Obama: On second thought, let’s make community service for students voluntary
posted at 12:54 pm on November 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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If one day of carping in the blogosphere is enough to get The One to reverse himself, maybe we can work with this guy after all. The Change.gov plan as of yesterday:
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
And, via Sweetness & Light, the Change.gov plan as of this afternoon:
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.
Interesting that he suddenly decided to slap a number on the program, too. Read Tom Blumer for a back-of-the-envelope analysis of what it could cost and what kind of bureaucracy, potentially, we’re looking at here. The feds already oversee millions of student loans so there’s presumably plenty of institutional knowledge already available to phase this in. Exit question: Why the sudden turnaround? Had they really not thought this through before putting it online, or do they have no real intention of making it happen and are happy to play with the rhetorical particulars so long as it keeps people off their backs?
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I wonder what his blathering minions think about his hopeychangey so far? I’d like see our resident trolls nuance that campaign lie.
csdeven on November 8, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Right, so let`s stop belly-aching and raise our voices and keep them up.
ThePrez on November 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Ah, but the catch will be that you will have to do that community service with one of the Obama inspired and approved “Community Organizations”. Otherwise, no bucks.
This is the next step towards the Obama indoctrination machine.
Romeo13 on November 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Not really a change.
tuffy on November 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Rahm Emanuel, Commissar to the Revolutionary People’s Volunteer Army, has decided that the revolution must take place more judiciously.
I was talking to a very liberal partner in my law firm who said Emanuel and Obama got this idea from Israel (which has 2 years of mandatory military service for all citizens) and that its purpose is to ensure everyone gets a “shared experience.” The thought is “it brings everyone together and fosters a sense of community — so everyone can bitch about ho bad their drill sergeant is.” In other words, they want to use our military etc. for social engineering.
Yeah, new politics indeed.
Outlander on November 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM
The liberal fascists wrote the document and it took a while for someone with a little more PR savvy to realize how it comes across to many people.
But hasn’t The One promised college students a $4000 tax credit, with no strings attached? Does this mean there are strings?
ProfessorMiao on November 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Yeah, I’d like to know how Rahm Emanuel is “change”. Same ol’ same ol’. And with Obama, we apparently will get that wet-the-finger-and-see-which-way-the-wind-is-blowing that we saw with Bill Clinton.
ddrintn on November 8, 2008 at 1:00 PM
what’s the difference between requiring and “setting a goal” ?
Distinction without difference; if you ask me.
Pressure can be brought to bear without it being required. So, in reality, nothing changes.
The problems really are:
1 – government setting the rate of pay for “volunteerism” through a tax credit
2 – government …ahem… encouraging people to volunteer and who will approve what groups are acceptable to volunteer to?
3 – who pays for the $4000 tax credit? Those of us who pay taxes, of course
4 – volunteerism is possible without government intervention at all. Why is it involved in this exercise in free will at all.
Need I go on?
lorien1973 on November 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM
I would like to get my apology to the world in first.
I apologize for the ignorant American people who voted this Obama travesty upon an unsuspecting world. I’m truly sorry, there weren’t enough of us smart American people to save America and the world from the horror of Obamunism.
tarpon on November 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM
“All of Obama’s statements come with an expiration date. All of them.”
-Jim Geraghty, NRO
Wethal on November 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Don’t kid yourself, Allah. Once O!’s team is in place — and Oprah, Soros, and half of Europe are taking turns sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom — it will not matter what people say on the blogosphere… except as an opportunity to collect data on us for future use.
A bit O/T, but how many are planning on switching their party registration now to become less conspicuous? My husband has already filled out the form to become Independent. I’m trying decide between I or D.
Y-not on November 8, 2008 at 1:05 PM
My husband went to parochial school and had to do 100 hours of community service for high school. It is already in place in private schools. Will that count I wonder?
He also feels that it is a death of thousand cuts that Obama is attempting. Obama pushes out the most extreme view first, then rolls it back, “like wait, let me be clear, I want folks to get involved in the process,” so now things are not complusory, but in order to get the benefit, you HAVE to do it. Just as they are dialing down the expectations now. He will keep pushing his little ‘nuanced’ changes, until he weakens some institutions so much that they collapse. Saul Alinsky lives!
JAM on November 8, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Someone read the Thirteenth Amendment to the “constitutional law professor, maybe?”
Other than getting vaccinations, there isn’t much you can require for a free public education and not run afoul of some part of the law.
Wethal on November 8, 2008 at 1:07 PM
The idea that more than a small fraction of those who voted for him will actually go out and volunteer for anything is laughable on its face. Remember the “Obama Youth” video? Those were not children familiar with a great deal of activity. And, when I taught at a black university where many students were using loans or scholarships to attend, it was difficult to drum up students for paid projects for which they only had to sign their names, show up, and do very easy work. Volunteer? The silence will be deafening.
DrMagnolias on November 8, 2008 at 1:07 PM
The only pleasure I will get out of the results of this election is the disillusionment (is that a word?) by a thousand paper cuts that the young “idealists” will suffer when the Messiah tweaks his plans and retreats from the grandiose promises he made. They will bitch and I will laugh. I will go out to vote in 2010 and 2012 and they will stay home.
HawaiiLwyr on November 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Why are people assuming that just because it’s not “required” per the website, it’s still not going to be pushed as a policy.
The second he gets the bully pulpit of the Presidency (he can’t wait, look at his blue signs and seals even now; the man doesn’t waste time) we’ll be treated to endless blather about how it heals our souls to help others and this is what makes America great and we just have to help our benighted brothers and sisters see that [by requirement].
He won’t use the word. But he wants it required. Michelle Obama warned us (”Barack’s going to make you work”). We just didn’t listen.
inviolet on November 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Like the smell of sh*t, which ever way the wind blows.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM
This is the President-elect of Change!
At this rate his administration will change positions 250 times in its first year and reach the crucial 1,000th change just in time for the inauguration of the next Republican President.
amazingmets on November 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Smart money says everyone become a D. So that you can better control who comes out of the primaries in both state and national races.
lorien1973 on November 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Of course that FREE $4,000 headstart for tuition gives the green light to the (liberal) universities and colleges to jack up their tuition by 4 grand, natch.
kevinkristy on November 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM
*chuckles softly* Why, didn’t you hear? Obama’s got all three branches of government in the bag as of Jan 20. He IS the law, dear people.
inviolet on November 8, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Not to mention Joe Biden, the ultimate Washington clump of cells.
Proud Texan on November 8, 2008 at 1:10 PM
In the spirit of “global warming” can I buy “volunteer credits” to offset my time on the streets?
katy on November 8, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Me thinks our kibbitzer-in-chief is about learn the difference between talking and doing.
PackerBronco on November 8, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Perhaps some conservative parents here at HA can help me out.
My guess is that the people who will be most dramatically affected by this are liberals. In my community which is very conservative community service is something that one simply does. It isn’t mandated, nor does any one expect monetary remuneration. People believe in devoting their time to worthy activities. They would never expect to be compensated by the gub’mint.
Perhaps I’m confused, but this seems to demonstrate another difference between conservatives and liberals.
Barfy is telling his followers that they will be paid to do what they should be doing anyway? Yeah, that’s the Chicago way…. bribes work, principles don’t matter.
/color me cynical
Cody1991 on November 8, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Next we’ll se that Obama is calling on all citizens, of all ages, to serve in America’s Civilian National Security Force.
moonsbreath on November 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM
The public university system in NY costs 4k a year. The Pell Grant (need based) is 5k. CUNY gets hammered every time they mention raising tuition, yet anyone who’s not in a position to pay ALREADY gets more from the government.
I wholeheartedly support a community service=tuition tax credit…IF the goddamn unions leave the systems alone when they adjust to reflect the added elbow room.
CUNY does amazing things with 4k a year…The government already provides up to 5k…theres ALOT of room to chance these equations for the betterment of the public system in this country…lets not be dogmatic about this.
ernesto on November 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Let him make it mandatory and watch the youth vote swing like a pendulum.
Darth Executor on November 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM
You know what? I’m gonna put my time down praying outside abortion clinics as community service. Wonder if it’ll pass.
Sorry if I sound bitter. My entire formerly conservative family, of whom it’d never occur to me they’d fall under the inexperienced, socialist, waffling Obama’s spell, is now openly gloating at Repubs’ having lost.
How did all this happen? This country is going to be sorry they chose someone beautiful and speaks well over an experienced, honorable, self sacrificing man. We conservatives won’t the only ones be missing Bush in four years, for many more reasons than one. “nuff said lest someone thinks I’m WISHING it to happen. I’d LOVE to be wrong about Obama. I fear I’m not.
inviolet on November 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM
So, the Youf’ Korps is kaput? I was looking forward to the 21st century Hitler You’f and brownshirts. But, The National Civilian Police Korps is still on the table? Hey, all Messiah’s need a schutzstaffel right? Who else to enforce obedience to The Untested One’s agenda?
sladenyv on November 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM
I believe we’ve arrived in the era of irony.
We defeated the USSR and we now have a Marxist as our Pres.
Hillary must without a doubt be thinking, the SOB won! If I had held on and played just a little more stick’em in the guts hardball that could be me carrying the daily briefing satchel.
And last but not least.
When (not if) Obama signs multiple amnesty bills (following Bill Clinton’s lead) for at least 20 million Hispanic illegal aliens.
Right after the 20 million are legalized and the next 20 rushes in (Border Patrol what Border Patrol?) to replace them, their first target will be, Black people.
And on and on.
Speakup on November 8, 2008 at 1:15 PM
T-minus 5 seconds until all colleges and universities raise their tuition by $4000. No wonder academia loves this guy.
BrianBoru on November 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Or maybe it’s like everything else with this guy: He accidentally says what he really thinks, realizes it’s anathema to most Americans, and tries to cover it up.
Jim Treacher on November 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Y-not on November 8, 2008 at 1:05 PM
“A bit O/T, but how many are planning on switching their party registration now to become less conspicuous? My husband has already filled out the form to become Independent. I’m trying decide between I or D.”
Mine is an “R”. It will stay an “R”. I refuse to be intimidated, fightened or disenfranchised by a classless whimp and his minions. I am an American, I am a Republican, I am a free man, and I am armed. If “they” choose to make me “conspicuous” then that is their choice. I have been a free American for 67 years. I plan on dying a free American. Bring it on.
Yoop on November 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Okay – I guess I am just slow, but what part of volunteering equals $40/hour?
According to American Heritage Dictionary, volunteer means: To do charitable or helpful work without pay.
That sounds like a job. A pretty darn well paid job for a college student.
I am damn sure going to raise my voice and question the actions at every turn of this welfare spreading dips#it.
tru2tx on November 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Every single one of Barack Obama’s promises come with expiration dates. Every single one.
carbon_footprint on November 8, 2008 at 1:18 PM
I’m sure the NEA will be pushing this as a mandate.
If there’s one organization that should be done away with it’s this one.
I’m glad my children are grown. My youngest graduated in 2005 and she had no time to do something like this, and even if she did, I wouldn’t let her. The illegals, along with their gangs have taken over our community. The only community organizers I want to see are the ones with ICE on their jackets.
moonsbreath on November 8, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Next we’ll se that Obama is calling on all citizens, of all ages, to serve in America’s Civilian National Security Force.
moonsbreath on November 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM
That wouldn’t surprise me, but they’ll have to throw me in jail. Ain’t doing it, and I’m too old for this shit.
Barfy is talking to the entire country as though we’re all inner city ghetto dwellers. He cannot depart from his “community organizer” mindset. It just demonstrates yet again that he doesn’t know jack shit about this country.
Remind me again…. who is this guy?
Cody1991 on November 8, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Not good enough. Everyone knows how Chicago works, ghost payroll is part of the landscape. Ghost “volunteer community service completion” forms are at the ready.
I guess exit answer may be: it is a way to reward their young volunteers using government’s coffers. Kind of like ACORN payed for falsified registration records.
runner on November 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Things are starting to look up. One by one, Obama’s promises to the looney Left are evaporating.
jay12 on November 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Let’s hope this means he’ll change his mind on a lot of the other radical philosophies he’s held.
Livefreeordie on November 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Bingo!
AubieJon on November 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM
The ability to speak is a very powerful gift. In today’s society it’s even more powerful.
The Republicans have to find someone that not only can articulate why conservatism is the way to go but do so in a way that makes people stop and listen. It’s our only way to beat this Socialist.
gophergirl on November 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Paying high school kids $40 per hour for “community service” work? Only in Obamerica.
T J Green on November 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM
OMG, I’m typing in Spanish now!
moonsbreath on November 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM
This is America, I am ready to do the same thing the Left did to Bush. I am ready to start ignorning and dismissing everything Barack Obama, says and does..oh and I will make fun of every little gaffe because we all know, that is a sign of a weak intellect ;) What goes around, comes around.
Dr Evil on November 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Most of these things are probably distractions to keep us busy while he goes about doing the real business of raping the 1st and 2nd Amendments and putting together the real programs and work on getting four terms for his Administration since it ‘will take four terms to undo the damage caused by 8 years of the policies of George Bush’.
carbon_footprint on November 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Changing the language doesn’t change the intent. He still intends to make it a requirement, but he will couch it in pretty language. All the blogosphere is doing is helping him refine that prose before it ends up on the MSM.
TMK on November 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM
True enough, but then he finds another more stealth way to, get er’ done. HE doesn’t give up on his ideas he just reworks them. And the majority don’t seem to notice.
katy on November 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM
If they’ve got the time, maybe people could just get a part-time job instead. If a business has the ability to pay, it must be performing a valuable service.
DarkCurrent on November 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM
scholarships for service is a pretty standard liberal idea. as long as kids can choose from a wide variety of service opprtunities, this isn’t different from conventional work study programs. the radical idea is mandatory service with nothing in return. that is involuntary servitude whixh is unconstitutional.
It is important to understand that this is a key initiative for Obama. This is how he plans to keep all those Obama Youth involved. There will be an enormous campaign run to pressure young people into signing up. At least some of them will go on to become community organizers, ACORN shock troops, environmental activists, etc. They will come out of college ready to work for peanuts in nonprofit jobs. This will also decrease demand for real jobs in the business world.
this is also a mechanism for liberal kids to avoid military service while being equally “patriotic.”
rockmom on November 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM
+ 1
Hog Wild on November 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Maybe if it’s just a “goal” and not a “requirement, maybe the people won’t notice if the volunteers are used to sign up 12,000,000 illegal aliens to vote. Acorn’s too costly.
CertainVictory on November 8, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Does he or doesn’t he? I am so tired of the rumors, my husband came back with one from Liberia…okay on the plane ride home, this is the conversation. Hawaii can’t realse any documents, because they don’t exist. Kenya won’t release any documents because they do exist. What denotes American Citizenship his mother’s designation? His father wasn’t an American. Is this going to get put to rest finally. If Barack Obama was born say in Kenya, is his mother being an Amerian, enough to make him an American even though his father wasn’t?
http://sarah-palin-2008.blogspot.com/2008/11/where-is-that-pesky-birth-certificate.html
Dr Evil on November 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Off topic here.
Is Free Republic down today? I’m unable to get a single page to load.
MrC_5150 on November 8, 2008 at 1:29 PM
So, the plan for Obama and the Defeatocrats in Congress is to take our money from us, then they will give a fraction of it back if, and only if, we jump on the bandwagon and do as our fearless leaders commands us?
Holding my hard earned money that I worked my ass off for hostage in exchange for marching lock-step is hardly voluntary.
FlatFoot on November 8, 2008 at 1:30 PM
They will come out of college ready to work for peanuts in nonprofit jobs.
rockmom on November 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Good point. This is why MO (who makes, or made, a handsome salary) encouraged all those folks to work in low-paying jobs during the primary.
This should be interesting to watch.
Cody1991 on November 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM
I think this shows how important the blogosphere will be in the coming years and during this upcoming Presidency. It’s played an important role in the past several years, but with the MSM so saddle-up with Obama and the left(even more now than in the past)it’s role in the realm of politics and news will be even more important.
vcferlita on November 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Why is the FEDERAL government in charge of education? Hey Barry, it’s not constitutional. Not that any of that matters to you.
Between BHO and Joe The Vice-President it’s going to be gaff-a-palooza for the next 50 months.
I wonder if all the O’s will be missing from the White House computer keyboards???
Mojave Mark on November 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Unfortunately the POSSOBBHO has a foot in the door to the Hispanic votes in this country. Now all he has do is pander and grant amnesty without pre-conditions and he will have locked up the Hispanic vote for Democrats for decades just like LBJ locked up the black votes. The Republicans will never, ever win another election in this country when the Democrats have 90% of the Hispanic and Black votes.
carbon_footprint on November 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Thanks for clearing it up – what you’ve said makes sense.
However, it’s even scarier to me now:
tru2tx on November 8, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Exactly. But now he’ll just find a more roundabout way to accomplish it.
WisCon on November 8, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Why don’t we just ask Obama why the “requirement” was pulled?
I mean, he will answer that simple question, won’t he?
ManUFan on November 8, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Is this “change” really such a surprise? His record (now that he’s going to actually HAVE a record where he can’t simply be present) throughout his campaign was to speak first, then revise it later when the initial concept either tanked, was critisized or examined too closely.
Status Quo for the Office of the President Elect as far as I can see.
SassyDarlin on November 8, 2008 at 1:38 PM
I would like to have my community service at republican headquarters dialing for dollars, or alternatively, on our Southern border with the NRA defending us from anything that moves…and since I already create wealth for my employer without a college education, I just want the tax credit.
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM
In the college assistance paragraphs, he says “most Americans” will receive the payment assistance. I wonder what his definition of most Americans is. Why not say qualifying high school graduates based on grade levels, or any deserving high school graduate, or students of my choosing?
Sunshein on November 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Well, yeah. It’s not like he’s stopped thinking that way. It’s just covered up by his “calm.” You know what else is “calm”? A snake.
Jim Treacher on November 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM
The 13th Amendment of the US Constitution prohibits it.
gracie on November 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM
The great P.T. Barnum said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.” This election has certainly proved that.
Watch carefully people. Barry’s programs, like any true Socialist/Marxist, will be designed so that the average person, the proletariat if you will, will pledge their money and their service, to the state (represented by Dear Leader). In the meantime, the ruling party will gather more power and wealth.
Hopefully, if any of the Beltway Elite possess a lick of sense, they will see through this and actually block enough of his actions to make him a Centrist.
If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks likes a duck. it is a duck.
Barry and Joe off their teleprompters may be all the laughs we get.
kingsjester on November 8, 2008 at 1:41 PM
No, conservatives (and conservative-leaning non-profits) lose on this plan.
I’m in CA where I’m being treated to clips of rioters harassing and intimidating people at Mormon churches because they are mad that Proposition 8 passed. These are the Obama supporters — have a popular vote in 2000 on gay marriage which you lose, 8 years later use the courts to create a “right” that does not exist, then riot when the electorate ups the ante by voting in a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
Do you think for a second that a Mormon student who volunteers through his church or another one who volunteers through the evil Boy Scouts or someone else who volunteers at a Right to Life counseling center would be allowed to use this as their “voluntary” community service? The purpose of this program is to give our community organizer POTUS-elect another way to dip his hands in the taxpayers’ pockets and channel that money to selected groups. You can bet your bippy that ACORN will be on the list of permitted groups.
As for the impact of Democrat control on colleges and universities, my liberal buddies in academe are in for an ugly surprise. Philanthropy is anticipated to go way down under the new administration and endowments are already underperforming… so who will pay for the new dorms, labs, classrooms, and scholarships?
Y-not on November 8, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Instead of universities raising tuition by 4k, I’d like to see professor’s salaries reduced by 4k. I wonder how great they’d think their socialist rhetoric was then…
haikusrock on November 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Actually, it doesn’t; “slavery” is actual ownership. Obama’s program is no more slavery than the military draft.
But – perhaps you meant that is what Obama’s answer would be?
ManUFan on November 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Do you have any idea how much professors make and how many years of training they go through to get to that salary?
Y-not on November 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM
sssssssssssspot on!
katy on November 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM
So are all the emails to and from the Office of Change.gov subject to subpoena?
MayBee on November 8, 2008 at 1:46 PM
A bit ironic that the 13th Amendment would be the first one Obama comes into conflict with.
DarkCurrent on November 8, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Seems like the draft is something to be used only in extreme cases. Obama’s plan is something that would apply all the time, which is basically involuntary servitude.
WisCon on November 8, 2008 at 1:48 PM
They changed it because it will make the mass indoctrination of young people for “social and economic justice” easier to swallow.
PattyJ on November 8, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Speaking of schools. Take 20 seconds here to sound off in a WRAL poll on Diatha (your daddy’s going to be in Iraq for 100 years) Harris’s classroom behavior.
Pianobuff on November 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Y-not on November 8, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Thanks, Y-not. Interesting (and depressing).
We’re also getting reports of problems where I live although of a different nature. This is going to be a long 4 years.
Cody1991 on November 8, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Yes, I do. However, as an impending college graduate (in Decemeber), I also know how emphatically a majority of professors push a socialist agenda.
Of course I can’t know what goes on in every classroom, but based on required reading, discussions with students at different universities, etc., I’ve hardly had a unique experience.
I’m just saying: if they’re so in favor of spreading the wealth, and making everything fair and equal, then we can start with them. After all, it shouldn’t matter how much work someone puts in to their career or job, only that what the receive is equal to everyone else around them.
haikusrock on November 8, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Let me guess, they’re going to choose which community service acts count toward the “requested” 100 hours – and which organizations should benefit from all these youthful volunteers. Free labor for ACORN in 2012!
fiscallyconservative on November 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Pianobuff: your linkage only showed the results of the poll.
Click here to get to the video/story and look for the poll link on that page.
Thanks for the heads-up.
carbon_footprint on November 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Meh I don’t see what the big deal is. Community service was mandatory for graduation at my highschool and the world didn’t end. Then again we only had to do something like 20 hours senior year.
crr6 on November 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Let’s hope he’s not so squishy when Putin stares him down.
bloviator on November 8, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Thanks C_F.
*needs more caffeine*
Pianobuff on November 8, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Keep in mind that Obama’s method is to abandon the horse that got him there and jump on a new horse for the next leg of the journey.
There will be lots of change in the changes coming from Obama.
albill on November 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Either way I’m sure there will be an income limit that will phase out the credit for high earners, plus I would guess that volunteer work at the Right to Life office won’t count towards the hours requirement. I’m out.
sheesh on November 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM
With all due respect, you failed to see the big deal with Rezko, Wright, Phlager, Rashid Khalidi, the bankruptcy of the coal industries, meeting with our enemies with no preconditions, higher taxes during a recession and voting a man with zero experience and a questionable past into the highest office in the world.
So, yeah, we take your opinion with a grain of salt.
carbon_footprint on November 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM
No problem! I have done the same thing whilst being on ample caffeine.
carbon_footprint on November 8, 2008 at 2:05 PM
A great post from yesterday answers your question:
ManUFan on November 8, 2008 at 2:07 PM
We need to start keeping track of these on a huge piece of paper. Nothing like hitting the ground running, falling on your face and bouncing a few times. This guy just can’t wait to actually be sworn in to screw up.
It was hilarious to think his Liberal followers were going to take time away from their existential existence to give back to this nation. That’s Conservatives, Obama Dude!
Hening on November 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM
How’s your sophomore year going so far?
Jim Treacher on November 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Yeah. I mean I don’t really blame you guys for going all crazy about this. It’s kind of your thing. The “Dear Leader”, “Nazi” comparisons and such. Don’t let me stop ya.
crr6 on November 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Two years of this, until we can vote enough Conservative Republicans back to Congress to keep this guy in check…. let’s see what kind of country we have at that time.
……………………… RINOs and CINOs need not apply.
Seven Percent Solution on November 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Right. Good luck with that.
WisCon on November 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Let’s do the math here, which I don’t see anyone doing yet.
What college student won’t get excited about $40 per hour?
Further, according to the US Census Bureau, there were 20.5 million college students in 2006.
Here’s the math:
$4,000 x 20,500,000 = $82,000,000,000 (82 billion dollars)
Allah, how is this an example of us being able to work with us?
beatcanvas on November 8, 2008 at 2:13 PM
That’s what I meant to say… how is this an example of us being to work with this guy?
beatcanvas on November 8, 2008 at 2:14 PM
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