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Politico: McCain staffers starting to rally to Palin’s defense; Update: Biegun debunks NAFTA, Africa smears

posted at 2:00 pm on November 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Better late than never. Nothing yet from Steve Schmidt, but foreign policy guru Steve Biegun and spokesman Tracy Schmitt — among others — are on the case.

That she remains a player and may be the party’s nominee in four years would make it smart politics for Republican staffers to praise her in print. But those who went on the record suggest that they were doing so out of genuine affection for Palin and a sense that the image of her coming out of the election – that of a self-absorbed conniver — was not indicative of the person they knew.

“I’m appalled by it because Sarah Palin was one of nicest people I have ever had the chance to work with,” says Biegun, a former Bush NSC aide. “I’ve worked in Washington for 20 years, on the Hill, in the White House and in the private sector, and she ranks at the highest levels of decency, kindness and graciousness of anybody I’ve ever worked with.”…

“Gov. Palin was a breath of fresh air, particularly for those of us who’ve been living in the Washington bubble,” said Tracey Schmitt, the vice presidential nominee’s traveling spokeswoman and a veteran of the RNC and both Bush campaigns. “Because she is a working mom, she brought a real sense of perspective to the campaign trail, which was important.”…

Two other McCain aides who were pressed unexpectedly into Palin duty also have only positive things to say about her now

“One of the great developments of this campaign is the addition of Sarah Palin as a powerful and energetic new voice in American public life,” said Taylor Griffin, a McCain press aide who had been focusing on economic issues until he was dispatched to Alaska in late August. “She’s smart, insightful, and has an uncanny ability to ask the right questions.”

Biegun is the one who approved the prank call from “Sarkozy” and was, apparently, quite graciously absolved for it by the ‘Cuda afterwards.

Here’s more on her diva-ness or lack thereof from Greta’s show last night. Exit question: Romney likes to refer (awkwardly) to conservatism as a three-legged stool of “strong military, strong economy and strong family.” Palin’s cornered the market on the last one, but that’s the least important insofar as Obama’s first term will be defined by how well he handles the first two. If the economy comes back, Afghanistan improves, and he keeps the bomb out of Iran’s hands, no one will beat him in 2012. If, god help us, the economy’s still in the toilet and foreign policy is a shambles, we’ll run on that. Either way, social conservatism won’t matter much except to the extent that it usually does, as a basic litmus test to make sure the base turns out. In which case, what’s the argument for Palin, who’s young enough to wait and run in 2016, 2020, or even, conceivably, in 2032, when she’d still be younger than Maverick was this year? Newt, on the other hand…

Update: More from Biegun via Lowry at the Corner:

He says there’s no way she didn’t know Africa was a continent, and whoever is saying she didn’t must be distorting “a fumble of words.” He talked to her about all manner of issues relating to Africa, from failed states to the Sudan. She was aware from the beginning of the conflict in Darfur, which is followed closely in evangelical churches, and was aware of Clinton’s AIDS initiative. That basically makes it impossible that she thought all of Africa was a country.

On not knowing what countries are in NAFTA, Biegun was part of the conversation that led to that accusation and it convinces him “somebody is acting with a high degree of maliciousness.” He was briefing Palin before a Univision interview, and talking to her about trade issues. He rolled through NAFTA, CAFTA, and the Colombia FTA. As he talked, people were coming in and out of the room, handing Palin things, etc. She was distracted from what Biegun was saying, and said, roughly, “Ok, who’s in NAFTA, what the deal with CAFTA, what’s up the FTA?”—her way, Biegun says, of saying “rack them and stack them,” begin again from the start. “Somebody is taking a conversation and twisting it maliciously,” he says.


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Palin’s defending herself just fine. Did you hear her yesterday? She said she’d spoken with McCain already, and added, “I love John McCain.” I think it came from her heart. None of this crud will stick if she performs well in a sustained way.

There are still leftists convinced that Reagan was a doddering dunce. So what?

CK MacLeod on November 8, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Didn’t Dear Leader promise that the first thing he will do as President is enact the Freedom of Choice Act, to ensure that a mother may at anytime for any reason kill her fetus? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

bloggless on November 8, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Is it possible to have a reverse McCarthyism?

mindhacker on November 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM

ddrintn on November 8, 2008 at 2:47 PM

I think he is trying to figure out which way will cause less damage for his return back to the senate. Sorry to say it, but I’m glad his age will prevent him from ever returning for another run for president.

sherry on November 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM

If the economy is in an upswing in 2012 and if Afghanistan has gone well and if foreign policy in general is going well (which I hope for because I don’t want to go broke or die) then our best argument will be social conservatism.

myrenovations on November 8, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Given the Democratic mindset and track record, those are pretty huge “if”s.

ddrintn on November 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Carl Cameron should be ashamed, as should Fox News for running with this “story” before fully checking it out. And please spare me how they had the “scoop” and had to run with it. No major news outfit should have run with this story before fully investigating it. Fox stooped to National Enquirer standards

Look, I love Fox and refuse to boycott them. But does anyone remember whose affiliate it was back in 2000 that was given the story to break when it was leaked about President Bush’s DUI? Hmmm? Anyone?

hawkdriver on November 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM

“Somebody is taking a conversation and twisting it maliciously,” he says.

That “someone” needs to be identified and excommunicated.

Maquis on November 8, 2008 at 2:53 PM

I am beginning to think that McCain does know who is the culprit.

Here’s what we know he knows.

Two weeks before the election someone — presumably Schunaeman — leaked to the Politico that Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace were planning to blame Palin for the election loss to protect their reps and Maverick’s rep.

This created a big witchhunt within the campaign to find the person — not who leaked the Diva stories, but who leaked the story about the plan to destroy Palin. It was discovered that Schunaemann had been in communication with Bill Kristol. Apparently Rick Davis fired Schuenaemann last Friday, but McCain intervened because he did not his campaign to look like it was imploding.

So … McCain was aware that there was a plan to blame Palin for the election loss … his campaign was more concerned about finding the person leaking this plot to the media … if McCain told his staff not to smear Palin after the election then they didn’t listen to him … McCain appears to not have lifted a finger about all these Palin leaks until Friday two days after they first surfaced.

CanadianGuy on November 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM

There is absolutely no way to stop the smears if Reps engage Codependent Media. There is a sure way and that is to let them go. “Oh, there’s that smell again.” (Thanks RR)

Let’s pretend that the real Sarah Palin has gone back to AK and is governing with the 80% favorable. Let’s laugh when Narcissus wilts playing with the big boys even though we as the US are hurting. Plenty of time. And “time wounds all heels.”

There’s a Palin in your future.

Caststeel on November 8, 2008 at 2:56 PM

The most important issue is that Palin had the audacity to answer the door in a bathrobe. If no-one comes to her defense in this, I can’t support her anymore!

/sarc

moonsbreath on November 8, 2008 at 2:57 PM

The One IS MEETING MEDVEDEV ON POLAND MISSLE SHIELD http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/08/kremlin-medvedev-obama-plan-meet-soon/comments/

Palinpuma on November 8, 2008 at 2:57 PM

“If the economy comes back, Afghanistan improves, and he keeps the bomb out of Iran’s hands, no one will beat him in 2012.”

Wow. You’re already getting depressive about an election that’s FOUR YEARS AWAY.

Something is wrong with you. Seriously.

Muledriver on November 8, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Maybe this works better.

Security: Strong Military
Economy: Low taxes, deregulation
Morality: Personal Responsibility, Family values?

Security+Economy: Energy policy, Free trade
Security+Morality: Opposition to dictatorships, War on Terror
Economy+Morality: private charity, welfare reform, anti-corruption/earmarking

Security+Economy+Morality: ?

Count to 10 on November 8, 2008 at 2:58 PM

I wonder if Joe Biden loves his boss Barack Obama.

technopeasant on November 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM

McCarthy was right!!!

thomasaur on November 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Meanwhile, Mr. “Pretend I’m The President Already” actually gave a radio address today. Has that ever happened before?
Can’t he just finish his friggin’ waffle, and let the actual POTUS finish his term?

He’s having as much fun as he can until December 1st the day the Supreme Court has requested he provide them with the original copy of his birth certificate.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM

So … McCain was aware that there was a plan to blame Palin for the election loss … his campaign was more concerned about finding the person leaking this plot to the media … if McCain told his staff not to smear Palin after the election then they didn’t listen to him … McCain appears to not have lifted a finger about all these Palin leaks until Friday two days after they first surfaced.

CanadianGuy on November 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Which makes him either spineless or completely self-absorbed. (okay, both). I still can not get over that he was noted and admired by the MSM for immediately squelching anyone who cast dispersion on his opponent, but now he abandons the one person that carried his sorry ass through the last weeks of the campaign. As rough a road it is going to be with Obama, I do think we dodged a bullet and if we are strong and organized we can set up shop in the Oval Office for a long extended run.

sherry on November 8, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Give us Sarah or give us death.

Msm and and the party apparatnik are trying to take Democracy away from the people.

the_nile on November 8, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Look, I love Fox and refuse to boycott them. But does anyone remember whose affiliate it was back in 2000 that was given the story to break when it was leaked about President Bush’s DUI? Hmmm? Anyone?

hawkdriver on November 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM

The point was Fox giving top billing to a story that was not fully investigated. If I am not mistaken, the Bush DUI was public record, no? While the timing was suspect, that the story was true was not in doubt. That the Palin rumors are true is obviously in great doubt.

SAZMD on November 8, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Carl Cameron should be ashamed

When cameron reported that story he did it with excitement and enthusiasm. He either has something very much against Palin or for the person who told him. He’s been a regular on a few conservative radio shows. That may be a thing of the past by his own volition. He won’t want to face the firing squad.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:02 PM

“If the economy comes back, Afghanistan improves, and he keeps the bomb out of Iran’s hands, no one will beat him in 2012.”

Wow. You’re already getting depressive about an election that’s FOUR YEARS AWAY.

Something is wrong with you. Seriously.

Muledriver on November 8, 2008 at 2:58 PM

I think he’s too young to have lived through the 1970’s, and particularly the Carter presidency. And he’s grown up in an era where recessions have been short because for the most part, Republicans had control of economic policy. Thus, he’s never experienced the economy largely being in the crapper for 4 years straight.

Ironically, Obama’s best hope of winning in 2012 might be for Republicans to win congress in 2010 and blunt him and the Democrats on their worst instincts.

thirteen28 on November 8, 2008 at 3:03 PM

This is whole thing just plain stupid. Drop it already.

jeez Louise.

Bruno Strozek on November 8, 2008 at 3:03 PM

He’s having as much fun as he can until December 1st the day the Supreme Court has requested he provide them with the original copy of his birth certificate.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Right. And then “President Biden” would be sworn in in January. This is supposed to be better how?

Count to 10 on November 8, 2008 at 3:05 PM

He’s having as much fun as he can until December 1st the day the Supreme Court has requested he provide them with the original copy of his birth certificate.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Peace, please give me details. I have been hoping against hope that this would be the surprise ending and a wonderful Christmas present for all.

sherry on November 8, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Unfortunately, the die is cast. The late night comedians have their material, and the internet is abuzz about how supposedly stupid she is.
SAZMD on November 8, 2008 at 2:44 PM

In politics, 1 week is a life time and 4 years is forever. At the beginning of the 2008 campaign, the conventional wisdom was that Hillary Clinton was a lousy campaigner. By the end of the primaries, though she lost, she had garnered a great deal of respect for her toughness from her conservative critics. We still didn’t like her, but we did find something to admire in her.

This image of Palin as an airhead will only persists if she really is an airhead. The evidence to the contrary is so overwhelming that I don’t think it can be sustained for four years without new material being provided by Palin. I just don’t see that happening. IMHO that woman is very smart but inexperienced, especially with the national media. She got a big lesson in 2008 and if you compare her interviews at the end of the campaign to those at the beginning you’ll see a world of difference. She’s a fast learner.

So if in 2012 the economy and foreign policy are in shambles and Palin is performing strongly in the debates and in interviews, no one is going to care about her gaffes from interviews from 4 years in the past. Now I imagine we’ll always hear jokes about shooting moose, but they’ll be tinged with a tone more of affection than mockery. And Sarah, as she did on SNL, will be laughing along with the audience.

All the way to the White House, I hope.

PackerBronco on November 8, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Meanwhile, Mr. “Pretend I’m The President Already” actually gave a radio address today. Has that ever happened before?

This loser, I mean winner, is employing an earworm campaign now to penetrate his dear leadership into our brains.

econavenger on November 8, 2008 at 3:07 PM

I don’t participate here that often, but I did post before the election that I thought that McCain would rather have kept his favored son status with the MSM and the NY Times, than say and do what was needed in order to get elected. The pre and post election polls that showed Sarah with a higher approval status than McCain pushed him over the edge, and his team saw this and reacted.
Question.
Who served as a blocking back in the Primaries for McCain, by staying in and sponging off votes that Mitt would have gotten?
Who would think, seeing Sarah and Mitt soiled after this crap is circulated, this would help me down the road?
Huckabee.

kflynn on November 8, 2008 at 3:10 PM

He was pro-choice and suddenly flipped when he was trying to be the Republican nominee. Nobody trusts him on it (except for Romney groupies).

Darth Executor on November 8, 2008 at 2:41 PM

The question was about family, but since you insist on going this route, has his wife, Ann, had any abortions do ya think?

But hey, it’s so much better to skewer people for becoming more conservative instead of welcoming them into the fold. Apparently people like you are just so perfect that Mitt and his family cannot possibly hold a candle to you, so they shouldn’t even bother trying.

Buy Danish on November 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Hey guys, let Palin alone. Enough with your policies and ideas. Sarah Palin is the one with the 80% rating.

A bit of space and time will work wonders. Narcissus do not bloom long and even then in the early spring. Weeds cover the bulbs the rest of the year. A neglected garden, and this collection of egoists will be one, attracts the most vicious and pernicious weeds so The Narcissus will disappear in a wilderness of his own.

Our job, and we have no choice, is to undo almost 80 years of socialist damage. We cannot do that if we are weeds, too. So stay strong and prepared.

There’s a Palin in your future.

Caststeel on November 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM

This loser, I mean winner, is employing an earworm campaign now to penetrate his dear leadership into our brains.

econavenger on November 8, 2008 at 3:07 PM

I’ve seen Obama’s mug on TV for so long it’s seemed he’s been the friggin’ incumbent for the past 2 years. Other than watching clips on sites like this, I haven’t watched a TV newscast since Tuesday night; probably will be sparing with my viewing over the next 4 years. :D

ddrintn on November 8, 2008 at 3:12 PM

And then “President Biden” would be sworn in in January. This is supposed to be better how?

barry is not president. Him being disqualified would not make biden president. The whole ticket would be disqualified. Since there were about 10 different
candidates on the ballot, the election wouldn’t be nullified, it would go to the next highest vote getter. That’s my quess. All barry has had to do is provide a copy of the original months ago and this would have gone away, but he didn’t. It will be very interesting to see what happens on the 1st.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Huckabee.

kflynn on November 8, 2008 at 3:10 P

And add in…the only candidate who made sure everyone knew he was against the bailout. He can also get exposure with his silly talk show.

sherry on November 8, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Greta has been a great defender of Palin lately. Her show has gotten 10x better now that shes covering politics rather than missing people. I hope she keeps it up.

V15J on November 8, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Greta has been a great defender of Palin lately. Her show has gotten 10x better now that shes covering politics rather than missing people. I hope she keeps it up.

Hear, hear!

Gina on November 8, 2008 at 3:18 PM

That’s a fantastic interview of Greta with Kristen Cole. She comes off as a very sincere person, and so does Palin. As the cliche goes, these people are refreshingly NORMAL. God bless them all. It’s despicable that some miscreants are trying to smear good people for political reasons, especially if the bad guys are wearing the Pub label. Prayers for the Palin family’s resilience.

paul1149 on November 8, 2008 at 3:18 PM

If the economy comes back, Afghanistan improves, and he keeps the bomb out of Iran’s hands, no one will beat him in 2012.

There isn’t any way we will avoid a major terrorist attack in the U.S. for the next 4 years, plus the Bear is on the move, China won’t be able to resist the lure of Taiwan, and the NorKs still need cash. Lots of minefields out there for a self absorbed novice.

a capella on November 8, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Peace, please give me details. I have been hoping against hope that this would be the surprise ending and a wonderful Christmas present for all.

There is this guy, a hillary backer, that’s been after barry to release his birth certificate because this guy claims to have a tape of his african grandma talking about being at his birth in Kenya. Supposedly his mother may have been too pregnant to fly back, the airlines did not allow it back then, and he was born in kenya and then she returned to the US a few days later. On Monday, this is fact, his lawsuit was adressed by the SCOTUS (by of all people david souter) asking to hold up the election until barry provides his original birth certificate. Souter said no to the request to hold off the election but directed barry to provided the Court with his original birth certificate by December 1st. If I’m not mistaken, that’s before the date that the election is legally certified.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM

She’s as smart as she needs to be, and smarter than most.

She must be a good hunter too, because she can smell a coward…

docjohn52 on November 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM

At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Lthough I’m not the conspiracy-buff type and rely on evidence which I haven’t yet seen, I do have to say it’s weird that someone would be so secretive over a stupid birth certificate.

ddrintn on November 8, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Here’s where I saw it.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:24 PM

CK MacLeod on November 8, 2008 at 2:32 PM,

I think we’ll know whether or not Palin intends to run in 2012 if she chooses to run for re-election as governor in 2010. If she runs for re-election, the Alaskan press will undoubtedly ask her if she intends to complete her full term, and I don’t think she would want to lie about that. In fact, if she chooses to run for the presidency in 2012, she would need to begin campaigning for it in 2010, which is exactly when she would be running for re-election. So watch and see if she decides to go for a second term. Barring a completely disastrous Obama first term, I would not want to run against him in 2012. If he does even a mediocre job, he’ll get re-elected. The question is whether he will be like Carter or like Clinton. If he’s at all like the latter, I would not field Palin up against. It would be a waste of her talent and future. Field Romney against him, and hold on to Palin until 2016. By 2016 she will have potentially completed two terms as governor and even have two years to prepare for a White House run. She’ll be 52, and though she will always be an attractive woman, she won’t be so young and attractive as to allow her detractors to diminish her as just a “Caribou Barbie”. Margaret Thatcher was an attractive woman when she was younger, and she was a handsome woman when she was older; but the older she got the easier it must have been for her to look like an authority figure.

ramrocks on November 8, 2008 at 3:25 PM

By the way, this Berg guy is a lawyer and was in the Pennsylvania Attorney Generals office.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Exit question: Romney likes to refer (awkwardly) to conservatism as a three-legged stool of “strong military, strong economy and strong family.” Palin’s cornered the market on the last one, but that’s the least important insofar as Obama’s first term will be defined by how well he handles the first two. If the economy comes back, Afghanistan improves, and he keeps the bomb out of Iran’s hands, no one will beat him in 2012. If, god help us, the economy’s still in the toilet and foreign policy is a shambles, we’ll run on that. Either way, social conservatism won’t matter much except to the extent that it usually does, as a basic litmus test to make sure the base turns out. In which case, what’s the argument for Palin, who’s young enough to wait and run in 2016, 2020, or even, conceivably, in 2032, when she’d still be younger than Maverick was this year? Newt, on the other hand…

AP, what kool-aid are you drinking? Palin’s primary appeal is not as a family values social con. Get past the fact that she is a mom and wake up. Her appeal is that she is a government reformer who sincerely believes that the job of politicians is to be public servants. It is no accident that she refers to the voters as deciding who to “hire” — she really believes that she works for us.

I’m not a big fan of this three-legged stool analogy, but it seems to me that if you do follow that model Palin’s strength (at the moment) is in the strong economy part. The strongest economy in the world will lose its power if taxes go up and government gets bigger. She is a small goverment budget-cutter.

Please stop contributing to this myth that Palin’s appeal is limited to social cons. It’s just not true.

As for Newt, his time has passed… if it ever existed. He’s not POTUS material. He may be a great strategist and a skilled politician, but I don’t see that he has the ability to appeal to rank and file voters. He’s too Beltway.

Y-not on November 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM

McCain and Palin obviously have a very special place in their heart’s for each other. Every interview I have seen of Palin after the election she talks about how she talks to Mac everyday and always says she loves him.

ousoonerfan15 on November 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Too Little Too Late? You Betcha!

Pheck you Mac, and your employees. You chose Palin, and with little notice or preparation she went to bat for you – in a big way. You dumped her like a hot potato, someone you fell into bed with for a one-night-stand, found your little winky, packed it up and rushed off worrying about your life.

Yeah, let them slag Palin. She’s just a dope like Dan Quayle. Heh, for all you fools who don’t follow anything but headlines and sound bytes here is some info about Quayle: They’re Not Telling Quayle Jokes At Cerberus

Dan Quayle, a smart-as-they-come businessman? The notion hardly fits with the image of the former Vice-President, who was mercilessly ridiculed by the press for the odd misspelling and occasional verbal slip. Friends long have argued that Quayle was unfairly scorched by Washington’s klieg lights, but the public never warmed up to him. He dropped a Presidential bid and left politics in 1999.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_40/b3953117.htm

Do your own research. The guy is probably a multi-billionaire by now. Anyone in the market like myself knows that Buffet isn’t the only smart guy in town.

Potato/potatoe Take your pick.

I’ll take Palin any day. Oh, and by the way, Quayle’s wife, Marilyin, is one friggin’ smart woman. And they’re laughing at the public now. Good on them, I say.

Cody1991 on November 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM

. Barring a completely disastrous Obama first term, I would not want to run against him in 2012. If he does even a mediocre job, he’ll get re-elected. The question is whether he will be like Carter or like Clinton. If he’s at all like the latter, I would not field Palin up against. It would be a waste of her talent and future.
ramrocks on November 8, 2008 at 3:25 PM

It’s too early obviously to be talking about 2012, but I wouldn’t agree with the basic premise. I don’t think Obama will be invincible regardless. Clinton in ‘96 wasn’t invincible, either. We just made him look that way.

ddrintn on November 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM

The question was about family, but since you insist on going this route, has his wife, Ann, had any abortions do ya think?

No, and I and I an guarnatee that while he was an ecclesiastical leader in the LDS church, when dealing with that question in private with members of his congregation this is not something that is accepted.

HIs “pro-choice” stance has more to do with what is probably HIS take on the LDS antipathy for forcing others to do things. We think some things are right- no abortion, but intepreted that as not forcing others to not be able to. For the most part the rest of us don’t agree. Abortion should only be a tool in what is probably a very, very small percentage where you are talking about the mother’s life or rape.

I don’t agree with his exact way of seeing it, but I also think the rest of you do him a disservice with how he couches his feelings on it. As I understand it, Ronald Reagan didn’t have a very different view either, for a very long time, and yet you all don’t mention that he flip-flopped, so I can still only surmise that it is still his religion you hypocritically bash him on, rather than taking the time to listen.

I am with Kathryn Lopez at NRO. I think you Romney bashers are as stupid and clueless as are the Palin bashers.

Noelie on November 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM

I think he’s too young to have lived through *** the Carter presidency. And he’s grown up in an era where recessions have been short because for the most part, Republicans had control of economic policy. ***
Ironically, Obama’s best hope of winning in 2012 might be for Republicans to win congress in 2010 and blunt him and the Democrats on their worst instincts.
thirteen28 on November 8, 2008 at 3:03 PM

If Obama scales back his socialist tendencies to nationalize everything, he will probably do alright on the economy. Yes, tax & spend liberalism will slow down the growth rate of the economy. However, the current recession is really global in nature and is caused by the subprime bubble bursting and the resulting crisis of confidence in the banks. The markets will sort themselves out so long as Obama doesn’t do anything asininely stupid.

But I think Obama won’t be able to help himself. I think you’ll see huge inflation (caused by all these f—ing bailouts), major shocks when he starts nationalizing health care and retirement funds, etc. Just wait until he passes Card Check and businesses start laying people off in droves.

Outlander on November 8, 2008 at 3:30 PM

We love Sarah!

I would hate to the republican who gets nailed for these smears. That person is toast.

Also I agree on the post about Greta. I used to turn her off. Now I really like her show and her as a person.

CertainVictory on November 8, 2008 at 3:31 PM

In which case, what’s the argument for Palin, who’s young enough to wait and run in 2016, 2020, or even, conceivably, in 2032, when she’d still be younger than Maverick was this year? Newt, on the other hand…

As much as I like Mr. Newt, the Democrats would rejoice to run against him. Look for the person they’ve tried to destroy to gauge the one they fear the most.

ddrintn on November 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Please stop contributing to this myth that Palin’s appeal is limited to social cons. It’s just not true.
Y-not on November 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Here, here! Palin DOES appeal to social cons simply because she lives her life as a conservative, and so social cons know that she understands and appreciates them. Social cons felt alienated by McCain, who isn’t very religious and who has openly expressed hostility toward them in the past.

But ultimately, Palin governed the most libertarian state I’ve seen in a long time. That’s wht made the lies about Palin trying to enact creationism in public schools, and the book-banning allegations, etc. completely outrageous. She governs the state in a very libertarian, reform-minded way.

Outlander on November 8, 2008 at 3:34 PM

The One IS MEETING MEDVEDEV ON POLAND MISSLE SHIELD http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/08/kremlin-medvedev-obama-plan-meet-soon/comments/

Palinpuma on November 8, 2008 at 2:57 PM

This is disturbing. Already we have an agreement to meet with Medvedev right after his inflammatory comments about the Polish missile defense plan. Then we have contradictory statements from Obama’s spokesman and the Polish President’s spokesman about Obama’s view of Polish missile defense. Awesome start.

BrianBoru on November 8, 2008 at 3:36 PM

So begins the leftist ploy that “We have to move the goalposts” to stay competitive.

Lets not look at the fact that the GOP has won since 1968 7 out of 11 Presidentual elections. That we won the congress for the first time in 50 years in 1994 and held it till 2006.

One election does not mean we abandon all our beliefs and start acting more like democrats.

Again what happened in the last two elections isnt a re alignment but rather the fact that the Democrats have outhustled the GOP in getting its voters to the voting booth. The reasons the conservatives sat home was that the Media called this race even before the election was held for Obama.

William Amos on November 8, 2008 at 3:36 PM

I think we’ll know whether or not Palin intends to run in 2012 if she chooses to run for re-election as governor in 2010.

I disagree. If she decides to run, but keeps an eye on a national run, she’ll be asked, and can give one of the time-honored politician’s answers – “I’m 100% focused on serving the people of Alaska” or some such. Just like Hillary. Just like Obama. Probably less like Bill who flat out excluded running for Prez when he was running for re-election, but “answered the call of history” anyway.

Only if she’s had a hard couple of years by then and her re-election is in any doubt will she have to say any more – in which case her national star may also be fading anyway.

CK MacLeod on November 8, 2008 at 3:38 PM

To those who think that Sarah is finished as a national political figure. She does not abuse her kids, she has never been guilty of a conflict of interest, she has never been convicted of a crime, and she has never been guilty of plagiarism. Instead she has efficiently run a state as governor, enjoys the highest popularity rate of any governor in the USA, and enjoys a 91% approval rate among Republicans and lives her values. If Sarah wants to get back into national politics, she will be welcomed back by her supporters with open arms despite the smears, innuendos and downright lies levelled against her. Sarah is a phenomenon; she possesses a mystique that cannot be destroyed by the MSM, no matter how hard they try.

technopeasant on November 8, 2008 at 3:38 PM

One election does not mean we abandon all our beliefs and start acting more like democrats.

Exactly!

terryannonline on November 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Probably less like Bill who flat out excluded running for Prez when he was running for re-election – that is, when he was running for re-election as governor of Arkansas in a somewhat similar situation…

CK MacLeod on November 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Sorry to rain on your parade, but you are pretty far off base. The district court threw out the lawsuit on the grounds that Berg had no standing to sue Obama over his qualifications. The Obama response due on December 1 will be on that issue alone – did plaintiff Berg have standing to sue? If somehow 4 justices agree to hear the case (which I seriously doubt), I would expect an expedited hearing on that singular issue. If they end up ruling that Berg did have standing, then they will remand the case to district court. At that point, the district court judge will order that discovery proceed. Only at that point will Obama’s birth certificate be brought into play.

Incidentally, I used to be a lawyer. I hated it, left the profession, and now I just spew anonymously on message boards. However, on this issue, I do have some degree of expertise.

Phildorex on November 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM

I suspect that McCains staff was ‘infiltrated’ from day one by democratic operatives. If you go back and look, you will see one damaging ‘inside info’ attack after the next. A good example was the ‘Michigan Abandonment Announcement’.

The ongoing lies about Palin are in fact designed to shift the ‘blame’ for McCains loss onto the candidate and not the inept people that hired the ‘infiltrators’.

Having this attack done on a rediculous personal level is simply a nice ‘touch’ to poison the waters for Palin in the future.

Now the last question in this is actually “Why did Carl Cameron AND Bill Orilley decide that unconfirmable stories are ‘News’?”.

Clearly, Bill Orilley has a different agenda in all of this.

I bet he was surprised when Greta called him out on reporting this story in the same manner as the National Inquirer would.

Freddy on November 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM

For all those who do smears, take that.

As for the birth certificate, that Hawaii trip wasn’t just for Granny, now was it. The Narcissus had some planting to do.

There’s a Palin in your future.

Caststeel on November 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM

barry is not president. Him being disqualified would not make biden president. The whole ticket would be disqualified.
peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:12 PM

I’m pretty sure that the VP stepping up if the P can’t serve still applies. Do you have a reference that says otherwise?

Count to 10 on November 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM

At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate,

What about that part?

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Incidentally, I used to be a lawyer. I hated it, left the profession, and now I just spew anonymously on message boards. However, on this issue, I do have some degree of expertise.

Phildorex on November 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Hey, former lawyer. Do you have any impression about whether or not Obama’s campaign violated Sarbanes-Oxley in their fundraising shenanigans? Although S-O applies primarily to for-profit orgs, there are provisions that apply to non-profits… and a couple of jurisidictions (I believe CA and NY are two of them) have developed similar measures (modeled after S-O) to apply to non-profits.

The things O!’s campaign did would never have been allowed in the non-profits I know.

Y-not on November 8, 2008 at 3:45 PM

What about that part?

Wouldn’t the birth certificate be part of the justices determining whether the lawsuit has merit?

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Do you have a reference that says otherwise?

No, but it doesn’t make sense that biden would then become president. If barry is never president then how would there be a line of seccession?

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Freddy on November 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Part of me wonders about that. McCain staffers leaked damaging stories about Palin immediately after the election. It makes me wonder if those same sources were the ones leaking the damaging stories about Palin BEFORE the election, too. I also thought it strange how blatantly McCain seemed to be telegraphing his moves. It got to the stage where the press pretty much was reporting what McCain was going to do 3-4 days before he did it (e.g. “We have heard from inside the McCain camp that he’s going to use William Ayers during the 3rd debate”). The effect of the telegraphing was to completely blunt the force of what McCain ended up doing.

At the least, this is evidence of an incredibly poorly-run campaign, which does negatively reflect on McCain’s executive abilities. At the worst, it does smack of disloyalty and infiltration by Democrats.

Outlander on November 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Obama already left open the possibility of not raising taxes on certain people in the press conference. It must be because SO much in the economy has changed since two weeks ago when he was promoting class warfare.

V15J on November 8, 2008 at 3:50 PM

I’ve never been a conspricay theorist and don’t even listen to most nonsense. But then again I never thought a minor league jesse jackson/state senator whose political career has been openly supported by unrepentant terrorist bombers, racist black seperatists and strong arming syrian money men would win the presidency so easily. Anyhting is possible in America now.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Palin’s defending herself just fine. Did you hear her yesterday? She said she’d spoken with McCain already, and added, “I love John McCain.” I think it came from her heart. None of this crud will stick if she performs well in a sustained way.

There are still leftists convinced that Reagan was a doddering dunce. So what?

CK MacLeod on November 8, 2008 at 2:49 PM

I love John McCain too but bottom line McCain ran a unstructured and an undisciplined campaign – As much as I think he is the president we need we got the president we (as a country) probably deserve.

Sweetness0726 on November 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM

off topic but this is priceless!

The Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda’s sent a message to BHO stating that in honor of his presidency he is going to dedicate and rename the highest mt peak on the islands to….MT OBAMA!! Sends a tingle down my leg…

Ozark_sky on November 8, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Who the hell is leaking all of this dirt?

If it’s not Wallace and the others close to Palin, then who is sliming her?

SteveMG on November 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

I just saw on townhall that another state republican chairman has released a statement defending Sarah. People need to let her know that everyone cares about Sarah and let her know that what has happened isnt right.

ousoonerfan15 on November 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

I’m not an attorney but I am a thinker. Obama is not the POTUS nor is Plugs VPOTUS until the election is certified. Therefore until that time comes they’re both just a couple of senators that haven’t done an appreciable amount of work at the job they were hired to do. So I don’t think the b/c thing is going anywhere and we should start working on the next mid-term elections. (state, local and federal)

thomasaur on November 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Noelie on November 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM,

No one should question Romney’s pro-life credentials. As governor of Massachusetts, Romney stood up to Harvard on embryonic stem cells, and it showed amazing political courage. You can have no idea how powerful Harvard is in a small state like Massachusetts. Harvard is a major employer in that state. Romney’s principled stance no doubt cost him whatever chances he had for re-election. He doesn’t have to answer to anyone when it comes to being pro-life. He was running as a pro-lifer in the most ultra left-wing state in the union. That to me speaks volumes about his commitment to social conservatism.

Having said that, I’m sorry to say that Mitt is just not all that appealing as a candidate. He just feels much too blow-dried. And he gives the impression (whether fairly or unfairly) of being a plastic morphing candidate — as if he’ll be whatever you want him to be at any given moment.

ramrocks on November 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Anyone still pushing Newt needs to take a forward leap off the pier.

I’m 64 years old and I’ve had enough of these old farts who didn’t do it when they had the chance. NO DO OVERS! Let’s move into the new century.

Palin – 2012! Jindal – 2012!

I don’t know who it will be, but for God’s sake let’s get somebody who can get on the stage without a frappin’ cane!

Lynn2008 on November 8, 2008 at 3:55 PM

So Sarah isn’t a moron and Barry was born in Kenya? Geez, any update on Vince Foster??

Vernon Hardapple on November 8, 2008 at 3:56 PM

No, but it doesn’t make sense that biden would then become president. If barry is never president then how would there be a line of seccession?

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:47 PM

So you are just winging this? I’m pretty sure there is no difference in succession whether the president elect has been sworn in or not.
And don’t forget, if its not Biden, it would be Peloci.

Count to 10 on November 8, 2008 at 3:57 PM

I am beginning to think that McCain does know who is the culprit. He is between a rock and a hard place. If he makes a statement, he slams his campaign staff. If he doesn’t come forward he is inadvertently slamming his running mate. I thought McCain had the chops to be President, but now I think he is more comfortable hiding his head in the sand wishing it would all go away. If his staff can’t even get this story straight, this is no wonder their campaign went down in flames. I want my donation back.

sherry on November 8, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Ditto that. For someone who promised to name names and make people famous for doing dirty deeds, he’s 0-2. He had the opportunities given to him on silver platters.

hoosiermama on November 8, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Count to 10,
The election has yet to be certified therefore it is not official. Th key words here being certified and official.

thomasaur on November 8, 2008 at 4:00 PM

ummm…..has McCain said anything or come to her defense publicly yet? If not, why not? Why should he be taking so long? This isn’t a minor thing……

jehowe2nd on November 8, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Sarah said it all with one word…JERKS!!

Ozark_sky on November 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM

From what Sarah Palin said on the video in the other thread, she was not accustomed to the media being vicious and quoting anonymous sources out of context, because it wasn’t that way when she got her Journalism degree. She also wants to take advantage of the desire for more interviews with her, in order to “get Alaska’s message out”.

She knows how the media work now, and she’ll have a four-year education while remaining on as Governor. She tried to parlay herself from Governor of a remote state to Vice-President in two months, and fell a few percent short. With four years’ experience with the media, and a term and a half under her belt by 2012, she will be a formidable contender.

Steve Z on November 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM

No one can ever accuse Sarah for not saying it like it is!

technopeasant on November 8, 2008 at 4:07 PM

To those who think that Sarah is finished as a national political figure. She does not abuse her kids, she has never been guilty of a conflict of interest, she has never been convicted of a crime, and she has never been guilty of plagiarism. Instead she has efficiently run a state as governor, enjoys the highest popularity rate of any governor in the USA, and enjoys a 91% approval rate among Republicans and lives her values. If Sarah wants to get back into national politics, she will be welcomed back by her supporters with open arms despite the smears, innuendos and downright lies levelled against her. Sarah is a phenomenon; she possesses a mystique that cannot be destroyed by the MSM, no matter how hard they try.

technopeasant on November 8, 2008 at 3:38 PM

I totally agree–I think she has stuff you can’t teach someone. They either have it or they don’t. She connects with people, and you can see how people defend her after only knowing her a few months. She’s OUR Sarah.

Hopefully she can pad her resume with a link to a call-boy ring or a visit to a bathroom in an airport in MN sometime in the next four years. So she can be like The Big Leagues.

Whatever happened to that congressman whatzit who was paying a woman to schmooze (literally) his colleagues and himself? Was he reelected?

hoosiermama on November 8, 2008 at 4:08 PM

kflynn on November 8, 2008 at 3:10 PM
sherry on November 8, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Yea, Huckabee is going to take down one of his own and one of the few top politicians who supported him during the Primaries. That makes a lot of sense. NOT!

So Huckabee speaking out against the “Bailout” is a bad thing?

jparks1972 on November 8, 2008 at 4:08 PM

To CK MacLeod on November 8, 2008 at 3:38 PM,

I don’t think Palin would want to lie about that when running for re-election. If she got re-elected in 2010, she would then need to immediately start running for the White House if she decided to run in 2012. That sort of duplicity is just not her style. If she seeks re-election, she will not run for president in 2012. Mark my words. What that 2010 Alaska gubernatorial race, it’ll tell you whether or not Palin is tossing her hat in the ring for 2012.

ramrocks on November 8, 2008 at 4:09 PM

There is this guy, a hillary backer, that’s been after barry to release his birth certificate because this guy claims to have a tape of his african grandma talking about being at his birth in Kenya. Supposedly his mother may have been too pregnant to fly back, the airlines did not allow it back then, and he was born in kenya and then she returned to the US a few days later. On Monday, this is fact, his lawsuit was adressed by the SCOTUS (by of all people david souter) asking to hold up the election until barry provides his original birth certificate. Souter said no to the request to hold off the election but directed barry to provided the Court with his original birth certificate by December 1st. If I’m not mistaken, that’s before the date that the election is legally certified.

peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Somewhere, in the last week or so, I saw an article saying that the state of Hawaii had confirmed that it had Obama’s birth registration.

ProfessorMiao on November 8, 2008 at 4:11 PM

sounds like these staffers see what kinda backlash there will be against the leakers so they are trying to do some CYA. no one will want that label stuck on them

but johnny mac still wont say anything, nothing about what a great vp sarah wouldve made, how much she helped the campaign, etc. he’s just letting the smears go on and on.

come on wise_man, tells how this means nothing, how johnny mac is still the greatest human to walk to planet. your unhinged postings on this subject show the truth of the accusations made against you a few weeks ago. you are so deep in the bag for mccain nothing he does, no matter how wrong, will cause you to criticize him. sycophants like hurt the party’s integrity. cut your cable/phone line/fiber and pack the keyboard away. your blood pressure will thank you.

chasdal on November 8, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Two threads in 2 days that degenerate into a birth certificate discussion.

CanadianGuy on November 8, 2008 at 4:18 PM

I still can’t believe this election. Although I have never thought “populist” democracy was a good idea I always thought that the American people has some degree of good sense. I was wrong. The only question now is this. How much damage can be done before the 2010 elections and will the voters recover some bit of sanity before then.

duff65 on November 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Here’s my prediction folks.

Obama will either be Jimmy Carter, in which case we’ll all feel the pain, and we’ll dump him in four years. Or he’ll be like Clinton. He’ll be smart enough not to tilt too far to the left. He’ll hire smart free traders like Larry Summers. The GOP will come up with great free market solutions to the nation’s health care problem (Bobby Jindal and Newt are already on it), the GOP will have a landslide election in 2010, will implement these solutions, President Obama will take credit for them, he’ll finish his first term on a high because he’ll take credit for GOP solutions, he’ll get re-elected because he’s a media darling. Then in his second term he’ll get caught in a real scandal or a global crisis (like when Russia finally cuts off its gas line to Europe and Venezuela does the same to us, and President Obama doesn’t know what to do because he refused to drill here and drill now and his energy Manhattan Project still hasn’t figured out how to run the world on a substance Al Gore would approve), he’ll appoint the most left wing jurists SCOTUS has ever seen, he’ll repeatedly do things that infuriate people who believe in traditional values, and he’ll finish his second term with modest approval ratings. And by then the country will be ready for some change. We will feel the sting of the consequences of President Obama’s lack of an energy policy. We’ll still be roiling from rising health care costs and the failure of Obama’s health care plan. We’ll be sick of all the Washington scandals (when has there not been Washington scandals?), and we’ll turn our heads to the heroine from the Last Frontier who will tell us how to gain energy independence, apply free market principles and tort reform to the health care problem, and throw out the crooks on capital hill.

That’s my prediction. What do you think?

ramrocks on November 8, 2008 at 4:23 PM

because this guy claims to have a tape of his african grandma talking about being at his birth in Kenya. Supposedly his mother may have been too pregnant to fly back, the airlines did not allow it back then, and he was born in kenya and then she returned to the US a few days later.
peacenprosperity on November 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM

If he were born in Kenya I’m not sure that would disqualify him from the Presidency, assuming his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time. The Constitution doesn’t define what a natural born citizen of the United States is, but the Naturalization Act of 1790 would seem to count a birth in Kenya to an American as a natural born citizen.

dedalus on November 8, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Two threads in 2 days that degenerate into a birth certificate discussion.

CanadianGuy on November 8, 2008 at 4:18 PM

His BC is the one thing that could prevent him from becoming Pres-Elect. Never give up is our motto!

Ozark_sky on November 8, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Anyone who want’s to leave the Republican Party go ahead and smear Gov. Palin. We will be happy to show you the door.

ronsfi on November 8, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Too little, too late. All the foreign press is printing this garbage.

Blake on November 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM

As for the birth certificate, that Hawaii trip wasn’t just for Granny, now was it. The Narcissus had some planting to do.

There’s a Palin in your future.

Caststeel on November 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Also has anyone seen an obituary on the grandmothers death from an hawaii news paper?

driver on November 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how the press can take some little nothing and turn it into a something. This whole thing feels like highschool.

Terrye on November 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM

If he were born in Kenya I’m not sure that would disqualify him from the Presidency, assuming his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time. The Constitution doesn’t define what a natural born citizen of the United States is, but the Naturalization Act of 1790 would seem to count a birth in Kenya to an American as a natural born citizen.

dedalus on November 8, 2008 at 4:24 PM

I’ve seen this before. Apparently, there are limits, in terms of age, if only one parent is a Citizen, and Obama’s mother was too young.
It may be true, but I find it far fetched, and I still haven’t seen any reason to believe the Presidency wouldn’t just devolve to Biden.

Count to 10 on November 8, 2008 at 4:32 PM

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