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Obama website: Hey, let’s make community service compulsory for students

posted at 2:45 pm on November 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Intriguing. Will that be in lieu of or in addition to the three months of compulsory civil defense training Rahm Emanuel wants 18-to-25-year-olds to do?

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

Presumably, the penalty for being a 20-year-old who doesn’t want to spend two hours a week picking up trash would be not graduating. The penalty for dodging Emanuel’s program, only Rahm knows. I remember this subject coming up now and again in poli sci classes and my leftish professor arguing that a peacetime draft would violate the right of privacy sketched out in cases like Roe as an infringement of one’s physical autonomy. If The One pushes ahead with this, it’ll be fun watching conservatives suddenly trying to coopt that right and liberals just as suddenly trying to narrow it. (On which side, do you suppose, will the ACLU come down?) Alternatively, you could skip the right of privacy and try a First Amendment argument: If the state can’t compel students to say the pledge of allegiance, arguably it can’t make them go clean parks, either. That case would turn on the distinction between speech and conduct; given the current composition of the Court, refuseniks would stand at least a shot of winning.

It bears noting that Maverick’s also always been famously gung ho for kids doing some form of national service — “There should be more focus on meeting national goals and on making short-term service, both civilian and military, a rite of passage for young Americans,” he wrote in the Washington Monthly(!) in 2001 — but he’s been careful, at least lately, to say that it should be volunteer-only. Exit question: Won’t a lot of conservatives, especially older ones, dig this idea? Keeps kids busy and out of trouble, teaches spoiled teens responsibility, etc.

Update: Let’s not go nuts, please.


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Didn’t the 13th amendment take care of this already?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Obama Youth!

Cicero43 on November 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM

…and the draft…

…and the assault weapons ban…

*sigh* Japan is looking promising.

MadisonConservative on November 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM

This is one of those “Who’s surprised?” posts.

I hope that this Chicago Thug tries to push measures like any sort of ‘compulsory service’: another nail in his coffin

Janos Hunyadi on November 7, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Indoctrination.

dugan on November 7, 2008 at 2:48 PM

A reward for all that youth vote!

ManUFan on November 7, 2008 at 2:48 PM

When conservatives are against community service you know that parisan hackery is at play. I am pretty sure that we’d rather have kid doing community service than engaging in gang crime, doing drugs, etc. The whole idea of service is something people should celebrate. Is it just because Obama says it? Isn’t this a Christian value? I don’t get it.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 7, 2008 at 2:50 PM

MadisonConservative on November 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Just in time! Jean Bikinis!

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Obama can’t even show up on time for his first press conference.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on November 7, 2008 at 2:50 PM

As I said in another thread. Social cons love this stuff.

If kids -want- to volunteer great. Compulsory service. Uh no. 13th amendment and all that, ya know? Free will.

And if kids aren’t engaging in community service – they are all about drugs, gangs and crime. I have slightly more faith in my fellow man than “christians” apparently.

And I thought I was cynical. Heh.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

How many different “corps” is he going to invoke? Sounds like he’s building a damn army. Zombies…I hate Zombies.

birdhurd on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

It’s not like this should be a surprise to anyone. IBD called this out months ago. Click here for the story.

This is just the beginning…

cannonball on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

I’m amazed at the leftist sites that are ecstatic over this.

The same ones that yelled and screamed about a possible draft (and equating it to slavery) are suddenly thrilled with the idea of “mandatory voluntary service” because a> It helps kids get money for school b> it helps the community and c> they had to do it in high school for graduation anyway.

The latter I find interesting. I don’t recall any high school requiring voluntary service to graduate?

Skywise on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.
— Michelle Obama

billhedrick on November 7, 2008 at 2:53 PM

AP:

That case would turn on the distinction between speech and conduct; given the current composition of the Court, refuseniks would stand at least a shot of winning.

Assuming that only ‘approved’ forms of community service would qualify (serving the community by being a bouncer at your local strip club probably wouldn’t), you’d still run afoul.

greenonions on November 7, 2008 at 2:53 PM

There’s no way in Hell I’ll let my kids participate in any Corps other than the Marine Corps. This is creepy Marxism.

DerKrieger on November 7, 2008 at 2:53 PM

We’ve had a form of this in Maryland high schools for several years now.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 7, 2008 at 2:54 PM

You vill report to zee state “volunteer” center, no later zan…

I guess volunteer meant something different when I was growing up…

Falshrmjgr on November 7, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Won’t a lot of conservatives, especially older ones, dig this idea? Keeps kids busy and out of trouble, teaches spoiled teens responsibility, etc.

Okay so what about drop outs? There is a high rate in this country. So you tell a young gang member, they have to serve? in whatever capacity, they tell you to go pound sand. Really who ends up serving, kids from familys, that are already towing the line in America. The ones that are already involved in their Community, won’t they feel special serving the community, along side the conscripted LOL! Dopey.

Dr Evil on November 7, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Ed, I don’t see how one can think a conservative would love this. I think if there were a program made to help kids volunteer then there’s a conservative case there. But to make it compulsory flies in the face of everything conservatism stands for.

Really. A conservative doesn’t look at government as a way to keep his kids off the street. A conservative takes that responsibility upon himself…indeed, he welcomes that duty.

JohnTant on November 7, 2008 at 2:54 PM

IS this an offhsoot of the Schutzstaffel National Civlian Police Corps? Perhaps this is the Hitler Youf’ we’ve been waiting for?

sladenyv on November 7, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Why do I have a feeling that vote canvassing for ACORN will count towards community service?

PackerBronco on November 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

I sure hope people are thinking about the actions that they will be willing to take and to what magnitude to defend their nation.

theguardianii on November 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Hey, let’s make community service compulsory for students

Well, that’ll get the youth vote out for the next election.

Voting the other way!

BacaDog on November 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

uh-oh, no teleprompter!

ctmom on November 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Obama is heavily reading off cards on the podium. He keeps looking side to side for the teleprompter.

This is just laughable.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Oh an after thought, Orwell called them ministries, these are called Corps…I’m just sayin, the slippery slope.

Dr Evil on November 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

When conservatives are against community service you know that parisan hackery is at play. I am pretty sure that we’d rather have kid doing community service than engaging in gang crime, doing drugs, etc. The whole idea of service is something people should celebrate. Is it just because Obama says it? Isn’t this a Christian value? I don’t get it.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 7, 2008 at 2:50 PM

When have conservatives ever supported mandatory community service?

Why do you believe that the only alternatives to community service are joining a gang and or doing drugs?

Why do you believe that a young person couldn’t do their community service and at the same time join a gang and do drugs?

Mandatory charity is not a Christian value. Nor is it a conservative value. Slavery to the state is something that gets liberals excited, not conservatives.

MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Hahahaha. You voted him in kids!

Chuck Schick on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Let’s not go nuts, please.

Can we still have a sense of humor?

frankj on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Skywise on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

they weren’t really complaining about the draft, per se, were they? Didn’t they want the draft because it would make the military less effective?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Update: Let’s not go nuts, please.

As far as I know, Nazi and Soviet prisoners were not compensated with fat checks for their slave labor. The Democrats fully intend to sweeten the deal by paying for some of the costs of college:

Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama and Biden will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Recipients of the credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of community service.

The only politically viable routes for Republican criticism of this kind of program are to insist on an opt-out for students who want to pay the whole cost themselves, and to make the payoff contingent upon graduation (i.e. you only get paid after the work is done).

Big S on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

compulsory

* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences – Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise – Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power – Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals – Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth – Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light – Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations – Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force – Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control – Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents – Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State – Check
* People adopting his name as their own – Check
* Inspires adoration art – Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory – Check
* Never plans on giving up power – Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac – Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments – Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through Universal National State service – Check
* Acts as if in power before he is – Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine – Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media – Check
* Has his own salute – Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics – Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children – Check

TheBigOldDog on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

We’ve had a form of this in Maryland high schools for several years now.

Well, there you go.

BacaDog on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

I just heard about this on Rush. I can tell you right now, it will be cold day in hell before my kids participate in compulsory community service as part of a school’s curriculum.

Bill Scrunty on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

For your consideration:

Obama’s “Universal” Service Plan – Part 1
Training a Socialist Army of World Servers

Obama’s “Universal” Service Plan – Part 2

Mind Change and Collective Service

econavenger on November 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Can we still have a sense of humor?

frankj on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Yep! Conservatives laugh. That’s what we do, Frankj!

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM

As I said in another thread. Social cons love this stuff.

You were wrong in that other thread as well.

MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Isn’t it already compulsory? I remember I had to do it during Clinton’s time.

Speedwagon82 on November 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM

they weren’t really complaining about the draft, per se, were they? Didn’t they want the draft because it would make the military less effective?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

They started asking for the draft the last couple years, thinking it would get people to vote for them.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Not for my children. Over my dead body. If they volunteer for anything, it will be a local GOP youth group.

Take THAT to the bank.

Oink on November 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM

I’ve already served, twice. Obama can bite me, I need to work not volunteer.

winemkr on November 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Will the compulsory corps uniform have a nice brown shirt?

Wine_N_Dine on November 7, 2008 at 2:58 PM

I just heard about this on Rush. I can tell you right now, it will be cold day in hell before my kids participate in compulsory community service as part of a school’s curriculum.

Bill Scrunty on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Agree 10000000000%.

Oink on November 7, 2008 at 2:58 PM

The latter I find interesting. I don’t recall any high school requiring voluntary service to graduate?

Skywise on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

There are quite a few of them these days. The school provides you with a list of organizations that qualify. Most of them strongly left wing.

MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 2:58 PM

When conservatives are against community service you know that parisan hackery is at play. I am pretty sure that we’d rather have kid doing community service than engaging in gang crime, doing drugs, etc. The whole idea of service is something people should celebrate. Is it just because Obama says it? Isn’t this a Christian value? I don’t get it.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 7, 2008 at 2:50 PM

When you become ordained as a priest in the Catholic Church I’ll put credence in what you think “Christian values” are.

But for the benefit of others….

Charity is given freely. It isn’t extracted at the point of a gun. This is not charity.

If there are kids, as you say, engaged in gang crime, drugs, etc, then the only government program I support is jail time. Government-as-babysitter is not a conservative value. A group of people imbued with community spirit and organizing on their own is what conservatives dig, and those types of people don’t need The One to tell them to do it.

JohnTant on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Big S on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

My wife is from Russia. She came over in 1998 or something.

When she was a kid, 8-13 or something (I forget), she had this compulsory service during the summer when school was out. They made kids her age go to the potato fields and pick weeds until their fingers bled. They had no choice whether or not to go.

Government in action.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Shh He is speaking.

carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Obama is heavily reading off cards on the podium. He keeps looking side to side for the teleprompter.

This is just laughable.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

You have a link for this?

Chuck Schick on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Exit question: Won’t a lot of conservatives, especially older ones, dig this idea? Keeps kids busy and out of trouble, teaches spoiled teens responsibility, etc.

Not if they know the socialist intentions of the whole thing.

MattMacD on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Update: Let’s not go nuts, please.

AP, no, seriously – explain to me how this differs from the Hitler Youth.

Beo on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

$4000 for 100 hours. Two and a half weeks work for $4000.

dugan on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

I’m still in college, will be for another year, working on my Master’s Degree.

Fauxbama can take his required volunteerism and shove it.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Wow- this guy is just a total empty suit.
Talk about uninspired blather- nothing concrete, he’s basically asking for a pass til 1/20.
Manage those expectation Zero.
Oh good here comes the press to prop him up- what a joke

jjshaka on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

But SF bay area schools probably won’t allow him to recruit or conscript students there, right?

whitetop on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

100 Hours for college students? As a college student, all I can say is that I DEMAND grade inflation for doing that!

dglenn on November 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Doubleplusuncool. I’m already looking forward to my future grandkids pulling down the big bronze statues of Dear Leader.

innominatus on November 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM

He is taking questions!!!

Did you know he has always said that this wasn’t going to be easy?

ctmom on November 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM

You have a link for this?

Chuck Schick on November 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Link? It’s on the television.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM

When conservatives are against community service you know that parisan hackery is at play. I am pretty sure that we’d rather have kid doing community service than engaging in gang crime, doing drugs, etc. The whole idea of service is something people should celebrate. Is it just because Obama says it? Isn’t this a Christian value? I don’t get it.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 7, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Part of your confusion about conservatives likely stems from your inability to distinguish between “voluntary” and “compulsory”. It’s a bit like the difference between charity and taxes.

DarkCurrent on November 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Link? It’s on the television.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Ah. Wait- a what?

Chuck Schick on November 7, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Will there be a personal oath of loyalty to The One?

Cicero43 on November 7, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Wonder if he’ll recruit Oprah to do a series of Obama Youth Indoctrination Videos.

Maybe they’ll even thrown in uniforms and salutes.

Any of this sound even vaguely familiar?

pilamaye on November 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Surely Harvard will not tolerate this on its hallowed campus of constitutional freedom???

whitetop on November 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM

And there goes the stock markets gains for today.
Captain Bullshit is officially on the job.

jjshaka on November 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Uh… uh… uh… uhm… uh… uh… uhm… I… uhm…

God, I’m going to drill my ears out in the next four years listening to him speak.

Or maybe I’ll just mute the television.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM

I bet “community service” in 2012 will involve working for ACORN.

Y-not on November 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM

I just read it again. My kids are not doing it.

I wonder if picketing and protesting the White House counts? It will be for the common good.

Oink on November 7, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Thats the start,and stealth approach to the “National
Civilian Secruity Forces:!

Get the youngsters into ‘community organizing,get them
registered as Democrats,after community service,use their
names to issue orders for a mandatory three years stint
in the ‘NCSF”!

And who is going to run this operation!

And remember, at Obama’s acceptance speech,at the ‘Roman
Temple Pillars of Perpetual Hope and Everlasting Change,
he said he was going to create a MILLION NEW JOBS!

So,running this grand scam of community service,how will
it be paid for,and who benefits from this scheme!!

canopfor on November 7, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Will the ums and ahs get as much attention as Bush’s?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Allah, somebody has to go around and check everyones Tire Pressure!

jp on November 7, 2008 at 3:03 PM

100 Hours for college students? As a college student, all I can say is that I DEMAND grade inflation for doing that!

dglenn on November 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Don’t worry. These are Democrats we’re talking about. The definition of “work” will be very … flexible. This is less forced labor than it is a subsidy.

Big S on November 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Umm, someone has to tell me what Derbs said that is so wrong.

I think he nailed it.

(And I think Derbs is generally a crackpot)

PimFortuynsGhost on November 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Will the ums and ahs get as much attention as Bush’s?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 3:03 PM

No, because the comedians just can’t find anything to make fun of Obama about.

Plus, they don’t want to be silenced, or called racist. Because any dissent is racist.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Noble- cleaning semen stains off walls of public buildings.
Ignoble- defending your country with a weapon.

whitetop on November 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM

I volunteer at church, thank you

custer on November 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Doubleplusuncool. I’m already looking forward to my future grandkids pulling down the big bronze statues of Dear Leader.

innominatus on November 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Kinda like the Iraqis did with Saddam Hussein. Then they can beat the statue and any image of him with a shoe.

Oink on November 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM

How many different “corps” is he going to invoke? Sounds like he’s building a damn army. Zombies…I hate Zombies.

birdhurd on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

There are ALWAYS zombies.

TheBigOldDog on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

NEVER let the List die!! It’ll only get larger now that he’s won.

I just heard about this on Rush. I can tell you right now, it will be cold day in hell before my kids participate in compulsory community service as part of a school’s curriculum.

Bill Scrunty on November 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM

They will have to DRAG me to the place to get me to go. Kicking and screaming the whole way. I will not make it pleasant.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Civilian Security Force?

d1carter on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Obama looks nervous in his press conference.

Y’all notice when before he calls on the next reporter he looks down at the podium? Meaning, the order is predetermined.

dugan on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

WTH was that noise he just make… I think the point.. uhhguhaheghwh the tone.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

If anyone is noticing. Stocks are dropping as he speaks.

Me, myself, and I are my favorite charities.
I do not believe in compulsory service.

Kini on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

When conservatives are against community service you know that parisan hackery is at play. I am pretty sure that we’d rather have kid doing community service than engaging in gang crime, doing drugs, etc. The whole idea of service is something people should celebrate. Is it just because Obama says it? Isn’t this a Christian value? I don’t get it.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 7, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Allow me to explain the difference. Serving out of love for God and others is a Christian value. Serving out of compulsion due to government mandate is simply that: compulsion. There are countries in this world where paying a tithe to the church is mandated by the government (Switzerland comes to mind.) There is a clear distinction between giving (money or time) out of love for God and giving out of obligation to fulfill a government requirement.

Beo on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

I have a two word answer to this idea of his and I can only say one of them to avoid the obscenity police:

you!

mustng66 on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Ummm Uhhh Ummmm

Truly, the second coming of Cicero

Techie on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on November 7, 2008 at 2:50 PM

The point was made aby another commenter – it’s about the compulsion. Hello?

How about subsituting “for the good of the community” with “for the good of the State”. Does that make it any more troubling? Same damn thing if you ask me.

And if this is adopted, what will be next on the list of “compulsory” activities American’s must do?

Funny how I have yet to see anyone from the Obama camp or the Left say it should be “compulsory” for a welfare recipient to get a damn job to qualify for benefits in this new world…

catmman on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Update: Let’s not go nuts, please.

No!! Please give warnings with Politico links.

carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Every day since the one was elected it’s a laugh a minute…LOL :-)

lanesmerge on November 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Y’all notice when before he calls on the next reporter he looks down at the podium? Meaning, the order is predetermined.

dugan on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

I noticed that as well.

Bet you Fox News will never be called on in the next four years, top reporters called on will be MSNBC and New York Times.

Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM

It’s simply a way to cure young people of any unhealthy individualistic impulses – show them the heavy hand of the state early so they get used to it and come to see it as a natural part of life.

pussum207 on November 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM

THUD!!!
That’s the sound of all the youthful Obama brats jaws hitting the floor at the same time.

LMFAO

RobCon on November 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM

This is not new. They already force kids in high school to do “community service” and they even decide what constitutes community service.

bloggless on November 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM

If it’s required, how in the heck is it “volunteering”?

It’s basically the Feds directly ordering Civilians around. And that doesn’t scare the bejesus of you?

Techie on November 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM

This is a little “Tomorrow Belongs to Me” if you get my drift…..
volunteering is not a bad thing, but it’s the forcing of people by the government that’s creepy as all get out.

mjk on November 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Draft?

Oh, Dude. Who did we vote for?!??!?

RobCon on November 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM

As I said in another thread. Social cons love this stuff.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Lorien, I usually agree with your stuff, but here you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Social conservatives love government indoctrinating their children and forcing them into whatever they thing is virtuous volunteering? Why do you think so many social conservatives home school their children?
Yes volunteering can help develop virtue but that is none of the government business.

neuquenguy on November 7, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Funny how I have yet to see anyone from the Obama camp or the Left say it should be “compulsory” for a welfare recipient to get a damn job to qualify for benefits in this new world…

catmman on November 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Compulsion is at the heart of nationalized health-care.

dugan on November 7, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Actually, quite a few school districts have service learning (volunteer requirements). I had to do forty hours per year to graduate, but it could be done over the summer and availed myself of that option. I, however, went to a private school.

It strikes me as pretty iffy for this to be a requirement at public schools and especially at colleges. Glen Reynolds seems to think that it can be overturned on 13th amendment grounds.

Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Boy this press conference is vicious-all it’s missing are oxygen tanks

jjshaka on November 7, 2008 at 3:08 PM

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