Armey, Gingrich: Republicans spent their way to the wilderness

posted at 4:30 pm on November 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Dick Armey writes in a Wall Street Journal column today what most conservatives understood for the past several years — that “compassionate conservatism” was just another name for Big Government.  The former Majority Leader under Speaker Newt Gingrich traces the fall of the GOP to the beginning of the Bush administration and its spending policies:

To be sure, the American people have handed power over to the Democrats. But today there is a categorical difference between what Republicans stand for and the principles of individual freedom. Parties are all about getting people elected to political office; and the practice of politics too often takes the form of professional juvenile delinquency: short-sighted and self-centered.

This was certainly true of the Bush presidency. Too often the policy agenda was determined by short-sighted political considerations and an abiding fear that the public simply would not understand limited government and expanded individual freedoms. How else do we explain “compassionate conservatism,” No Child Left Behind, the Medicare drug benefit and the most dramatic growth in federal spending since LBJ’s Great Society? …

Republicans lost control of Congress in 2006 because voters no longer saw Republicans as the party of limited government. They have since rejected virtually every opportunity to recapture this identity. But their failure to do so must not be misconstrued as a rejection of principles of individual liberty by the American people. The evidence suggests we are still a nation of pocketbook conservatives most happy when government has enough respect to leave us alone and to mind its own business. The worrisome question is whether either political party understands this.

Newt Gingrich sounds a similar tone in this interview with a George Washington grad student, especially at the end:

However, in the midst of the Bush-bashing, I want to point out something Gingrich says. He states that as long as the government spends multi-trillion dollars every year, lobbyists will gather to get their share, distorting the political process and leading to corruption. The only way to reduce or eliminate the influence of lobbyists in Washington is to reduce the amount of spoils they can grab.

Gingrich is right, and so is Armey, as far as they go.  That process also works in reverse, though, something both Armey and Gingrich neglect to mention.  Armey does some measure of self-congratulation in noting the roles of himself, Gingrich, and John Boehner in opposing the “old bulls” of the party in 1994 and winning with the Contract with America.  What neither Armey nor Gingrich mention is the parallel “K Street Project” that Republicans launched to get lobbyists harnessed to the Republican Party.  In order to do that, they needed to guarantee spoils to these lobbyists, which meant more money spent at the federal level and an explosion in earmark spending.

We can certainly criticize the Bush administration for its high-spending ways, but let’s not kid ourselves that the Republican problems started with W’s inauguration.  The seeds of the spending explosion got planted in that K Street Project, and that signaled the end of small-government conservatism in that era.  Gingrich is right in that we need to cut spending in order to minimize the influence of lobbyists, but we can’t trust any party to do that when they’re busily bribing lobbyists in order to support a supposedly “permanent majority”.  Republicans forgot why they wanted that power, and got seduced by it instead, and well before Bush took office.

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Yes, and who will set our people free?

Out of the wilderness, I think God will call Sarah – to lead us to the promise land.

(Just being amusing…okay? However, she is probably the future leader of our party)

kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Heard that Newt wants the RNC job. Cant said that is a good position for him.

William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Ed good points on all.

Only one probelm. Most People (younger) whom are liberal or moderate or whatever in this day and age, do NOT like conservative values.

I really wonder what is going to happen to this country in the coming years.

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Yep, I’d say Newt and Armey are right on.

Heard that Newt wants the RNC job. Cant said that is a good position for him.

William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Why not?

Tacitus_SGL on November 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Can I have an AMEN?

This party needed this baptism by fire. A good loss will help us get back to the fundamentals. As much as a palate cleanser that Obama is, he will cause people to flock back to rational thought again.

portlandon on November 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Upinak – what will happen, no kidding, is the more people just flat out give up on absolutes or values – then it is over.

However, the good news is, that people get a little sick of meaningless and confusion fairly quickly. Then, they start trying to meaning and purpose again.

So, maybe it is not so gloomy.

kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Republicans have been playing the game of ‘how far left can I go and still get elected?’. McCain was clearly too far. Bush was very close to the edge; without a war on, he might not have made it.

Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I really wonder what is going to happen to this country in the coming years.

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:34 PM

It’s not the they don’t like them.

It’s that too often they are framed in a religious context. They needed to be framed as the option of choice vs control.

do you want choice in your life? or you do want someone to control your life?

people will always pick choice.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Why not?

Tacitus_SGL on November 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM

I dont know if Newt has the organizational skills. Hes good at rhetoric but I havent seen any evidence that he can turn around the GOP’s inability to match the democratic ground game.

For that matter I think Micheal Steele is also a bad choice.

We need someone that is open to new ideas and new tactics for the GOP to use. A list of conservative values is a great starting point but it isnt the whole path to victory.

William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Republicans have to get away from any semblance of Big Government, whether economic or socially, and return to the true roots of conservatism which is limited government and fiscal responsibility.

And they have to be more than offer lip service, they have to offer specifics, ala Contract with American, or else they will just be disregarded.

Religious ideals are a personal issue, to be in the home, the family, and in ones place of worship. People can have their views just fine, without the need for politicians to try to enact those into laws.

firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Dick Armey? Does he still slur his speech? I always thought he sounded like Otis on the Andy Griffith Show.

Mark30339 on November 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Republicans always “learn” this lesson. Why doesn’t it ever stick??

I give up.

Cicero43 on November 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM

President Sarah Palin and Senior Advisor to the President Newt Gingrich 2012

lodge on November 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM

William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I like Newt; but sometimes I feel like he is the worst type of conservative.

He latched onto “energy independence” and hocked a book about it. Did he do anything else besides that?

I totally agree with you. I haven’t seen in him an ability to do anything beyond make himself richer.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I dont know if Newt has the organizational skills. Hes good at rhetoric but I havent seen any evidence that he can turn around the GOP’s inability to match the democratic ground game.

William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM

This is the guy who engineered the 1994 landslide. I think he is up to it.

Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Yep. So how are we going to change it and get back to the principles that make our party strong?

And on a side note..anyone here from Michigan who is thrilled with the idea of Jenny Granholm being part of Obama’s economic transition team? Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life?? We’re in big trouble folks. Big trouble.

SueM on November 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Hey people, get to it!

http://www.boycottcorruptmedia.org/

gumble on November 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Cicero43 on November 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Being a republican is a constant exercise in education.

Being a democrat is easy. Gimme gimme gimme.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM

I think about running for Congress or the Senate on the platform, “I ain’t bringing a damn penny back to this district”

Elizabetty on November 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM

“Too often the policy agenda was determined by short-sighted political considerations and an abiding fear that the public simply would not understand limited government and expanded individual freedoms.”

What the Fu%k did you run on with the “Contract with America” you stupid ass???????????

Don’t blame “the public” and “we simply wouldn’t understand” doing what you said you would do, what we have been screeming for you to do, what you continually promise to do, but never in the end, actually do……….

……………. Armey, how about a nice taste of a “shut the fu%k up” sandwich. You are the past, we are done with RINOs, and CINOs, and impetent politicians that only want to “get along”, and invited to the cocktail parties and Sunday News shows.

The Conservative Base WILL rebuild the Republican party, and your ilk will be left as scraps along the way.

You want to see the future?

………………….. Look North to Alaska, you are no longer welcome.

Seven Percent Solution on November 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Do we really need to be stressing how we’ve lost a couple of elections because we advocating more federal spending when the incoming administration is going to pass programs that require spending money like drunken sailors?
The DemocRats are talking about how we have to pass a $700 billion “stimulus” package NOW.
(McCain blew it big time by voting for the bailout, as did the rest of the GOP.)
The economy’s so crazy, I don’t think either Armey or Gingrich should say a word about federal monies.
NObama won because he’s black and “cool.” End of story.
Neither our spending policies nor anything else had much to do with our loss this time.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 4:44 PM

………………….. Look North to Alaska, you are no longer welcome.

Seven Percent Solution on November 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Scratches head and looks at Seven.

Dude, I never closed Alaska down. Chill man, Put DOWN the caffinated beverage and step away.

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM

President Bush put political bipartisanship above fiscal stewardship. The result has been “bankruptcy all round”.
Fiscal conservatism is needed as never before.

Randy

williars on November 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM

I like Newt; but sometimes I feel like he is the worst type of conservative.

He latched onto “energy independence” and hocked a book about it. Did he do anything else besides that?

I totally agree with you. I haven’t seen in him an ability to do anything beyond make himself richer.

He was against the bailout. He may have changed his mind at the last minute though, I dont quite remember

lodge on November 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Being a republican is a constant exercise in education.

Being a democrat is easy. Gimme gimme gimme.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Absolutely!!

SueM on November 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM

In that picture, I think Dick Armey was telling the moderates and RINOs to “read between the lines.”

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 7, 2008 at 4:46 PM

I think about running for Congress or the Senate on the platform, “I ain’t bringing a damn penny back to this district”

Elizabetty on November 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM

(Laugh) I admire the sentiment, but honestly, don’t know if you’ll get too many votes – sadly enough.

kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Newt at RNC would be great, he also loves Palin.

Firebird on November 7, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Being a republican is a constant exercise in education.

Being a democrat is easy. Gimme gimme gimme.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Taxpayers vs. tax-takers is what it boils down to dude.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 7, 2008 at 4:46 PM

He’s finally realizing this…So again I say, what took so long?

The Dean on November 7, 2008 at 4:47 PM

I agree with the earlier posts…the new GOP will be driven by governors who get things done…maybe guys like Paul Ryan and Mike Pence can contribute, but it will be the govs that bring us back.

Dick Armey is just that.

Newt is so much better off behind the scenes…

joepub on November 7, 2008 at 4:48 PM

This is the guy who engineered the 1994 landslide. I think he is up to it.

Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Not really.
Newt had nothing to do with it–it was “we, the people” who engineered the 1994 landslide, mainly in response to Hillary Care and the other instances of Clinton’s new-found executive power run amok.
Hopefully, we will stage a repeat in 2010!

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 4:48 PM

You know guys …. think of it from this point of view.

You can take the wilderness out of the city… but the wilderness always comes back, growing and migrating over what was once concrete, brick and steel.

It may not happen right away, but it will come back. Slowly at times.

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:48 PM

This is the guy who engineered the 1994 landslide. I think he is up to it.

Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Yes it worked in 1994 will it work again now ? I said Newt was good a comming up with the rhetoric to win races but this is a whole new ballgame than the one Newt played then.

William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 4:49 PM

The wilderness is where Galt’s Gulch is, isn’t it? :)

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Several of us here and at the old CQ’s have been preaching this since 2004. Just as it was forgotten then it will be forgotten in a few months. Everybody wants a list, a qualifier of what it is to be a repub/conservative. They forget everything stems from only two core principles,

FISCAL responsibility and SMALL effective government.

Maybe if we are lucky 1/3 of all current Repub politicians believe this. Bills, earmarks, and bigger government are their stock and trade. They are not even good at it, that’s why the electorate has voted in Dems two elections in a row. They figure if we are going broke they want free stuff just like the politicos get. Obama and crew are going to give it to them and we are going to pay for it. Real brilliant!

Welcome to shitting in the woods for the foreseeable future.

patrick neid on November 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Sometimes the obvious, is, well obvious…

d1carter on November 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Helping seniors pay for sky rocketing medicine, helping people in Africa deal with aids, no child left behind to help our children are these the things we are bitchin about.
So are these guys trying to say that we abandon the weakest among us so that we balance the budget.THis doesn’t make sense to me. To me the Medicare program was needed to help people who had to decide between buying there food or buying medicine, the role of a conservative led goverment should have been to get the best deal for the tax payer such as negotiating the price of drugs instead of letting the pharma industry make billions from tax payers.

Chicostein on November 7, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Welcome to shitting in the woods for the foreseeable future.

patrick neid on November 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Depends on what you mean and how you do it.

If you are a bear, are you going to use a soft furry rabbit to whip your butt?

Now if you are human, are you going to use your hand or a leaf? Or rub your butt against a tree?

Perspective!

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Armey, Gingrich: Republicans spent their way to the wilderness

Ya think?!

goldeagle11 on November 7, 2008 at 4:53 PM

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:53 PM

I’d use the bunny myself.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 4:54 PM

I really wonder what is going to happen to this country in the coming years.

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:34 PM

It’s not
the they don’t like them.

It’s that too often they are framed in a religious context. They needed to be framed as the option of choice vs control.

do you want choice in your life? or you do want someone to control your life?

people will always pick choice.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 4:39 PM

I agree. Make it about choice and they will flock back. I plan on scaring some of my peers at school on Monday with the Obama Young Pioneers program he is proposing. Kids hate being told what they can and cannot do.

With that said, I would like to see Newt as RNC Chairman because he is known for being a rebel against the entrenched establishment interest. He also get results and is very, very bright.

Yes, I will forgive Newt for sitting on the loveseat with Pelosivich so long as he fixes the party and gets us winning again.

Punchenko on November 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Helping seniors pay for sky rocketing medicine, helping people in Africa deal with aids, no child left behind to help our children are these the things we are bitchin about.
So are these guys trying to say that we abandon the weakest among us so that we balance the budget.THis doesn’t make sense to me. To me the Medicare program was needed to help people who had to decide between buying there food or buying medicine, the role of a conservative led goverment should have been to get the best deal for the tax payer such as negotiating the price of drugs instead of letting the pharma industry make billions from tax payers!!

Chicostein on November 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Contract with America was a huge part of the 1994 Congressional elections. Newt and others did that as a response to Clintons leftist overreach, and offered up limited government in a common sense way, with specific goals that made sense.

Newt is a great tactician, much better than as a politician. He has enough baggage to fill a few railroad cars though.

firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Ever notice how you’ll never hear Democrats saying that they lost elections because they spent too much?
Why is that?
(And why are we so eager to beat ourselves up?)

Sarah Palin talked a lot more about cutting taxes to create jobs and stimulate the economy, while McCain kept babbling about the odd earmark.
His advocacy of tax cuts rang hollow because when he voted against the Bush tax cuts he echoed the Democrats and said that they were “for the richest 2%.”
That really hurt us.
McCain talked about nailing pork barrel spenders and “making them famous” yet he voted for the bailout bill, never mentioned that it was full of pork and refused to make the names of Frank, Dodd, Schumer, and even Obama famous.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Our party lost it’s way when it tried to compete with the Dems in buying votes.

It’s that plain.

pherrman on November 7, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Contract with America was a great move, but then the Repubs got drunk with power and lost their way. Newt, I believe, has recognized this and is trying to atone for his past sins. He should be given a chance, as his fundamental beliefs are sound.

gatorgirl on November 7, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Just being amusing…okay? However, she is probably the future leader of our party)

Then we’ll be out of power for 10 years minimum.

She’s refreshing, got the base going, but sounds like a total idiot. This is not her time.

Ares on November 7, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Oh snap this puts my worries COMPLETELY away when Obamabi released the names of his economic advisors !

Members of President-elect Obama’s Transition Economic Advisory Board, as provided by Obama’s office:

David Bonior, former Democratic congressman from Michigan
Warren Buffett, chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway
Roel Campos, former commissioner of the Securities and Exchange Commission
William Daley, former commerce secretary
William Donaldson, former chairman of the SEC
Roger Ferguson, former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve’s board of governors
Jennifer Granholm, Michigan governor
Anne Mulcahy, chairman and CEO of Xerox Corp.
Richard Parsons, chairman of the board for Time Warner Inc.
Penny Pritzker, chairman and founder of Classic Residence by Hyatt
Robert Reich, former labor secretary
Robert Rubin, former treasury secretary
Eric Schmidt, chairman and CEO of Google
Lawrence Summers, former treasury secretary
Laura Tyson, former head of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Clinton
Antonio Villaraigosa, Los Angeles mayor
Paul Volcker, former Federal Reserve chairman

William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Liberals and some recent Republicans always seem to think the only reason big government failed in the past is because they weren’t in charge or because we didn’t waste enough money on the programs.

We’ve been down this road before and the end results were not pretty.

But the media spent the past 8 years convincing us that Bush was the evil epitome of conservatism when, with the exception of foreign policy and the courts, he was not.

That is why he was unable to communicate to the American people — his message was liberal lite and just blended into the background.
David

LifeTrek on November 7, 2008 at 5:03 PM

She’s refreshing, got the base going, but sounds like a total idiot. This is not her time.

Ares on November 7, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Please post something intellegent other then slander.

Have a great Day!

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Eric Schmidt, chairman and CEO of Google

He’s already got the airwaves,looks like Obama’s planning on taking over the internet too.

gatorgirl on November 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Newt… “we needed to have a much deeper training program”.
.
And that needs to be the way forward, train “conservatives” (nix that Dems, Indies, and Repubs stuff). Train conservatives… Obviously the left is training their own. And the Indies are none-committal by nature.
.
My 7 year old granddaughter was put on the spot by her 70ish year old grandmother from the in-law side (a die-hard Dem). She asked why she had voted for McCain in the classroom election.
.
The youngin explained that she voted against Obama because he was going to raise taxes and hurt the already bad economy… (so proud).

RalphyBoy on November 7, 2008 at 5:06 PM

She’s refreshing, got the base going, but sounds like a total idiot. This is not her time.

Ares on November 7, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Excuse me?
Are you talking about Gov. Palin?
Because she’s the most eloquent, articulate and knowledgeable GOP candidate we’ve had since Ronaldus Magnus.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:08 PM

It seems to me that the problem for at least the last 8 years has been that the real, on-the-ground difference between the Liberal and Conservative brands has become so blurred as to offer the electorate no clear choice.

The task before us is to take this opportunity of a largely uncontested Liberal government to bring its principles into stark relief, while we Conservatives rediscover our focus and offer a clear choice to the Nation. Only then will the people be able to decide where to set the slider between statist and free-market approaches to governance.

It is the robust dialectical tension between the Liberal and Conservative paradigms which will move the National conversation forward. It’s about time (and hopefully not too late) that we [re-]clarified the nature of that dialectic.

Noocyte on November 7, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Don’t mind the troll. It is astroturfing for fodder and appeasement of it’s soul for electing a marxist.

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM

It’s all fine and good for Gingrich to talk about what the republicans did wrong but he’s as much to blame for it as anyone. Yes, he orchistrated the 1994 revolution. After that he abandoned the principles of the revolution, choked horribly in dealing with Clinton, and quit the Congress when people started being mean to him.

So screw Newt. I know he likes to act like a big smartypants all the time but in my book he gets a big part of the blame for where we are today for being such a poor post-revolutionary leader.

t.ferg on November 7, 2008 at 5:11 PM

I really wonder what is going to happen to this country in the coming years.

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:34 PM

It’s not the they don’t like them.

It’s that too often they are framed in a religious context. They needed to be framed as the option of choice vs control.

do you want choice in your life? or you do want someone to control your life?

people will always pick choice.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 4:39 PM

This is exactly right…I hope I’m not the only one that picked up on the brilliance of this comment.

We need to start teaching this exact concept. Any government that is strong enough to give everything to you is also strong enough to take everything from you.

We need to start asking people how much choice they’d like to have over how they live their own lives.

Chad on November 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Wilderness tip.

After spending years in the jungle I always carried folded paper towels in a back pocket. They even work wet!

patrick neid on November 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Dear Republican

Your party has lost not only the Presidency and both houses of Congress in Tuesday’s election, it has been discredited and humiliated. This is good news, because you deserved it. This is also a troubling development, because America will not like to see you weakened to the point of impotence.

Whether in power or out (especially out), the Republican Party has a critical role to play. It is the watchdog of capitalism, the promoter of an ethos of free markets and private enterprise upon which much of America’s prosperity is founded. Even people who are morally repulsed by the results of laissez-faire – those who are drawn to the egalitarian philosophy of the New Deal, for example – will not like to see this role completely undermined. We need a delicate balancing act between prosperity and justice.

The reason you are in this hole, dear Republican, is that long ago you traded in your role of market advocacy in favor of what you thought was a more assured vote winner – the culture wars and regional or class resentment. While bankrolled by and catering to the financial elite, you manufactured an ugly antipathy towards the cultural elite. Since these groups overlap to a large degree, it amounted to hacking at the very branch on which you were sitting. Ever wonder where wealth spreader Obama got so much money?

The recent financial crisis is a great illustration of how disengaged your party has become from its own economic philosophy. Faced with the crisis, a thoughtful champion of free markets should have clearly stated two things. First, it reflects not merely financial corruption or state meddling but a kind of fragility intrinsic to a market economy – a fragility arising from the fact that it is ultimately a faith based system where both boom and bust can be self fulfilling prophecies.

Second, the elements which contribute to this weakness are also the reasons for its strength! Capital mobility fosters efficiency, finances innovation and encourages economic dynamism, but it also raises the risk of bubbles, panics and deep financial contagion. You cannot have one without the other. It was your duty to remind people of this trade-off before embracing the current regulatory mania.

What did your leaders do? They gyrated between absurd denial (“fundamentals of the economy are strong”) and hilarious attempts to outdo the economic populists on the left with hollow rhetoric (“I will stop the greed on Wall Street.”) They overwhelmingly opposed every pro-market pragmatist’s preferred solution – infusion of liquidity, extension of Federal guarantees, and even arm-twisting lenders in order to jump start the stalled economic engine.

These rabble rousers never learnt Keynes’ simple lesson – a little “socialism” today often inoculates against a lot of “socialism” tomorrow. A financial system that is allowed to go into systemic collapse will only be reborn, if at all, in a regulatory prison. Capitalism is not perfect. It is enough to ague that it is better than the alternatives, especially with a bit of socialist tinkering at the right times.

It is not hard to see why your leaders flailed so cluelessly. They have become steeped in such a Manichean world view that there is no room for the notion that even the best system may be a flawed system, with the flaws intimately tied up with the strengths.

What was the point of that Joe-the-plumber gimmick and the infantile railing against “spreading the wealth”? There are at least three possible interpretations: (a) the average voter will be a net recipient rather than a net contributor under Obama’s more progressive tax proposals, so it is against his self interest to vote for the Dem ticket (b) the average voter will gain in purely economic terms, but should nevertheless morally object to such redistribution (c) redistribution will affect stuff like investment incentives, so the larger share of the pie going to the average voter will be more than offset by its shrinking size.

(a) is patently false, but (b) and (c) are arguable points. McCain was not interested in or capable of articulating them. He was more interested in obscuring the economic issues with cultural demagoguery, parading the Monty Pythonesque cartoon of a goofy Midwestern plumber worried about the quarter-million plus tax bracket! Perhaps it is difficult to underestimate the intelligence of the average voter, but McCain may just have pulled it off.

Over the years, your leaders have become inveterate bottom feeders tirelessly mining the cultural swamp for political food. They have well honed skills, but only of a certain kind. They have become skilled at stirring the pot of xenophobia, homophobia, regional chauvinism, religiosity and jingoism. They have demanded of their supporters an inordinate pride in stupidity and ignorance.

In an election dominated by economic concerns, non-partisan voters may have come to realize that the Republican stance on the economy is not so much wrong as unserious and cosmetic. Democrats did not have to put forth an appealing proposal. They only had to show up.

If the Republican Party embraces honest libertarian ideals and free markets, its sensible egalitarian opponents may want to see it defeated but not decimated. The current incarnation, which has polluted not only governance and international relations but also political dialogue, is useless whether in power or as loyal opposition.

Before you go back to your roots, decide which one to choose.

sashal on November 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Republicans always “learn” this lesson. Why doesn’t it ever stick??

I give up.

Cicero43 on November 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Power corrupts.

MattMacD on November 7, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Oh jeez…

t.ferg on November 7, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Gingrich 2012, seriously now. Time to stop messing around.

Brains on November 7, 2008 at 5:23 PM

This is the guy who engineered the 1994 landslide. I think he is up to it.

Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Yeah, Newt must not have the organizational skills then.

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Tacitus_SGL on November 7, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Before you go back to your roots, decide which one to choose.

sashal on November 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM

First and formost. I am not going liberal, anti-United States or anything I do not deem worthy via morals.

Second.. you diatribe is BORING the hell out of me.

Third.. Your damn link doesn’t work… ya moron!

I think the only bottom feeder is you and your interesting use of words that really have no meaning to them other then you are a empty person.

Have a Nice Day!

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Gulp! My first comment on Hot Air and first comment anywhwere.
I remember our previous congressman, a Republican, speaking to our local Rotary club before the last election in 2006. He ticked off a list of projects and money he had brought to the district. When he finished there was silence – and after a period he said “That’s an applause line folks.” and got a smattering of applause. He went on to try to justify why he had tried to bring so much money back from Washington and I thought that his philosophy was part of the problem Republicans had at that point.

misterdux on November 7, 2008 at 5:26 PM

We basically just saw an election between a conservative Democrat with a Republican VP, and a foreign, radical American hating socialist (Fidel and Natalie Cole’s
luv child) with a village idiot VP.

Republicans are afraid of being honest because they grab on too tight to the perks and power. They want to please every body and have a lifetime ride. It’s tough to tell it honest and think you will get elected over the standard Democratic way to power…..lies, and chumps that believe them.

What Republicans need to do is educate. The chumps are getting their paradigm from cartoons, movies and sitcoms pushing progressive talking points.

Hening on November 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Its why the western states are slowly going Democratic. Many people in the west are suspicious of people who try to frame everything in terms of religion, or tell them out to live, and many of the Republican candidates out here, especially ones that lost, make religion a central part of their politican campaigns.

So you ended up with Moderates and Libertarians voting Dem, and typically they voted before for national Republican candidates in previous elections.

Getting back to small government is the only way to stop the west from going Democrat. Making religion part of the political platform and social moral laws, is only going to hasten the west going Democrat.

firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Too little. Too late.

It’s dead, Jim.

Joan of Argghh on November 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

In an election dominated by economic concerns, non-partisan voters may have come to realize that the Republican stance on the economy is not so much wrong as unserious and cosmetic. Democrats did not have to put forth an appealing proposal. They only had to show up.

sashal on November 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Non-partisan voters voted for the Democrat (That One) because he was the cool black guy who they attributed with skills he doesn’t possess to “handle” the economy.
President Bush did his job too well: not only were the changes he made, particularly with his tax cuts, not only not “unserious and cosmetic” but they brought about a level of prosperity so strong that even with the sub-prime crisis has allowed most of us to weather the storm quite comfortably.
Many voters aren’t old enough to remember what the economy was like under Jimmy Carter, but they’re about to get a refresher course under the newly elected President O.

Nice try but no cigar on discrediting the GOP and Conservatives.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:34 PM

NEWT GINGRICH for Chairman of the Republican National Party

Jdripper on November 7, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Too little. Too late.

It’s dead, Jim.

Joan of Argghh on November 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

No, Conservatism and the GOP are very much alive.
Obama didn’t get a landslide and 57 million of us pulled the (R) lever and we’re very much alive.
Hide and watch–you’re going to hear from us when President O.J. tries to screw up our country.
Conservative ideals are the ones embodied in the founding of this great republic and the Bill of Rights and the Constitution; if those ideals die, America dies.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Only one probelm. Most People (younger) whom are liberal or moderate or whatever in this day and age, do NOT like conservative values.

upinak on November 7, 2008 at 4:34 PM

I disagree. Young people like conservative values like low taxes, limited govt (limited not non-existent), etc. The catch is, if those values are presented as “conservative” then they run for the hills.

Remember O’Bambi ran on a platform of cutting taxes for 95% of people. Yes we all know he will raise taxes on 95%, but that’s a different discussion. Point is he didn’t run on raising taxes, he ran on cutting taxes. And that means something.

angryed on November 7, 2008 at 5:39 PM

NEWT GINGRICH for Chairman of the Republican National Party

Nay. When his campaign for President begins, his policy work with American Solutions and Center for Health Transformation will be more valuable than the RNC position. He didn’t run in 2008 because it would prevent him from keeping his post at American Solutions, why would he leave that to be the RNC chair?

Brains on November 7, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Its why the western states are slowly going Democratic. Many people in the west are suspicious of people who try to frame everything in terms of religion, or tell them out to live, and many of the Republican candidates out here, especially ones that lost, make religion a central part of their politican campaigns.

firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Really?
Then how do you explain why Prop. 8 passed in CA?

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:41 PM

firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

that’s why the GOP needs to frame everything as choice vs control.

I totally agree with you. I hate being preached to by the right or the left.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Yes we all know he will raise taxes on 95%, but that’s a different discussion. Point is he didn’t run on raising taxes, he ran on cutting taxes. And that means something.

angryed on November 7, 2008 at 5:39 PM

It means that he lied.
And 63 million Americans bought it.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Prop 8 is from California, not western states like Montana, Colorado, New Mexico, Idaho, which have very libertarian type views on politics. California is not that mindset at all, never really has been either.

California has been a mostly Democratic state for some time, so its not entirely germane to what I was talking about. Coastal areas in CA are entirely different politically than places like Boise Idaho, or Missoula Montana, or Denver Colorado.

However, if you want to know why Prop 8 passed? Actually Black and Hispanic minorites voted for Prop 8 overwhelmingly, and most are neither Republican or small government.

firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 5:46 PM

so its not entirely germane to what I was talking about.
firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 5:46 PM

God knows what would be germane to “what you were talking about…”
Do you even know?
Doubtful.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Over the years, your leaders have become inveterate bottom feeders tirelessly mining the cultural swamp for political food. They have well honed skills, but only of a certain kind. They have become skilled at stirring the pot of xenophobia, homophobia, regional chauvinism, religiosity and jingoism. They have demanded of their supporters an inordinate pride in stupidity and ignorance.

In an election dominated by economic concerns, non-partisan voters may have come to realize that the Republican stance on the economy is not so much wrong as unserious and cosmetic. Democrats did not have to put forth an appealing proposal. They only had to show up.

……. The current incarnation, which has polluted not only governance and international relations but also political dialogue, is useless whether in power or as loyal opposition.

sashal

You had a great piece sashal until you went off the rails with standard partisan tripe as shown in the above quotes. Change a word or a group and you have the standard Dem twaddle of the last 30 years.

To repeat the Repubs deserve the outback because they became faux Dems in word and deed. The electorate wants their criminals to have honor. The road back is fiscal responsibility and small effective government even if it means your career.

patrick neid on November 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

It means that he lied.
And 63 million Americans bought it.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:46 PM

No it means that he knew that if he ran on raising taxes he’d probably lose. He knew that the American population wants tax cuts and he told them he would give them tax cuts.

Now whether or not he lied is debatable. I think most here believe he lied, I sure as hell do. That’s not the point I was trying to make.

angryed on November 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Coastal areas in CA are entirely different politically than places like Boise Idaho, or Missoula Montana, or Denver Colorado.

Have you been to Missoula? It’s not quite Berkeley, but it’s pretty damn close.

angryed on November 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM

He knew that the American population wants tax cuts and he told them he would give them tax cuts.

Now whether or not he lied is debatable. I think most here believe he lied, I sure as hell do. That’s not the point I was trying to make.

angryed on November 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Of course he lied.
Why do you think he had his minions destroy Joe the Plumber?
Joe–God bless him!–exposed his real intent which was to jack taxes up sky high.
I can’t fathom what your point actually was unless it was that candidates should lie about what they’ll really do if elected.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 5:58 PM

I wish these two would run for Gov somewhere!

JellyToast on November 7, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Gingrich at least. I’m curious how he’d do as an executive. I dont think he could ever be president, but governor? I’d love it.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2008 at 6:10 PM

It’s never been a revenue problem. The revenue in Mr. Bush’s term(s) came from the time tested axiom that a tax cut yields MORE $$$ to the government. Both Dems and Repubs in Congress loved the $$. Dems hid the value of the tax cuts; Repubs thought nobody like us would notice what they were doing. How wrong they were.

It’s ALWAYS been Congress’ spending addiction.

I always thought that conservatives could win by telling the public that we will FREEZE spending at current levels, with NO inflation adjustment. In other words, public, you are, for the most part, living within your means and now government will also.

Of course we all remember that a 6% increase in a program was a CUT per the Dems. How sad!!

dragonash on November 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Jenfidel,

Ok for the 3rd time:

He campaigned on a promise to cut taxes. Got that part?

He may very well not keep that promise? Got that part?

But the fact he campaigned on the notion of cutting taxes as OPPOSED TOraising taxes (still with me) shows he believes that people want tax cuts.

Hanging in there?

Whether or not he means it or what Joe the Plumber did or didn’t do is irrelevant.

angryed on November 7, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Yeah I have been to Missoula, actually I flew smokejumpers this year. Missoula does have a “liberal” element due to the university there, undoubtedly. Not everyone in Missoula is liberal, however you are seeing Montana go more and more Democratic. They even have a Democratic senator there now.

There is no need to try to be condescending Jenfidel if you do not know what I am talking about. The Western states (states like Nevada, Montana, Idaho, Colorado, etc) have been reliably Republican in the past, but they are tilting more and more towards the Democrats.

Most people out here like their independence and to live how they want, even one that are more religious. Granted you also do have a belt between Boise and Salt Lake that is very LDS and is fine with putting their beliefs into law, but that is the exception.

Its like those who call themselves “South Park Republicans”, they are for limited government, strong defense, and low taxes. That is a prevailing mindset out here, however many Republicans have gotten away from that.

firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Still don’t really follow your nuance.
You’re either sanctioning his lies or the fact that he counts on the fact that a good deal of the American electorate is stupid/easily led/hears what they want to hear.
Duh.
I’m convinced the man could have slaughtered a puppy on live TV, said absolutely nothing about taxes and still gotten elected.
63 million Americans wanted to elect the “nice” (half) black man and they did.

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 6:20 PM

And both of this guys are responsible in a large part for it. Dick was a snot-nosed economics prof while I was the County Chair; he ran on a flat tax platform. He was good for a couple of years, but quickly became like ‘most Republicans’ (That based on a direct quote for Dick in class: “Why am I a Republican? Because, while most Republicans are a–holes, ALL Democrats are a–holes.”)

He was second in the House for many years and did nothing to simplify the tax code.

These two were part of the problem; we need people like Sanford, DeMint and Flake who are interested in the solution, running things.

michaelo on November 7, 2008 at 6:20 PM

I dont think he could ever be president

Why? I’m not getting this. If there is anybody alive that could make a Lincoln level President it is Newt. Have you looked into his work with American Solutions?

Brains on November 7, 2008 at 6:24 PM

These two are the epitome of the kind of smart, tough, courageous, single minded conservative people we need leading the Republican Party. They know how to get tough, stay tough, stay on target and win.

rplat on November 7, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Newt is unfortunately unelectable. He has way too much baggage. Just the fact that he served divorce papers on a cancer striken hospitalized wife, and that he had an affair going on, the whole time while he was criticizing Clinton for his, would keep him from being elected no matter how good his ideas are.

firepilot on November 7, 2008 at 6:29 PM

We need to promote those things that have universal appeal, like self-determination.

Let’s focus on the inarguable, and leave arguable behind for a while.

Once people rally around liberty, then we’ll have the numbers to influence the rest.

beatcanvas on November 7, 2008 at 6:33 PM

The Media will keel-haul anything labeled, “Republican”.

The huge fear of having a Dem majority along with a Dem President have been realized. So no more “boo” tactics from our Republican leaders.

Vote them all out on their ass and start over.

Stop propping it up.

Joan of Argghh on November 7, 2008 at 6:35 PM

We need to promote those things that have universal appeal, like self-determination.

Let’s focus on the inarguable, and leave arguable behind for a while.

Once people rally around liberty, then we’ll have the numbers to influence the rest.

beatcanvas on November 7, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Indeed.
If Obama’s as bad a President as I think he’s going to be, all the GOP candidate in 2012 will have to do will be like Reagan did in 1980 and ask, “Are you better off?”
And the rest will be history.
(This, of course, presupposes that President Obama hasn’t changed or tossed out the Constitution and cancelled all further elections.)

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Stop propping it up.

Joan of Argghh on November 7, 2008 at 6:35 PM

I will never stop propping Conservatism up.
“From my cold, dead hands!”
And stop pushing your lousy blog!

Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 6:39 PM

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