Quotes of the day

posted at 9:35 pm on November 9, 2008 by Allahpundit

“Some conservatives who are gluttons for punishment are getting a head start on ensuring a 2012 drubbing by prescribing peculiar medication for a misdiagnosed illness. They are monomaniacal about media bias, which is real but rarely decisive, and unhinged by their anger about the loathing of Sarah Palin by similarly deranged liberals. These conservatives, confusing pugnacity with a political philosophy, are hot to anoint Palin, an emblem of rural and small-town sensibilities, as the party’s presumptive 2012 nominee.

These conservatives preen as especially respectful of regular — or as Palin says, ‘real’ — Americans, whose tribune Palin purports to be. But note the argument that the manipulation of Americans by ‘the mainstream media’ explains the fact that the more Palin campaigned, the less Americans thought of her qualifications. This argument portrays Americans as a bovine herd — or as inert clay in the hands of wily media, which only Palin’s conservative celebrators can decipher and resist.

These conservatives, smitten by a vice presidential choice based on chromosomes, seem eager to compete on the Democrats’ terrain of identity politics, entering the ‘diversity’ sweepstakes they have hitherto rightly deplored. We have seen this movie before. Immediately after the 1972 election, some conservatives laid down the law — the 1976 Republican nominee must be Vice President Spiro Agnew.”

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“Harris … said that the party is now divided into two wings: the ‘hell, no’ wing and a ‘yes, but’ wing. ‘The ‘hell, no’ is going to fight [Obama] every step of the way’ on ideological grounds.

‘The other will say, ‘Yes, we agree with a lot of his objectives; we want to do it in a somewhat different way.’ It really, I think, goes right to a tactical and philosophical fault line in the Republican Party.’

[David] Brooks was not convinced that Sarah Palin could be taken seriously as the GOP’s next Ronald Reagan.

‘Well, the ‘hell, no’ group is rallying around her,’ he said. ‘And this past week, I don’t think, has been particularly flattering to her, the McCain people – and the whole thing has been a complete disaster. They’ve attacked her for her lack of human capital and for being a diva.

‘I’m not sure it’s all fair, but one would not say she has spent her life preparing for an intellectual revolution to lead the party out of the wilderness. Let’s put it that way.’”

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Hell to the no. :-)

Guys, Greta Van Susteren visited Sarah Palin today in Wasilla. Great pics of Sarah and her family at home.

http://gretawire.com

hockey2k5 on November 9, 2008 at 9:39 PM

In Orwell’s book, 1984, “Freedom is Slavery”. With modern conservatism it’s “Intelligence is Stupid”.

barry norris on November 9, 2008 at 9:40 PM

George who?

mred on November 9, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Not everyone who strongly disagrees with Obama views Palin as the best person to lead the fight.

Rangeley on November 9, 2008 at 9:43 PM

I think Palin is great, but I don’t have confidence that she can pull the party back together yet. She’s a tremendous governor and has great potential for national office, but she needs seasoning. I can’t wait to see what she’s capable of in four to eight years from now.

Meantime, we need leaders who are true conservatives and who understand and can be successful in today’s political landscape. There are a number of good people out there, but the party must first admit it’s time for a change.

Dee2008 on November 9, 2008 at 9:44 PM

I’m not sure it’s all fair

Really Sherlock?

javamartini on November 9, 2008 at 9:45 PM

one would not say she has spent her life preparing for an intellectual revolution to lead the party out of the wilderness.

That’s part of her appeal.
She has not spent every waking moment trying to become President.

jgapinoy on November 9, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Let’s see what Phoenix will rise from the ashes… let her finish the great work she has been doing in AK, let’s see where we all are before anointing her or anyone else. We have some cleaning to do first..

beththebaker on November 9, 2008 at 9:47 PM

As David Brooks and the other elites say:

“One More Chain – Will Set You Free!!”

Can anyone “hear” what is wrong with what they are syaing?

grtflmark on November 9, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Well I, for one, certainly agree that we should follow the strategy of moderate, establishment, Beltway Republicans.

After all, doing that has brought about such brilliant results for us, hasn’t it?

Maybe next time we can nominate somebody who, provided that he’s acceptable to the Noonans and the Christopher Buckleys of the world of course, can reach so far across the aisle the next time in order to woo the coveted Daily Kos vote that the conservative base stays home altogether instead of just a measly 7 million of them, as was the case this time.

/sarc

Here in the real world, Will and Brooks can take their canape-addicted, snobbish arses and escort themselves all the way to the other side, because obviously they’re not comfortable with “those people”, or “conservatives” as they used to be known.

Misha I on November 9, 2008 at 9:48 PM

barry norris on November 9, 2008 at 9:40 PM

hit the nail on the head

ernesto on November 9, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Not everyone who strongly disagrees with Obama views Palin as the best person to lead the fight.

I’d be happy with Palin, Jindal, Pawlenty, Mitt, Jeff Flake, or Michael Steele.
And they’re all relatively young, so the ones who aren’t annointed in ’12 will get another shot..

jgapinoy on November 9, 2008 at 9:49 PM

I think the likes of Brooks and Noonan and Parker have no say in what becomes of our future nominee or leadership. They have proved their lack of loyalty by first endorsing McCain during the primaries and then working tirelessly against him during the general.

beththebaker on November 9, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Include me in the hell no group… I will fight every little thing Obama does. I will still keep a tab on all his radical deals in chicago.

Palin has a couple of months to start her intellectual revolution to lead the party out of the wilderness

Palinpuma on November 9, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Uh… OK.

You can’t say anything negative even with it’s the truth about Obama without being a “racists” from Obama supporters and Obama himself.

But defending Palin against lies in “deranged”?

The problem with opinions, they are just like waste management systems in the human machine, everyone has one and they both smell the same.

We’ll see how Palin the candidate fairs versus Palin the VP nominee attack dog. We’ll see how she does when she’s on her own program.

Hog Wild on November 9, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Sarah Palin? The Republican nominee in 2012?

Hah! What a laugh. Sarah Palin is too good for ANY political party that would stoop so low as to allow people like David Brooks AllahPundit to participate.

My collie says:

Please don’t ban him, AP.

CyberCipher on November 9, 2008 at 9:53 PM

WHY IS DAVID BROOKS STILL CONSIDERED A CONSERVATIVE???? Seriously! The dude wrote an essay after the Olympics about how spiffy collectivist China is! If any Republican is seriously talking to him about how to rebuild the party, I’m gonna go freakin’ crazy like Homer during the Simpson’s “The Shining” spoof!

Pasalubong on November 9, 2008 at 9:54 PM

SECOND LOOK AT FRED!

flipflop on November 9, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Palin should begin her exile by reading the history of Bodacea in order to avoid her mistake.

As well as the texts on the war between Athens and Sparta, which allowed the roots of a democratic West to fragment and suffer dominance by an alien dicatatorship.

Destroying yourself by internal divisions is a failing of many otherwise great cultures.

To the cheering of their enemies.

As Obama is now cheered by the cynical world.

He divides and weakens us, and promises a crippled military, chaotic economy and delusional “unity”.

China and Russia should be backing him with all their covert might.

He is the best thing for their interests since the candidate Henry Wallace of 1948.

(Although Wallace later came to his senses about Stalinism and wrote “Where I Was Wrong” as a mea culpa. I look forward to Obama’s third autobiography of the same title.)

profitsbeard on November 9, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Why is everyone claiming that Palin is such a great governor? We haven’t seen the returns from any of her policies or proposals yet, so this must be based on either results-blind ideological affinity or her (recently decreased) approval ratings. This could all come crashing down in the next two years though, especially if the price of oil doesn’t pop back up above $75 per barrel in the next couple of months. Alaska could be running a pretty big deficit soon, and the oil price hikes that coincided with her first year as governor could eventually do her in. Before anointing Palin the savior of the Republican party, at least wait to see if anything she has done works out.

Big S on November 9, 2008 at 9:56 PM

I think Palin is great, but I don’t have confidence that she can pull the party back together yet. She’s a tremendous governor and has great potential for national office, but she needs seasoning….

Dee2008 on November 9, 2008 at 9:44 PM

…and she has the next four years to get it. But there are others; Jindal, Steele, and the like. But none will be of any use without more clarity to the goals of the party. There is a discussion going on at rebuildtheparty.com which could end up being productive. Meanwhile, the Washington Post has the obligatory “move to the center” argument by — who else? — someone from the National Review. Funny, I thought that’s what the GOP was doing over the last twenty years. Didn’t work out so far, huh, kids?

Next year’s CPAC should raise quite a ruckus, eh?

manwithblackhat on November 9, 2008 at 9:57 PM

SECOND LOOK AT FRED!

flipflop on November 9, 2008 at 9:54 PM

I love fred, but:

1: at his age in 2012, is he interested, enthused and willing to go through that grind? Would his age be an issue?

2: this time around, he didn’t seem to work very hard for the nomination, so why would he in 2012?

Red State State of Mind on November 9, 2008 at 9:58 PM

I’m “hell no”, but I’m not at all convinced that Palin can win a national presidential election or will even be ready for it.

WisCon on November 9, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Palin has to govern and study the next four years, and then we will see. She has to make appearances, gain support among conservative media and intellectuals, until the people know her and the media stop attacking her.

Sarah, read The Road to Serfdom!

PattyJ on November 9, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Hey Beth…Hey Guys…

America is supposed to be the land of opportunity where anyone can run for POTUS. This does not just apply to people within the Chicago Machine or the Beltway Elite.

Noonan has sold her soul to get in good witth the cultists at MSNBC. The others have done it just to be with the Elitists.

What this country needs are people with the ability to connect and communicate with the Average American. We do not need Elitists running for office that will say one thing in front of one crowd and something else in front of another crowd.

The Republican Party had better return to the values of the party of Ronald Reagan or it will never win another election again.

kingsjester on November 9, 2008 at 10:00 PM

‘The ‘hell, no’ is going to fight [Obama] every step of the way’ on ideological grounds.

Hell, yes! I’m in that wing.

SouthernGent on November 9, 2008 at 10:00 PM

I think Palin probably won’t be leading any intellectual revolutions, though she may join up with one. The thing is, she’s perfectly intelligent, but doesn’t seem interested in getting too deep into the philosophical underpinnings of conservatism. This is not a bad thing at all. It just means the intellectual basis for a resurgence will probably be led by someone else, e.g. a Gingrich or a Thompson.

Palin, on the other hand, is probably more sorted than either of those two for a 2012 presidential run – she has shown the adaptability and determination needed both for a campaign and for leading the country.

RINO in Name Only on November 9, 2008 at 10:01 PM

David Brooks and his “Palin is not ready” crowd helped bury the GOP and elect Obama (Obama was ready?). I don’t think he and his ilk have anything constructive to add to the conversation at this time. They sabotaged us in 08 and want to dictate ’12? Go away, David

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:01 PM

What Brooks and Will don’t understand is that we don’t think Palin’s immune from criticism– no GOP candidate should be– but (and I’m stealing this from a previous HA poster) we should be nurturing her and the next wave of GOP leaders, not bending over backwards to tear her/them down. Now she’s not worthy because she’s not coming up with her own “intellectual revolution”? What’s to revolutionize or change about our basic principles, ie, free markets, strong nat. defense, small government? What is this weird rush these bow-tied dorks have to be the smartest person in the room? We don’t need new ideas– we need people to fight passionately for the ones we have. That’s where Palin’s appeal lies, genuises… grrrrrraaaah!! Pasalubong turn green monster!

Pasalubong on November 9, 2008 at 10:01 PM

kingsjester on November 9, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Hey king.. you are 100% correct

beththebaker on November 9, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Well, we will see in a year or two.

Maybe after seeing that the desire for mediocrity by the Republican Elite brought them a left wing disaster, the pendulum might shift back to a desire for excellence that is usually only provided by real conservatives.

Now that Palin doesn’t have to carry McCain’s dirty bath water, we will have the opportunity to see the real person and her real beliefs and real potential. If she wants to be a power on the national stage, then she will have to prove that she is indeed what her biggest fans believe her to be.

LegendHasIt on November 9, 2008 at 10:02 PM

These jokers lead the GOP to disaster and now want to prescribe the exact same remedy to 2012. Most of these scumbags like Kathleen Parker, George Will, Brookes, and Buckley votes for the socialist, or greatly admire him.

Why take their advice?

The problem cannot be the solution.

sharrukin on November 9, 2008 at 10:02 PM

sorted = suited

RINO in Name Only on November 9, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Big S on November 9, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Actually, right-on-cue-troll, AK is the only state not in a recession:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081104/ts_alt_afp/financeeconomyusrecessionstates_081104200600

Pasalubong on November 9, 2008 at 10:03 PM

from Greta’s blog:

Below…Piper gets ready to go outside on the snow machine…Todd offered to give me a ride and I took him up on the offer

Now, the question I present to y’all:
Who would you rather sit behind on a snow machine: a Brooks, a Will, a Noonan, a Parker, or a Palin?

I know my answer.

vermillionsky on November 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Never confuse a leader with a manager, a technocrat or an intellectual. Sarah is a natural leader. That is a skill set they do not teach in the universities. Managers, technocrats and elite intellectuals are pumped out every day and are a dime a dozen. Leaders are few and far between.

Gandalf on November 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM

We can’t have that, can we Pasalubong? Obama must kill the drill and show the citizenry just how bad this Palin is!

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM

We’re doomed. They’re gonna continue to savage Palin until she’s toxic enough that there’s no way she has another shot at national office. The mushy middle will be swayed by their attacks, and the media will be all too willing to pile on. Frankly, the more they attack the more I’m convinced she’s the right person for the GOP, because they see a real threat…the cocktail pseudo conservative crowd sees their influence diminish with her in charge, and the Left sees someone that really connects with people. But, indies won’t see it that way, and they’re more likely to be taken in by whatever narrative the media is peddling at the time.

changer1701 on November 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Look, Palin’s strong suit thus far has been her relatively unpublicized ability to weed out corruption. She should be in demand at some capacity to help clean house- ours and the big ol’ mess Obama and tugs will create.

beththebaker on November 9, 2008 at 10:06 PM

I am in the “Hell No,” group.

mindhacker on November 9, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Greta has been one of the more tolerable media divas. NO WAY should Palin condescend to do Oprah or ever speak to Gibson again. A pox on the MSM

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:07 PM

We can’t have that, can we Pasalubong? Obama must kill the drill and show the citizenry just how bad this Palin is!

Actually, that is my fear– and I’m not talking in a tin-foil-hat way. I believe so many knives are out for her, both in AK now and in national politics that elected politicos will do what they can just to embarrass her, even if it means gutting good policy. No Dem– and now we see many jealous Repubs– don’t want to give her any victory. She could say, “Hey legislature, let’s nurse these puppies back to health” and Dems wouldn’t do it just to say, “Puppies died under Sarah Palin’s watch.”

Pasalubong on November 9, 2008 at 10:08 PM

NO WAY should Palin condescend to do Oprah or ever speak to Gibson again. A pox on the MSM

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I agree. No Oprah. No Larry King. No Baba Wawa.

CanadianGuy on November 9, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Never confuse a leader with a manager, a technocrat or an intellectual. Sarah is a natural leader. That is a skill set they do not teach in the universities. Managers, technocrats and elite intellectuals are pumped out every day and are a dime a dozen. Leaders are few and far between.

Gandalf on November 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Leaders also understand where the rubber hits the road. Principles require enough understanding of the their implementation in order to ensure that the right idea doesn’t produce the wrong result. If she can work on fleshing out the details behind her ideas she’ll be received better in 2012 than she was in 2008.

dedalus on November 9, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Not everyone who strongly disagrees with Obama views Palin as the best person to lead the fight.

Rangeley on November 9, 2008 at 9:43 PM

+1

haner on November 9, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Now, the question I present to y’all:
Who would you rather sit behind on a snow machine: a Brooks, a Will, a Noonan, a Parker, or a Palin?

Uhhhhh..hmmmm…uhhhh… PALIN!

beththebaker on November 9, 2008 at 10:09 PM

George Will and David Brooks: two pet “conservatives” of the MSM. They are extremely valuable to the Republican Party. Listen closely to everything they say, and do the opposite. They are CINO’s. They are true elitists. They believe that all enlightened people will see what they see, and that is that America can only be led by people experienced in the ways of Washington, DC.

Buford Gooch on November 9, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Greta has been one of the more tolerable media divas. NO WAY should Palin condescend to do Oprah or ever speak to Gibson again. A pox on the MSM

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I totally agree. I will be disappointed if Palin agrees to do Oprah or The View, or any of those horrid shows. Palin is a ratings magnet.. don’t give them the business.

vermillionsky on November 9, 2008 at 10:10 PM

I don’t get why all this emphasis is placed on intellectual ability or philosophical bent. We are talking about a voting public that has trouble sitting through a 30 second attack ad. How do you think about a treatise on the influence of Rousseau in the modern world would go over? How Burke was right about France, Smith was smarter than Marx … Reagan’s success was not because he was an intellectual heavyweight (wasn’t Goldwater brilliant) but he was a communicator. I believe that is what Palin is. A leader doesn’t need intellect as much as they need courage and the ability to delegate

Rasputin on November 9, 2008 at 10:11 PM

I send George Will an email telling him and his cronies what I thought of their elitism and how it had destroyed the GOP. I don’t expect to hear anything back but it made me feel good and lowered my blood pressure about 100 points.

flytier on November 9, 2008 at 10:11 PM

NO WAY should Palin condescend to do Oprah or ever speak to Gibson again. A pox on the MSM

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:07 PM

She can stay away from the MSM but she would end up speaking only to an audience that already supports her, and that isn’t enough votes to get her to 270 electorals.

dedalus on November 9, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Media bias rarely decisive? What the F is he smoking? Man, I used to think George Will was intelligent. He’s a rube.

fossten on November 9, 2008 at 10:11 PM

How about a …
Liberal Party (far left)
Moderates Party (standing for nuttin’, so we needn’t pay attention)
Conservative Party (tried and true, Reagan-like)
????
And I’m prayin’ for this : http://tinyurl.com/6csmvg

pambi on November 9, 2008 at 10:11 PM

The MSM took the two capons and decided they were the roosters. Why do we let the MSM decide who our leadership is?

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM

flytier

Do share. Did you keep it nice or did f-bombs get the best of you? ;)

Pasalubong on November 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Can we get some kind of a sh*t-list of “conservative” pundits never to read again? In particular, any who towed the leftist line on Sarah Palin, and especially, those who endorsed Obama because they wanted to be on the side of the winner. As a WSJ subscriber I intend to start clipping Peggy Noonan’s columns and mailing them back to the editor with “DO NOT WANT” in red marker on them.

joe_doufu on November 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM

As a WSJ subscriber I intend to start clipping Peggy Noonan’s columns and mailing them back to the editor with “DO NOT WANT” in red marker on them.

joe_doufu on November 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM

LOL…I actually had my drink come out of my nose!

beththebaker on November 9, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Well dedalus, I don’t see how speaking to a media that edits her interviews into compost or who avidly supports her opponent is so damn useful either

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM

I hope that Sarah Palin stays in Alaska (I am an Alaska resident). The Republican Party doesn’t deserve her. I hope that they continue to listen to the “big brains” in the D.C. elite and continue to lose every election along the way (and they will). This arrogant, disgusting group of politicians should have taken the beating they took in 2006 to heart and made the necessary Party changes, but they didn’t. They continued to try to use the Jedi mind tricks and tell people “You don’t want conservatives, you want John McCain and Lindsey Graham and Bill Kristol.” The Republican Party has lost its soul and has become nothing less than a power driven political whore who would do and say anything for power.

What I can’t understand is why so many people (Hannity, Rush, many on this site) continue to stick with the Party. Why do you have loyalty to a brand that has basically told you to piss off and fall in line? I mean come on folks – take a step back and look at what happened – the Republican Party nominated JOHN MCCAIN as its presidential nominee. If that doesn’t tell you all you need to know, then nothing will.

King of the Britons on November 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM

We don’t need new ideas– we need people to fight passionately for the ones we have. That’s where Palin’s appeal lies, genuises… grrrrrraaaah!! Pasalubong turn green monster!

Pasalubong on November 9, 2008 at 10:01 PM

I am The Monster, and I approve of this message

The Monster on November 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Will and Brooks would have us nominate Zombie Nelson Rockefeller in 2012. . . and AP would cheer them on!

How many more times you going to “pile-on” AP? Give it a rest – we get it.

MCPO Airdale on November 9, 2008 at 10:15 PM

But note the argument that the manipulation of Americans by ‘the mainstream media’ explains the fact that the more Palin campaigned, the less Americans thought of her qualifications. This argument portrays Americans as a bovine herd — or as inert clay in the hands of wily media, which only Palin’s conservative celebrators can decipher and resist.

Um, no, Mr Will. The more you and other of our “pundits” and MSM-types hammered over and over that Sarah Palin is unqualified, the more the “herd” thought she wasn’t. The more I saw her campaigning and especially in recent interviews, the more impressed I am.

ddrintn on November 9, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Well dedalus, I don’t see how speaking to a media that edits her interviews into compost or who avidly supports her opponent is so damn useful either

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM

A politician needs to go where the votes are. Having fewer, but more excited, voters doesn’t win an election. Reagan dealt well with the MSM. Even Bush 41, while talking over Dan Rather, found a way to play the game and win.

dedalus on November 9, 2008 at 10:17 PM

What I can’t understand is why so many people (Hannity, Rush, many on this site) continue to stick with the Party.
King of the Britons on November 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM

I get the impression that you don’t listen to either Rush or Hannity, much… hehe.

pambi on November 9, 2008 at 10:17 PM

I hope Palin ignores everyone and focuses on being Governor. Stay popular and get re-elected in 2010 serving until 2014. She should plan on running in 2016.

If past is prologue Obama will have no problem winning a second term. Carter and Bush senior were the exceptions.

Sure, if the country is falling apart she could consider 2012 but don’t count on it. Either way she should play it very close to the vest.

patrick neid on November 9, 2008 at 10:17 PM

I’m all for the ‘Cuda, but in 2016. I think she needs the extra time to really distill her views, her governing philosophy, her vision for the country, and to bone up on policy (Reagan spent quite a few years doing this as well). She has such a young family (including an baby with special needs who is going to require lots of time), and she’s going to be governing a state through some tough times (economic and otherwise). Given all of that, I don’t think she’s going to have enough hours in the day to get everything done (which is when she would have to start running).

Waiting until 2016 gives her two terms as governor (I think she should run for and serve a full second term); and more time to build good will in the party and reach out to some independents like she’s done in Alaska, to prepare herself for the run and to build a great team around her, and it gives lots of time for people to forget about all this crap that going on right now.

meltenn on November 9, 2008 at 10:17 PM

I hope that Sarah Palin stays in Alaska (I am an Alaska resident). The Republican Party doesn’t deserve her. I hope that they continue to listen to the “big brains” in the D.C. elite and continue to lose every election along the way (and they will). This arrogant, disgusting group of politicians should have taken the beating they took in 2006 to heart and made the necessary Party changes, but they didn’t. They continued to try to use the Jedi mind tricks and tell people “You don’t want conservatives, you want John McCain and Lindsey Graham and Bill Kristol.” The Republican Party has lost its soul and has become nothing less than a power driven political whore who would do and say anything for power.

What I can’t understand is why so many people (Hannity, Rush, many on this site) continue to stick with the Party. Why do you have loyalty to a brand that has basically told you to piss off and fall in line? I mean come on folks – take a step back and look at what happened – the Republican Party nominated JOHN MCCAIN as its presidential nominee. If that doesn’t tell you all you need to know, then nothing will.

King of the Britons on November 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Quoted for truth!

The unfortunate part is that setting up a separate party is a long process.

sharrukin on November 9, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Yeah…I’m gonna look to George Will and David Brooks for advice.

It's Vintage, Duh on November 9, 2008 at 10:18 PM

These conservatives preen as especially respectful of regular — or as Palin says, ‘real’ — Americans, whose tribune Palin purports to be. But note the argument that the manipulation of Americans by ‘the mainstream media’ explains the fact that the more Palin campaigned, the less Americans thought of her qualifications. This argument portrays Americans as a bovine herd — or as inert clay in the hands of wily media, which only Palin’s conservative celebrators can decipher and resist.

Well, the ^$%#%%3 media convinced the herd to vote for The Obama™ so why should anyone think they couldn’t destroy Palin?

johnsteele on November 9, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Yeah…I’m gonna look to George Will and David Brooks for advice.

Sadly, it seems no RNC strategists are saying the same…

Pasalubong on November 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Brooks and Will need to learn a lesson from the dems, while many thought Hillary was the better choice they didn’t natter about it in the newspapers! You don’t win elections with a slogan of “Vote for Us, We Suck!”, now do you?

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM

changer1701 on November 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM

This is way, way too pessimistic. What is the point in throwing up our hands and saying “We’re doomed”? If its true, we may as well leave the country, or at least give up politics. And if its not true, then it is just demoralizing.

Palin has an uphill climb to recover, but she has plenty of advantages she can use:

1. She has great personal charisma. Even Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin were charmed.

2. She hasn’t been damaged that badly. The interviews made a lot of people think she was unserious, but only a small group of people strongly dislike her personally, thanks to point 1. People who just think you are stupid, but don’t actively dislike you, are often very inclined to give you second chances. Since Palin is a quick study, she will probably soon learn enough policy to survive most interviews, and she can probably also learn a few tricks to minimize the damage from the really hostile interviewers.

3. She already has name recognition and an enthusiastic support base.

4. There is nothing really troubling about her record as governor – she was pretty pragmatic, and earned a lot of respect from the people of her state, despite making a lot of political enemies.

5. She not only has a lot of political talent, but also, a number of political observers have noticed that talent. That means she will have the guidance she needs to hone her political skills

6. She has shown very clearly that she knows how to reject bad advice once it becomes clear that its bad. This is something I wish Bush had been a little better at, by the way. Palin will probably not let herself be surrounded by people who are trying to sabotage her.

So cheer up, and pull yourselves together, people.

RINO in Name Only on November 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Given all of that, I don’t think she’s going to have enough hours in the day to get everything done (which is when she would have to start running).

Sorry, meant to say that she won’t have enough hours in the day to get everything done in two years which is when the 2012 race will kick off.

meltenn on November 9, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Palin can’t realistically campaign for the nomination and run for President while still performing the duties of Governor of Alaska so we’ll in 2 years when her gubernatorial term ends whether she wants to take another run at national office.

Basilsbest on November 9, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Why is everyone claiming that Palin is such a great governor? We haven’t seen the returns from any of her policies or proposals yet, so this must be based on either results-blind ideological affinity or her (recently decreased) approval ratings. This could all come crashing down in the next two years though, especially if the price of oil doesn’t pop back up above $75 per barrel in the next couple of months. Alaska could be running a pretty big deficit soon, and the oil price hikes that coincided with her first year as governor could eventually do her in. Before anointing Palin the savior of the Republican party, at least wait to see if anything she has done works out.

Big S on November 9, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Leaving aside the who-should-lead-Republicans argument for a moment, the people of this country were prepared to elect The Obama™, an empty suit if there ever was one. Palin could go to sleep for the next four years and she would still be more accomplished than the man the voters of this once-proud nation elected President.

johnsteele on November 9, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Oh for God sake, Basilsbest, do you mean to suggest that all the other sitting governors who ran were “extra special”?

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Brooks said that Emanuel gave him the impression that Democrats “want to do everything at once. They want, as you called it, the big-bang theory. I think that’s a disastrous mistake. You’re going to tell me you’re going to solve an incredibly difficult economic crisis, at the same time you’re going to reorganize 14 percent of the American economy? Health care? I think that would be a gigantic overreach.”

And so, this effing idiot Obama-knobbing, pretend conservative, 5 days into The Enlightenment already is defining what is about to happen as “a gigantic overreach”, even while he continues to delude himself that it’s not going to happen.

Oh, it’s going to happen, Mr. Brooks.

And only liberal Republican dipshits like you could have prevented it, by using the powers of your great intellects to look at the history of Obama, and seeing clearly that he is just a leftist, with no economic knowledge, background, or experience, and a boundless ego and ambition.

Great combination there, Sport.

Jaibones on November 9, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Palin/Thompson/2012!

The Dynamic duo.

And,no more interviews unless it someone that
can be trust worthy?

After the hitjob of Gibson,then Couric,at that
point,I suggested no more interviews!

The MSM had an agenda,in the tank with Hopey/
Changey,and yet,SarahCuda still did interviews!

I trust Greta.

And,enough of the infighting of Republicans,if
the Party doesn’t come first,if selfish career
comes first before Party,in which you will damage
said Party,or sucking up to the Lefty MSM,then,

its purge time!

In the next four years,the MSM,the DNC,and all
their little groups,will be conducting gorilla
political warfare,

especially with Ramanuel sticking his steak knife
into his steak at a liberal function,and screaming
dead,killed in reference to Republican’s!!!

canopfor on November 9, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Personally I think that the conservative punditry is divided into two camps on Sarah Palin. Those that have met her in person and have actually had a conversation with her and liked what they heard and saw. and those that have not met her in person, no nothing about her other than what they have read or been told by others, obviously have no idea what they are talking about and react to her negatively out of sheer intellectual snobbery.

The reality is that two months ago she was a popular first term Governor from an out of the way state who was suddenly and unexpentantly cast center stage in a national election. Where in my opinion she performed magnificently and showed that she really is a player to watch. Give her four years to prepare, build up experience, gain gravitas and craft a resonating narrative of her own and I believe Sarah Palin will be a dominating force in national politics for many years to come.

Dreadnought223 on November 9, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Oh for God sake, Basilsbest, do you mean to suggest that all the other sitting governors who ran were “extra special”?

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:26 PM

She can’t possibly do much worse than Jennifer Granholm, who seems to be set to help do for us what she did for Michigan.

ddrintn on November 9, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Look…Fellow Anti Palinites and Palinites, Can we all agree one thing. Let’s give her a chance to show her stuff if she decides to run. let’s not kill now. Let’s see if she up to the task for running this country.

Palinpuma on November 9, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Gee I think W and Dukakis were both sitting governors, maybe, huh? It’s such a phony argument

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Brooks also expresses astonishment that anyone thinks that a great candidate is going to come from nowhere to lead us, since –

“By the way, that took Reagan years, a full generation to do that.”

Um…Brooksy? You just voted for a socialist nitwit that you had never heard of four years ago. And you’re a “conservative”. Think maybe someone you already know about could develop a following in four years?

Jaibones on November 9, 2008 at 10:30 PM

I’ll take “Hell No” for $500, Alex.

George Will is delusional if he thinks the media didn’t play an overwhelming role in Obama not only being elected but nominated.

liquidflorian on November 9, 2008 at 10:31 PM

After the hitjob of Gibson,then Couric,at that
point,I suggested no more interviews!

canopfor on November 9, 2008 at 10:27 PM

She can’t hide from the MSM. I would suggest that she do more interviews with hostile interviewers. Part of the “seasoning” that some referred to above means learning how to eviscerate MSM-types with grace and a smile. I think she was actually getting better at that.

ddrintn on November 9, 2008 at 10:32 PM

yeah, us mouth-breathin cousin-humpers over here on the right dont like us no learnin’ and high falootin’ smartypants people, we want to nominate the dumbest person possible!

/sarc

seriously though, i think we just have different views of what constitutes intelligence. for some it’s quoting niebhur at the drop of a hat. for others it’s the ability to learn and adapt to your situation and be able to make good choices along the way.

i would like palin to have some more seasoning before running for president. i dont think anyone, even those who love her, would complain if she familiarized herself more with all aspects of how the govt works and thought through why she believes what she believes on these federal issues. governor of alaska doesnt deal with most of those issues so it’s neither a surprise nor unexpected that she needed some preparation. i dont think this reflects poorly on her.
now she has about 3 years to get ready for the 2012 race. policy positions can be learned, familiarity with issues can be gained. she’s shown herself to be a quick study and 3 years is a long time.

as crazy as this may sound to some of you, there are indeed intelligent people who never set foot in the hallowed halls of the ivy league.

hump1201 on November 9, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Look, Palin’s strong suit thus far has been her relatively unpublicized ability to weed out corruption.

beththebaker on November 9, 2008 at 10:06 PM

I like your point, but you stopped short.

Palin cut federal funding in Alaska by about 50% from the Republican Governor she replaced. Palin is a budget and fiscal conservative hawk.

When was the last time a Governor gave back a rebate check of any size to every tax paying citizen of the state? I’m 44 years old, never lived in Alaska, I have lived in 5 different states, and I never have gotten one.

Palin has a hodge podge of political leaning people on her staff. Obama isn’t coming up with a new idea appointing the opposite party people to his cabinet, Palin has already done it.

A different poster said something about Palin’s current poll numbers. Please…. she’s been running for national office for 9 weeks. Taking any current Palin poll numbers in Alaska seriously right now, and I don’t know if they have dropped or stayed the same, if they had dropped then you must consider the following. Since announcing his run for the Presidency, Obama’s Senate apprearances must be considered to his credibility as well. Was he working for the people who elected him or running for a national office? It’s a silly arguement.

Plus, Happy Birthday to all Marines far and wide. May God bless you, especially those deployed into harm’s way. I love you guy’s and gal’s. You always have and continue to make me proud. Semper Fi.

Hog Wild on November 9, 2008 at 10:32 PM

I seem to adding more faux conservative opinionist to my list of never reads anymore.

Kini on November 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM

The McCain team was prepping Sarah on what to say, how to say it. She wasn’t able to be herself. As long as she doesn’t use the Maverick word. I noticed that other Democrats, that didn’t want to vote for BO. Complained about that word. Don’t know why. I believe she can be ready for it. Look at The Dictator, he doesn’t know jack shi* and he won.

sheebe on November 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM

The Republican party is in terrible shape. And Palin isn’t the cause. It’s the ‘yes, but’ wing. The Republicans biggest enemies are inside the party. To many in the party think the way to win people over and be liked is to tear apart there own people. We really need to clean house.

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Ampersand on November 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Was Hopey/Changey(Obama)a Governor?

No,he wasn’t!

How many Senators became Presidents?

canopfor on November 9, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Why don’t people see through the elitists? They will never accept the likes of Gov. Palin for the simple reason she is one of us, a member of the real people. Noonan and Brooks are nothing more than shallow minds who went to all the “right” schools and run with the “Sophisticated” crowd. They’re more interested in appearances than substance.
Give me a real person like Sara Palin who has the courage to fight over those ego inflated dunces any day.

americanpatriot on November 9, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Lets see… the ONLY National Republican leader who came from the Grass Roots of the party… not the elite insiders or from a Political family (Bush)…. Is being torn down by the same Elite Insiders who helped lose the last two elections…

The Republican party is having an identity crises… Elites and insiders vs Grass roots Conservatives… and how this develops will decide whether the Republican party suvives.

So far, from a leadership standpoint, its not looking good.

Romeo13 on November 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Not everyone who strongly disagrees with Obama views Palin as the best person to lead the fight.
I’d be happy with Palin, Jindal, Pawlenty, Mitt, Jeff Flake, or Michael Steele.
And they’re all relatively young, so the ones who aren’t annointed in ‘12 will get another shot..

jgapinoy on November 9, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Don’t forget Thad McCotter. This is a man who bears watching. Lets not get hung up on a cult of personality. This is what I am seeing now. I love Sarah but she is not the Conservative Messiah.

HawaiiLwyr on November 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM

The Republican party is in terrible shape. And Palin isn’t the cause. It’s the ‘yes, but’ wing. The Republicans biggest enemies are inside the party. To many in the party think the way to win people over and be liked is to tear apart there own people. We really need to clean house.

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Ampersand on November 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM

“Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors, which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?” ;)

ddrintn on November 9, 2008 at 10:37 PM

If it wasn’t for Palin, they wouldn’t have gotten all the votes that they did. McCain couldn’t have done it without her. That is a true fact! Notice how she packed the people? And his wasn’t that packed?

sheebe on November 9, 2008 at 10:37 PM

For God sakes, people Noonan went to Fairleigh Dickinson in NJ, and that is no Harvard, it’s not even University of Idaho

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:37 PM

I agree. No Oprah. No Larry King. No Baba Wawa.

I’ll add: no Matt Lauer to that list. At this point all they want is ratings for themselves, and to make the ‘Cuda look bad and rehash the campaign. Don’t do it Sarah! Talk to the local Alaska media and show that you’re focused on governing and promoting the state. Wait a few months then come back slowly with interviews with Glenn Beck, et al. and build your way back to MSM (and still talk to them sparingly).

I think she’ll probably do all these interviews. The desire to defend herself, and maybe a little like of the spotlight (you don’t run for higher office if you don’t enjoy the spotlight at least a little) will probably compel her to talk to them.

meltenn on November 9, 2008 at 10:38 PM

Noonan is only an elite because she says so

clnurnberg on November 9, 2008 at 10:38 PM

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