Obama to close Gitmo, but then what?
posted at 1:30 pm on November 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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No matter which candidate won the election, the detention center at Guantanamo Bay for captured terrorists would have closed. Both Barack Obama and John McCain had pledged to shut down the controversial center, which received a deluge of criticism ever since it opened. However, now that Obama has won the election, he faces the question that Gitmo’s critics have left unanswered. How does America prosecute the detainees while maintaining a viable intelligence service?
President-elect Obama’s advisers are quietly crafting a proposal to ship dozens, if not hundreds, of imprisoned terrorism suspects to the United States to face criminal trials, a plan that would make good on his promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison but could require creation of a controversial new system of justice. …
Under plans being put together in Obama’s camp, some detainees would be released and many others would be prosecuted in U.S. criminal courts.
A third group of detainees — the ones whose cases are most entangled in highly classified information — might have to go before a new court designed especially to handle sensitive national security cases, according to advisers and Democrats involved in the talks. Advisers participating directly in the planning spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans aren’t final.
The move would be a sharp deviation from the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at the Navy base in Cuba and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States. Obama’s Republican challenger, John McCain, had also pledged to close Guantanamo. But McCain opposed criminal trials, saying the Bush administration’s tribunals should continue on U.S. soil.
This is the conundrum that Congress twice addressed. They established the military tribunal system during the second Bush term, and the Supreme Court rejected it. After Democrats won control of Congress, they created another military tribunal system in strained cooperation with the Bush administration, only to have the Supreme Court reject it again. Instead, the Court placed the federal judiciary in charge of terrorists captured in war zones for the first time in American history, regardless of where the military housed them.
Given that track record, the notion that Congress and the President could create another civil court system to handle the cases seems absurd. Will the Supreme Court that rejected military tribunals twice allow the creation of a separate-but-somehow-equal civil court system for detainees? That practically begs the question of where to draw the line for its usage. Should all foreigners tried for crimes involving national security get processed through such a system, even if arrested in the US? What’s the difference? And if so, haven’t we then established a second-class justice system for all non-citizens, and not restricted to those terrorists captured in the field of battle?
Besides, the point of military tribunals was to establish a system that protected American intelligence in the war on terror. The Supreme Court rejected those restrictions in the military tribunal system. They’re not likely to sign off on a civil system that adopts the same restrictions.
Even without the obvious security issues of bringing terrorists onto American soil, these questions will continue to haunt the processing of these terrorists. The Supreme Court left the US in the position of either blowing the cover of intel resources by forcing the government to provide constitutional protections to enemies of the US at war with our nation, or releasing them to plan more attacks. Either Obama or McCain would have to deal with that ridiculous position, and so far, Obama seems to be pursuing the same basic strategy that the Court rejected twice.
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Did we learn nothing from the Moussaui trial?
lorien1973 on November 10, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Then what? Chaos.
econavenger on November 10, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Bring in into the USA and give them fair trials.
Thanks America.
carbon_footprint on November 10, 2008 at 1:33 PM
This guy is like abull in a china closet.
thomasaur on November 10, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Now that the world loves us again, we won’t need intelligence. (In both senses of the word.)
MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Of course the courts will require us to release them on bond while they are awaiting trial.
MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Intentionally bring hundreds of terrorists onto U.S. soil?
Yeah, can’t see any way that could turn out badly.
Chad on November 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Then we shove them into Twin Towers Correctional and let them convert Paris Hilton to Islam.
Good going, Barry. The murderers, rapists and thieves in our prisons will be made a million times worse thanks to you.
Ryan Gandy on November 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM
The problem with campaign promises, is that we force the candidates to fulfill them.
I just wish they would make the promises, then break them.
right2bright on November 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Possibly put them up in government housing projects, Boston is nice, especially this time of year.
Dorvillian on November 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Maybe Barak plans to reason with each of these terrorists personally and convince them of the error of their ways.
Chad on November 10, 2008 at 1:37 PM
I’ve got a brilliant idea?
Oh boy,it’ll send Rywall into a loony
uncontrollable meltdown,haha!
Ley’s transfer Gitmo,
to CANADA!!!!
Oh,and park it up near Hudson Bay?(Snark).
canopfor on November 10, 2008 at 1:37 PM
This post is assuming that the liberal members of the court wouldn’t change their position to support a democratic president when the issue arises again, which they probably would.
sublime on November 10, 2008 at 1:37 PM
How about keeping Gitmo and sending “Yes We Can!” students to give them foot rubs?
LimeyGeek on November 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Just ask Obama’s aunt.
Chad on November 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Yeah, but he’s the One, and loved all over the world – - he can get away with this, and not be seen as Hitler reincarnated.
Rick on November 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Hey! Let’s bring these animals onto our soil! Great Idea! We’ll show them how generous our democracy is as we offer up our throats for them to slit. Congress works with the Sup Ct and the White House for two years on a military commission system and now The Untested One wants to throw all that out of the window? Not to mention that these tribunals have been in use in our Nation for over 225 years. Seems Barry is not content unless he can render his own hallmark onto our system. Criminal trials in our federal criminal system worked great with Wowie Moussaui and the Blind Shiekh, right? Abdul Rahman was sending out orders from his federal prison, with the assistance of his own US lawyer! Let the hits keep on comin’. Will these released detainees qualify for a “tax cut” under Barry’s plan? Will they enjoy the public housing and welfare of Aunt Zetunyi?
sladenyv on November 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM
If I remember correctly, the entire point of GTMO was to offer a humane environment for the interrogation of unlawful enemy combatants. What we had done previously is to put these people in a hole somewhere (whether our own hole or that of an ally, such as Egypt), torture them, and kill them.
All of this judicial activism and craziness from the Left (and their enablers on SCOTUS) has created this impossible conundrum. But more importantly, it’s guaranteed that President Obama and any future Presidents will simply revert to the old “put these guys in a hole” methodology to avoid the chaos associated with trying to be humane. Congratulations, liberals.
Outlander on November 10, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Or worse yet we will give them a platform to mock our justice system and cry out for Jihad on the taxpayers dime as the Obama administration makes trial lawyers richer by putting on these multi million dollar show trials.
William Amos on November 10, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Unicorns, rainbows and pixie dust for everyone.
Tinian on November 10, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I hope he falls into the left’s trap. He may do this with a belief that the ACLU would not want to hurt him politically. He thought that about Wright too.
Obama knows that if he concedes too much the ACLU will put in a position of giving up intel or putting them on the streets. Our national security at stake the powers that be would let them walk the street rather than give up our intel. Obama would be in a position of having set them free.
Theworldisnotenough on November 10, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Not the best comparison.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 10, 2008 at 1:41 PM
They could intern for ACORN.
bloggless on November 10, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Is this the Change America voted for? Bringing terrorists to the US and giving them trials? It will be enormously unpopular. Obama is going to do a lot of stupid things in the next few months–this is one example; reimposing the ban on off shore drilling is another–and the GOP should pointedly ask Americans each time: is this the Change you voted for?
james23 on November 10, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Has the writer of this (or Obama’s people proposing this) actually read the Geneva Convention? There CANNOT be a separate court for enemies captured on the field. They must be subject to military courts if our soldiers are subject to courts martial, or subject to our civil court system in identical fashion to the way in which our own soldiers are subject to same.
The Convention is very clear — you cannot treat captured soldiers in a way different from the way in which you treat your own soldiers with respect to your legal system.
The only other way is to hold them as prisoners of war, in which case they may be detained for the duration of hostilities, or paroled, but when paroled must be repatriated to their country of citizenship.
Is Obama going to throw over the Geneva Convention?
unclesmrgol on November 10, 2008 at 1:43 PM
And maybe we can have Bill Ayers be their judge.
Psst, to all members of the military: no more prisoners.
rbj on November 10, 2008 at 1:44 PM
As useful as their intel might be, this seems ripe for “Take no prisoners.”
DrMagnolias on November 10, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Gitmo mortality rate lower than at Chappaquiddick.
whitetop on November 10, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Perfect! We are now living in a utopia, so what’s the problem? They can either be relocated in DC, Chicago, New York or California.
mariloubaker on November 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Yeah, I’ve been asking the same question. Do we ultimately adopt a take no prisoners, bayonet the wounded policy?
Insane.
flipflop on November 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Acording to the left there is no war on terror. So the plan is not to treat them as terrorists but rather as “Criminals”.
William Amos on November 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Or worse…..
William Amos on Nov 10,2008 at 1:39PM.
William Amos: And to top it all off,these sick
animal terrorists would be teaching
Ayres and Dorhn how to go from political
to political terrorism!
Or,what am I thinking,Ayers and Dorhns
would be getting a day pass,and they would
be teaching the terrorists ‘Political
Terrorism’!
canopfor on November 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM
That’s why I said “closet”. In the old days china was kept in closet for safe keeping.
thomasaur on November 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Let’s give them the “Man Vs. Wild” treatment: parachute drop them into a remote location with a pocket knife and a water bottle.
common sensineer on November 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM
unclesmrgol on November 10, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Gasp. Not only did you accuse liberals of not knowing anything about the Geneva Convention, you’ve blasphemed the One’s name by saying he’ll pull the same tactics as that eeeeeeevil dictator Bush.
Someone call an ambulance. They’re due for a collective heart attack any time now.
Ryan Gandy on November 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM
/sarc off
Ryan Gandy on November 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM
I finally figured it out.
Obama sees all of these terrorists as the new taxpayers he’s going to need to pay for the trillion dollars in spending he proposed on the campaign trail.
Add the terrorists to a few million more illegal immigrants and he’s almost there!
Chad on November 10, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Send them back to their country of birth and put them on a CIA watch list. Simple.
lodge on November 10, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Why, detainees get jobs with the DNC, or professorships at major universities where they can brainwash even more Americans. I’m sure the ACLU has positions open.
darwin on November 10, 2008 at 1:51 PM
This is why the Supreme Court decisions were ridiculous. There is no way to try these guys without hurting our intell ops. That is why the military commissions were created.
What will likely happen due to the Supreme Court is that the AQ bad guys will end up in Egypt or Jordan, where the intelligence officers really do engage in torture and will disappear these guys into a black hole. Obama will approve of this action because he doesn’t want innocent American blood on his hands. Therefore, the ACLU and other useful idiots have just ensured that everyone at Gitmo will receive less rights than they are now… How ironic!
Illinidiva on November 10, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Eh….Let’s hunt them for sport. No? Or is that the military’s job?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 10, 2008 at 1:52 PM
And so we go back to treating terror as an LE issue instead of a defense/war issue.
The solution is simple: There is no need to institute another type of court system. Just let them go. That’s what the left really wants to do anyway.
Don’t think they won’t use that option as the default.
catmman on November 10, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Most liberals I’ve spoken to believe that the detainees at Gitom are all really innocent bystanders — victims of U.S. oppression, or possibly just people defiending their native soil from U.S. invasion.
no joke…
max1 on November 10, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Give them jobs in the sports world….
I’m sure they could make great astroturfers.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 10, 2008 at 1:53 PM
common sensineer on November 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM
You DO know “Man vs. Wild” is a bunch of BS, don’t you?
Ryan Gandy on November 10, 2008 at 1:53 PM
max1 on November 10, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Poor, poor moisture farmers. :P
Ryan Gandy on November 10, 2008 at 1:53 PM
The more I am seeing about all the “changes” B.O. is going to soon instill on all of us, the more I am tempted to invest in stocks in the companies that make Tylenol and Excedrin, because I think a lot of both products are going to be ingested in the next four years.
If anything, I would stand to make a fortune…which B.O. could then redistribute.
pilamaye on November 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Dear Leader was elected President of the Law Review. Not editor.
Criminals, enemy combatants, citizens, Republicans, murders and voters — probably all just a swirl in his head. Like the Supreme Court dividing up the money.
IlikedAUH2O on November 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Just think how easier it will be for journalists to turn them into hundreds of sympathetic Tookie Williams. The parade of terrorist-turned-cab-drivers-and-chefs sob stories will never end
Greenhelmet on November 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Not to over-react, but I do believe our beloved America is about to be raped.
carbon_footprint on November 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM
I like Mitt Romney’s idea:
“I don’t want them on our soil,” Romney said. “I want them on Guantanamo, where they don’t get the access to lawyers that they get when they’re on our soil. I don’t want them in our prisons. I want them there. Some people have said we ought to close Guantanamo. My view is we ought to double Guantanamo.”
Sigh…
JA on November 10, 2008 at 1:56 PM
And would you be surprised if he did?
Dee2008 on November 10, 2008 at 1:56 PM
I’m surprised that Obama doesn’t plan to move them and grant POW status. It seems like the politically safest route. Nothing changes other than their place of confinement and their gaining of a number of new rights under the Geneva Convention. Bush jumped through hoops to please SCOTUS because he refused to label unlawful combatants as POWs. I don’t see why Obama would take a somewhat similar route when he could just make the status change and knock an item off his to do list.
rw on November 10, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Psst, to all members of the military: no more prisoners.
RBJ on November 10, 2008 at 1:44 PM
As useful as their intel might be, this seems ripe for “Take no prisoners.”
DrMagnolias on November 10, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Wonder Twin powers … ACTIVATE!
Tony737 on November 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM
You assume that this administration- to -be wants a viable intelligence service… big mistake. We are vulnerable already.
MNDavenotPC on November 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM
We could make them stand in the time out corner, but that would infuriate the ACLU.
fogw on November 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM
I propose a minimum-security (no fences) federal detention center in Chicago.
highhopes on November 10, 2008 at 1:58 PM
My question is this: Why should illegal enemy combatants (Illegal according to the Geneva and Hague conventions) be afforded more protections than legitimate Prisoners of War?
At the end of the day, whether we like it or not, need to establish a doctrine which punishes violations of international law, rather than encouraging them.
If we fair to do so, we render the international agreements we are party to, meaningless.
Look, sometimes you have to do crappy things to encourage correct behavior.
Falshrmjgr on November 10, 2008 at 1:58 PM
“My view is we ought to double Guantanamo.” – Mitt
What could’ve been.
Tony737 on November 10, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Gird your loins!
CanadianGuy on November 10, 2008 at 2:00 PM
I don’t like to place bets, but here is one:
Every single prisoner is released on habeus grounds. Every single prisoner receives a green light to sue the American taxpayer.
Justice, the touchy feely way.
Limerick on November 10, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Nah…..San Fran – smack bang in the middle of gaytown.
LimeyGeek on November 10, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Screw it, take them back where we found them and cut them loose. If they are found in conflict with our troops again shoot them on the battlefield.
Kumbaya. Obama is an idiot.
“If Obama is the answer then the question must have been pretty stupid.”
johnsteele on November 10, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Do nothing. Believe me, the soldiers in the field will make sure that no combatants ever see a jail cell if it means have to fight those same bastards 6 months later when ObaMcCarthy lets them go.
csdeven on November 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM
So I guess we can expect our ever expanding array of lib judges to release all these a-wipes on technicalities. GREAT idea.
Canada is looking really good right about now.
ErinF on November 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Move them into the WH – Obama’s already shown that he is ok with living near to unrepentant terrorists.
holdfast on November 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Erin –
Two reasons not to move to Canada.
1. Their Health Care System
2. Drywall lives there.
kingsjester on November 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I hear the sharks off of the Cuban coast like soylent brown.
- The Cat
MirCat on November 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Despite the legal venue of “the Detainee Treatment Act and the Military Commissions Act” that already made the courts accessible to these terrorists, didn’t the SCOTUS ruling this June to grant alien unlawful combatants constitutional habeas rights make closing GITMO a moot point?
Although access to the courts didn’t do the Uighers much good, and simply proved to be nothing but a Kafka-esque hamster wheel.
This O-Man hasn’t thought this through very well, has he.
locomotivebreath1901 on November 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Congrats lefties, it’s all yours.
swami on November 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM
The difference is that the left wing of the court will not want to create unsolvable problems for a democrat president.
If they can get new laws from Europe, why not the liberal playbook — or bathroom graffiti for that matter.
Right_of_Attila on November 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM
These SOBs are NOT soldiers and to give them that label is an insult to every man and woman who has ever worn the uniform in honorable to any nation. THEY. ARE. NOT. SOLDIERS. THEY. ARE. TERRORISTS.
johnsteele on November 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Reminds me of the often used line in Meet the Robinsons: “I don’t think you thought this through.”
meep on November 10, 2008 at 2:06 PM
HAHA! Good idea, I wonder how Mr.O would feel about these animals being so close to his wife and daughters?
Tony737 on November 10, 2008 at 2:07 PM
He has no problem with it. Michelle hates America as much as they do and I’m sure his daughters will grow up with the same values.
csdeven on November 10, 2008 at 2:09 PM
What then?!?! They get set up with a lawyer, a nice cash settlement and a plane ticket to where ever they want to go.
And if they want to just hang out in the good old US…I’m sure they can get a good Fannie/Freddie loan to get a nice house.
Can’t be alienating the POS terrorist vote. Just think of all the minds in the Islamic World they’re gonna change.
BigWyo on November 10, 2008 at 2:10 PM
GITMO is a potential fundraising GOLDMINE! All they’d hafta do is put the interrogations on Pay-Per-View and we could pay off the naional debt in 2 years! Hell, these libs don’t care how much intel gets leaked anyway, right? Plus the whole world gets to see how nice we treat them. Win-win.
Tony737 on November 10, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Nicely put.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 10, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Then, throw them in the ocean in Cuba. Let the sharks eat them! I don’t know what to think anymore. That will be catastrophic. Question to ex or active Military on here.
Do you think the Military will set back and let the Dictator turn our Country into a mess? If they do help us out with Civil duties. Do you think that they will fight for our Freedom? Will the citizens have to do the job? I am just a normal woman. Never been in Military. Just wondering about your thoughts on this.
sheebe on November 10, 2008 at 2:13 PM
new policy for Bush before he leaves office:
Release and shoot
jp on November 10, 2008 at 2:13 PM
new policy for Bush before he leaves office:
Release and shoot
jp on November 10, 2008 at 2:13 PM
I can live with that! :)
sheebe on November 10, 2008 at 2:14 PM
In his last hours in office, Bill Clinton pardoned criminals.
In his last hours in office, George Bush will bomb criminals.
My prediction from two weeks ago still holds.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 10, 2008 at 2:15 PM
No, no no. Its like this:
Shot while attempting to escape.
Iblis on November 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Sheebe, patriotic Americans who would normally join the military will have second thoughts and go elsewhere. Many already in the service will not re-enlist. We saw this happen when klinton was elected, and he made their decision easier by cutting the size of the military by 1/3.
Tony737 on November 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Aren’t these the same people who’ve been bitching about the length of time these people have sat in Gitmo waiting for a trial–that it’s a violation of human rights? This begs the obvious question, how much longer will this take? I mean, moving the detainees, charging them up in new courts of law, are they going to switch out the attorneys too? The military attorneys putting these cases together have had a hell of a time coordinating with all of the different agencies involved for evidence. This is a gigantic clusterf***. Now that these guys are FINALLY getting charged an moving along, they delay it more. Save our government some time and money and get on with it already!!!!
tmq on November 10, 2008 at 2:17 PM
See, you seem to miss the point. The Libs WANT this Charlie Fargo’ed up. The more likely the case is to fall apart and these prisoners are to walk, the happier the Libs will be.
After all, they were captured in “unjust wars”.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 10, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Sheebe, patriotic Americans who would normally join the military will have second thoughts and go elsewhere. Many already in the service will not re-enlist. We saw this happen when klinton was elected, and he made their decision easier by cutting the size of the military by 1/3.
Tony737 on November 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM
kind of figured that. Clinton devastated the Military. Now the Dictator will do the same. I won’t feel helpless. I will fight no matter what it takes.
sheebe on November 10, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Surely these guys can just be incorporated into Obama’s volunteer corps? Picking up trash, visiting old folks, that kind of thing. Eventually they’ll fall under the spell of Obama’s America, and then they can get citizenship.
*sings*
“Obama’s gonna change it, Ob-a-ma’s gonna leeeeead ‘em…’
EnglishMike on November 10, 2008 at 2:23 PM
Serious legal question: Would being butt–f*cked to death by a 300lb guy named Bubba in the showers in Supermax constitute ‘cruel and unusual punishment’?
EnglishMike on November 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM
I say release tham all on Nantucket and in Cambridge
sultanp on November 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM
True. They should fit right in with the Chicago Thug Corps(e).
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM
We should definitely shut down GITMO; the widespread international condemnation that we have received for operating this international prison camp has completely botched our international image. I do understand the importance of Gitmo but there has to be an alternative. Either way McCain would have shut Gitmo himself, even though he didn’t come out swinging against it. Gitmo is an embarrassment. And yea please don’t come out swinging calling me the nastiest word in the English language, ‘Liberal’. I am a proud conservative and I beg to differ with you guys on this point.
jacobnyc on November 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Just proves we shouldn’t “capture” any terrorists – the alternative is much tidier.
katiejane on November 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM
I said last week that would take some time to build anew wing on the WH for his friends!
driver on November 10, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Yeah, but this version wouldn’t be ;-)
common sensineer on November 10, 2008 at 2:28 PM
With all due respect as you consider yourself a conservative, and hope you don’t prove yourself wrong later, I have to disagree… or more accurately, I have to say I really don’t give a @#*$&% about our “international image”.
Oderint dum metuant.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 10, 2008 at 2:29 PM
He’s sending the prisoners to Crawford.
drjohn on November 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Hey guys their opening a new hunting ranch in Texas! SWEEEEEET
thomasaur on November 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM
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