listening to events. Fear does bring hate. Hate is not like me to have. I can see how Ed is seeing it. We have to live and go on. Have to hope our jobs are still there. Have to keep our homes etc. Just depends on how one can concept.

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:52 AM

We already have a civilian national security force. They’re called conservatives. kongzilla on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM

heh

Mojave Mark on November 11, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Obama May Keep Broad Covert Action Authority

Obama already has telegraphed his willingness to exercise those powers if he deems them necessary.

Obama said in an August speech that he would target high-value terrorists in Pakistan without that government’s permission.

“If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and if President Musharraf won’t act, we will

But I thought that the left had been crying that it was these types of actions by the US that caused the world to hate us. That we were supposed to work in conjunction with the countries of the world, not force our foreign policy upon them. That is of course, unless the high value targets are us who “hold onto our religion and guns.”

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covert_action_obama/2008/11/

Above comment from Imus Truth Website.
We are really interested on Imus Truth about how Obama will accomplish say a civilian security force, and “volunteer” community service. This guy ain’t dumb. You know his wife warned everyone, she said “Barack is not going to let you go back to your lives as usual”

Giggling!

Dr Evil on November 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM

it’s pretty understandable that those who did not vote for [Bush] were upset that they actually ended up losing that election by 537 votes in Florida.

It really isn’t, and I’m tired of conceding this ground to these cretinous children. We have an electoral system in place, and it worked in 2000. Bush didn’t steal the election, and only immaturity, foolishness and intellectual dishonesty could support the Left’s ridiculous take on what happened there.

Even if some disappointment were reasonable, these imbeciles held onto it, nurtured it and wielded it like a cudgel for eight solid years, and will forever insist upon it as the driving narrative of the Bush presidency.

We’re talking about rotten people who make the world a worse place than it would otherwise be.

Kensington on November 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM

“Well, I see it a bit differently. I admit, I have been freaking out. After reading his post, it made me think. What good is it to freak out? I will not forget or keep my guard down. But to get the Conservative Party to come back. That is what I want. Then I have to calm down. Doesn’t mean I won’t keep researching, reading and listening to events.”

sheebe, I’m glad you’re not naive, but Winston Churchill, in essence, freaked out. His freak-out eventually saved free civilization.

I don’t believe Obama is Hitler, for what it’s worth, although he uses lot of the same type of devices (symbols) of power and is a megalomaniac. I think philosophically he’s more Lenin, but Lenin was actually less comfortable with the personality cult that grew up around him than Obama, strangely enough.

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 11:55 AM

What seems ‘over the top’ now might not seem so in four or eight years. Hate to bring Hitler up again, but he was ridiculed when he first appeared on the German political scene – and we know how that ended up.

And remember, Alinksy preached the tactic of ridiculing your opponents so that no-one takes them seriously?

Example:

What? Obama is friends with a terrorist? Come on!

EnglishMike on November 11, 2008 at 11:56 AM

We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

King Obama

At the time, Obama’s supporters claimed that he meant the Peace Corps and other volunteer organizations. That seems a stretch…

Ed

Ya think, Ed? Since when is the effing Peace Corps a “national security force”? You then jump to the FBI, ICE, and Border Patrol being part of his proposed “civilian national security force”.

I do not think that’s what he was saying. Do you?

Jaibones on November 11, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Dr Evil on November 11, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Thank you Dr Evil. I couldn’t find that article. I don’t think that many that voted for The One, knows this. They argue and say it isn’t true.

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Our progressive bloggers feels the need to maintain a moderate decorum on the site, even if it means deflecting criticism of Obama. You see, some conservatives, as we have discovered as of late, like to keep things very centrist. That is their comfort zone. Go to the right of that, and they get uneasy. And while the comment section is prefaced with a disclaimer that says that just because comments stand, the management does not necessarily approve of them, they don’t really believe that themselves. They know that just as they hold the left wing blogs responsible for their comments, they will be pilloried in return. It’s a game. And the name of the game is to be respected and popular in this gentlemen’s club – a respect they fear they will lose if they entertain a narrative of Obama the closet muslim, or Obama the closet fascist/Marxist/totalitarian. Those narratives are no-go areas.

The blogging community is no different than that of the media. It is media. Internet media. And bloggers are like anchormen, some use their real names, some use pen names. Either way, they are afraid that they might be marginalized by the other members of this gentlemen’s club I call the MSB, or Mainstream Bloggers. Indeed, just as there is the mainstream media, and its bias, there is also a mainstream blogging community, and they too, have to maintain a certain spin on things. Thus, when someone notices that Obama has certain characteristics in his pronouncements that are strangely fascist-like, certain bloggers feel that they are best served by eschewing any such notion for fear that to entertain such narratives themselves, would be to marginalize them in the eyes of fellow bloggers in the MSB, and MSM. In other words, regardless of how true some of these allusions to fascism may be, they are not really welcome on Hotair.

That is what passes for conservatism today, not just with conservative pundits in the media, but with conservative bloggers as well. Somehow, centrism becomes a virtue in and of itself. Criticize Obama, the protocol prescribes, just don’t invoke any notion of totalitarian leaders, even if it might be true. (for our opponents did the same about Bush, and we don’t want to be compared to them.)

However, as my favorite conservative, Barry Goldwater, noted, Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Some of us may be extreme in our defense of liberty, but that is not a fault. For those that believe that Obama, and those odious characters in orbit around him, do indeed present a threat to liberty, there is no virtue in moderating our views. If we are wrong about Obama, we were vigilant. If we were right, we were vanguards. But by the time we will know for sure if we are right, it will be too late to sound the alarm.

keep the change on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I remember the Carter years. They were not fun at all. In fact, they stank on ice. But, we made it through. People can be slow, but as soon as the POTUS-Elect starts implementing his agenda, the populace will start waking up. Barry, Nancy, Harry, and the gang will try to shove their plans down our throats and the American people will not like it.

It is all on the wheel: What goes around, comes around.

kingsjester on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

He made himself and his wife into symbols of the dreams of the lower classes.

So, will Madonna play Michelle in the musical?

oldleprechaun on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

He must not be given a chance to catch his breath. We need to hit him hard on EVERY issue before this training wheels president elect can get his bearings.

EVERY nominee must be scrutinized like Joe the Plumber and disemboweled with false rumors like Palin. EVERY executive order and initiative must be shown as the covert / overt creep of a radical socialist agenda from this tool. Every public appearance needs to be crashed by crowds of angry Americans screaming “IMPEACH OBAMA!”. Every attempt he makes to look dignified needs to be associated with a Thug Thizzle.

The left showed that if you take a decent man and replace his eyes with swasticker signs over and over again, eventually the people belive it to be true. We need to return the favor and begin doing so before he even takes office, so by the time midterms come around there will be crowds of former Obamatrons at the Whitehouse gates with pitchforks and torches.

Alden Pyle on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

Congressman Broun is RIGHT to sound the alarm here. The U.S. military spends most of its money on weapons, not personnel, because aircraft carriers, fighter jets, helicopter gunships, and tanks are much more expensive then supplying soldiers with food and ammo.

But if a “civilian national security force” was “just as well-funded” as the American military, it could employ far more personnel–probably 3 to 4 million, since the Government would only need to provide salaries, rifles, ammunition, and body armor–they could buy food and other supplies on the civilian market. Imagine a society where more than one person in 100 was an armed member of the American KGB, in service to Big Brother Barack, ready to haul those 46% of Winston Smiths who voted for McCain off to Room 101 full of rats, or worse.

We need to remember: Barack Obama trained thugs in Chicago to intimidate bank officers into giving loans to insolvent borrowers. He tried to incite law enforcement officials in Missouri to prosecute those who spoke ill of Obama. he sent Secret Service agents to harrass a woman who refused to contribute to Obama’s campaign during a call to her cell phone in a car. Two couples in Missouri found $2,300 contributions to the Obama campaign charged without their permission. There are reports of his supporters bullying supporters of Hillary Clinton at the Democrat caucuses. Black Panthers were preventing Republicans from entering voting booths in Philadelphia.

Does anyone see a pattern here? Barack Obama has not hesitated to hire thugs in the past, and now he proposes a 3-million-man “civilian national security force”, and he will soon be President!

Are you ready for the American Kristallnacht?

Steve Z on November 11, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Please note that neither Ed in his post nor I in my comments have suggested that it is deranged to continue to examine Barack Obama’s known associations with people like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and Rashid Khalidi and Tony Rezko. It is not deranged to take the man’s own words in his books and campaign speeches seriously, and to view his appointments and his policy agenda with an assumption that he is a socialist at heart, and possibly a fascist. He is no centrist, he did not campaign as a centrist, and in my view people who think he will govern as a centrist are delusional. There is simply no evidence of that anywhere in his life or his words. It is not deranged to continue to dig for the truth about ACORN and Obama’s long association with it.

It is derangement to compare Obama to Hitler.

It is derangement to continue on wild goose chases to try to prove that Obama isn’t an American citizen or that he is secretly a Muslim and is doing the bidding of radical Muslims to destroy America.

It is derangement to claim that Michelle Obama hates white people.

If you believe this stuff and want to continue, you belong in the John Birch Society and should be reading WorldNetDaily and not HotAir.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 11:58 AM

“No, he wasn’t. Hitler was never elected to any office. He became Chancellor because of a deal struck between political factions warring with each other in the twilight of Weimar Germany, appointed to the position by President von Hindenburg.”

I think if the election were fairly evaluated and all illegal votes thrown out, we would see that Obamessiah was not elected either. The deal struck in our case is between the media and the messiah. You are becoming one of them. I am truly disappointed. It is not hyperbole to fear this man. How anybody with his stunning lack of character and credential could be elected without so much as a whimper of incredulty from the media points to something much more sinister than we can see through the haze of his presence.

Tmac52 on November 11, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Sorry Ed, but ODS will rage on unabated. “The Boss” is one of the biggest offenders…a quick glance at any given time at mm.com makes that abundantly clear. Check out some of the unhinged posts in this thread. Nutjob far left = nutjob far right unfortunately.

dakine on November 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Michelle Obama doesn’t believe in race mixing.

Wait until she discovers that her husband is half-white!

YYZ on November 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM

I have given up on any hope for good things to come from the left. That includes reason, decency, fairness and logic. Probably most of the things Obama has said he would do will never get done, and that may include his American KGB. But I fully believe that if the left thought they could consolidate their power and prevent ever being threatned by another election, they would do it. I plan to give them not a bit more benefit of the doubt than they gave Bush.

Hope for the best and plan for the worst. Keep your ammo dry and your options open.

MikeA on November 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Hey rockmom, if Michelle doesn’t hate white people, then the pope ain’t Catholic.

Tmac52 on November 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Vigilance with civility is the key. Name calling only marginalizes your/our attempt at being heard or taken seriously. “his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.”

thomasaur on November 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Yet Michelle is good friends with Terry Kerry(never can resist that rhyme LOL) and hubby is half white though that fact seems lost in the shuffle. Obama, himself, relies on a lot of white people to get him through his staggering lack of qualfication. I do believe that Michelle is, at heart, racist but is too pragmatic to allow that to stand in the way of her goals. Perhaps there is another reason why grandma was on the schitzen list? In any case, I see the whole grandma incident as a very telling factor in the Obama marriage and Barack’s personal values.

jeanie on November 11, 2008 at 12:01 PM

However, as my favorite conservative, Barry Goldwater, noted, Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Some of us may be extreme in our defense of liberty, but that is not a fault. For those that believe that Obama, and those odious characters in orbit around him, do indeed present a threat to liberty, there is no virtue in moderating our views. If we are wrong about Obama, we were vigilant. If we were right, we were vanguards. But by the time we will know for sure if we are right, it will be too late to sound the alarm.

Hear, hear, keep the change!

Even Ronald Reagan in his speech at the Goldwater convention called the Democrats what they are philosophically at their core (the behind the scenes people, the philosophers): Marxists, Leninists, and Communists.

I know Reagan said this. I heard his words. It’s on tape.

The leftists within that party have made great strides. They are within striking distance.

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:01 PM

And I ain’t done…

BDS was found on two gigantic lies: the lie of the ’stolen election’, and the lie that Bush lied to take the US into war.

ODS is a response to Obama’s words and deeds to date, all of which are easily verified. And we need a new name for it, because there’s very little about it that’s ‘deranged’.

How about ‘Obama Reality Syndrome’?

EnglishMike on November 11, 2008 at 12:01 PM

It’s pretty sad to see otherwise intelligent people become P.C. and controlled by their emotions at the sound of the dreaded H-word used in a soundbite which by definition is going to lack support. And the quibbling over Hitler’s election process completely missed the point. Here’s a much better example of intellectual discourse on the subject for the people who aren’t already cowering and quivering in political fear.

Equating anyone to Hitler by highlighting the similarities between the two is a logical fallacy. This fallacy, known as reductio ad Hitlerum is a variety of both questionable cause and association fallacy. I believe it is wrong to trivialize the holocaust and the horrors of Nazism by comparing our opponents to Hitler.

However, Hitler, prior to coming to power had not killed anyone. He was insane, but few could see that. Far from it, he was seen as a gifted man and hailed as the savior of Germany. He was admired throughout the world. He appealed to the masses of people – the working class and particularly to women, and did not just inspire them, he “elevated” them. Thousands rallied to listen to his passionate speeches. They shed tears when he spoke. Women fainted during his speeches. To Germans, he was not a politician, but a demigod, a messiah. They envisioned him as truly a magical figure of majestic wisdom and glory. They worshiped him. They surrendered their wills to him. He restored their national pride. He projected himself as their savior. He ran on the platform of change and hope. Change he delivered all right, but hopes he shattered.

I think it is fair to say that the Illinois senator puts the same passion in his speeches that Hitler used to put in his, and he evokes similar raw emotions in his audience. This much we can agree. Okay, we can also agree that both Hitler and Charlie Chaplin wore square moustaches. So what?

econavenger on November 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM

saint on November 11, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Still no funeral no death certificate to prove the day the poor lady died.

driver on November 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM

I certainly don’t think Michelle hates white people – that’s derangement. However, as her college thesis showed, she has a huge chip on her shoulder.

And she probably hates conservatives.

EnglishMike on November 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM

kingsjester, Obama isn’t Carter.

Was Carter a charismatic megalomaniac with his own self-created power symbols who associates with terrorists who attacked the Pentagon and went to a church for 20 years that talks about America as a force for evil, or a liberal-leaning Annapolis educated former U.S. navy officer and business owner?

Answer that question. Honestly.

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Alden Pyle on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I agree with you. I’m considering what kind of conservative street theater we can use during the Inaugural. The BDS crowd crashed both of Bush’s inaugurals with horrible hate speech and protests. I’m thinking that we should instead show up in masses chained together with duct tape over our mouths, or pretending to be unemployed beggars and demanding that the rich liberals share their wealth with us immediately.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

I’ve been inoculated against ODS with ORC (Obama Reality Check). I got ahead of the line so I could avoid the rush later.

I agree conjuring up the ghost of Hitler is not useful to the discussion. And I also believe that we need to keep a very good eye on Obama and his plans and Pelosi and her plans and where the two plans join in the trail to building a permanent majority thru recruitment of youth and minorities into their party.

I remember that speech and I also remember my mind flashing back to just what Obama did with Ayres and his Foundation as the community organizer who while using a grant intended for schools, directed funding into community-based organizations for the purposes of radicalizing youth. As some one who spent my professional career interfacing with minority community-based organizations, I can tell you the territory is primed. I also remember the shock that was expressed when Rev. Wright burst onto the scene and thinking.. good grief, where have you people been? I know a lot of Rev. Wrights and have personal experience with their prophets.

As you rightly point out Ed, we already have numerous civilian-based organizations and we already have a civilian national security force called the National Guard, who by charter is responsible to the State Governor for a reason.

I think the peek into what Obama’s vision is … is that little bit about his civilian national security force being funded to the level of our entire military. That doesn’t sound like a volunteer force to me. And let’s remember that Obama never tied this idea to his plan to give college education to those who volunteer with community service, including working in homeless shelters. Those seem to be two very different plans. And he never came back and mentioned his civilian national security force again after that speech received such scrutiny.

I’m not being a conspiracy nut here. I’m just saying there were a lot of curtains pulled during the campaign to hide the true intent of Obama’s plans when they didn’t fly over the heads of the other 46% of the population.

Did you see any of that bit of Team Obama (Axelrod et al) on 60 Minutes last weekend? It was very enlightening and disturbing.

Texas Gal on November 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Jewish voters have already been fooled. Only a week after the election.

Obama and Biden are already raising money for 2010 while conservatives are still bickering. The minimum required is a capitalist alternative, which will preserve the constitution. You need to find a coalition broad enough to include the libertarians and christianists.

Otherwise conservatism is dead … John Derbyshire thinks it may be 30+ years (or never) before another opportunity like the Reagan years comes along and so does Tom Sowell.

The core strength of the opposition is the media, the academy, and the nouveau riche. Keep that in mind.

gh on November 11, 2008 at 12:05 PM

No, he wasn’t. Hitler was never elected to any office.

I think you’re splitting historical hairs, here, Ed. Hitler was never elected per se, but his ascension to power used the democratic mechanisms of the Weimar constitution and, while the Nazis did indeed lose seats in the November, 1932, election, they were by far the largest party in the Reichstag and a technically legitimate (if morally abhorrent) contender to form a government. And people voted for the Nazis knowing that Hitler would head the government. The sad fact is Hitler and the Nazis came to power by exploiting the democratic system while planning to destroy it.

Not that I don’t agree with you that some people are already going over the top with ODS, but the congressman was correct in all but the most technical sense that Hitler was “elected.”

As for the “civilian security force,” (a crack squad of community organizers?) I view that with strong suspicion. Not only did Hitler have the SA and SS, but Leftist authoritarians have regularly created parallel armies to counter the influence of the military: Allende and Chavez come to mind. Not that I think this is what Obama has in mind, nor do I think the state of the republic is anywhere near that parlous (I’ll leave that to the black helicopter crowd), but his words were what they were and they raised my hackles. I want a lot more clarification on this.

irishspy on November 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM

…certain bloggers feel that they are best served by eschewing any such notion for fear that to entertain such narratives themselves, would be to marginalize them in the eyes of fellow bloggers in the MSB, and MSM.

keep the change on November 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Well I’m glad you cleared that up. Because here I was, thinking that Ed Morrissey wrote this post because it truly reflects his personal views.

Now because of your overweeningly self-righteous – nay, noble – comment, I know that Ed can only be motivated only by the promise of popularity among his cliquey peers.

Sticking to facts and eschewing hyperbole is for losers!

Gilda on November 11, 2008 at 12:07 PM

As you rightly point out Ed, we already have numerous civilian-based organizations and we already have a civilian national security force called the National Guard, who by charter is responsible to the State Governor for a reason.

I think the peek into what Obama’s vision is … is that little bit about his civilian national security force being funded to the level of our entire military. That doesn’t sound like a volunteer force to me. And let’s remember that Obama never tied this idea to his plan to give college education to those who volunteer with community service, including working in homeless shelters. Those seem to be two very different plans. And he never came back and mentioned his civilian national security force again after that speech received such scrutiny.

I’m not being a conspiracy nut here. I’m just saying there were a lot of curtains pulled during the campaign to hide the true intent of Obama’s plans when they didn’t fly over the heads of the other 46% of the population.

Did you see any of that bit of Team Obama (Axelrod et al) on 60 Minutes last weekend? It was very enlightening and disturbing.

Texas Gal on November 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Hear, hear.

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM

And unlike Germany, we will get free elections in two years. If we want to win majorities back, we’ll need to stop invoking Nazis at every turn.

How is an election where one candidate likely got millions of dollars in illegal campaign contributions, had ACORN and other organizations actively committing voter fraud, and had a one sided media entirely reminiscent of the works of the “Union of Journalists” working for Pravda and other organs of the Soviet Union acting to cover for one candidate and attack the other a “free” election?!? The choice of words on the part of Rep. Broun may leave him open to criticism, but that doesn’t mean the primary idea behind the comments was wrong. This whole notion of “taking the high road” or being a “compassionate conservative” does nothing for conservatism. Nothing! All it is is weakness. If people actually believe that Socialism is damaging, abortion is murder, and weakening our national defenses in the face of Islamic extremism is dangerous and seditious, then these “ideas” and “policies” must be opposed as forcefully as legally possible. I didn’t spend two years in Iraq, puting my life on the line for my country, just to return and see our nation hand a faux election to an enemy of America (in it’s current and historical form) and have other “conservatives” pay lip service to fighting our enemies (here at home) in a vigerous manner. There are no longer “differences of opinion” between the left and right. If both ACTUALLY had the best interest of America as their top priority, then yes, but this is no longer the case. Whenever the left has to decide between supporting and defending America or not, they ALWAYS choose our enemies over us (Haditha, Gitmo, wiretapping, etc.). Liberals want recognition of foreign courts ONLY because they know the decisions of these courts will act to weaken America in its current form. I could go on and on. Is there anyone here who honestly believes that Obama wouldn’t make our nation fully Socialist, make personal ownership of firearms illegal, and remove all restrictions on abortion, etc. if he didn’t have the (little) Republican opposition that exists? Saying that there is just a difference of opinion between the left and right in today’s environment is like saying the (ready Ed?) Jews and Nazis just had a difference of opinion. It stops becomming opinion on my part when it can be shown empirically. This is the real problem: the checks and balances that have existed previously either no longer exist or are currently being erroded. Imagine this…there are two football teams. Anytime either of them scores they get to change a part of the game. Whenever the conservative team scores, they simply take actions to improve the game for players and fans. When the liberal team scores they make changes that ensure it will be easier for them to “win” in the future. In our society today the liberal team has brought in refs who will always make calls in their favor, they have brough in their own fans and barred fans of the conservative team, and they have removed the pads and helmets from the conservative team members. If the game itself had been left alone, it would just be a battle of ability in a framework of uniform rules for both sides. This no longer exists in America. Conservatives (and I’m not referencing Rep. Broun in this next comment) shouldn’t be condemned as demagogues or conspiracy theorists when they claim that there is no longer a free press acting as it should in America, or they claim that America is becoming a Socialist nation, or even when they claim Obama is an enemy of America, because he is. The longer it takes other “conservatives” to realize this and do something about it, it very well could be too late. Time for SERIOUS action is right now. Ignoring or covering up the problem is moving us in the wrong direction (i.e. compassionate conservatives are impeding progress). Why is it that “conservatives” mock liberals for appeasing terrorists or being concerned with why they became terrorists in the first place, yet when they are deciding how best to fight our domestic enemy they demand we all act fair and nice and not fight as aggressively as we possibly can to stop them? Grow a backbone people!

davenp35 on November 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM

I disagree with Ed. Just think if Bush had suggested a “Civilian National Security Force” and how many people would be convinced that second coming of the 3rd Reich. Broun clearly explained why he brought up the Nazi’s to get a point across and I completely understand and agree with him. Is it too hard to think about this one a little deeper than whats on the surface? Or from now on, you will say people have ODS. I think we should focus on those that “follow” Obama than those who dissent.

With Obama, I don’t think we need to worry about any ‘ODS’, but definitely there will be the Obama Kool-Aid Syndrome when you don’t even notice the subversiveness if what he is saying. Seriously, we all know how Obama was schooled and how his philosophy was molded by his ‘mentors’. It’s no secret Obama said it with his own words.

He just slips in the “Civilian National Security Force” comment at the end. We don’t need a “Civilian National Security Force” when we already have that in every city state & town, its called the “Police Department.” Like you aid we have the FBI, Homeland security, etc..

He is not talking about the Peace Corps with this, they have nothing to do with National Security. He wants to create something new, his own federally funded ‘civilian police force.’ Just picture, amongst the regular citizens who might join this so-called “Civilian National Security Force.” Must be a lot of Obama ‘followers’ and we know these personality types. They have nothing else to do with their lives except do whatever their Dear Leader says to do.

I can’t help to picture something like a national “Guardian Angels” federally funded with full health benefits and a salary. Here is a scary thought: Now that Obama is elected, Acorn has nothing else to do but to join this “civilian security force.” What about those ‘militant types’ who decided to guard the polling stations?

How about some questions about this instead of calling it ODS when an American doesn’t take what he says at face value. Ever think of that? Will these people be trained? Armed? What are the requirements? Will they be vetted? Are ex-cons allowed? Do you need to be an American citizen? Have a permanent address? Will they be walking the streets? Will search and silence any dissenting opinions of their leader on the streets or in the media in the name of national security? What is the potential for abuse of power in this new civilian force? These are all legitimate questions and concerns that have never been answered.

This idea along with his ‘required/not required’ community service for people should make any American a little suspicious at the least. I don’t have ODS, I’m just passing on the Kool-Aid. Thank you very much.

Indy928 on November 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Wait until she discovers that her husband is half-white!

YYZ on November 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM

LOL!! She realizes this. But, she stated a while back that race mixing is what harms and causes conflicts. Something to that effect. Can’t remember exactly. I guess, it is the Heritage she claimed that gets lost. She has stated that if it was not for whites, the Blacks would have advanced further and not be held back. I took that as she doesn’t like whites. But then again, we all interpret what we hear,see and read differently. All I know is I have a beautiful Sister-In-Law and Niece. I love them, and color isn’t the factor.

sheebe on November 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Kalapana on November 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Thanks. I’m not sure if Obambi views himself as some sort of Savior though it seems much of his following does.

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I should have mentioned another Obambi-Adolf similarity (in approach, if not in character). Both were big on appealing to race distinctions and race destinies. Those race peddlers for Obambi being Revrum Wrong, Revrum Pfleger and my particular favorite wacko: Calypso Louie Farrakhan. Adolf marketed vengeance. So do Farrakhan, Revrum Wrong, and of course so does Obambi friend William Ayers.

Obambi has sold himself on diversity, novelty of a “black” president, a nebulous dystopia called “hope” and big, staged rallies hyped by media lackeys. Obambi has his politcal hitmen: Couric, Gibson, Olbermann, Sawyer, Behar, and now the return of Clinton hit-squad members Rahm Emanuel and Jamie Gorelick.

Now I don’t think a media creation like Obambi has any of the fortitude of a Hitler. He does have the public relations / Hollywood / public education / judicial activism resources of which Goebbels would be proud, a something for nothing mindset infecting his following, and an ability to herd worshipful sheep most easily led by an “I got mine!” marionette wrought by preferential treatment.

viking01 on November 11, 2008 at 12:12 PM

However, Hitler, prior to coming to power had not killed anyone. He was insane, but few could see that.

Really? Read up on the Brownshirts (the SA) and the Beer Hall Putsch. The latter didn’t kill anyone (except a few Nazis), but they were prepared to go to war to seize power. The Brownshirts killed more than a few people in their street brawls with Communists and other opponents.

Ed Morrissey on November 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

No, Carter was a pacifist who did not believe Communism was a real threat to the United States and thought that “human rights” was more important than fighting communism. That is how we ended up with the USSR invading Afghanistan, Iran in the hands of the mullahs, the Sandinistas taking over in Nicaragua, the handover of the Panama Canal, Cuban troops in Angola, etc. In other words, Jimmy Carter very nearly lost the Cold War and set in motion the takeover of the Middle East by radical Muslims and the rise of Al Qaeda.

I fail to see how Barack Obama could be any worse.

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Well grandma’s death isn’t casting much of a pall on the Obamas. Last night Olberman had a clip of the pair dressed to the teeth and smiling widely entering a Chicago restaurant to “re- connect” as Olby put it. The Secret Service was quoted as being very moved(or something)by the incident. It was gag city!!! Does Obama suffer from what the shrinks call low affect?

jeanie on November 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Ed is essentially being a coward…

Those who love Ed will jump up now and defend him and demand my banning, etc…

Christoph on November 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM

I’ve seen this phenomenon here with Capt Ed before, and also over at Rick Moran’s Blog, http://www.rightwingnuthouse.com; when he decided it was time to turn against the War in Iraq, and over at AJ Strata’s Blog, when he went into hyperspace defending Harriet Meiers, and Bush’s Immigration Shammesty Bill.

Bottomline, as the “owners” or key contributers of the Blogs, they feel burdened to show “fairness” and “equality” every once in awhile, a desire to be taken seriously and be seen as “conservative” but not “partisan”.

So, they pick their spots, such as this with Capt Ed, and try to display a little bit of “leadership” and moderation.

My experience with watching this phenomenon unfold though is, that they’re always wrong on the topic they pick to show their non-partisan, non-biased opinion.

Rep Broun was not displaying “ODS”; he spoke the truth. Rick Moran turning against the war, just before the Surge proved successful I might add, made him look like an ass. And AJ Strata’s contorted defense of Bush’s Shammesty Bill makes him look like a Pretzel.

That’s why, I don’t really take seriously, when they make posts like this anymore; not only are they intrinsically wrong, but attacking them on it is low-hanging fruit as well…too easy..

Dale in Atlanta on November 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM

rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Not on second of peace for him, his administration or family from this moment on. Every step he makes should be a painful one and he should be looking over his shoulder. He needs to be contemplating how his kids choices in the lunchline will play out in the realm of global warming because NOTHING should be spared.

This all should be done by proxies, so as not to be associated with the calm, rational, upbeat and freindly temperment the Next Generation of Conservatives bring to rational Americans seeking to distance themselves from the whacko Jacko politics of Hussein.

Alden Pyle on November 11, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Perhaps there is a fine distinction to be made between BDS and ODS but the media won’t report it that way so we need to be careful.

I for one think we should steer clear of any ODS like behavior. Fight tooth and nail any Obama policy we don’t like but do it with facts and reason.

As an example, is Obama going to prevent any ‘free’ election from happening from here on out (as has already been suggested in this thread)? You can argue that the Democratic party as a whole (including Obama) supports policies that support or allow for voter fraud and even support funding of groups that perpetrate voter fraud. We should bring up ACORN and attempts to loosen voter fraud security (like the opposition tot he idea that votes should actually have to show some identification) – but to simply state that Obama is going to allow the Democrats to steal elections from here on out is hyperbole and only hurts our cause and makes our claims that much more dismissible.

gwelf on November 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM

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