Boehner: Same old song
posted at 9:25 am on November 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
John Boehner offers the (Republican) party line in an oddly flat column in today’s Washington Post. Instead of offering specifics about how Boehner plans to change the GOP to rebuild voter trust — or even acknowledging the need to do so — Boehner instead insisted that voters got hoodwinked into supporting Democrats by Barack Obama’s talk of moderation:
While Republicans are disappointed by Tuesday’s results, we respect the American people’s decision and pledge to work with President-elect Barack Obama when it is in the best interest of our nation. Some Democrats and pundits may want to read Tuesday’s results as a repudiation of conservatism — a sign that Republicans should give Democrats on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue a free ride. I don’t see it that way, and neither should Republicans across the country.
The next four years are critical to the future of our families, our economy and our country, and we have a responsibility to rebuild our party by fighting for the principles of freedom, opportunity, security and individual liberty — the principles upon which the GOP was founded. Recommitting ourselves to these principles means two things: vigorously fighting a far-left agenda that is out of step with the wishes of the vast majority of Americans and, more important, promoting superior Republican alternatives that prove that we offer a better vision for our country’s future.
America is still a center-right country. This election was neither a referendum in favor of the left’s approach to key issues nor a mandate for big government. Obama campaigned by masking liberal policies with moderate rhetoric to make his agenda more palatable to voters. Soon he will seek to advance these policies through a Congress that was purchased by liberal special interests such as unions, trial lawyers and radical environmentalists, and he’ll have a fight on his hands when he does so.
In record numbers, Americans voted on Tuesday for a skillful presidential nominee promising change, but “change” should not be confused with a license to raise taxes, drive up wasteful government spending, weaken our security, or give more power to Washington, Big Labor bosses and the trial bar. Americans did not vote for higher taxes to fund a redistribution of wealth; drastic cuts in funding for our troops; the end of secret ballots for workers participating in union elections; more costly obstacles to American energy production; or the imposition of government-run health care on employers and working families.
That’s an interesting argument, but it begs the question of what 63 Americans did vote for. All of these issues came up during the election. Republicans fought hard to make them relevant, and the Joe the Plumber certainly had everyone talking about redistributionism. In the end, people still voted for Barack Obama and Democrats in the House and Senate.
As it happens, I agree with Boehner, but the House Minority Leader misses the point. Democrats won yesterday because Republicans still haven’t rebuilt credibility with American voters after 2006. Boehner says that voters didn’t give Democrats a mandate for big government and more spending, but it’s not as though voters had much of a choice. Republicans gave them big government solutions and more spending, too, and at least the Democrats weren’t hypocrites about it.
Boehner says Republicans will continue to oppose big-government solutions and offer rational and superior alternatives on policy. That’s what we expect a loyal opposition to do, and of course Republicans around the nation want to see that. But Boehner and the GOP have to do better than that if they expect to compete in national elections. They have to convince voters that the days of K Street Projects are over, and that power won’t corrupt them like it did after the Contract with America. Voters have to know that Republicans won’t spend like drunken sailors if given the opportunity to lead.
Nothing in Boehner’s essay speaks to that at all. Instead, we hear the same, tired party line. Perhaps other voices should be speaking now.










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Michael Medved spent an hour yesterday talking about how the promised “record numbers” did not materialize–more folks voted in 2004.
jgapinoy on November 7, 2008 at 9:30 AM
Dump his ass!!! we need new blood!
grapeknutz on November 7, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Doctor Morissey is in the building.
Giving the GOP some tough medicine. :-)
(Can’t disagree at all.)
Hawkins1701 on November 7, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Pretty speech, Mr. Boehner. You ever go hunting? Stupid waste of ammunition if you’re as bad about hitting the real target as you’ve demonstrated her.
AubieJon on November 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM
I agree with Ed’s assessment.
Texas74 on November 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM
I’m thinking you mean 63 MILLION Americans there.
On topic: Yeah, I’m getting just a tad bit tired of hearing the same old party line/excuses.
It’s time for new approaches to classic conservative ideas. We need new blood in leadership positions badly, imo.
Nineball on November 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM
Simply put, we will not win elections if we merely continue to state what we are against.
We can win elections (and rebuild Conservatism) when we clearly define what we are for…and make sure all our votes, legislation and actions parrot those same principles.
When we have Mitch McConnel (R-KY) being mentioned as part of the leadership of the “new” GOP…and earmarks are his stock in trade…seems we have already taken a hit.
coldwarrior on November 7, 2008 at 9:33 AM
Time to flush the GOP house toilet.
While there is some talent in the GOP House and Senate – the current “leadership” has got to go.
Go away – give us new leadership today.
jake-the-goose on November 7, 2008 at 9:34 AM
I totally agree with you Ed. He was sent a message, and all he can do is keep pulling out of that same tired well.
p0s3r on November 7, 2008 at 9:34 AM
Energy policy and health care. Get specific and start making your case.
BadgerHawk on November 7, 2008 at 9:34 AM
Fixed
AubieJon on November 7, 2008 at 9:34 AM
It will take A LOT to convince voters that a new republican party is emerging out of this. Trust has been so broken, by Bush and his reckless handling of Iraq, by congress and its reckless handling of the budget…and by McCain/Palin and their reckless handling of campaign rhetoric that turned out to be even more us against them class warfare than the damn democrat.
recklessness on all fronts people, good luck cleaning it up
ernesto on November 7, 2008 at 9:35 AM
You are right. Unfortunately, the era of big government that was briefly over is now back and open for business. Voters aren’t confident that free markets can save them so they have turned to Senator Government. The GOP needs new leadership to show that the best government is small but smart. The old leadership allowed it be both big and careless. Jeff Flake seems real good. Others will be stepping forward to replace the old guard.
dedalus on November 7, 2008 at 9:35 AM
I miss REAGAN.
worlok on November 7, 2008 at 9:36 AM
No wonder he answers to ‘Boner’.
Hening on November 7, 2008 at 9:38 AM
Bump Beohner, Boost Flake.
BKennedy on November 7, 2008 at 9:38 AM
OMG – Is he joking????
stenwin77 on November 7, 2008 at 9:39 AM
He looks like the younger brother of Trent Lott.
We need Republican leadership that comes from Republican states, not Democrat states.
BigD on November 7, 2008 at 9:39 AM
It’s McCotter Time!
Kid from Brooklyn on November 7, 2008 at 9:39 AM
You know, as a progressive this is all kind of cute to me. For years we sat and watched the Democrats highjack our values and do nothing to further them in terms of policy. And now the conservative movement has begun to recognize that the Republican party cares about one thing and one thing only, self preservation, NOT conservatism. Join us won’t you. We are the Nader voters. The Green Party voters. The people who realize that the only difference between a Dem and a Repub is who they pander to, not what they actually do in office. It’s time for 3rd parties to challenge these scum bags.
DeathToMediaHacks on November 7, 2008 at 9:40 AM
I think were over-complicating the issues.
The five basic reasons we lost to the Dems:
1. Obama chanting Change, Hope, Yes We Can, Change We Can Believe In, nonstop, 24/7, for 24 straight months.
2. The MSM chiming in.
3. A braindead public hypnotized by the constant repetitive empty chatter.
4. White guilt
5. Hatred of Bush
To most of the voters who gave the victory to Obama, it was never about policy, the war or the economy. Republicans could never pull this off because they are forever at each others throat, they are wimps and they don’t have the MSM to promote empty promises for them.
fogw on November 7, 2008 at 9:40 AM
All in all, I don’t think Boehner has done that bad of a job. I often think the problems come with time in Washington. Everyone, I presume, runs for office on principle, honestly wanting to stand up for what they believe is best for the country. Once they get there, however, they find themselves stuck in that machine that is DC, getting chewed up and spit out if they don’t play along. These folks get so used to playing the game, the give-and-take required to get at least SOMEthing they want, that it becomes second nature. True, there is some reality to deal with as well.
Which again points to bringing in new leadership, one that is not jaded. The problem lies in finding leadership that can be effective in that environment without giving up too much of what we need.
JamesLee on November 7, 2008 at 9:40 AM
It is not just that voters turned toward Senator Government, plenty of Republican voters stayed home.
It seems like they were rejecting Republicans, not conservatives. Might be a good place to start looking for what went wrong.
myrenovations on November 7, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Time to call for Mr. Boehner to step down….
dangitt on November 7, 2008 at 9:41 AM
A small majority of the people in this country knew precisely what they were getting and it was exactly what they wanted. In fact, we have an overly dependent, left leaning country and it will remain this way until they learn the hard way that socialism and communism are absolutely dysfunctional and don’t work. This country will never be the same until the populace awakens from their self-induced coma, acquires the courage to fight and takes back their dignity, their liberties and their self-respect. Until that day arrives you should steel yourselves for some very hard times.
rplat on November 7, 2008 at 9:41 AM
You lost. Leave.
Realist on November 7, 2008 at 9:41 AM
I think after two losing election cycles the credibility of the current GOP leadership is, well…strained. :)
Over the past 12 years the GOP, with the exceptions of a few flashes of brilliance, ended up being the Democrats with better friends. Conservatism as practiced by the GOP got dumbed down to “not quite as bad as the Democrats.” Certainly there were (and are) major and substantive policy differences, but those got lost in the shuffle.
Right now I think the GOP needs to focus on winning the argument, not the election. I think Reagan said there was no limit to what one could accomplish if one didn’t care who got the credit. It’s time to get back to basics.
JohnTant on November 7, 2008 at 9:42 AM
Send him to a smoking cessation spa and bring in new blood. Out with the losers.
flyoverland on November 7, 2008 at 9:42 AM
Hey Boehner,
The it’s all Obama’s fault shtick ain’t gonna work for the next 4 years. People need solutions and vision planning, not mouth foaming at Obama. See how that worked for the Dems in 2004?
YellowDawg on November 7, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Yes, punsters remember his ascension to the House leadership with fondness, when he was in a struggle with..Roy, I think, Blunt. And we all nudged each other and said, Blunt got smoked by Boner. That was about the only thing to smile about. The GOP leadership is so squishy now, all we want to do is ‘work with our honorable colleague’ who call us warmongering bigots. These speeches are barely worth listening to..just mentally TIVO to the part where he capitulates..
austinnelly on November 7, 2008 at 9:44 AM
How is Mike Pence not in this role??
Daft Punk on November 7, 2008 at 9:44 AM
There’s no room in Nader’s party for conservatism. His platform makes that quite clear.
I do admire your pluck trying to get disaffected GOP voters though.
JohnTant on November 7, 2008 at 9:45 AM
This guy needs to go. The GOP leadership needs new blood and a Contract with America 2.0.
changer1701 on November 7, 2008 at 9:45 AM
We got hope and change so who cares if those evil Republicans have a message or not? Hussein’s gonna pay my mortgage and gas bill.
/s
BowHuntingTexas on November 7, 2008 at 9:46 AM
WHile this guy is a Conservative, he is so freakin low energy and noncommunicative, I have no idea why we are letting him be the voice of Conservatism.
He is terrible. What a mess.
benrand on November 7, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Technically, I lived through four of the eight Reagan years.
I feel cheated that it was when I was 1 to 4.
Hawkins1701 on November 7, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Republicans need to give the voters a reason to vote for them, not against the other guy. And being me-too Democrat-lite isn’t it.
rbj on November 7, 2008 at 9:49 AM
I think the first thing we need to do is stop talking about Reagan all the frigging time. The man was a great president, but that was 20 YEARS AGO. It’s time to establish our own identity.
YellowDawg on November 7, 2008 at 9:51 AM
This election is eerily similar to 1976. The economic collapse is similar to the price controls under Nixon. Vietnam was fading as an issue, like Iraq is today. There was no huge turnout to give the dems a win, it was over 7 million conservative voters staying home. The American people are excellent at game theory – they play jujitsu politics. If republicans will not act like republicans, the voters elect democrats in order to show the other voters what democrats truly stand for. Boehner and the other GOP survivors need to stand against every leftist proposal. Win or lose, they can gain credibility. The winning strategy going forward is to get new leadership in the congress, and to look outside for executive leadership. Obama is already alienating the dems in congress, and the intraparty battle lines are being drawn as we speak. Within two years, Obama will be isolated in the white house just like Carter was. All the GOP has to do is prove itself worthy of votes to overcome this setback.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 9:51 AM
I live in the district just south of Boehner’s, and I used to like that he had some clout. Now, I wish he graciously step aside for someone else while he remains as an experienced legislator.
BuckeyeSam on November 7, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Well reasoned as always, Cap’n Ed.
The House GOP needs a leader with the strengths of Gingrich and DeLay minus their fatal flaws. Is there no one better than Boehner on our side? Man, do I miss the days of Newt Gingrich, Jack Kemp, Connie Mack and Vin Weber.
Terrie on November 7, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Reagan and Goldwater provided the vision that is still relevant today. We need to build on that vision with new reaganesque leadership, a la Jindal, Flake, Ryan and Pence.
Daft Punk on November 7, 2008 at 9:54 AM
This tired old crap is not going to work. McCain lost by not directly fingering the reality of Obama’s person and positions hard enough, and by not providing a clear enough alternative. This essay does essentially the same thing.
Either the Pubs wake themselves up, or they’re in for a major unpleasant rousing. The specter of what’s left of the GOP kowtowing to Obama’s radical Left agenda looms. The Pub reaction is critical, and going forward it’s going to separate viable political leaders from those who are not.
paul1149 on November 7, 2008 at 9:54 AM
I lived through the Reagan years and he did not become great until many years after he left office according to the MSM.
During his years in office he was accused as being the person who started aids,a racist,war monger(for not getting along with russia, stupid because he was old. They did skits of him on SNL falling asleep in meetings and such.
Same song different time. Stories in the news constantly of him needing to be more moderate
Now when I hear a pundit talk about the Reagan years as good especially someone who was slamming him during that time just makes me fume.
kangjie on November 7, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Dick Armey’s piece in the WSJ hits the nail on the head. Compassionate conservatism is most of the problem, but not all of it. Answer me this: Who was Rove before dubya as elected? Who directed dubya’s political route? Who has now bootstrapped himself into a profitable post dubya career as a pundit? The bulk of GOP Congressional leadership and the RNC could not communicate effectively. That includes John McCain.
I’m beginning to feel a bit better about the election results,..at risk of sounding pollyanna, the die is cast and we live with what Obama represents till new leaders step forward. The opposition is clearcut which would not be the case had McCain been elected. I’ve been a registered pubbie for 40 years, but am changing to Independent, till the GOP returns to conservative fiscal principles.
a capella on November 7, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Honest to God, I’ve been saying this since the gas prices sky-rocketed months ago. I wanted him on the steps with a microphone in his face expressing outrage that the DEMS wouldn’t do anything about it.
He must go.
Oink on November 7, 2008 at 9:56 AM
The republicans have not had a real message for years. All McCain did was attack Barry’s associations rather then come forth with real ideas. The republicans are no longer thought of as smaller government and less taxes because of their voting records. They, along with Bush, have all but destroyed Reagan’s principles. McCain could have talked about illegal immigration, out of control government spending, military threats against this country, etc. Most of these issues he was on the wrong side of the fence. Conservatism will never regain power when the republicans continue to increase government spending at every turn. Time to completely overhaul the party if there is any future chance.
trs on November 7, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Are you kidding me Boehner? You guys have ran the congress the EXACT same way the democrats have. Bigger and Bigger Government. A GRAPH IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS
BrewCrew on November 7, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Memo to Boner (Boehner):
We are the base, ignore us at your own peril. You can be replaced. Just like John McCain you can’t win without us. So start taking notes dickhead.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Boehner … get out. Resign. You’re part of the problem. You can’t lend a hand so get out of the road.
New leadership, now. And you’re not part of it.
pabarge on November 7, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Folks, at the risk of being accused of narcisism, I started a blog yesterday calling for a rebuilding of the republican party. Please visit by clicking on my moniker below.
We need to be pushing folks like Palin, Jindal, and Flake.
If we/you truly believe there needs to be a shift back to conservative values, then maybe we should run for office. Too many positions are filled by liberals who run unopposed.
Thanks and please forgive me for the shameless plug.
AubieJon on November 7, 2008 at 9:59 AM
When it comes to specific policy prescriptions, sure, I guess. Reagan was of his time and we need someone for our time.
But his philosophy is highly relevant. I don’t want a reincarnation of Ronald Reagan, but I do want a guy who can apply the conservative philosophy to the here and now LIKE Reagan did in his time.
Sadly, I don’t see anyone today who is ready in the wings the way Reagan was in 1979. Remember Reagan had a great background and history in the GOP before his presidential runs. I don’t know anyone who was on that GOP debate stage early this year who compares.
JohnTant on November 7, 2008 at 9:59 AM
FIFY, Ed.
Don’t know much about Boehner, but do I know that it’s time for the GOP to publicly admit their sins, ask for forgiveness and promise to change their ways.
Mr_Magoo on November 7, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Did I doze off for a week or two the past 14 years? When exactly was that brief moment that the era of big government was over? Are you talking about the Clinton years? The current President expanded government in a rather robust fashion. I keep looking at my updated Perot charts but can’t find any instance of government getting smaller.
LevStrauss on November 7, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Agreed.
But you know what gets me?
I’m already reading comments like this.
“It would be suicide for the GOP to run Jindal because he advocates creationism!!!!”
Really, guys? Seriously?
First we drive Romney out because he’s a Mormon (not that he didn’t have other issues, but that undoubtedly played a role), and now this. (For the record, I had one of my College Republican Party friends flat out tell me that he wouldn’t vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon.)
Hey, I know, why don’t we just forget about ever trying to regain majority status, and just fight each other over petty bs? That sounds like fun, doesn’t it?
And while we’re at it, let’s forget about the First Amendment at all. Let’s forget that the Founding Fathers were able to put religious differences aside to, I don’t know, found a freaking nation.
I need a drink.
Hawkins1701 on November 7, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Well, McCain didn’t do the Republicans any favors when he continued to blame Republicans for the country’s problems. Is it any wonder why the Republicans lost seats?
The ignorant voters in the middle found it hard to buy into Barack being a socialist when Bush was proposing the $700 Billion bailout and McCain supported it. Barack supported it also, so they didn’t see much difference. That more than anything, was why it was a tough year for Republicans. In four years, we need a candidate who will take it to the democrats. Not one who blames Republicans for everything.
poljunkie on November 7, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Each of us needs to use the power we have: communication. If you don’t like this essay, copy it into an email, edit it to your satisfaction, and send it back on over to Boehner.
Our side is still reachable. I doubt that the other side will be to their constituents. Take advantage of that. Be firm, but remember, your message will be dismissed if you’re impolite.
RushBaby on November 7, 2008 at 10:01 AM
To Boehner, don’t let the door hit your @ss on the way out, and spare us the tears this time.
LevStrauss on November 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM
We needn’t stop speaking of Reagan.
But it did not serve us well that during the primaries every Republican proclaimed themseleves to be Reagan.
It does not serve us well that we proclaim any decent conservative hopeful “the next Reagan”.
We need Reagan principles. We need Reagan-esque communication of those principles.
myrenovations on November 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM
We need to start a farm team pronto, and groom some potential candidates who will be ready to step up to the plate in four years. This is the second election in the last four where we ended up running a tired, cranky, old, moderate, uninspiring Washington insider against someone with more youth and energy. The electorate isn’t aging as fast as the Republican ticket is.
whitetop on November 7, 2008 at 10:03 AM
No one got hoodwinked (Democrats) got Barack Obama, he ran a good campaign, and he got the vote out. Sometimes in the excitement, they would register 1 voter- 72 times, I mean it happens/sarc. What were the Republicans doing? Where did that 600 some Million Dollars come from filling Obama’s campaign coffers? What has happened to all the F.B.I. investigations opened because of ACORN? Not to mention Tony Rezko? Are we giving up on the LA Times video tape? These issues didn’t disappear. How many open F.B.I investigations are open into ACORN? Am I the only one that wants to see this org taken down and disolved? Before they get more tax payer money. Who is Vera Baker and why is she in Martinique? I guess everyone is just going to give Obama/Biden a pass now because they got elected? Is that how it works?
You know I would like to hear a lot more from Gov Sarah Palin and Rep Thaddeus McCotter. Thank You Very Much, they stayed true and focused. Not RINOS. Oh and it looks like the Shamnesty Agenda they were pushing, didn’t work out the way they planned. How about that fence now?
Dr Evil on November 7, 2008 at 10:03 AM
As much as I was a part of the Reagan Revolution, we have to come to grips with the fact that Reagan is dead.
Over the past several years I have spoken with all manner of college age and 30-something folks, and to them, Reagan is as far removed from their world as the great Depression was from mine. Invoking Reagan is foreign to more than half of the present-day GOP.
Principles…not the man.
Principles endure. Men, less so.
Our cemeteries are full of thousands of people the world could not live without.
Principles.
Obama won on the basis of people believing in the man…and “hope” and “change.” Add to that several million disgruntled GOP voters staying home.
We can not take back Congress nor the White House if we allow ourselves to become fixated on the man….the Dems can, and have…but we need to be guided by principles…and make sure we clearly articulate those same principles….and make sure our elected officials live by them.
Compassionate Conservatism? More like Dem-lite. Massive government bailouts? Sounds more like an FDR scheme. The Dems are already talking about massive massive government bailouts and over a trillion more in government payouts…and unemployment has hit 6.5% And stocks continue their downward spiral across the globe. We are on the cusp of a huge changeover to American Socialism.
Ever wonder why Great Britain is no longer a powerhouse of any kind? They embraced socialism. Had a few Thatcher years…but essentially they are back on track with socialism once again…and pandering to minorities as well.
Apparently, so are we.
If Boehner and McConnel are the new face of the “new” GOP, then perhaps it is time to get a real Conservative Party underway.
coldwarrior on November 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Hey dummy, what the graph shows is Republicans having a majority about 25% of the time in the last 45 years. The democrats had the majority far more often than the Republicans. And when did the peak spending occur? Why, golly gee whiz, during the last two years while the Democrats controlled both houses of congress.
But heh, thanks for the cool graph.
fogw on November 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM
You know, instead of guys like John Boehner harping and bellyaching on how all the voters got hoodwinked into voting Democratic, why don’t the Republicans try looking at the real cause of the problem, namely they have abandoned their roots and their former values so as to try and develop some sort of appeasement with the Democrats.
This is why there are so many idiotic RINOs running around the party right now, and some of them have been given too vocal a voice.
It is time to first shut these RINOs up and put them in their place once and for all. Then I suggest that people like John Boehner make a pilgrimage of sorts to the Reagan Library, and do some remedial refresher training on what the Republican Party used to stand for and what it needs to do to regain its foothold in the American political landscape.
And if John Boehner refuses to do this and continues to tote the current failed party line, perhaps it is time to find someone else to take his place, someone who actually still believes in the values that once made the Republican Party the dominant force it used to be.
pilamaye on November 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Boehner needs to put the interests of the party ahead of his personal ambitions.
He needs to do the honorable thing, like Blunt has done, and step aside.
I want no part of the Republican Party at this point, and I have voted Republican, almost exclusively, for 30 years.
Newt Gingrich brilliantly engineered the historic Republican takeover of the House in 1994.
Whe we lost a few seats in the House in 1996 or 1998, he treated the loss as a vote of no confidence and selflessly resigned not only as Speaker of the House, but his Congressional seat.
Since that time, Republican House leadership has included backroom dealmakers like Tom Delay and Dennis Hastert.
Newt Gingrich forged a coalition of honest Republcian lawmakers who put forth a Contract with America, a 10 point plan to re-vitalize the political landscape.
Now we have a bunch of Republican leadership whose sole purpose seems to be cutting pork-laden deals with the Democrats.
Boehner needs to do the honorable thing and resign.
If a party puts forth a positive agenda with specific platforms, it tends to do well.
We need real leadership at this point.
Our country needs two distinct parties.
molonlabe28 on November 7, 2008 at 10:05 AM
We must move forward, but never forget where we came from. This is one of the key differences between conservatives and liberals. Liberals don’t beleive the founding fathers (or their principles) are relevant today – conservatives know they are.
FuriousAmerican on November 7, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Annie says:
Here,I will keep it simple: Rino go.
Or, as Annie put it:
Of course the wolves in sheepish clothing Rinos will each declare thay “They are no Rinos, that they are true Conservatives”-who just happen to agree with many planks of the Dem platform.
So look at votes and sniff them out. Then vote them out.
Doug on November 7, 2008 at 10:07 AM
whitetop on November,2008 at 10:03
That is a great idea but the scrubs that are already in the show, managers and players alike, think that they own the team. We need to drop them from the roster.
thomasaur on November 7, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Ed – Whats the over/under on the # of Sarah threads Allah will start today? If it is three – I’ll take over.
BTW – we need to purge the failed leadership of the past and promote the fearless, energetic conservatives who will hold the Dems to account. I like Flake, Ryan, Pence, Palin and Jindal.
Fuquay Steve on November 7, 2008 at 10:09 AM
He’s got to go. he’s the face of the old Republicans. We need new faces with new ideas.
He thinks we’ll win in 2010 just on schadenfreud. It’s not going to happen. Republicans have to make a clear case for smaller governement, low taxes, and strong defense. They have to prove they’re the right answer for the economy.
Plus the environment in 2010 is going to be much more hostile. The Fairness Doctrine and the “Civilian Security Force” will be working hard to silence and demonize the opposition. There is no loyal opposition in Obamaland.
Iblis on November 7, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Contact Boehner Here:
I say we give these nitwits and nicompoops a piece of our mind. WE ARE THE BASE. Boehner! All your base are belong to us!
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2008 at 10:09 AM
As with McCain — Failure lies with the leader. That’s why they are leader. Step aside John, you tried, we need an upgrade.
Are there are enough conservatives to make a Pence leader? Does anyone know?
tarpon on November 7, 2008 at 10:10 AM
I remember the long gone (pre 9/11) days when I was blissfully ignorant of party politics. It is that very ignorance that all too many went ahead with the wholesale purchase of obamanomics.
Boehner should take Maxine‘s advice:
heroyalwhyness on November 7, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Most Americans will always identify success or failure in this country by who is in the White House. The worse the Dems ruled while in power in Congress, the worse Bush took the fall for it.
We will see if the same persists when Obama has the title. I am sure it will be the fault of something else, of course.
Grafted on November 7, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Ed, a little typo: I think more then 63 people supported Obama.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Well that guy is a moron, just look at the vote totals.
Sheesh.
A Axe on November 7, 2008 at 10:14 AM
“They have to convince voters that the days of K Street Projects are over, and that power won’t corrupt them like it did after the Contract with America. ”
If the Republicans want to get away from the K Krowd they need to move their party operations away from Washington DC. Symbolic, yes. But it sends a message.
Dr. Dog on November 7, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Dump Boehner. We should call our Congressmen/women/it and ask them to dump Boehner.
Punchenko on November 7, 2008 at 10:17 AM
This Guy, and he doesn’t sugar coat it. This appeals to Grown Ups.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/the-mccotter-challenge-why-is-there-a-republican-party/
Dr Evil on November 7, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Terrie on November 7, 2008 at 10:19 AM
My sense for conservatives disgust and outrage is the scandals that are wrapped around our sens. and reps..Once the candidate is bought by big money, the concerns of the base are gone until election time again. I think term limits for our leaders is definitely what we need. That is another reason Palin was such a good candidate. She wasn’t wrapped around the Washington poop. Obama, McCain, Clinton, Biden…it is like putting clean clothes on a dirty body.
Wash. politics is looking like MA politics.(ugh)
DJ from MA on November 7, 2008 at 10:24 AM
what 63 million Americans did vote for
People bought into “the one”, his rhetoric and pompous displays of collective “hope”.
He played them on their own insecurities and low social status.
Losing seats came from people only wanting to vote for Obama then checked the straight Democrat ticket box.
… Case in point… 2 Democrats, running for local offices where I live withdrew before the election, but their names were still on the ballot when they were printed. Each got 38% of the vote – go figure
woogs on November 7, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Duh. How many beatings does it take for these people to figure out we’re doing something wrong???
Come on. Give the others a chance to take our party in the right direction. Pun intended.
SueM on November 7, 2008 at 10:27 AM
I’m getting sick of hearing this. I don’t want the Republican party to be center-right. We’ve had center-right throughout these last eight years and that’s why everything is a complete mess.
The Republican party needs to go right and replace Boehner with Flake.
moonsbreath on November 7, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Let’s flush these flaccid Boehner-like turds down the bi-partisan, reaching across the aisle toilet. I want my leaders to draw blood. I want my leaders to fight. I want some of my leaders to die in battle fighting the good fight.
John Boehner wants his pension left intact.
epluribusunum on November 7, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Amen to that!! Replace them every 8 years like the dirty laundry they are.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2008 at 10:31 AM
>>>And while we’re at it, let’s forget about the First Amendment at all. Let’s forget that the Founding Fathers were able to put religious differences aside to, I don’t know, found a freaking nation.
I need a drink.
Hawkins1701 on November 7, 2008 at 10:00 AM>>>
I’m with ya, Hawkins. We’ve become a nation so shallow that we can’t discuss anything in any depth. Can’t even listen to the arguments regarding whether science is accountable for facts, or bound to strict materialism even when it doesn’t fit the facts. There’s a real discussion to be had there, but Americans are either too scared or too shallow to have that conversation.
And I think it’s because of Cloward-Piven. I sound like a broken record, but we have real enemies who seriously intend to throw wrenches into our whole worldview and system.
We’ve seen what that has done financially and electorally, but it also involves our educational and informational systems. The media paints people however they like and a person can’t recover from it because nobody has the time to do the investigation the media is supposed to be doing. Throw enough smokescreens and you can confuse or scare the public into whatever you want.
I don’t think Republicans can regroup until somebody in the nation begins to make the nation aware of what America historically is, who America’s enemies are, their method of attack, how that’s presented itself in real terms, and the high, high toll it’s taken on all of us and on our process.
We don’t need to fight dems. Most of them don’t even know who pulls their puppet strings. We need to fight the Cloward-Piven Plan as implemented worldwide by George Soros. That word – Cloward-Piven Plan – needs to become a household word.
Every high school American studies student needs to hear it and be aware of what it is. Every chancellor of every college and university needs to know what it is and needs to get their sociology professors to make public statements on what it is and what its implementation means in America today. Newspapers need to be flooded with letters to the editor to the point that real articles need to be written so people are educated about what is going on right under our noses.
Every media outlet in the nation needs to be exposed for doing its part in the Cloward-Piven Plan. They need to be told that if/when America falls to Bill Ayers and Co. they will be lined up and shot, as Yuri Bezmenov says, along with Bill Ayers’ estimate of 250 million of us who resist re-education.
The faculty at my own University of Nebraska-Lincoln need to be told the same thing – they who couldn’t understand why Nebraskans were outraged at having Ayers speak. I intend to get busy on that effort immediately.
Yuri Bezmenov said, “Publishers, editors, journalists, uh, actors, educationalists, professors of political science, members of Parliament uh, of pre, eh, representatives of business circles. Most of these people were divided roughly in two groups.
Those who would toe the Soviet foreign policy. They would be promoted to the positions of power through media and public opinion manipulation.
Those who refused the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated or executed physically come revolution. ”
Look at Barack Obama – prime example of those who toe the communist line. Look at Joe Wurzelbacher – prime example of someone who refused.
That character assassination will be effective unless and until it is exposed for what it is. That character assassination is getting the Republican party to kill its own.
Sorry to rant. I just really believe strongly that we have to expose America’s enemies before we can act as though this is America we’re living in.
justincase on November 7, 2008 at 10:33 AM
The graph clearly shows that since 2000 they have ALL been on a spending spree.
Mr_Magoo on November 7, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Mr. Boehner it is time to step aside. I am not passing judgement on your country club repub look, sometimes mistaken for a Mercedes used car salesman. What I am saying is that for better of worse you were captain of the Titanic. The fact that you survived is irrelevant. You must step aside and let some fresh ideas surface. You are in the way. Step aside.
If the house repubs don’t demand it then we have all we need to know about the current repub party.
patrick neid on November 7, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Before casting aspersions on someone elses intelligence, maybe you should LOOK at the chart?
Key is that it has not mattered WHICH of the two parties were in power, the RATE of government spending increase is almost identical. Its a very steady increase historicly…
So, he has a very valid point… how can the Republicans be believed when they say they are the party of small government, when given the power to affect policy, they continue to GROW the government at very close to the same rate as the Dems?
Romeo13 on November 7, 2008 at 10:35 AM
For those of you who don’t yet realize that Boehner is part of the problem, read this Shut up! Boehner.
Really. This guy is like a retread tire with its casing off, limping down the road.
Boehner, get out. Now.
pabarge on November 7, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Boehner, don’t go away mad. Just go away.
America did get hoodwinked, in that after two years of public “scrutiny” we still don’t know a lot about Obarry’s college years. I’d be willing to bet that we’ll never know about it any time in the near future either.
This election wasn’t a referendum on anyone or anything. It was the first Presidential American Idol. And we just elected Sanjaya. (I actually had to look up a name, as I’ve never watched the show)
TugboatPhil on November 7, 2008 at 10:37 AM
The same old shallow power-hungry thinking that we’ve come to expect from Boehner and the Republicans. He used to have principles– before the Republicans were in power.
It’s part of the attitude that Republicanism is a “brand.” We’re not looking for a creative packaging and a new marketing strategy.
obladioblada on November 7, 2008 at 10:37 AM
I think the Republicans as a whole are realist. Those who defy communism will be character assassinated and that’ll be the end of ‘em. You have to pick your battles carefully if you’re going to survive.
The biggest thing we need to be doing right now is expose the will and methods of the people who own the democratic party, the media, education, and (more and more) the business sector. They have bought and paid for this country and until they are exposed and neutered, the only people able to make it in Washington long enough to hope to accomplish anything will be those who obey their masters. The problem is much, much deeper than just a bad guy here or there. It is a complete, stinking, systemic gangrene that’s killing us.
justincase on November 7, 2008 at 10:41 AM
We’ve just witnessed a momentous political event as earth-shattering as the sack of Rome, the fall of Constantinople, and the defeat of the Confederacy. Any one of us that naively believes that this country will come out of the other end of the Hussein disaster that has befallen us looking anything like what we were prior to this election is willfully blind AND totally ignorant. The battle for the future of this country has already been lost. The Bush years (Bush I and II) will go down in history as the downfall. The Republican Party proved itself incapable of carrying on the legacy of the greatest advocate for liberty in 150 years (Ronald Reagan) and opted instead for the mush-mouthed, pea-brained, big government, welfare state, bureaucratic impulse idiocy of the Bushes.
This country simply cannot exist in its current configuration. Our institutions, both political and economic, can no longer sustain the drag put on the productive market sectors by ever-rising entitlements, never-ending military commitments, and ever-expanding governmental intrusion into every aspect of American life. And we’ve just seen the American people elect a cast of characters hell-bent on destroying the Constitution and implementing a Marxist dictatorship.
The record shows that the Republicans are not up to the task of defending the Constitution and saving the Republic. This country is going down, people. What we will see ain’t pretty. In fact, its really ugly! You all better find a hidey-hole to retreat to for the sake of your kith and kin. When the mushroom cloud blows up over New York this time around, don’t expect to see anybody stand up for America. Just run for the exits while you can!
blackelkspeaks on November 7, 2008 at 10:52 AM
You both make valid points. So did I. I stand by what I said, there was nothing inaccurate about my comment.
fogw on November 7, 2008 at 10:55 AM
doesn’t matter how conservative you are if you can’t communicate it in an effective way, Boehner is about as interesting as dirt, he needs to go
Flake, Pence, step up.
Cantor is more of the same.
commodore on November 7, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Blackelkspeaks at 10:52
Sure, have a plan to protect your family in the short term, such as if we get hit by the dirty bombers that Iran is recruiting.
And have an eternal plan. Most of us won’t make it out of this world alive. Those who do will have to go through hell-on-earth first. Either way, it’s a good time to be ready, reconciled to your Maker through the Redeemer.
But in the meantime we have a burning building. Certainly we try to rescue our loved ones close to the flames. But there are a heckuva lot of people who are so far inside the building that the only way to save them is to fight the fire.
Look at the video of 9-11, the people jumping from the buildings. That’s America. If we have the ability to stop the work of America’s enemies, we have to muster up strength to do so.
Blackelkspeaks, I think you understand the depth of what we’ve gotten into. But we can’t just surrender. We have to fight it.
justincase on November 7, 2008 at 11:02 AM
I like Boehner but really it should be Mike Pence, Paul Ryan and perhaps Flake or Cantor in that order for leadership. John old buddy, you failed us two straight elections. Lets get younger and clearer with our message.
Dritanian on November 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Have said it a million times…..President Canidates should never come from the House or the Senate. They owe each other too much. That is why McCain refused to name names. Dodd and Barney. We need to get back to the conservative roots. At lest most of the Old South stayed Red.
10AC on November 7, 2008 at 11:24 AM
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