AIG responds
posted at 3:10 pm on November 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Normally, I’d add this response as an update to my earlier post on AIG’s Squaw Peak conference, but I received several e-mails objecting to it from AIG employees before AIG’s media relations group sent me the official statement below:
Today, Edward M. Liddy, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of American International Group, issued the following statement.
“Recent news reports have grossly mischaracterized an American International Group seminar for 150 independent financial planners held in Phoenix last week.
The financial planners are not AIG employees. In addition, the cost to AIG for this event was minimal. More than 90 percent of the costs were paid either by sponsors or by the independent financial planners themselves.
It is essential for AIG to conduct seminars of this kind to keep independent financial planners abreast of investment products and services including those offered by AIG. The financial planners are responsible for generating almost $200 million in revenue this year for AIG as of September 30th.
On October 10, I issued a directive to all AIG employees and subsidiaries to reduce expenses and conserve cash, including cancelling all nonessential conferences or meetings, unnecessary travel and excessive overhead. Since then, we have canceled more than 160 events. We conducted a top-to-bottom review of all expenses of the Phoenix meeting in advance and found that it was consistent with my October 10th directive. This conference was approved because it provides the kind of communication we must conduct with the people who sell our products if we are to be successful and repay the U.S. taxpayer.”
Before I offer my rebuttal, let me first state that the AIG Media Relations people and the various employees who e-mailed me were very polite and friendly. They all said they understand the scrutiny under which AIG must now operate, but felt that this story unfairly characterized the event, and to some extent, they’re right. After all, sitting at poolside doesn’t cost any more money than already spent, and neither does coffee-drinking, both of which got a strange level of focus in the article.
However, I think the rebuttals miss the point. AIG essentially cast itself as bankrupt and in need of receivership by American taxpayers. If they want to hold conferences — and I agree that sales organizations have to do so — then they can hold them at corporate headquarters and not resort hotels. When times got lean for corporations in which I worked, all of which had major sales organizations within them, they didn’t travel to resorts but had people come back to HQ to get their training. Had they gone into Chapter 11, I doubt that any judge would have approved the outlay in any case, and this is a similar position.
Getting billions of dollars from taxpayers as a rescue plan should bring a substantial change in behavior. It’s good to see that AIG recognizes this, but I think they still have some culture shifting left to go.










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Does bankruptchy mean the CEO’s get scabby street hookers rather than the high class call girls?
mylegsareswollen on November 11, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Ed, I think you and the rest of the AIG basher crowd may be a little off on this one. Looks like AIG needed to get the 150 financial planners to the conference and Squaw Peak was simply the carrot. This is standard business practice. It was basically a sales meeting at which AIG was wooing customers.
max1 on November 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Oh, i’m sorry. i was thinking of Congress.
mylegsareswollen on November 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Screw AIG. They are screwing us. Every billion in tax-provider funded bailouts costs each legal American citizen $3.33. The original $85B bailout will cost my family of four $1,132.20. My current employer has adjusted as needed to deal with the economy, AIG should do the same.
cannonball on November 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM
When do we get the “let them eat cake” quote?
cannonball on November 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM
$150 billion taxpayer dollars later and the wisdom of doling out taxpayer money is still wanting for an explanation.
I agree Ed, when in dire straights, act frugal, not large.
I suggest we may be all better of to let them all go broke. Capitalism is for success and for failure. Punish failure, you won’t get so much of it in the future.
tarpon on November 11, 2008 at 3:18 PM
CEO Liddy says they’re being responsible with our money. Congress and the administration assure us that they’re being responsible with our money. Well, this is all certainly nice to hear.
Bugler on November 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM
AIG is no longer a business–it’s a protection racket.
Bugler on November 11, 2008 at 3:21 PM
When you take money from the public, the public retains the right to watch the hell out of you.
sheesh on November 11, 2008 at 3:21 PM
A lot of people are angry about the bailout. A lot of people blame the Bush Administration and Republicans for the bailout. The bailout failed to “cure” the economy over night.
The best thing for Democrats and the media to do is run awful stories about the companies taking bailout money to keep people angry. If they can keep people angry with Republicans they can keep their power safe for 2010.
Besides, if we keep being angry about AIG we won’t ask uncomfortable questions about Freddie/Fannie.
myrenovations on November 11, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Great example of what is wrong with taxpayer takeovers of industry. Instead of having people motivated by maximizing the profit of shareholders, we have people arguing back and forth about which is best ideologically.
pedestrian on November 11, 2008 at 3:23 PM
If it looks like BS, smells like BS, and is steamy and brown, it probably is BS.
cpodug on November 11, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Big changes ahead.
No salt on the margaritas. Tee times set back 15 minutes. Limos not the latest model year. Caviar from a jar. Cheeses not served at room temperature. The horrors. Guess at the top they’ll have to grin and bear it. Shoulder the load and don’t scuff those Gucci loafers or ding the walnut paneling.
viking01 on November 11, 2008 at 3:23 PM
BS.
Countrywide was forced by bad publicity to cancel a similar conference for mortgage brokers. Wholesale mortgage lenders did meetings like this all the time; they were completely unnecessary except to show loyalty and to essentially bribe the brokers into sending their loans to that lender.
Financial planners have plenty of means at their disposal to find out about AIG’s products and compare them with others. AIG is just afraid of losing their business if it doesn’t continue to give them perks like meetings in warm weather resorts.
rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 3:24 PM
all i can say is privatization.
don’t tell me that government run entities don’t waste money. that is their primary purpose. a guy on the news last night stated that the reason he works for the government is for the health care. (it was a story about cutting sick-leave bennies for state employees) talk about entitlement.
Evil capitalists, nice civil servants.
By the way, the Weimar Republic was the first modern socialist state, heavily characterized by a civil service sustained middle class.
Sorry stream of consciousness.
anti-boomer on November 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM
How about a WebEx or Live Meeting instead of a lavish conference. A boring power point is a boring power point regardless of where you view it from.
Let’s all admit the real reason these punks go to these things is for the hookers and blow after the lobster tails and steak dinners each night.
Alden Pyle on November 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Ed, I think you are right. Just because they did not pay for it – supposedly they are in deep trouble. A bit of decorum might be good.
Granted they are at a “party” but ya’ know you don’t goof off when the boss is watching!
And folks, the American people are watching – it is our dime.
kybowexar on November 11, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Oh, let me qualify the last statement. I hate any and all insurance companies. Screw AIG
and Screw the Federal Government too! Geht zum Teufel!
anti-boomer on November 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I’d have to say that I am somewhat persuaded by the AIG response. The financial planners at the conference are their customers or at the very least, their retailers. When in financial trouble, the last thing a business needs to do is to stop promoting their product.
I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be scrutinized but I think that this time, scrutiny has yielded a conclusion that the facts do not support.
TBinSTL on November 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM
I think AIG got a bad rap from the news media, just like Bush has experienced for the past 8 years. The news media invents its own sensational story and cares nothing about the negative impacts to their victims.
jediwebdude on November 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM
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So….where’s the guy who has *eats* in his signature when this comes up?
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subbottomfeeder on November 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Did we all miss that? Hello?
If the remaining 10% is close to what AIG would have paid for “in house” training, then this is not an issue.
toliver on November 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Remember when Reagan talked about welfare queens driving Cadillacs? Good times, good times.
Bugler on November 11, 2008 at 3:32 PM
The key word here is substantial – and I haven’t seen a substantial change in behavior either. The CEO’s directive only came AFTER they got caught at the St. Regis Resort in California. What was their mindset before that?
In fact I’ve only seen them go back to the hand that fed them (too easily in my opinion). Initially when I read the terms of the AIG bailout with 10+% interest I was generally okay with it because it provided incentive to ultimately refi through someone else and pay back the taxpayer. The fact that Paulson let them renogotiate after only a few months has me completely infuriated with my government, and with AIG management.
REMINDER: (this is for the auto industry as well) In America we have the opportunity to succeed beyond our wildest dreams. With that, comes the opportunity to fail beyond our wildest dreams. And many who have seen the former also experienced the latter.
No one has a right to succeed beyond my wildest beliefs with MY tax dollars, and right now, that is what is happening.
mngirl on November 11, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Ed, money is neatly divided at insurance companies and financial institutions like AIG. They might have gotten lockjaw in the claims department, but not necessarily in sales and marketing. Want them to get out of the mess they’re in? Then don’t expect them to attract producers by serving donuts in the cafeteria.
Akzed on November 11, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Fixed it for you!
grapeknutz on November 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM
One more thing on the topic of Bailouts.
In pursuing an Auto Industry bailout, any well informed tax payer should look up who owns Chrysler. Its not American shareholders; its wealthy shareholders in the Private Equity firm Cerberus Capital Management. Their portfolio companies have revenues in excess of $100B. They are a private company so they do no public disclosures on Chrysler or any of their other portfolio companies. Cerberus Capital Management does not need a bailout.
mngirl on November 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM
BINGO. This wasn’t even taxpayer/AIG money spent — it was sponsor/planner money.
Settle down, Francises.
Cuffy Meigs on November 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM
yes, government should not have ever gone here. the drive for accountability will destroy these companies and their corporate cultures.
still, I must say I’d like to see the insurance arm of AIG go up in socialist smoke.
anti-boomer on November 11, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Cuffy, I’ll settle down when AIG gets the hell out of my pocket. Until then, I reserve the right to bitch about it to my heart’s content.
Bugler on November 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM
I agree: capitalism guarantees failure for some, success for others. I hate the bailout at the sub-atomic level. But it makes no sense to bail them out then shoot them in the neck.
Akzed on November 11, 2008 at 3:40 PM
The whole point is that AIG had enough collateral to justify the loan, and it has enough capital to justify the restructuring of the loan. The loan will lose money for the US taxpayers if AIG goes bankrupt. If AIG doesn’t keep selling financial products, it will go bankrupt. AIG relies on independent financial planners to recommend AIG products to their customers. They are not going to recommend anything from AIG if AIG invites them to corporate HQ for take-out donuts and stale coffee.
I think AIG is a rotten company, but they don’t deserve blame for this. This is just kicking AIG because it’s down.
If you support the free market, leave AIG alone (for awhile).
indythinker on November 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM
You’ve all gone off the deep end into populist nonsense. Should have voted for Obama – after all, he’s going to penalize all American corporations who “ship jobs overseas!”
Who couldn’t support that kind of taxpayer-friendly leadership?! He’s fighting for You!
Jaibones on November 11, 2008 at 3:42 PM
C
Cuffy, I’ll settle down when AIG gets the hell out of my pocket. Until then, I intend to bitch about it.
Bugler on November 11, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Are you saying that no American shareholder is wealthy?
And yes, Cerberus is an American company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management
I favor giving the auto industry nothing more. They’ve had enough breaks over the years. Let them fail.
indythinker on November 11, 2008 at 3:43 PM
“A lot of people are angry about the bailout. A lot of people blame the Bush Administration and Republicans for the bailout. The bailout failed to “cure” the economy over night.”
Really, I seemed to remember both sides of the isle clamoring over themselves to bail these poorly run companies out with my money. And now, it’s Pelosi’s group ALL OVER bailing out the auto makers. If this isn’t the slippery slope to socialism, I don’t know what is except perhaps voting a person in for POTUS that has a socialist agenda. Oh, wait………
rayvet on November 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM
I support free markets. I think AIG should have been left alone before they stole the $190B.
Bugler on November 11, 2008 at 3:49 PM
They haven’t stolen a dime. It’s a loan. AIG will pay it back after they sell off pieces of AIG. If AIG fails to pay back the loan, the government will seize AIG and sell off everything in AIG, lock, stock, and barrel, take ALL the proceeds, and the SHAREHOLDERS WILL BE LEFT WITH NOTHING.
It’s a loan. Maybe you would say the government shouldn’t have given this loan. In no way, however, can any informed person call it theft.
indythinker on November 11, 2008 at 3:54 PM
When you take money from the public, the public retains the right to watch the hell out of you.
That may be true, but it doesn’t mean the public has any business sense.
MayBee on November 11, 2008 at 3:56 PM
It’s theft. Government sanctioned theft. Unconstitutional government sanctioned theft. Anyone who thinks the taxpayer won’t be stuck with a very large tab for this is terribly naive.
Bugler on November 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM
What is the difference in expense by holding this conference in NYC or the surround area and holding it at a resort in Phoenix?
This is something his news release should have addressed.
Helloyawl on November 11, 2008 at 4:07 PM
indythinker my point is that only wealthy shareholders can invest in Cerberus. Joe Blow with his $5,000 can invest in GM or Ford or anyone else whose stock is sold on the NYSE or NASDAQ; but Joe Blow shareholder with $5,000 to invest cannot invest in Cerberus.
My point is the wealthy Cerberus shareholder who, if Chrysler is not sold to GM, or does not receive bailout money, could subject Cerberus to additional losses on Chrysler. I have no interest in having my tax dollars bail out the wealthy investors of Cerberus. And FYI – wikipedia is not that great of a source, since anyone can go write anything there.
mngirl,CPA
mngirl on November 11, 2008 at 4:09 PM
“After all, sitting at poolside doesn’t cost any more money than already spent, and neither does coffee-drinking, both of which got a strange level of focus in the article.”
Ed, Ed, you are thinking so 1980′s on this issue. There are telecom services called WebEx and MegaMeeting that permit one to hold web based teleconferences with white board, video and conference chat all built in. I only mention two but there are at least a dozen such services. Costs would be 10x less than what AIG spent, even if they picked up their own tab for attending.
If they are not using these kind of services to hold virtual conferences they are not really trying at all.
Dr. Dog on November 11, 2008 at 4:10 PM
I’ll post the same comment I made on the other thread. This isn’t about the value of the conference, the money already spent, or why this event was essential. It is about the perception that AIG is completely oblivious to the new reality of their surroundings.
The statement Liddy issues should have been far quicker in coming (like before the event) and his media people should be fired for not understanding how this conference might be perceived as screwing the taxpayer over. I saw him interviewed on MSNBC and it is clear that the outrage took them all by surprise when that shouldn’t have been the case. In any case it still sets the wrong impression to be holding events at resorts at the same time Congress is contemplating an even bigger bailout of this supposedly beleagured private corporation.
highhopes on November 11, 2008 at 4:14 PM
If we are bailing ‘em out WE have become their sponsors. We have become the planners. We’ve also become their lobbyists for no other reason than in hopes of getting our money back. Someday. Maybe. Investors in AIG are doubly screwed. First to absorb their initial stock losses. Second, to absorb the expense of trying to keep the corpse propped up… by the same politicians asleep at the wheel before the careening off the road.
GM created its own mess with planned obsolescence. When you have to drain the cooling system to replace an idler pulley because cooling lines , quite avoidably, are routed through the mounting plate… When you have to find an engine lift to replace a broken serpentine belt because that engine mount accidentally got designed in the way… When brake rotors warp because they were designed too thin for the task to save pocket change per rotor…….. the competition takes those competitive advantages and wallops you.
The GM / Ford strategy of marketing more lousy replacement parts to replace failed lousy original parts versus the “foreign” car market strategy of selling you a reliable car to replace a worn yet still reliable car. Guess which strategy has won?
viking01 on November 11, 2008 at 4:15 PM
mngirl, I think you and I may have worked for the same company. ;-)
Cerberus is also trying to get GMAC into the bailout, either directly or by converting it into a bank holding company. It has a huge stable of lobbyists and its Chairman is former Treasury secretary John Snow.
rockmom on November 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Okay, so why are these “independent financial planners” still expecting big fancy parties in the current economic times? Seems that AIG isn’t the only faction here that needs to stop wasting money! You suppose AIG has a conference room somewhere? If not let them take a small portion of those billions and find one to rent in an office complex instead of participating in elaborate parties at resorts.
highhopes on November 11, 2008 at 4:19 PM
One point I will raise in AIG’s defense (though it pains me greatly to do so) is that a conference like this is not a spur of the moment event. The facility was probably booked well in advance and likely well in advance of their being bought by the government. They and their independent financial planners probably already had money out for the event. Canceling or moving the location to corporate HQ would not have been without cost as well.
Stephen Macklin on November 11, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Sometimes appearances are not what they seem. I know that 15 years ago I was in mid management where our region involved several mountain states. One of the major considerations was cost of air fare, flying in from small airports with no competitive fares. Rather than bring everyone to regional office a central (to all the states) location was selected and we might be placed in the best hotel in town, a Hilton or whatever. The reason? The specific date selected might be a slow time for them and a rate close to a Motel 6 rate was obtained. It would be a shock to the system to see the advertised rate of the hotel where we were staying. And since I had to pay the hotel bill and then be reimbursed I knew what the cheap rate was. A couple of times this was accomplished at resort hotels due to the current economy. Might there be a like situation now?
Of course, now effective training sessions can be arranged via the internet.
Oleta on November 11, 2008 at 4:28 PM
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
ronsfi on November 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Would the leader of the Republican Party please stand up and be recognized,and for God’s sake can we stop this frickin hemmoraging of my tax dollars?
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 11, 2008 at 4:38 PM
You mean all but $23,000. That money wasn’t covered by sponsors.
Esthier on November 11, 2008 at 4:42 PM
I don’t care what this CEO fag says, he needs to be living as frugal as someone making $40k/year.
Why doesn’t he start getting his underwriters to bail him out from now on?
leetpriest on November 11, 2008 at 4:43 PM
How many of them are Democrat donors and are going to the Inaguration?
Seven Percent Solution on November 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM
I heard on the radio yesterday a thumbnail sketch of the problem. I don’t know if this is an accurate characterization, but the newscaster said that the SECOND bailout to AIG (the one they’re requesting right now) is because they can’t afford to pay the interest on the FIRST bailout loan.
I have no expertise whatsoever in finance, but this doesn’t sound like a good bet. I understand there are consequences of an insurance collapse, and I understand the consequences would be catastrophic. But I’m starting to wonder if we’re kidding ourselves thinking we can keep the finger in this dike. Maybe it’s time for the big bang.
jeff_from_mpls on November 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Rember…………..?
Seven Percent Solution on November 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM
We need to drain the swamp in Washington… It’s the beurocracies that are the atrocious waste of money.
- Slash budgets by 30% immediately
- Do not increase budgets next year (keep slashed amt)
- Hiring freeze across all levels of government
- Attrition the workforce down 30% over 3 years
- Transparency in govn’t purchasing depts
That would be a good start…
gatorboy on November 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Wholesale mortgage lenders did meetings like this all the time; they were completely unnecessary except to show loyalty and to essentially bribe the brokers into sending their loans to that lender.
That’s right. Which is to say: If AIG wants to keep on getting these guy’s business, it will wine and dine them.
They’re not AIG employees, they’re not getting money from the bailout, they’re the people AIG needs to suck up to to stay in business.
Overblown.
Greg Q on November 11, 2008 at 5:11 PM
My calculator doesn’t have enough decimals to compute the fraction of $190,000,000,000 that represents…
Cuffy Meigs on November 11, 2008 at 5:39 PM
AIG’s corporate PR left out a couple of salient points. First, AIG is an international financial holding company with businesses ranging from aircraft leasing through investment services through insurance. . The bailout only applied to a part of its US division.
Second, conferences of this type are arranged between four and six months in advance. At that time, space must be leased, and paid for (in whole or in part) in advance at well. Often, that deposit is nonrefundable.
Yes, they could have cancelled the shindig, but that would have simply thrown money away… and Congress does that well enough already.
And to forestall the obvious: no, I’m neither an AIG shill nor employee.
Paul_in_NJ on November 11, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Ed, I think you are mischaracterizing this, and doing your readers a disservice by your failure to understand and research the business AIG is in.
These are NOT EMPLOYEES — they are “INDEPENDENT” advisers! You guys are way off base. The conference was either a part of the compensation for high levels of business written or was designed to encourage future sales.
You cancel this event and events like it and you lose whatever business the Financial Advisers were giving the company — which is death to an already struggling company.
After all, why write business for a company that has no incentive convention when you can write for one that does — capitalism at it’s best!
David
LifeTrek on November 11, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Whats the Return On Investment ‘ROI’ for the event? I don’t care if they spend 10 million or so on a party if they make 50 or 100 million in return.
meci on November 11, 2008 at 6:00 PM
On the one hand, the amount of money actually doled out by AIG for this shindig is minimal and inconsequential in the faced of the tens of billions of taxpayer dole they’re lapping up.
On the other, it’s a PR disaster–anytime you have to explain who actually paid, how much, etc., etc., you’ve already lost the argument. The American public rightfully has a short attention span for this kind of stuff right now.
But the bigger issue is that while it’s important for companies, in general, to treat their sales staff (whether officially employees or not) well, anybody who only sells EIG because of a flashy few days at a resort is not a salesperson I would want representing my brand.
These conferences aren’t about product promotion, which can be handled much more efficiently and far less expensively through other means. It’s a vestige of business as usual which–for the foreseeable future–needs to change, and it needs to change as long as they’re taking one red cent of taxpayer money.
redfoxbluestate on November 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM
When they take 190b from the public, it’s no longer a business until it’s paid back.
Sheesh, Cpa
sheesh on November 11, 2008 at 6:35 PM
These guys have lived at the trough for years, they don’t give up so easy. How do they account for telling the staff to keep it under wraps…they knew they were doing wrong. I say if you bail them out, put each top executive on a salary not to exceed $250,000. Every other exec gets less and cut their salary by (choose a % greater then 10).
right2bright on November 11, 2008 at 7:17 PM
How do they account for telling the staff to keep it under wraps…they knew they were doing wrong.
um, no – they know that the media and the public will go for the most simplistic accounting (pun intended). You’ve heard Allahpundit use the word nuance? Well, the facts in this case aren’t as simple as you’re being told.
Paul_in_NJ on November 11, 2008 at 7:32 PM
All you AIG apologist LAP-DOGS are full of canine excrement.
After the first multi-billion dollar bailout payment, formed from the sweat off OUR little people peon taxpayer backs (*you sniveling suck-up apologist a-holes*), what was the first two things AIG did, that we actually know about, when they got those multi-tens-of-BILLIONS of dollars handed to them on a silver platter?
Was the $440,000 Loserpalooza for AIG employees and families at the Southern California spa held for AIG non-employees and their AIG non-families? NO.
Was the $100,000 Hunting trip for the AIG Executives for non-AIG employees? NO.
…to just name TWO.
Get off your knees boys, spit it all out, and good God, BE FREE MEN! Not slaves to corporate greed, towing the company line like suck-up little robots, and quit aplogizing for those greedy self-serving Multi-Billionaire sons-of-bitches!
The truth will set you free.
…
FlatFoot on November 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM
And none of that really matters from a perception standpoint. Make all the snide comments about how damned stupid the American public is but fact of the matter is that they are angry that AIG is getting billions in taxpayer assistance and this is the second time they got caught involved participating in over-the-top events. They are angry over this constant stream of bailouts including the talk today about the auto industry bellying up to the public trough. There doesn’t seem to be an end in sight where Congress says no……..
In this environment, AIG needs to act like a corporation on the brink of failure. They need to show they are responsible stewards of the chance they have been given. They don’t need morons like you screaming that the public is just too damned stupid to have an opinion on this issue.
highhopes on November 11, 2008 at 7:42 PM
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So, let me get this straight. Financial advisors are only going to support a “struggling company” when they get to attend fancy events like this? They aren’t going to bother with AIG if they don’t get theirs?
highhopes on November 11, 2008 at 7:46 PM
You AIG apologist lap-dogs are a joke and a laughing stock.
Even after a $440,000 spa treatment for AIG EMPLOYEES and their FAMILIES at an ‘exclusive Southern California Resort’, and the $100,000 Hunting trip for AIG EXECUTIVES… both of which occured AFTER the first multi-tens-of-billions of dollars bailout payment, you post up in here that AIG is simply ‘misunderstood’ and gosh golly gee-whiz, they’re really swell folks just spending tens of millions of dollars on ‘seminars’ that are necessary to run the business.
Get off your knees, suck ups, and spit it out before you develop a hankering for the flavor.
FlatFoot on November 11, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Am I witnessing ignorance or stupidity????
Ed, please answer!
Independent FPs have the right to spend their money in any manner they see fit.
What’s next? Are you going to start scrutinizing AIG customers next? What’s wrong with you people?
blink on November 11, 2008 at 8:15 PM
That’s right, your already spending time and effort convincing your clients that AIG is safe enough for their money, you can easily sell another company’s product, especially when you get to go to the other company’s sales conference.
It’s human nature and capitalism — why work harder for less perks.
David
LifeTrek on November 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Hey, Ed.
What’s next? Are you going to start following AIG employees to happy hour on Friday nights and start reporting on the bar tab?
blink on November 11, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Government has no business in AIG’s business!
Government should not have “bailed” AIG out, but doing so does not give government more business in AIG’s private business.
That is exactly what the Dems want.
Give AIG tax payer funded money.
Give AIG bad press (such as this).
Get the “public” in a roar about it.
Pass laws mandating “oversight”.
Eliminate private enterprise.
MsDollie on November 11, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Ah, I was mistaken. I was under the assumption from past experience that this was the point where the left, having gained power, would begin eating each other.
I see now that, having lost power, we’ve decided to do that instead.
Merovign on November 11, 2008 at 11:04 PM
The American people just elected a Marxist with close ties to America haters, terrorists and racists. The only thing the American people are watching is “Dancing With the Stars”.
Your government is screwing you. AIG doesn’t have the power to confiscate your money against your will to waste as they please. Only government has that power.
xblade on November 11, 2008 at 11:59 PM
I think AIG has to be more specific about costs and payments. If they give facts and figures that can be verified, I’ll believe them.
For instance, did the independent agents pay for their own rooms and lodging? If so, the cost to the company is the conference spaces and the trainers. Could it have been held at corporate HQ? You would still have to provide the lodging, and people would be less eager to attend. Could it have been done over the internet? I’ve used some of those conferencing products and they have been disappointing. Moreover, you don’t get the time to sit around the pool (the bar, the lobby) and schmooze with other people in your industry. You can learn important things and make useful contacts there; it helps to justify the cost of the event.
If you are complaining, let me ask this: are you in an industry where you are expected to attend these things? I have been, and I never considered them a vacation. I came home exhausted, needing a vacation. Not that they weren’t fun, and valuable. But they were not six days in a spa.
njcommuter on November 12, 2008 at 12:06 AM
I remember a former utility CEO who told his staff they could buy anything they needed, “as long as it looks cheap.”
New offices had linoleum instead of carpet, even
though it actually cost more. It just looked cheaper, and kept the Texas Railroad Commission from intense scrutiny.
As a sales meeting, where customers pay to come, it seems to make sense in general. The excessive charges can be billed to amy employee who was not consistent with the AIG expense account policies.
Right_of_Attila on November 12, 2008 at 9:48 AM
It’s possible that the arrangements for this have been in place for some time — they usually are. I don’t know what the whole story is, but I do know that late cancellations are expensive for events like this.
cheeflo on November 12, 2008 at 2:48 PM