No mandate?
posted at 8:35 am on November 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Robert Novak tries to make an argument that Barack Obama’s victory yesterday did not amount to a mandate, the somewhat illusory concept that Americans debate every four years after the elections conclude. Novak insists that Obama didn’t win enough states and the Democrats didn’t win enough seats in Congress to declare a mandate:
When Franklin D. Roosevelt won his second term for president in 1936, the defeated Republican candidate, Gov. Alf Landon of Kansas, won only two states, Maine and Vermont, and Democrats controlled both houses of Congress by wide margins.
But Obama’s win was nothing like that. He may have opened the door to enactment of the long-deferred liberal agenda, but he neither received a broad mandate from the public nor the needed large congressional majorities.
The Democrats fell several votes short of the 60-vote filibuster-proof Senate that they were seeking and also failed to get rid of a key Senate target: Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
In the first place, talk of “mandates” is, and always has been, irrelevant. What matters is whether the winning candidate has enough votes to move most of their agenda through Congress — and Obama clearly does. He may not have enough votes in the Senate to keep Republicans from blocking everything, but he has enough for all but the most radical measures to pass.
Besides, as Jazz Shaw points out, Novak declared 2004 a “mandate” for George Bush. In that election, Bush won fewer states, had a narrower popular-vote margin, and got a smaller Senate majority than the Democrats won last night. Obama broke through the red/blue line that had dominated national politics over the past eight years. If we’re talking mandates, that seems pretty clear.
But as I said, the argument about mandates is pointless. All presidents have mandates — to pursue the policies that won them election. Winning the election gives them that ability. Whether they succeed is another matter entirely.
Addendum: Right or wrong, it’s good to hear from Novak, and we wish him well in his fight against brain cancer.










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The only mandate GW Bush had was to keep fighting the war.
roux on November 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM
No disagreement there, Capt’n. But what policies exactly did Obama enumerate? Hard to have a mandate for something that the candidate did his best NOT to discuss.
HobbesDFW on November 6, 2008 at 10:05 AM
the battle cry my dear…as usual w/you, a direct hit & no nicey-nicey. I, for one, will not welcome a thief into my house after he robs my HomeLand blind. for-fkng-get it.
lobosan5 on November 6, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Very good post, but McCotter for example has been trying to lead. The problem with McCotter is delivery. Have you ever seen him speak?
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely Love Thaddeus McCotter, but he doesn’t have the character to be the kind of person you’re talking about. That is what made Governor Palin so electrifying to people who don’t normally care about politics. I think we need to find those of her character in the party and team them up with the conservative intellectuals like Thad McCotter. Thats the winner.
Marine_Bio on November 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM
He has a mandate to give 95% of people a tax cut, lower energy costs, not touch the 2nd amendment, bring us all together, pay for our gas and mortgages, change the world and you get my point. Obama set expectations so high he has no where to go but down. The Idiot did it to himself and I am going to sit back and enjoy the fall.
Howcome on November 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM
I stole a link from ‘Marlowecan’ at Jazz Shaw’s blog.
From 6-7-1981 Does Reagan have a mandate?
abinitioadinfinitum on November 6, 2008 at 10:13 AM
One thing I have learned is the sure way to screw somebody is to do exactly what they ask. If BO wants to pull out of Iraq immediately, all the Republicans should vote “Present”. If he wants to raise taxes, the Republicans should all vote “Present”. If he wants to outlaw off-shore drilling, the Republicans should all vote “Present”. Let him get his way on everything, see how the economy and the country look in four years, and get ready for a massive change in administration
DuctTapeMyBrain on November 6, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Ok, the NYT libs didn’t think 1980 was a mandate. If you look at the maps of 1980 and 1984, its pretty stunning. 489 followed by 525 electoral votes is a massive proportion.
1980
1984
Simple evidence can be ignored at will, and willful ignorance abounds.
Marine_Bio on November 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Today’s WSJ Opinion Journal has a commentary re some of the “feudal lords” of Congress who plan to use their positions of power to impose their own mandates on BHO. The point of the piece is that presidents may come and go, but the real whips of change are found in our entrenched members of Congress. What these old warhorses have planned is not necessarily in the interest of BHO’s agenda (if he is indeed being conciliatory) nor that of the nation.
Chuck Schumer–banking expansion via nationalization
George Miller– 401Ks and other private retirement plans
John Conyers– indictment of Bush for war crimes
Henry Waxman– usurping chair of Energy and Commerce to impose more stringent anti-global-warming legislation
Pete Stark– expansion of federal TARPs
Is BHO strong enough to rein in these ambitions, or will he simply be a pawn in this power play, agreeing to legislation that he approves of?
The article is very disturbing in its implications. We must remind congressional members of the loyal opposition to eliminate or reduce the damage that will be wrought by these power-mad Dems.
onlineanalyst on November 6, 2008 at 10:28 AM
So how about we storm the cockpit, take over the controls, and if we can’t land the plane safely, crash it into the South Side of Chicago.
Let’s roll!
Sorry Carbon, that analogy was just too good to resist!
EnglishMike on November 6, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Ummm…………………..yes?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGughTC4W5k
lobosan5 on November 6, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Marine_Bio on November 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Holy Crap! Now those were LANDSLIDES!
misslizzi on November 6, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Yes, I think that was Mr. Marlowecan‘s point.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM
The difference is that people knew what the hell Bush stood for when they reelected him. Most people only voted for Obama because he was cool and calm and black.
Speedwagon82 on November 6, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Well, there’s the rub. Aside from skin color, what “policy” did Obama run for? Basically, a completely inarticulate description of CHANGE. In other words: whatever the holy living Hell he decides to do from one moment to the next.
Some self-proclaimed conservative commentators say that’s not a problem. They’re counting on the wise old heads in Congress to “pull Obama to the right” – away from his radical leftist roots.
Yeah, good luck with that.
logis on November 6, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Ah, now that makes sense. I don’t frequent the moderate voice, and mistook the post for something else. (i.e. you were making some arguement against)
Thanks.
Marine_Bio on November 6, 2008 at 10:45 AM
I can’t view Youtube on this machine, but what I was trying to say about McCotter is that he doesn’t have the same kind of
appeal. That is a God given quality, that you just can’t learn.
That being said, as a conservative, he is absolutely Hilarious. Particularly when he goes down the “Learning to Speak Democrat” lesson.
It just doesn’t appeal to those in the middle who are easily swayed by an attractive persona. That’s what swayed so many towards Obama, and is the same thing that swayed even more towards Reagan. The difference is genuine substance. Reagan had it, Obama does not.
Marine_Bio on November 6, 2008 at 10:51 AM
I don’t usually visit there either but I thought I would follow Ed’s link and see what Jazz had to say, since Jazz is the moderator in the Ed Morrissey Show and a pretty nice guy (for a Dem/ha)
abinitioadinfinitum on November 6, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Doh, I hit the wrong button. Should have previewed it.
broad
Marine_Bio on November 6, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Best wishes to Mr. Novak, but this is a lame take to come back with. A 2 to 1 margin in the electoral college is a thumping, particularly given the last few presidential elections.
okonkolo on November 6, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Make that a BUS, c_f.
From the back seat to driving off the cliff in two short generations.
***sigh***
seejanemom on November 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM
All that “51% is not a mandate” stuff was just garbage dredged up by lefties out of their Bush Derangment Syndrone. They had no problem with Bill Clinton, whose best was 49%, implementing his agenda. The Constitution nowhere relates the president’s powers and duties to his margin of victory, either popular or electoral.
Bigfoot on November 6, 2008 at 11:37 AM
I think you can make the argument that the mandate Bush has in 2000 (with the numbers he got) was not the same as the one Barack got in 2008.
I think not that not all mandates have the same strength.
mycowardice on November 6, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Howcome
“The Idiot did it to himself and I am going to sit back and enjoy the fall”
Good point! I can almost hear it starting that rumble
Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we Can! Yes we Can!
Yes we Can!Where’s my check! Where’s my check! Where’s my check! Where’s my check!
Where’s my check!
DSchoen on November 6, 2008 at 12:55 PM
This just in… from a press conference:
“Vice-President-elect Biden, there are some who have suggested that you and Obama now have a mandate. any comment?”
“Oh lord no. Look, Obama is a happily married man, and is only interested in women. He would never want to go on any man dates. That’s ridiculous.”
(sorry, couldn’t resist).
A.W. on November 6, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Chris Matthews volunteers to be BO’s mandate.
Corsair on November 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
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